Post by: Darius Greywind on February 10, 2005, 03:18:53 pm
Post by: Spike on February 10, 2005, 01:55:09 pm
| Quote (Burr @ Jan. 24 2005, 9:25 pm) |
| I got some Italian in me, some other European stuff too though. Quite the mutt. |
Italian and Spanish.
Yea...hair... 
Post by: on July 18, 2004, 06:05:19 am
I would be the first inline! god it would be so bloody awsome!
Hopefully the people in genetic research and what not get off there lazy butt's and get to work!
Post by: zwabbe on July 18, 2004, 05:56:47 am
The same technique they use to make fur on creatures with prostetics..
It would take ages, And you could probably even do it to yourself...
With the right needle
All they do is insert hair after hair after with a bit of glue on it to keep it in....Might be lots of little painful pricks but it can be done.. and if you didnt want to do it yourself you would have to pay someone heaps..
and you can already get face resonstructions and stuff...
So it can already be done.. Its just the accuatully getting it done and paying for it...
Post by: Richy on July 17, 2004, 05:51:57 am
I think that it could happen, though, what keeps popping into my mind is the idea about the mentaility that could possibly develop. That it'd generally be treated as a 'fad,' and that it could become a hip thing to do for a while, but then lose its popularity the way huge and baggy jeans did after the late '90s.
As it is recently, we tend to loose interest in things pretty rapidly as a society in general. Hell, in the ninties, we went through more style changes then I could possibly recall, and we definately couldn't settle on anything for any real length of time.
Of course, all those who perminantly altered themselves would then have to deal with the fact that they could possibly find themselves out-of-date within a considerably short time.
That's a scary thought, and if we did start seeing things like massive reconstruction like described in this thread, to avoid becoming just another victim of the fad bug, we'd have to steer clear of jumping in, ourselves, until we're pretty much certain that it's not leaving anytime soon.
Though, the simple fact that the majority would be hesitant would possibly be the very thing that makes it become just a passing fad.
See the catch 22?
Personally, I don't think that I'd be all too eager to jump on it myself, if for only for that reason . . . aside the fact that we're not talking about being our characters and acutally wanting to simply become something physically different.
This topic isn't like the other thread where we were asked if we'd like to be our fantasy 'characters' if given the chance--something that I'd be more willing to be apart of. This question takes everything to a different level in which, if the possibility arose, would we literally reconfigure our bodies in a medical sense--aside from all fantasy and the like.
Post by: Zarathus on July 17, 2004, 04:44:35 am
Post by: Nohbdy_121 on July 17, 2004, 12:15:58 am
I tend to be more worried about the chemicals we consume each day than genetics. One thing that I'm hugely against on genetics though: patenting genes. I could understand perhaps the patenting of the manufacturing proccess, but the byproduct: genes? No. No way at all.
Post by: Shadowhawk on July 18, 2004, 01:24:29 am
I think we'll see enhancements on a genetic level with regards to speed, agility, eyesight & hearing, etc., drawn from animal genes and worked as a mutation, up to and including cosmetic alterations such as changing the structure of the human ear to more match animals (pointed ear cup shape, for example), rather than a true engineered hybridization (which is probably not possible even thru future science).
Would I want such alterations? Certainly!
Post by: SalemFuchs on July 10, 2004, 07:22:00 pm
| Quote (Fox G4 @ July 06 2004, 7:00 pm) |
| When these transformation topics come up I always seem to think of that morphs episode from Batman Beyond... |
LOL me too!
And I can agree with the rest of your statement aswell. It will be made illegal (if not banned completely).
Post by: Shana-chan on July 10, 2004, 12:49:43 pm
So, although you wouldn't be able to wag the tail without intense stem cell research, yes. It would be possible.
However, if the Bush administration ever leaves the office, stem cell research could become better. We could finally cure alzheimers and cancer, and we could create new body parts without having to take old ones, and, in this, would probably eliminate the possibility of the body rejecting it, and we could even create new ears, feet, hands, and tails for those who wish to truly become furry (and are insanely rich).
But.. that's just what I believe. ^_^
Post by: CornishSkankRabbit on July 10, 2004, 10:58:03 am
| Quote (Kris Fox @ July 10 2004, 2:31 am) |
| (They grew an ear on a rat, why not a tail on a person) |
Actually they didn't.
OK they did. Kinda.
What they did is they made an ear shaped mould out of some sort of organic matrix, and grafted artificial skin cells onto it, which than to grew in the shape of said ear, while the mould degraded away underneath. At least I think that's how it works. It's what they do with burns victims.
It's still creepy.
Anyway, they could probably do it in a few decades.
Whether they'll be allowed to is another matter.
