Author Topic: The high cost of medical care.  (Read 889 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline Kobuk

  • The "Malamute Dewd"
  • Hero Member
  • Species: Anthro Alaskan Malamute (Husky)
  • #1 Dew drinker.
  • *****
  • Male
  • Posts: 26880
The high cost of medical care.
« on: August 25, 2016, 06:13:20 pm »
Hardly a day doesn't go by when I read and/or hear something about how medical costs keep going up, up, and more up. And if they keep getting worse and worse over the next several years, then the only people who can afford medical care will be the filthy rich.  :P

So what can be done? How can medical costs be lowered? Is it even possible? I'm not good with politics, economics, and money issues, but here's what I can tell you: The first, best, and only person that is going to care for you, is yourself. Now granted, doctors, family, friends, etc. can help with some things. But if you want to stay healthy and not incur a lot of medical problems and costs during your lifetime, then you need to start taking proper care of your health, and that means exercising and eating better.

For some people like disabled children with dibilitating diseases, military vets who are disabled, and millions of others who can't or aren't able to take care of themselves for various reasons and have a healthier lifestyle, I understand about that. But for those who can walk, talk, work, drive a car, run, skip, jump, etc., etc., etc., what have you done to stay healthy?

As I said, the first and only person that is going to take care of you is yourself. Too many people in this world rely on doctors, pills, and medical treatments to solve their problems for them. The more you want others to take care of you, the more you are PAYING them to take care of you. Want those costs to go down somewhat? Then start taking better care of yourself so that you don't have to run to the doctor's office all the time.
Diabeties can be cured by eating healthier and getting proper exercise.
Depression can never be cured with a pill. Only you can find happiness and overcome your own problems.
Too fat? Start exercising! Don't expect those "Lose weight fast" schemes or diet pills to do it for you.

So much can be done ourselves without having to go to a doctor and having to pay more medical costs. Part of the reason prescription drug prices are so high is because we have gotten too used to pills trying to cure everything for us.  >:(  And speaking of prescription costs, wonder why they are so high? Research and development. It takes a lot of money to research and develop new drugs. The money goes not only toward paying the scientists to develop and create the drugs, but also the equipment needed to make the drugs which can be quite expensive in some cases.

As for eating healthier, haven't parents always said to eat your vegetables? There is so much nutritional value in vegetables, breads and grains, fruits, and other food products. But instead, too many people are hooked into "fast foods", microwave meals, and other junk stuff.  :P All that "junk stuff" isn't healthy. All it does is make people obese and/or diabetic. Diabetes, obesity, cholesterol, and heart attacks are becoming the main medical problems in the U.S.  Not cancer, car crashes, drownings, or any other fatality.

Exercise should be easy enough. Walking, riding a bike, swimming, hiking, various sports are all good exercise. You don't have to do a lot each day. At least 30-45 mins. of exercise for starters per day can help you be a better person.

So what else can people do, or have our government do, to help lower medical costs? If we took care of ourselves better instead of having to go to the doctor, hospital, etc. so much, then maybe people wouldn't be getting so many medical bills in the mail all the time. ;)  Medical costs will only go down if you yourself take better care of yourself. The doctor shouldn't be a nanny for you all the time.
Click link below for more fursuit information. ;)
http://forums.furtopia.org/kobuk's-fursuit-guides/

Offline cause the rat

  • Hero Member
  • Species: rat
  • *****
  • Male
  • Posts: 800
Re: The high cost of medical care.
« Reply #1 on: August 25, 2016, 07:06:26 pm »
In a free society no one can do anything about what someone else is charging for something. I watch a report about different hospitals within the same city. Each hospital charged differently for the same services. i also seen a report on one company who designed a product no one else had. Cost them .75 to make the product. Charged over 7k for it. 

There is also the hidden side of medical costs. Law suits. Again seeing a report. in one state a doctor would have to deliver 700 babies a month just to cover his liability insurance. Our legal system has been broke for a long time. Unfortunately we all are paying for it.

Then there's prescription med costs. The truth is, if aspirin was newly discovered they would charge a fortune for it. Despite the fact that it's really cheap to manufacture.
It's been said that rats can gain access to your home by climbing up threw your toilet. I prefer to use the front door.

