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I just saw on the news today that a drunk driver lost controll of his vehicle. He smashed into a bus stop and killed a todler here in vegas. This is a very senseless loss of an inocent life.
         I urge my fellow furs, if yopu must drink for the love all that is life do not drive. I know this is every where and it is none of my business, but I have to say something. It would really suck to hear one of my fellow furs were lost because they were driving drunk. Thats all I have to say.  *closes his eyes and sends out yet another of too many prayers*


Raust-00gryphon

human stupidity is very general im afraid to say.
there is like 50% of the drunk people feels that stupid by the alcohol that they get like mules and will try at all costs to drive by their own, wich means there will be a 50% probability they will crash. -_-

A good friend of mine disappeared off the net a couple years ago, after their sweety got killed by a drunk driver.  After losing two people to one dumb person's actions, I have become entirely against drunk drivers, perhaps violently so.  When I was still in school, I tried on several occasions (was held back by others) to blindly attack people in school who I knew had done that sort of thing that day or the previous night.
I don't like alcohol for the most part, but my mate enjoys knocking back a few now and again.  I'm just glad he's got more sense than to get on the road if he has too much.
I'm sorry that little toddler had to be the victim of a total buttface, and I hope that driver gets ever-so-slowly-crushed-by-a-hydraulic-press.

I have a friend who had come back from Iraq (he was in the marines) and was driving to see his father in AZ when he crashed into a semi due to a DUI. Brilliant guy, I couldn't believe he had done something so reckless. Right now he's in a coma, paralyzed from the neck down, and as it is they aren't sure how much longer he's going to last. What really sucks though is that in many instances, the person who is drunk isn't the one who gets badly hurt in crashes. Something about being more relaxed and less able to respond quickly, so the ones who end up paying the higher price are the ones who were actually doing the right thing and driving sober.

I am the sister if a convicted drunk driver. I love my brother dearly but still was very disappointed to see him get only 1 yrs in house for hitting that couple. Thank the heavens no one was killed but it was still very bad. Had they not been in such a caddy the one if not both would have been killed.
  Not only do we need people to be responsible when they drink but tougher punishments for them.

I've never understood why anyone would drink alcohol in the first place. Seems like a remarkably stupid thing to do.

*Shakes head* The thing about alcohol is that for most it is a social thing.... and thus they have to drive to egt to their favorite bar. To most, drinking at home would defeat the prpose. Even so though, they still should have a  designated driver or even a taxi. *Sighs and bows head for the lost*

I'm sorry to hear about the loss of the infant, Raust. What a tragic loss. *bows head*

This is not my opinion, but someone once told me long ago that the ultimate punishment for drunk drivers would be to use them as crash test dummies. Poetic justice, don't you think?

*Shakes his head sadly*  Being killed by a drunk driver is a senseless tragedy.  

I agree with Savaaha that punishment for drunk driving should be tougher.  America seems to let people of easy for anything that can be deemed a "negligent" accident in a car.  I'm a motorcyclist and you often read about a motorcyclist getting killed and the person who hit them getting nothing more than a slap at the wrist.  

We love our cars too much and I think we also view harsh laws for accidents as infringing on personal freedoms.  It's not just an "accident" when someone hits another person while driving drunk.  It's a serious crime that shows a lack of respect for others in society.  With freedom comes responsibility and if you can't handle that responsibility, then that freedom should be taken away from you.

Many countries consider having any acohol in your system as driving under the influence.  Perhaps there is something we can learn from these countries?

We don't need tougher laws, we need tougher sentencing. One offence, loss of license for at least a year. Cause a wreck, loss of license for life.
 As someone who used to drink and drive the threat of arrest doesn't faze you. What sobered me up was making a 200 mile round trip in under 2 hours (you do the math) making stops for beer. When I realized the next morning that I couldn't remember 1/3 the trip I quit then and there. That was the turning point for me and for my buddy also. His wife became our DD from then on. Been over 10 years now and I won't drive after even one beer.
 When I hear of someone dying (and I've lost a few friends to drunk drivers, tho none from driving drunk) I push for stiffer sentencing and zero tolerance in the courts.

*pray's for all innocent life lost in senceless tragity*

I am a firm believer in that we all get what we diserve in the end.  I'll get mine, the drunk driver will get his.

IMO, one of our biggest problems with drinking and driving is that we make drinking a rite of passage into adulthood by setting a drinking age of 21.  If parents would introduce their children to responsible alcohol use as they grow up vs. learn from your peers at age 21 (usually earlier) I think we would have less problems.  

Also for those that drink and drive they should get rehab and public service on first offence and severe punishment on subsequent offences.

When I was a sophomore in high school the graduating class had their pre-graduation parties the weekend before.  That night 2 cars met in a curve.  One was full of drunks leaving the party, the second was full of drunks headed to the party.  Both were exceeding the posted limit of 50 mph.  My sisters graduating class lost their Valedictorian, star quarterback of the football team and 5 other classmates that night.  The lone survivor lost one leg and spent months in the hospital.  Needless to say that graduation was not the happy event usually held each year.