Post by: Autumn Fire on July 10, 2004, 08:34:18 am
Post by: lil_pup on July 10, 2004, 05:04:54 am
Post by: Kris Fox on July 10, 2004, 02:31:11 am
(They grew an ear on a rat, why not a tail on a person)
But that it would be illegal, Geneticly (altered) humans is a verry touchy subject.
I think a determined Scientist would take sutch a procedure to a third world country and offer his services there. Now that would attrack real opertunities.
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Post by: Pillowmint on July 06, 2004, 03:04:40 pm
Post by: Wanda on July 06, 2004, 03:10:34 pm
Post by: Kamui on July 06, 2004, 03:11:00 pm
Would be cool if they had the ability now though
Post by: Rosalie on July 06, 2004, 03:19:30 pm
if its not way way expensive
Post by: on July 06, 2004, 03:22:39 pm
| Quote (Rosalie @ July 06 2004, 3:19 pm) |
| Well I said yes. And when it does become possible. Im going to have it done if its not way way expensive |
*laughs* Right, how much is plastic surgery these days? Imagine how much more work will have to be done (wiring in the tail, or wings, or allowing vocalizations). I don't think it will be available to anyone poorer than Bill Gates.
Post by: on July 06, 2004, 03:27:22 pm
Post by: on July 06, 2004, 05:45:03 pm
But, no doctor will want perform it because of the "morality" issues.
Post by: Choky on July 06, 2004, 05:58:05 pm
Post by: Fox G4 on July 06, 2004, 07:00:23 pm
Part of me wants to say yes, it'll be possible because it's going to benefit somebody and of course make somebody else rich along the way. But then there's the social and moral implications, not to mention the level of experimentation that will be involved before the procedure (assuming it's ever going to happen) is made perfect. And what of laws? You'll bet it'll be illegal in the states and numerous other first or second world countries probably. So people wanting to have an anthro operation will have to go to some other remote region of the world. Think Dr. Kevorkian...*shudder*
This funny story always makes me think of the consequences such a procedure might have.
Anyway, this article mentions that there is at least one person out there working on it. But I'm still skeptical.
Post by: cakith on July 07, 2004, 03:10:34 am
Post by: P_Z on July 07, 2004, 04:32:12 am
Post by: on July 07, 2004, 04:36:55 am
Post by: on July 07, 2004, 09:26:28 am
I wouldn't go through with it, since I'm not really a furry. But if everyone had to have it done, it wouldn't bother me.
Post by: Ante on July 07, 2004, 11:05:25 am
Post by: on July 07, 2004, 11:11:45 am
My one concern is where the parts would come from.
Someone who wants tail...I hope no one goes out and chops the tail off of an animal
Post by: TigerWiccan on July 07, 2004, 11:29:50 am
I have a GURPS (a "pen and paper" roleplaying game I haven't played in ages, heh) book called Biotech that has all that kinda stuff in it. I like lookin in it and seeing all the "modifications" they came up with.
Post by: Nahuel on July 07, 2004, 12:08:09 pm
I wonder how they'll do it though...
Plastic surgery type implants or completely messing up the genetic structure?
Post by: Raust Shieldra on July 07, 2004, 12:46:55 pm
Raust Shieldra
Post by: Draco on July 07, 2004, 02:35:38 pm
wit the way the fur community is looking now. its going to get bigger real soon
Post by: Ulario on July 08, 2004, 12:16:05 pm
| Quote (raging gryphon @ July 07 2004, 12:46 pm) |
| I voted no, because I personaly wouldn't want to be an anthro gryphon. If I was going to make the change I would go all the way to full gryphon . I wouldn't want to do it just to be all feathery, I would desire the full power and grace that is a gryphon. Simply having some gryphonic traits just wouldn't do for me. Raust Shieldra |
Hey now, I'm just as powerful and graceful as you. :P
As for the surgery, it will probably happen if we keep trying to play god... though I'll probably be dead or too old to give a damn.
Even though I really want to be my fursona, I wouldn't go through the surgery even if I could, because I know that I wouldn't have the full beauty and flying grace that is my fursona. Plus the risks would be too great, I could easily die under the knife, and that risk just isn't worth it.
Post by: siiwolf on July 08, 2004, 01:10:15 pm
Post by: Raust Shieldra on July 08, 2004, 01:19:09 pm
| Quote (Ulario @ July 08 2004, 12:16 pm) | ||
Hey now, I'm just as powerful and graceful as you. :P As for the surgery, it will probably happen if we keep trying to play god... though I'll probably be dead or too old to give a damn. Even though I really want to be my fursona, I wouldn't go through the surgery even if I could, because I know that I wouldn't have the full beauty and flying grace that is my fursona. Plus the risks would be too great, I could easily die under the knife, and that risk just isn't worth it. |
I didn't mean to imply that you weren't *v*. I just like the gryphon as a whole rather than just some major triats. I don't want part of a gryphon for myself, I want it all. Don't get me wrong I love anthro gryphons as well, it's just in my eyes and heart nothing beats the majestic sight of a non-morphic gryphon on the wing.