Offline Rocket T. Coyote

  • Hero Member
  • Species: Canis Latrans Rocketus
  • The Furry Model Rocketeer
  • *****
  • Male
  • Posts: 1806
Re: The high cost of medical care.
« Reply #2 on: August 25, 2016, 07:08:52 pm »
Epi-pens in the news. Wow! Glad I don't need one.
"The coyote is a living, breathing allegory of Want. He is always hungry. He is always poor, out of luck, and friendless. The meanest creatures despise him. And even the fleas would dessert him for a velocipide."~Mark Twain
(Baps the old humorist.)

Offline Chipper Blu-wolf

  • Full Member
  • Species: timber wolf
  • Spending too much on media
  • ***
  • Male
  • Posts: 153
Re: The high cost of medical care.
« Reply #3 on: August 25, 2016, 07:32:35 pm »
I was just thinking about the epi-pen thing that's going around after seeing the thread title.  I personally, am allergic to only a couple of known things, but if I ever contact these things again, at least my throat doesn't close up on me.  For those that this is a real problem for, they simply don't have any real alternatives outside of hoping they can continue to breathe until an ambulance arrives if they don't have that epi-pen with them.  If I was in that boat, I'd want to at least have one or two of those things, but $200 a pen is really crazy when the drug itself is something like $10.  Maybe there's a supply problem driving up the price like that--I think one of the reports was a competing product was recalled, and that would certainly cause a shortage of this medication and the rise in price.  Guess I'd be extra careful if I ever had to live like this, but I wouldn't blame those who had to spend years in a chemistry lab trying to find the right drug that works on such a problem.  Unfortunately, you cannot prevent all allergies with good health.

Quote
So what else can people do, or have our government do, to help lower medical costs?

The only thing I can come with as an answer to that has to do with competition--allowing the market to support generic versions of a brand name drug (if you absolutely need it) to save you money so you can continue to live.  Granted, the brand name company probably did all the research and they should be allowed to "corner" the market for a limited amount of time, and then it ought to be that anyone with a good knack for chemistry should be allowed to duplicate the drug without the overhead costs of research and marketing.  That would lower the price immediately and allow the company that developed it to at least profit on it; maybe not enormously but profit nonetheless, otherwise why would they bother trying?
Its best to eat a balanced diet with a cookie in each paw!

Offline Loc

  • Tea-obsessed transhumanist and Buddhist.
  • Species: Cyborg snow leopard
  • The ending of the words is ALMSIVI.
  • *
  • Female
  • Posts: 4259
Re: The high cost of medical care.
« Reply #4 on: August 26, 2016, 01:31:52 am »

Diabeties can be cured by eating healthier and getting proper exercise.
Depression can never be cured with a pill. Only you can find happiness and overcome your own problems.

Both of these are wrong. There is no cure for diabetes - it can only be managed AT BEST, and even that is VERY hard in some cases (such as the elderly or those with physical or mental disabilities), and some forms of depression are caused by a chemical imbalance. All the self reflection in the world will not fix a chemical imbalance.
« Last Edit: August 26, 2016, 02:11:01 am by Loc »

Avatar by Shibara,  sig by Miser

0.1.0 carrot tail leopard gecko, Gelbstoff
0.1.0 bearded dragon, Dany
0.0.1 amel stripe het hypo corn snake, Vivec

Offline Fern Rat

  • Species: Anthro Rat
  • *
  • Male
  • Posts: 121
Re: The high cost of medical care.
« Reply #5 on: August 26, 2016, 05:06:49 am »

Diabeties can be cured by eating healthier and getting proper exercise.
Depression can never be cured with a pill. Only you can find happiness and overcome your own problems.

Both of these are wrong. There is no cure for diabetes - it can only be managed AT BEST, and even that is VERY hard in some cases (such as the elderly or those with physical or mental disabilities), and some forms of depression are caused by a chemical imbalance. All the self reflection in the world will not fix a chemical imbalance.

