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« on: August 03, 2012, 02:44:10 PM » |
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I know there are only two who joined last week but I am wondering could Furry become a Gateway to the wider fury fandom. I think Brony fandom has the ability adapt themselves to other fandoms, I noted Brony discussion in furry and anime fandoms. In way I think MLP has shattered the Geek Hierarchy.
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« Reply #1 on: August 03, 2012, 03:17:39 PM » |
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Uhm... No I don't think so.
OC's will remain with bronies and Fursonas will be for furries. There are a few cross overs. like Me... But Power Surge is not the same as Ambroise. he's just my pony image.
I think the bonies are just a little blip in fandoms. when MLP:FIM is canned. the bronies will go bye bye and find something else to fandomise
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« Reply #2 on: August 03, 2012, 03:52:28 PM » |
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I know there are only two who joined last week but I am wondering could Furry become a Gateway to the wider fury fandom. I think Brony fandom has the ability adapt themselves to other fandoms, I noted Brony discussion in furry and anime fandoms. In way I think MLP has shattered the Geek Hierarchy.
I actually think it could be. Especially since, from what I've heard, there have been a handful of MLP Cons with panels about the Furry and Brony interaction/comparison (including the one Shim may be planning). I think a lot of it comes down to what the specific person is looking for. If they're drawn to the show because it's cute, I could easily see the person crossing over between the two fandoms. If they watch it because of the technical points about the production of the show itself (one of the main reasons it all even started), I can see them not caring to move over. The gray zone for me is the group who just likes the MLP fandom for the community itself. If the fandom dissolves, the people who are still interested in that sort of community feel might well wander into the furry community and call it home.
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« Reply #3 on: August 03, 2012, 07:41:19 PM » |
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« Reply #4 on: August 03, 2012, 11:16:42 PM » |
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I'm pretty sure anything anthropomorphic could be. I wouldn't say so as a general rule though if that's what you meant.
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« Reply #5 on: August 04, 2012, 12:43:53 AM » |
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Brony may not convince people to join the furry fandom, but it might help them to understand it more. I mean, the Brony fandom is almost as conventional as the furry fandom.  After realizing Brony, they might be more accepting of the furry fandom as well.
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« Reply #6 on: August 04, 2012, 01:27:33 AM » |
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I'm honestly considering it joining this fandom, I have seen others who are very against furries. I don't understand why they feel that way as Brony and furry are the same, they just like different things. Also I have a feeling the Brony fandom is gonna stay around for a while, like trekkies. It's definatly gonna die down when the show ends, but I know I'm still gonna consider myself a Brony till I die. MLP has affected my life in too many positive ways to let it slip out of my memory.
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« Reply #7 on: August 04, 2012, 02:48:14 AM » |
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Anytime there is significant crossover in two communities there's a gateway. Will everyone in both communities go through it? of course not. But there's a LOT of exposure and there's usually only overlaps if there are common elements that apeal to both.
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« Reply #8 on: August 04, 2012, 09:09:51 AM » |
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Well, one thing I've noticed is that many bronies try to stay as far away from furry as possible. "You're the guys with the prons, right? Eww, we don't want any part of that."
To which I respond: "You're watching a TV show for little girls about flying, singing, magical candy-colored horses and you're telling me it has not even remotely the same as furry? Really?"
Then they talk about how unfair it is that Howard Stern did that thing where he interviewed a lot of people but only showed the ones where people say yes, they're into the gross things. That's when I come in and say "Media talking badly about us but there's no way to prove it because they have 'reliable' sources? Sound familiar?"
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« Reply #9 on: August 04, 2012, 09:52:57 AM » |
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Well, one thing I've noticed is that many bronies try to stay as far away from furry as possible. "You're the guys with the prons, right? Eww, we don't want any part of that."
It's kind of an odd relationship, from what I've seen. Bronies don't seem to mind that furries are part of their fandom. It's more that they don't want to see or believe the similarities and crossover between the two fandoms? Even though it's no different than, say, the furries who are heavily into The Lion King, for example. In fact, at one of the MLP meetups I went to around here, 4 of the 7 who were there were also furs (myself included). There was actually a fair bit of conversation about furry stuff (specifically cons), and even the non-furs were involved in the conversation. I find it a tad funny, actually. I often sit in on Equestria Daily's IRC channel (I participate about as much as in our own IRC, which is to say I'm just idle most of the time I'm in there). There is just as much light RP'ing in there, if not more, and all of it could come straight out of a casual furry RP. There are just more references to hooves, rather than paws.
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« Reply #10 on: August 04, 2012, 10:30:29 AM » |
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I think pretty much any show featuring anthropomorphic characters could serve as a gateway to Furry Fandom. I've heard many furs state that movies like Disney's Robin Hood, Animalympics and the Lion King got them into furry. If those shows could do it I can't see why MLP couldn't.
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« Reply #11 on: August 04, 2012, 12:15:54 PM » |
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I think pretty much any show featuring anthropomorphic characters could serve as a gateway to Furry Fandom. I've heard many furs state that movies like Disney's Robin Hood, Animalympics and the Lion King got them into furry. If those shows could do it I can't see why MLP couldn't.
