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The world of Redwall.
« on: May 26, 2017, 08:51:08 pm »
Any Redwall fans here? Raise your paw.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redwall



I tried to get started into the Redwall book series long ago, but it didn't last very long. I had 4-5 books, but didn't get very far in reading them.  :( Maybe at some point in the future, I'll try to get back into them again if I can.

For now though, I recently checked out the complete Seasons 1, 2, and 3 of the Redwall animated tv series from my local library and have been watching that. Seasons 1 and 2 are done, so now I just have #3 left to watch.

Anybody else a fan of Redwall? Have you read all the books and/or watched the tv series? What are your thoughts? What are your favorite books, stories, characters, etc.?

And here's something interesting I just read tonight:

http://www.slashfilm.com/redwall-movie-series/
https://moviepilot.com/posts/3791567

I don't know about anybody else, but I am particuarly interested in seeing feature length movies made of the Redwall and Mattimeo books. And if successful, I think more movie adaptations could be done with other book titles. Only companies I can think of that could produce a movie series like this might be Disney and/or Pixar. And the animation/CGI would need to be spectacuarly photorealistic too.
In my opinion, Redwall is long overdue to be made into a film series. In an age where all Hollywood cares about is reboot, reboot, and more reboots, or making more "sequels and prequels", I think Redwall would offer some fresh new storytelling to audiences everywhere.  :) I would certainly rather see a new Redwall movie instead of another Fast and Furious #10 movie or another Jurassic Park #5 movie, etc., etc.  :P
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Re: The world of Redwall.
« Reply #1 on: May 26, 2017, 11:24:06 pm »
Read all the books. Absolutely loved them. Remain one of my favourite series. Don't own the books any more - My parents gave them away when I moved to uni.
Seen the first series of the TV show. Honestly didn't think it was that great. Too many deviations from the book. Alright if you hadn't read the books, but not amazing if you were a huge fan of them.
Not really fussed if they make a film of it or not. I doubt it will happen though.

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Re: The world of Redwall.
« Reply #2 on: May 28, 2017, 10:25:41 am »
I have read almost all of the series. One should remember the stories are
meant for young people. So one should expect the plots to be easier for
kids to follow.

Brian must have loved food.  :D  The big thing the creatures that lived in the
Redwall abby loved is food. It made sense as creatures in the wild generally
don't have a lot to eat. I think Brian had kids in mind with all the sweets he
wrote about. I imagine the creatures would have been fat and toothless with
all that sugar. LOL.

I don't know if Britain has any Skunks, or Ground hogs as he never encluded
them that I remembered. Good beasts were mice, badgers, hares, otters,
moles, squirrels, shrews, birds, and others. Lots  of villains, rats, foxes, martans,
stoats, wildcats, water rats, birds, fish, snakes, lizards and others.

He usually encluded a puzzle or riddle in the stories. I am sure those added
to the enjoyment of the stories.

Redwall is for the young at heart. Even someone my age can enjoy the stories
if you allow yourself to leave reality. Actually the stories are well written. One
could change from animals to humans and they would be a good read for young
people.

I reccomend the Redwall stories for anyone who loves animals and advanture
stories from the middle ages. Swords, daggers, spears, slings and arrows, oh my.

Some do feel the stories tend to be repetitious. Yes they do follow similar plots, but
I think Brian did keep the series interesting. He used different lead characters in most
of the books.

I did enjoy the series and plan to read them again. :orbunny:
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Re: The world of Redwall.
« Reply #3 on: May 28, 2017, 10:28:40 am »
While we have the odd escaped colony of skunks, neither they nor groundhogs are native to the UK, and the odd escaped lot are not common by any means. Whereas we do have native lizards and snakes.

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Re: The world of Redwall.
« Reply #4 on: May 28, 2017, 11:04:06 am »
While we have the odd escaped colony of skunks, neither they nor groundhogs are native to the UK, and the odd escaped lot are not common by any means. Whereas we do have native lizards and snakes.

Thanks for the info Loc.. Good reason for not encluding them. 

Personally I found the video series enjoyable, but I hadn't read the books first. I agree
not following the story line harms the videos for those who have read the story first.
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Re: The world of Redwall.
« Reply #5 on: May 28, 2017, 08:12:02 pm »
Read all the books. Absolutely loved them. Remain one of my favourite series. Don't own the books any more - My parents gave them away when I moved to uni.

Seen the first series of the TV show. Honestly didn't think it was that great. Too many deviations from the book. Alright if you hadn't read the books, but not amazing if you were a huge fan of them.