^ So much this. I forget the exact article I read, but one doctor was quoted as saying he would rather have HIV than diabetes, it was that bad in his opinion.  Type 2 diabetes can be managed and in some cases prevented by a healthy (or healthier) lifestyle, but it can also affect people randomly for a number of reasons. Type 1... no such luck. The complications caused by this disease are so awful I wouldn't wish them on anyone and am quite happy for some of my tax contributions to pay for the medicine, even for people who did it to themselves through poor lifestyle choices.

Mental health is such a complex topic that I won't even attempt to offer an opinion other than it is not always possible to "think yourself well". Treatments such as CBT might help manage things but you have no conscious control over what neurotransmitters your body does and does not manufacture.

In any case, the cost for these treatments should be borne entirely by the State. If someone can live a normal(ish) and productive life with conditions properly managed then it's in their best interests. We can't pay income tax if we're dead, after all!
« Last Edit: August 26, 2016, 05:10:12 am by Fern Rat »
Avatar by Miser

Offline cause the rat

  • Hero Member
  • Species: rat
  • *****
  • Male
  • Posts: 800
Re: The high cost of medical care.
« Reply #6 on: August 26, 2016, 08:26:46 am »
Agreed. Diabetes can not be cured with what we know. There have been studies on bear livers because of their hibernation. Their livers regulate body sugars one way then switch back to normal after hibernation. Unfortunately this switching mechanism is a DNA structure that can't be, with what we know now, introduced into a human liver.  Once a human liver stops regulating sugars it will never switch back on.  Nor is there any electronic device that could aid the liver. Like a pacemaker dose for the heart.

Another background reason for high medical costs is covering the costs of research.
It's been said that rats can gain access to your home by climbing up threw your toilet. I prefer to use the front door.

Offline Old Rabbit

  • Species: Rabbit Artist
  • Offical Birthday Wisher.
  • *
  • Male
  • Posts: 14296
    • Art by Oldrabbit
Re: The high cost of medical care.
« Reply #7 on: August 26, 2016, 10:28:29 am »
Health care like any other large business is run by people who want to be billionairs.

In the past many of those in health care were interested in helping cure people not
to get rich. Most people in health care are interested in helping people get better, but
there is enough fraud and greed to cause price increases greatly exceeding inflation.

Hospitals have gone from wards to simi private rooms which require more nurses, and
more expensive to maintain.

Doctors have gone from largely general practice to specialists who charge a lot more.
If they stick their head in the door of your hospital room they can charge a consulting
fee.. Or even claim to  be one of your doctors.

Pharmaceutical corporations are raising prices as fast as  they think they can get by
with.

The US is about the only country in the world that doesn't regulate health care costs.

I saw a congressional committee a few years ago where a doctor from Canada was
asked. "How many people die waiting for care?"  The doctor responded. "how many
people die here because they can't afford health care."  The congressman just changed
the subject. Because he knew it was a question he didn't want to answer. It's the one
big excuse for being against price regulation. People might have to get in line for care.
especially for elective surgery. I kind of imagine like many other excuses it's not as big
a problem as they want us to think.

Big money interests are a big reason for high costs, but people can help by having healthy
habits. 
« Last Edit: August 28, 2016, 07:58:42 am by Old Rabbit »
oldrabbit.com
Avatar drawn by me.

Offline Rocket T. Coyote

  • Hero Member
  • Species: Canis Latrans Rocketus
  • The Furry Model Rocketeer
  • *****
  • Male
  • Posts: 1806
Re: The high cost of medical care.
« Reply #8 on: August 27, 2016, 12:38:44 pm »
Forcing people to buy a product--under penalty of law-- certainly lines the pockets pf those who provide it.

It looks like I'm in for a double-digit increase in my premiums here. I also have a close relative who has had to change plans several times since ACA went into effect, with steep increases in premiums each time.
"The coyote is a living, breathing allegory of Want. He is always hungry. He is always poor, out of luck, and friendless. The meanest creatures despise him. And even the fleas would dessert him for a velocipide."~Mark Twain
(Baps the old humorist.)