That one big point I want to get at, many furs came into furry influenced by Disney and other cartoons. There also that many furs and bronies are the same demographic and share e same mannerisms enthusiasm . Sometime ago I was easting at the mall next to a Brony meetup. For a while I thought why nobody told be about a new fur meet. Yes furries have problem with a unjust generalizations but it seem bronies have to deal with the same bad media and rudeness on the internet. The same who troll furries will troll bronies.
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« Reply #12 on: August 04, 2012, 06:30:51 PM » |
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The same who troll furries will troll bronies.
Also there seems to be a lot of conflict between the two fandoms, which I think is partly due to the fact they are very similar. Its a shame because as you said there are many people on the internet and in the general media who target both bronies and furries. I think that the brony fandom is a kinda softer entry into the furry fandom for those who are furry but don't know about it or our fandom yet. However there are many bronies who don't care for the anthro part and just like the characters, the community or the show itself. I would not expect any of these people to cross over. *edit* Does anyone have a link to topics or places where people have compared the two fandoms? I tried searching the forums but didn't find anything.
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« Reply #13 on: August 04, 2012, 06:50:18 PM » |
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Also there seems to be a lot of conflict between the two fandoms, which I think is partly due to the fact they are very similar. Its a shame because as you said there are many people on the internet and in the general media who target both bronies and furries.
I think that the brony fandom is a kinda softer entry into the furry fandom for those who are furry but don't know about it or our fandom yet. However there are many bronies who don't care for the anthro part and just like the characters, the community or the show itself. I would not expect any of these people to cross over.
*edit* Does anyone have a link to topics or places where people have compared the two fandoms? I tried searching the forums but didn't find anything.
To put it very simply: Bronies don't want to be associated with the furry fandom, in order to avoid (or at least try to mitigate) the negative stereotypes about furries being applied to them by association. The furs who don't care for Bronies mostly don't seem to like them because of the reason many people don't: Ponies have taken over everything, and people who aren't actually into the show get tired of seeing them all the time. However, many many months ago on FA, this actually created quite the rift. There were instances of people un-watching artists simply because they drew a pony or two. And even worse, there were a lot of mean comments getting posted on many pony submissions by anti-pony folk, sparking pretty heavy debate between the bronies and the anti-bronies. I don't really have any particular links to stories about it. Much of it is just from observations on pony chats. And I would wager that if I found any examples of the debates that occurred, they probably wouldn't be anything I should link here. There was a lot of arguing and stubbornness from both sides of the coin...
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« Reply #14 on: August 04, 2012, 06:57:32 PM » |
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« Reply #15 on: August 04, 2012, 07:01:44 PM » |
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Out of curiosity, have they even hit in your modeling circles, Kobuk? Any 'for fun' builds covered in ponies? Or at least with some manner of reference to them?
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« Reply #16 on: August 04, 2012, 07:07:33 PM » |
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Out of curiosity, have they even hit in your modeling circles, Kobuk? Any 'for fun' builds covered in ponies? Or at least with some manner of reference to them? Not......yet. But that doesn't mean it couldn't happen. I just get tired of hearing and seeing MLP talked about as if it was the greatest thing since sliced bread. It's not. It's just a tv show for crying out loud. Some people think the world of it so to speak and their whole life revolves around it.
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« Reply #17 on: August 05, 2012, 01:19:04 AM » |
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I just get tired of hearing and seeing MLP talked about as if it was the greatest thing since sliced bread.
^^ This. But no hating...I mean, I'm a furry after all.  I honestly think that if you're a furry or Brony, the least you can do is have respect for other fandoms that are just as obscure as your own.
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« Reply #18 on: August 05, 2012, 02:57:12 AM » |
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I just get tired of hearing and seeing MLP talked about as if it was the greatest thing since sliced bread.
^^ This. But no hating...I mean, I'm a furry after all.  I honestly think that if you're a furry or Brony, the least you can do is have respect for other fandoms that are just as obscure as your own. We are indeed the same, just into different things. I can also understand where he comes from getting tired of seeing ponies all the time, I watch the show, collect the toys, have some shirts. But I don't talk about it every 5 seconds of my life, and I really don't like people who do talk about it all the time.
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« Reply #19 on: August 05, 2012, 12:09:44 PM » |
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I am sure it will promote some crossover to the furry fandam as it will show we are fun loving people as they are.
Personally I watch the show because I enjoy cute cartoons.
Anthro acting magical ponies are just cute, and they do promote positive ideas for the young girls in the audience.
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« Reply #20 on: August 05, 2012, 01:09:33 PM » |
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I don't really have any particular links to stories about it. Much of it is just from observations on pony chats. And I would wager that if I found any examples of the debates that occurred, they probably wouldn't be anything I should link here. There was a lot of arguing and stubbornness from both sides of the coin...
Hehe no worries. I've seen much of the same in the few discussions that bring up this 'sensitive' topic, although I'm sure that there is a civilised debate buried somewhere on the net.
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« Reply #21 on: August 09, 2012, 03:57:46 PM » |
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Out of curiosity, have they even hit in your modeling circles, Kobuk? Any 'for fun' builds covered in ponies? Or at least with some manner of reference to them? You just had to ask, didn't you?  http://www.equestriadaily.com/2012/07/equestrian-model-contest.html#idc-container
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« Reply #22 on: August 09, 2012, 10:24:03 PM » |
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i converted my friend to furry,and he was a brony longer than i was.....so in some cases,yes
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