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I just saw on the news today that a drunk driver lost controll of his vehicle. He smashed into a bus stop and killed a todler here in vegas. This is a very senseless loss of an inocent life.          I urge my fellow furs, if yopu must drink for the love all that is life do not drive. I know this is every where and it is none of my business, but I have to say something. It would really suck to hear one of my fellow furs were lost because they were driving drunk. Thats all I have to say.  *closes his eyes and sends out yet another of too many prayers* Raust-00gryphon

It is your business, you are the sober one driving with those assholes on the road, and they are a risk to you.

drinking sucks, got drunk like twice maybe 3 times in my life, never again i've dun some pretty stupid things wen im drunk, thank god i dont know how to drive yet. my thoughts go out to the family of the toddler. BOO ALCOHOL!

**sighs** my mate's family has had a history of drunk driving accidents (His dad lost his twin brother that way).

Not all accidents are caused by intoxication, some are just caused by Stupidity.  Last year, here in Bay City, a bus driver ran over a woman standing on a curb while her child was on the bus. '>

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Quote (raging gryphon @ May 03 2004, 10:20 pm) I just saw on the news today that a drunk driver lost controll of his vehicle. He smashed into a bus stop and killed a todler here in vegas. This is a very senseless loss of an inocent life.         I urge my fellow furs, if yopu must drink for the love all that is life do not drive. I know this is every where and it is none of my business, but I have to say something. It would really suck to hear one of my fellow furs were lost because they were driving drunk. Thats all I have to say.  *closes his eyes and sends out yet another of too many prayers* Raust-00gryphon It is your business, you are the sober one driving with those assholes on the road, and they are a risk to you.

           I did not mean to say I don't feel it is my business though it is easy to take it that way. What I meant is I know people will tell me it's none of my business, but as you can see i said it any way.


Raust-00gryphon

Driving while intoxicated in ANY way is beyond the pail, as far as I'm concerned. Earlier this year right near my house, we had something like nine people killed by a drunk driver. There was a car breakdown, and several good samaritans stopped and stepped out of their cars to assist the person. The drunk driver plowed through all of their unprotected bodies, killing them all before his dull senses could even tell him that he should STOP.

*shudder* I do drink, but I am extremely choosy and contientious about where I do so.

I know all to well how drunk humans can get and how they are when they get drunk. My mom's side of the family is always drunk. They get loud and annoying and they always fight. So I have taken it upon myself to never pick up a drink for the rest of my life. Not to mention that they are all diabetic and are basically killing themselves. I'll stick to plain old diet coke.........it suits me fine!!!

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I am against alcohol. When I used to work for temp agencies, key data entry, I was placed at an alcohol dispatch office. I didn't have anything to do with the actual alcohol but I did try my best to work there. I did my 2 weeks and then when they called the agency to have me come back in since they liked my work, I told my supervisor that I couldn't in good faith work there. I just couldn't fill orders that I knew would be going out to local stores for people to buy. She said that was ok. She understood and I never went back to that particular job.

I have also had years of bad experience with alcholics so that is the main reason I am against drinking.

Sporty Fox Posted: May 04 2004, 9:49 am

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We don't need tougher laws, we need tougher sentencing. One offence, loss of license for at least a year. Cause a wreck, loss of license for life.

The problem here is that too many of them don't care if they lose their license. They just go out and still drive drunk with out a legal license. Doens't do much good taking them away.

They need to go to something like AAA and also see videos of what drunk driving can do to a person/anything when they are sober, or at least know what they are watching. Let it be the most vile thing they could imagine. Also, show them faces, with names, of those that died because of people like 'him/her' because they just had to get behind the wheel while having alcohol in their system.

When I would take a drivers test, I always got only the alcohol related questions wrong. I don't drink. So, I have troubles knowing/remembering how much alcohol in the system is considered DUI.

I had a younger brother, he would have been 18 that year, that decided to go out and get MORE beer on his motorcycle while he was drunk and went to pass a car and hit head on into oncoming traffic. Lucky for him, he died instantly. But still, such a loss at such a young age.

As for teaching children the responsible way to drink, I don't think really matters. I always taught my son what could happen if he drank and he also grew up with me knowing how I felt about alcohol. He turned 16, moved out on his own, and drank. So, no matter how much a parent tries to install in their child about drinking and driving or just plain drinking, when they are on their own, they will do what they want to do. Period.

Everytime I hear about a drunk driver killing someone, my immediate response is to urge execution.  However, that drunk has family and friends too, he/she isn't just a faceless murderer.
     I do believe they ought to be charged with 1st degree murder, though.  Getting drunk, and climbing in your car is just as premeditated in my eyes as loading a gun and waiting for someone in a parking lot.
     And for nipping the problem in the bud, *any* DUI should lose his license and have to go through a *ton* of work to get it back, including AA meetings, probation, traffic classes, etc.  His license number should go on a police watch list, to assure he's pulled over if he's caught driving without that license.
      I do believe in 'Do what you like, so long as you aren't hurting anyone.'  Go ahead and drink.  You have a right to destroy your own liver and act like a jerk, or drink lightly to help you relax at parties, whatever.  But the second you put your key in the ignition when you're intoxicated.....