Offline Robert_Silvermyst

  • Jr. Member
  • Species: Archangel Wolf
  • High King of Furgasta
  • **
  • Male
  • Posts: 57
Re: The high cost of medical care.
« Reply #9 on: August 27, 2016, 04:29:20 pm »
There are many better ways to deal with the health care issue than the ACA. Under the ACA, all that has been provided focuses on the health insurance companies. While I myself have the VA and thus the prices don't affect me, I have seen premiums go up as well as deductables. Not to mention the 'penalty' or tax as they call it in order to skirt around the word of the law imposed on those who do not have health care and that tax's increase over time is anything but affordable.

What I have NOT seen ACA address is standardizing the cost of PROCEDURES. Making it so that the hospitals can't overcharge the insurance companies on procedures. Insurance companies work using the 'law of large numbers', a pool of money that serves to cover everyone covered by the insurance company. The more a company has to pay, the less it has to provide to others.

I think if you remove the individual mandate and standardize procedure prices with certain allowances to cover complications and provide a donation-funded option for those who are poverty and below (people are a lot more generous than you think), the health care system will stabilize, with options available that work for the variety of the whole.

Offline Old Rabbit

  • Species: Rabbit Artist
  • Offical Birthday Wisher.
  • *
  • Male
  • Posts: 14296
    • Art by Oldrabbit
Re: The high cost of medical care.
« Reply #10 on: August 28, 2016, 08:19:48 am »
The ACA was originally a republican plan started by the Governor of Massachusetts.

Polititions with big business support have been running the ACA down from the
moment Obama signed it into law. Due to this there has been no corrections for
the law to make it better or more fair. Only trying to get rid of it. Go back to
the days when a person who has a medical issue can be refused insurance or
charged huge premiums if they do get coverage.

When people change jobs they often loose their health insurance so if they or
someone in their family has had a health issue they are screwed. Because no
insurance company wants them.

Also many states refused to follow up with the substidies  needed to help those
who cant afford the insurance.

I am not s aying the ACA is a good way to cover health costs. I think the only way
to keep costs down to get the big money out of it. Hospitals build huge fancy facilities.
Doctors build expensive clinics. Drug costs are going through the roof. Another part
of health care expense is doctors being sued for any mistake they might make. Doctors
are humans not machines. They are going to make a mistake now and then. They are
paying huge premiums for mal practice insurance. I am sure hospitals are in the same
boat. So the sue to get rich game is driving up health costs too.. It would be better to
get rid of the consistently bad doctors and others who drive up insurance costs instead.

Something has to be done or only the upper middle class and rich will have decent
health care. The GOP and other politicians don't seem to  care if you or I have health
coverage. They voted to give themselves government health coverage. I think they
should vote to get rid of their health coverage if they believe government should get
out of the health care business. 

Of course nearly all of them are millionaires so they don't have to worry about it anyway.
Some never knew what it was like to be poor or in a position to not have enough money to
eat. Most  couldn't imagine living on less than 10k a year. Perhaps it would do them good if
they did.
« Last Edit: August 28, 2016, 08:54:19 am by Old Rabbit »
oldrabbit.com
Avatar drawn by me.

Offline Kobuk

  • The "Malamute Dewd"
  • Hero Member
  • Species: Anthro Alaskan Malamute (Husky)
  • #1 Dew drinker.
  • *****
  • Male
  • Posts: 26880
Re: The high cost of medical care.
« Reply #11 on: August 29, 2016, 02:13:25 pm »
Click link below for more fursuit information. ;)
http://forums.furtopia.org/kobuk's-fursuit-guides/

Offline Old Rabbit

  • Species: Rabbit Artist
  • Offical Birthday Wisher.
  • *
  • Male
  • Posts: 14296
    • Art by Oldrabbit
Re: The high cost of medical care.
« Reply #12 on: August 30, 2016, 08:25:56 am »
The Epipen scandle is the latest proof of corporate greed. 

Apparently they were worried enough to create a generic for $300.  Fearing congress in an election
year might pass a law that would hurt their ability to overcharge for drugs.

Here is a conspiracy theory for you. Perhaps a congressman or senator called the CEO of the corporation
that made this ridiculously over priced medical product saying. "You better lower the price somehow. We
are getting a lot of mail from the public with demands for price regulations. Being an election year we may
not be able to protect your interests this time if you don't" That's just a theory of course, but I imagine
many people think the government has sold out to big business..