^ I just finished Season 3 today. The entire tv series isn't too terribly bad. I can understand it deviating from the books. It's hard to turn a book into a tv show/film. Not everything in the book can be condensed to fit into a certain amount of time. Certain scenes, characters, and situations have to be cut or re-arranged. But still, the series was decent nonetheless. It temporarily filled a gap for me until I am better able to collect the books and start reading them again.
 
Not really fussed if they make a film of it or not. I doubt it will happen though.

^ You're probably right. It may not happen. But I can always be hopeful. ;)


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I don't know if Britain has any Skunks, or Ground hogs as he never encluded
them that I remembered. Good beasts were mice, badgers, hares, otters,
moles, squirrels, shrews, birds, and others. Lots  of villains, rats, foxes, martans,
stoats, wildcats, water rats, birds, fish, snakes, lizards and others.

Strange how most of the creatures in the Redwall series are mostly small. You rarely see or read about larger creatures. Kinda makes me wonder if Brian was biased towards smaller creatures in his stories? Were they just that much easier to write?
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Re: The world of Redwall.
« Reply #6 on: May 28, 2017, 08:16:06 pm »
And we don't have that much large wildlife native to Britain. About the biggest we have is deer, badgers and foxes. And the odd wildcat. And three of those are in the books. We've not even had wolves since about the late 1600s or so. Which is probably why he didn't write them in.

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Re: The world of Redwall.
« Reply #7 on: May 29, 2017, 09:46:03 am »
Brian Jacques according to what I have heard first started telling his stories
to kids in a school for the blind. Perhaps sticking with small animals was a
way to not give the kids bad dreams. A mouse or hedgehog isn't much of
a threat for ones imagination. Badgers on the other paw isn't a animal one
one should fool with, but Brian needed a critter others in his stories could
look up to with awe and respect. Most people think of rats as being nasty
vermin so they made good bad guys.

Brian did create a island with wild cats as bad beasts. He countered with otters
as being the victims of the cats rule. So that was a story with mostly larger
creatures. I won't go into the story any more as to not ruin it for others.

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Re: The world of Redwall.
« Reply #8 on: May 29, 2017, 04:40:40 pm »
One thing that I was curious about and did a search for was "Redwall fursuits".  I did a Google search, though not too extensive, and came upon one such image below. With all the diversity of Redwall stories, characters, and species, I think it would be great to see such fursuits at cons or even better yet, Ren Fairs!

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Re: The world of Redwall.
« Reply #9 on: May 30, 2017, 09:51:23 am »
That is a dandy Badger outfit. I agree it would be interesting to
see Redwall suits.  Course they would be feral in design like the
picture you posted.

Actually Redwall could work as a stage show with good suits. I wonder
if it's ever been done.  Seems I read that Brian Jacques did do some Redwall
radio shows.
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Re: The world of Redwall.
« Reply #10 on: June 02, 2017, 06:30:54 pm »
Heh, I'll raise four paws. :D  Big fan here.  While the books are formulaic, they're an easy fun read, and sometimes that's all I want to get away from the hustle and bustle of everyday life.  Best books were the earlier ones--Mossflower, Martin the Warrior, Mattimeo.  Most interesting ones were Taggerung and Outcast of Redwall because I felt for sure we'd see our first "bad" otter, and first "good" ferret.

TV series...well season 1 they were finding their way, so yes, lots of changes to the story compared to the Redwall story.  Season 2, Mattimeo was actually pretty close to the book so can't argue with not keeping to the original story.  Season 3, Martin the Warrior, again very faithful to the book, so another good season.  If people want to watch Redwall, they should skip the first season and actually watch the second two, just my take on it.
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Re: The world of Redwall.
« Reply #11 on: June 03, 2017, 02:50:34 pm »
One thing that I was curious about and did a search for was "Redwall fursuits".  I did a Google search, though not too extensive, and came upon one such image below. With all the diversity of Redwall stories, characters, and species, I think it would be great to see such fursuits at cons or even better yet, Ren Fairs!


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The beautiful fursuit in the photo you found was made by a German LARPer by the name of  Anja (aka Lepus discordia) .
She's a wildly talented fusuit maker, who has created several beastfolk characters.

The badger in the picture is not a Redwall character, but one of her own LARP characters, called Taipa.
The photo was shot at the annual "Conquest of Mythodea" LARP event in Hannover, Germany, 2012.