I'm so sorry for all of you who have convicted relatives, or know people killed in this fashion.  Car wrecks are one of the most senseless ways to die, and everytime I see one, I wish we didn't have to rocket around in these deathtraps.

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Sporty Fox Posted: May 04 2004, 9:49 am Quote We don't need tougher laws, we need tougher sentencing. One offence, loss of license for at least a year. Cause a wreck, loss of license for life. The problem here is that too many of them don't care if they lose their license. They just go out and still drive drunk with out a legal license. Doens't do much good taking them away.

You're absolutely right Kada-Ru, repeat offenders don't care that they have no license. What I should have added was at least 6 months jail time for 1st offender that aren't in an accident. Currently most get 2 weekends in jail and 2 months of weekend community service. Cause a wreck (no deaths) 1 year jailtime min, a death 10 year min jailtime.
 Also you currently don't have to have a license to own and register an auto, anyone convicted of DUI or DWI should lose that privalege also. One thing most drunks (or anyone without a license) won't do is drive a vehicle without tags, since that will guaranty the cops stopping you.
  Like I said tho, threat of arrest never stopped me. I even went thru a roadcheck towing a boat once and got pulled over and ticketed for speeding both while drunk and never was even suspected of drinking. But the threat of jailtime made a difference and made me think twice after they passed tougher sentencing guidelines in Va.
 A coworkers boyfriend just totaled his Envoy, he was so drunk he drove past thier driveway without realising it and wrecked a mile down the road. Thankfully he didn't hit anyone, but the worst part is he was on his way home to watch the kids while she went to work. He is a repeat offender and even had a breathalizer on the ignition, he just found someone else to blow into it to start the truck. SR22 insurance doesn't cover the truck since he was drunk so the bank is holding him responsable for the 30 grand still owed.
 Sorry to hear of your brother, there's a group  called Third Traditions that is AAA for motorcyclist now.
 I know I've rambled on here but I have very strong feelings on this and really don't want to see others be as stupid as I was. I was one of the lucky ones that I never hurt anyone and feel that if I can stop even one other person from doing this then maybe it will help. One of the biggest problems are the enablers who let others drive drunk, everyone please never do this!

Even further saddening news to give... Another child, 8 years old this time, was struck by a suspected drunk driver whil playing in her neighborhood. The little girl is in bad shape and still is not concious. To add insult to injury, a drunken pedestrian stumbled into the way of a taxi and was struck later the same evening. He is in good shape, Authorities say his drunken state saved his life as well as saving him from serious injury.
          If you'll excuse me, I must go vomit with that news.



Raust-00gryphon

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I consider myself blessed in the fact that I can't stand the taste of alcohol.

The one time I did plan to go out drinking with a friend, it was her 21st, and we planned to go to the restaurant (I took her out to dinner), get the Daquiri's first, eat dinner (no alcohol past for me past the first one), and then walk to the Mini Golf place.  We planned it so that I would not have to drive for 3 hours after that one drink.
Even so, I barely had a sip because it was made too strong.  

I'm well known by all of my friends as willing to be a DD.  Of course, I'm also the "DD with a camera."  Hey, if you're gonna make a fool of yourself, I'm gonna make sure you never live it down!

My personal view is that drinking to enjoy the drink is fine.  Drinking to get drunk is stupid.  
I really hate hearing/seeing the other college girls on campus when they've come back absolutely smashed.  I don't see a reason for it and to me it's nothing more than a great disrespect to yourself.

The most you'll ever get into me is maybe 2 drinks, but they've got to be very light mixed drinks (Daquiri's or Mudslides) and it will be a very long while before I'll even touch my keys.

Any party I throw that includes alcohol is going to have a locked safe for car keys- all keys, drunk or sober, including spares.  The only person with the combination is going to be whoever's least likely to get swayed by friends and is not drinking.  And if someone tries to drive drunk, I'll send someone out to snitch their spark plug or battery, and then crack them on the head with one of my walking staves.  

And I would also like to see the punishments for drunk driving increased.

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I just saw on the news today that a drunk driver lost controll of his vehicle. He smashed into a bus stop and killed a todler here in vegas. This is a very senseless loss of an inocent life.          I urge my fellow furs, if yopu must drink for the love all that is life do not drive. I know this is every where and it is none of my business, but I have to say something. It would really suck to hear one of my fellow furs were lost because they were driving drunk. Thats all I have to say.  *closes his eyes and sends out yet another of too many prayers* Raust-00gryphon

Same thing happened here in Orlando some time ago, only it was cell-phone related I think...

seems too many people die because of bad driving in general, drunk-driving especialy, red-light running, or just not paying attention  '> Sigh, I'm not the best driver either too...

*whacks Dragonfox with a rolled-up newspaper*

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