So they lowered the price to $300 to quell the public outrage. Wasn't that nice of them to lower it from
a rediculously high price to a lower overly high price. I understand the medicine used in the product sells for
around 10 bucks. I think $150 would have been more than enough to make them a nice profit.

Seems the CEO's of today wish to be Billionaires instead of only being poor multimillionaires.  I imagine
they would cry the blues, or jump off a roof if they had to live on what I and many others do.


« Last Edit: August 30, 2016, 09:51:28 am by Old Rabbit »
oldrabbit.com
Avatar drawn by me.

Offline Kobuk

  • The "Malamute Dewd"
  • Hero Member
  • Species: Anthro Alaskan Malamute (Husky)
  • #1 Dew drinker.
  • *****
  • Male
  • Posts: 26880
Re: The high cost of medical care.
« Reply #13 on: August 30, 2016, 09:29:35 am »
Well, if medical care/costs get any worse in America and/or the world (And I'm sure they eventually will), we could end up living in a world similar to Elysium.  :o
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elysium_(film)

Or try this link:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1535108/
« Last Edit: August 30, 2016, 10:16:51 am by Kobuk »
Click link below for more fursuit information. ;)
http://forums.furtopia.org/kobuk's-fursuit-guides/

Offline Old Rabbit

  • Species: Rabbit Artist
  • Offical Birthday Wisher.
  • *
  • Male
  • Posts: 14296
    • Art by Oldrabbit
Re: The high cost of medical care.
« Reply #14 on: August 30, 2016, 10:02:36 am »
Well, if medical care/costs get any worse in America and/or the world (And I'm sure they eventually will), we could end up living in a world similar to Elysium.  :o
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elysium_(film)

You might check the link..

Yes and the rich guys will become overlords and live in walled cities to keep out the starving undesirables.
oldrabbit.com
Avatar drawn by me.

Offline Kobuk

  • The "Malamute Dewd"
  • Hero Member
  • Species: Anthro Alaskan Malamute (Husky)
  • #1 Dew drinker.
  • *****
  • Male
  • Posts: 26880
Re: The high cost of medical care.
« Reply #15 on: August 30, 2016, 10:18:12 am »
Well, if medical care/costs get any worse in America and/or the world (And I'm sure they eventually will), we could end up living in a world similar to Elysium.  :o
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elysium_(film)

You might check the link..

Yes and the rich guys will become overlords and live in walled cities to keep out the starving undesirables.


The problem is with Wikipedia. The parenthesis's around the word film are screwing up the link.
Click link below for more fursuit information. ;)
http://forums.furtopia.org/kobuk's-fursuit-guides/

Offline Kobuk

  • The "Malamute Dewd"
  • Hero Member
  • Species: Anthro Alaskan Malamute (Husky)
  • #1 Dew drinker.
  • *****
  • Male
  • Posts: 26880
Re: The high cost of medical care.
« Reply #16 on: September 02, 2016, 08:11:49 am »
http://www.tmj4.com/news/national/clinton-puts-out-plan-to-cut-excessive-drug-costs

As the old saying goes: "Talk is cheap. Actions speak louder than words."

Will Clinton get tough? We'll just have to wait and find out.
Click link below for more fursuit information. ;)
http://forums.furtopia.org/kobuk's-fursuit-guides/