The badger below is ...ahem... yours truly, at the same LARP, only in 2016,
during which I also counted two cat-girls, a couple of foxes and a wolf.
I don't know about ren-faires, but we were well received at Mythodea.










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Re: The world of Redwall.
« Reply #12 on: June 07, 2017, 11:37:07 pm »
I've only read one book, but I'm a huge fan of the show. My favorite character other then Matthias and Basil is Warbeak! I adore the sparrow queen and her mother Dunwing.   

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« Reply #13 on: June 10, 2017, 10:09:22 am »
I've only read one book, but I'm a huge fan of the show. My favorite character other then Matthias and Basil is Warbeak! I adore the sparrow queen and her mother Dunwing.

I have been through all 22 books. If you enjoyed the videos I think you will find
them all a good read. Some feel they are a bit repetitious with the plots, but I
found enoughh variations to keep them interesting.  :orbunny:
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Re: The world of Redwall.
« Reply #14 on: June 10, 2017, 12:04:37 pm »
I once checked out a few at the library. Read em' all but I can't really say I'm a fan. Basically it leans heavily on one of my personal pet peeves, the always chaotic evil trope. Apparently in this universe if you're born as a certain species you're damned to be evil and hated. And if you're a certain other species you're good. They even go so far as to label all the evil species vermin. I don't believe any species is all good or all evil. A good example of a book series that avoids this trope is the animorphs series. The villains, the yeerks, are slimy sluglike  body snatchers but once you get a few books in then it's shown that  not all of them want any part of the whole body snatching everyone on earth plan. Many are just acting out of fear of execution and still others are actually working together with their human hosts in order to aid the main characters or hinder the whole earth invasion plot. The author basically took creatures that are essentially body snatching slugs and managed to make a few of them sympathetic.
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Re: The world of Redwall.
« Reply #15 on: June 11, 2017, 08:51:37 am »
I once checked out a few at the library. Read em' all but I can't really say I'm a fan. Basically it leans heavily on one of my personal pet peeves, the always chaotic evil trope. Apparently in this universe if you're born as a certain species you're damned to be evil and hated. And if you're a certain other species you're good. They even go so far as to label all the evil species vermin. I don't believe any species is all good or all evil. A good example of a book series that avoids this trope is the animorphs series. The villains, the yeerks, are slimy sluglike  body snatchers but once you get a few books in then it's shown that  not all of them want any part of the whole body snatching everyone on earth plan. Many are just acting out of fear of execution and still others are actually working together with their human hosts in order to aid the main characters or hinder the whole earth invasion plot. The author basically took creatures that are essentially body snatching slugs and managed to make a few of them sympathetic.

I agree Brian Jacques does pick and choose who is evil and who is good. But
it is just a fantasy story. Perhaps it would have helped the series if he had
allowed members from all species to only be bad or good because of how
they were taught or treated growing up, but we have to remember this is
basicly a children's story. Trying to explain why good and evil exsists could go
over the heads of the younger kids. As it is the story keeps it simple, bad
guys are carnivores and good guys are basically herbivores. If a kid was to
see a Stoat kill a little rabbit he/she would likely think the Stoat was evil. Even
though the Stoat isn't good or bad. It's just trying to survive.

Stories written for little kids often do a poor job of teaching the complexities
of good and evil. Morality teaching is usually aimed at social norms.

In the 1940's Disney created "Bambi" a story of a fawn who lost his mother
to hunters. That year deer hunting dropped dramatically because little kids
begged their fathers to not hunt "Bambi" Little kids love cute animals, I think
that why Brian chose them as being good.


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Re: The world of Redwall.
« Reply #16 on: June 17, 2017, 08:16:12 am »
I was only exposed to the work through airing of the animated series on PBS here. I pitied the scarred fox character though he was evil.
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Re: The world of Redwall.
« Reply #17 on: September 05, 2017, 06:41:24 pm »
I have a good guy fox who lives with the sparrows. They raised him from a pup and even though he learned that he was a fox, he felt that in his heart he is a sparrow.

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Re: The world of Redwall.
« Reply #18 on: September 05, 2017, 11:27:48 pm »
There is a Redwall game in the works.

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Really? That's awesome!

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Re: The world of Redwall.
« Reply #20 on: September 07, 2017, 09:32:50 am »
There is a Redwall Muck too. A text based multi user RP game.

http://redwall.wikia.com/wiki/Redwall_MUCK

I don't know how active it is, but it should be good for Redwall role playing.

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