Offline Kayle

  • Hero Member
  • Species: Fox
  • Hallelujah, lock and load!
  • *****
  • Male
  • Posts: 1375
Re: The high cost of medical care.
« Reply #17 on: September 02, 2016, 05:46:03 pm »
Pardon me if I sound a bit extreme, but the only way things are going to change for the better, at least in my opinion, is if the people stand up finally say "enough".  Our government is run, as Old Rabbit pointed out, by millionaires and billionaires.  One thing I've seen in my 25 years on this Earth is that money changes people, qnd not usually for the best.  When that cash fever hits, enough is never enough.  Pretty soon, the big wigs are rubbing elbows with anyone who smells like money.  They're practically giving out walk-on appearances in the running of the country to qnyone with a big enough checkbook.  The pharmaceutical industry is no stranger to this.
To those of us who can't afford insurance, a single visit to the doctor can put you in debt for years, even if all you needed was a pat on the back and a shot of penicillin.  For example, a month or so ago, my sister went to the E.R. thinking she was having a heart attack.  All the typical heart attack symptoms were present, and she was terrified.  Shortly after being registered and taken in for examination, all the muscles in her arms and legs seized.  Turns out, her potassium level had bottomed out, causing the muscles in her chest to seize and keep her heart from fully contracting.  She was given a sedative, and several potassium tablets.
And was promptly charged about $8000.  With no insurance, and she and my brother-in-law's remodeling business on the rocks, she has little to no chance of ever getting out from under the debt.
I believe that we desperately need some sort of regulation.  But, the way things are going right now, I think the only way we are going to have a chance of doing it is if we put our foot down.  The rich keep getting richer, while the piir wither and die needlessly under their boots.  Drastic need requires drastic action.
"Go to heaven for the climate and hell for the company."
-Mark Twain

Anyone use Telegram?  Hit me up!  Username is KayleStorm!

Offline Loc

  • Tea-obsessed transhumanist and Buddhist.
  • Species: Cyborg snow leopard
  • The ending of the words is ALMSIVI.
  • *
  • Female
  • Posts: 4259
Re: The high cost of medical care.
« Reply #18 on: September 03, 2016, 01:13:08 am »
What America needs is an NHS style system. All of my family members have had life saving surgery. And none of us have been charged a penny. The only thing I have to pay for is 7.50 every three months for my antidepressants.

And yet Americans seem really resistant to the idea of a free health service for some reason...

Avatar by Shibara,  sig by Miser

0.1.0 carrot tail leopard gecko, Gelbstoff
0.1.0 bearded dragon, Dany
0.0.1 amel stripe het hypo corn snake, Vivec

Offline Kayle

  • Hero Member
  • Species: Fox
  • Hallelujah, lock and load!
  • *****
  • Male
  • Posts: 1375
Re: The high cost of medical care.
« Reply #19 on: September 03, 2016, 06:02:15 am »
What America needs is an NHS style system. All of my family members have had life saving surgery. And none of us have been charged a penny. The only thing I have to pay for is 7.50 every three months for my antidepressants.

And yet Americans seem really resistant to the idea of a free health service for some reason...

Americans have been taught from an early age to fear everything, including change.  We have been bottle fed fear our whole lives, and the government and media perpetuates and exploits this fear in order to cash in on us.  We are so afraid, as a society, that we allow the government to "protect" our rights, even if that means paying more for our basic needs.
"Go to heaven for the climate and hell for the company."
-Mark Twain

Anyone use Telegram?  Hit me up!  Username is KayleStorm!

Offline Chipper Blu-wolf

  • Full Member
  • Species: timber wolf
  • Spending too much on media
  • ***
  • Male
  • Posts: 153
Re: The high cost of medical care.
« Reply #20 on: September 03, 2016, 06:09:18 am »
Free health care is never free.  Ask any country with "free" health care what their taxes look like to pay for that care.  Its a single-payer system and you all pay in taxes to maintain it.  I wish people would stop saying "free health care" because it simply isn't so.

I'm not saying much in this conversation simply because I don't have health problems, don't need prescription meds, and if I did maybe my take on such a thing might be different.  I frankly don't know what it is like to have to pay for high medical costs regularly, and I won't pretend to.
Its best to eat a balanced diet with a cookie in each paw!

Offline Old Rabbit

  • Species: Rabbit Artist
  • Offical Birthday Wisher.
  • *
  • Male
  • Posts: 14296
    • Art by Oldrabbit
Re: The high cost of medical care.
« Reply #21 on: September 03, 2016, 10:23:43 am »
Free health care is never free.  Ask any country with "free" health care what their taxes look like to pay for that care.  Its a single-payer system and you all pay in taxes to maintain it.  I wish people would stop saying "free health care" because it simply isn't so.

I'm not saying much in this conversation simply because I don't have health problems, don't need prescription meds, and if I did maybe my take on such a thing might be different.  I frankly don't know what it is like to have to pay for high medical costs regularly, and I won't pretend to.

This is true. Just paying what the health industry wants with government health care would
cause the need for higher taxes. They would need to have price controls as well.. People are
paying over $6000.00 a year for family health insurance. So why not just pay it in tax instead.
The extra tax would likely be less than the premium anyway. A person out of work would still
have coverage instead of loosing all they own, not counting the loss to the hospital or doctor.

Free interprise only works well when you have good compitition, but with health care people rarely
have the option of going around looking for the lowest cost. Also unlike buying a product where
they could say "That's too high" they may have to take it or die.

The cost of health care didn't use to be a real problem. You could go to the doctor or even a
hospital for reasonable cost. Doctor visit would cost less than a days pay. A hospital visit could be
less than a months pay. On average at least. Over the years though these prices have gone up over
10 % a year. Much more than inflation so now you can't afford health care without insurance.

So it kind of slipped up on us. Like the frog in the pot of water. They turned up the heat slowly
and now we are being cooked.. Trouble is so many have insurance they don't even worry about
the price. They just hand them a card and nothing else. Then when they hear people fuss about
the cost they think. I don't want to change it. I get good coverage and the government would
mess it up for me and mine. That is until they loose their coverage.

Another thing there could be private hospitals for people who want fancy health care and
can afford to pay for it. They already have fancy Nursing homes for people who have the money
to pay for them.

Also pay rewards to people who find overcharges and cheating in medical bills.
« Last Edit: September 04, 2016, 08:40:59 am by Old Rabbit »
oldrabbit.com
Avatar drawn by me.

Offline Loc

  • Tea-obsessed transhumanist and Buddhist.
  • Species: Cyborg snow leopard
  • The ending of the words is ALMSIVI.
  • *
  • Female
  • Posts: 4259
Re: The high cost of medical care.
« Reply #22 on: September 03, 2016, 10:40:18 am »
I live in the UK. I know what our taxes are like. They aren't that bad. And still more manageable than having to pay a few hundred thousand if you suddenly get ill.

Yeah, I'll stick by our slightly higher tax rates and free healthcare, thanks.

Avatar by Shibara,  sig by Miser

0.1.0 carrot tail leopard gecko, Gelbstoff
0.1.0 bearded dragon, Dany
0.0.1 amel stripe het hypo corn snake, Vivec

Offline Rocket T. Coyote

  • Hero Member
  • Species: Canis Latrans Rocketus
  • The Furry Model Rocketeer
  • *****
  • Male
  • Posts: 1806
Re: The high cost of medical care.
« Reply #23 on: September 06, 2016, 03:29:11 pm »
I looked at the least expensive plan on the exchange and my doctor wasn't listed as among those accepting the plan. IIRC, there were no doctors in my area on that plan. So--Though I could have health insurance--and not face penalties at tax time--I would not have health care. Then there are the ridiculous high deductibles if you do become seriously ill. We're talking thousands of dollars to front before the insurance takes over.  So either pay higher premiums for a "Platinum" plan, or have something in the bank for a rainy day.

I know people who have had their work hours reduced so their employers would not have to provide health insurance. My pre-tax FLEX  benefit was dropped as well. All consequences of the so-called ACA.
"The coyote is a living, breathing allegory of Want. He is always hungry. He is always poor, out of luck, and friendless. The meanest creatures despise him. And even the fleas would dessert him for a velocipide."~Mark Twain
(Baps the old humorist.)

Offline Old Rabbit

  • Species: Rabbit Artist
  • Offical Birthday Wisher.
  • *
  • Male
  • Posts: 14296
    • Art by Oldrabbit
Re: The high cost of medical care.
« Reply #24 on: September 07, 2016, 10:01:46 am »
The GOP controlled congress could have fixed the problems that the ACA has, but they only want
to kill it for political reasons. They don't care if we have affordable health care. Like many things
Obama wants. If his fingers are on it we kill it attude. Even if it's something they want.

People blaim Obama for many things, but Congress has their fingerprints on most of it. He has
made mistakes. After all he is only human. The GOP won't admit it, but the economy has grown
since he has been in office. He helped save the auto industry, and the unemployment is under 5%.
oldrabbit.com
Avatar drawn by me.