Raust Shieldra
Post by: Fire_Aurora on July 08, 2004, 02:22:54 pm
Post by: on July 08, 2004, 04:44:39 pm
he had teeth, and face like cat! (tatoos not real fur)
maybe on of the first anthro's
Post by: Kris Fox on July 08, 2004, 08:10:13 pm
It will be some Dr. Moro type genetisyst from Japan.
It would start with geneticaly modified human embrios.
But If I'm lucky he will move on to altering living humans. Once I see good results sign me up.
Post by: Admiral Purge on July 08, 2004, 08:29:51 pm
Firstus, It's @ Furthing publishes articles on the topic semi-regularly. I have talked extensively with the author and he seems to think that real, live anthropomorphs can become a reality, and soon. I tend to believe him. I do not intend this as an advertisement for the organization, merely as a statement of it's relevance to and information concerning the topic.
Second, to stay abreast of the happenings in the BioMedical Engineering community (they develop the technology that ultimately can [will] allow for these procedures) I reccomend BME net ... simply click on the "what's new" link and you will be taken to a large database containing articles on new technologies relevant to the field.
Post by: Melina on July 08, 2004, 11:12:01 pm
Post by: Admiral Purge on July 08, 2004, 11:47:39 pm
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Post by: Jheryn Lightfoot on January 10, 2005, 11:08:38 pm
| Quote (Fire_Aurora @ July 08 2004, 2:22 pm) |
| Well if you ever watch Ripley's Believe it or not, there are already anthro operations, bodies covered in tatoos, whiskers surgically implanted, and teeth operated on to look like cat teeth. Its already a reality!!! |
I agree...
If you see the episode...his name is cat...
he split his upper lip and put in something to make his cheeks and stuff puffy...he has whiskers and tiger stripe (tattoos) least i think he does if i remember correctly...he also has tiger-like claws...sharp finger nails...
I thought it was quite neat...I think I would go for it if I had the chance ^_^
Post by: Burr on January 10, 2005, 11:25:46 pm
Post by: Kassandra_Haymer on January 11, 2005, 01:42:56 am
:..2-2-7..:
Post by: Hat-Kun on January 11, 2005, 06:33:33 am
But when the times comes and if I had plenty of spare cash lying around, I wouldn't mind opting in to getting a patch of fur put on my chest.
Post by: Twilight on January 11, 2005, 08:56:28 am
that would be sooo cool! i would definitely be in line for those surgeries asap (with the exception of cash of course) but the rate we are going with plastic surgery many things will be possible in even say 5 10 or 15 years think of the possibilities oh yeah and i voted yes!
Post by: Kale on January 11, 2005, 09:26:22 am
Post by: MaxBrains on January 11, 2005, 06:50:44 pm
At this point, medical science is making leaps and bounds in the understanding of physiology, but is still limited in the ways it can be changed to treat ailments. Generally there are only two means to this effect: drugs and surgery. Drugs aren't as well understood as one would hope and have often proven to have an equal and opposite reaction, and surgery is limited in scope, difficult, expensive, and poses myriad risks.
For the purpose of treating disease and injury, medical science is far more capable than it was a century ago. However, it would be foolish to use the limited medicine of today for anything else. Those who modify their bodies into the image of animals have been left to the ingenuity of not doctors but artists. The practice of such extreme modification will require techniques that will cater to both.
The future likely holds such devices as those similar to the replicators in the Star Trek series of television and cinematic productions. Using cold fusion technology the properties of anything, including living forms, can be altered to the precise specifications of the user. This heralds in a time when one can change "species" as easily as one would change clothes. And it's closer than you think.
Form versus function is an important question in making these determinations. Some, and not even critics, have raised the fact that a real life furry would not look as flattering as depicted in paper and digital media. Regardless, the capability to emulate the forms and functions of animals raises interesting possibilities.
Some might equate becoming an anthro furry to wearing a fursuit, but it is much more than that. Being able to modify the human form into anything does not simply mean one can be a furry, but one can look to nature to enhance human engineering. Any combination of features for form and function can be utilized, making it possible to live comfortably not wearing a fursuit but being one.
For instance, being the size of a human, covered in luxurious fur (and hopefully wearing some clothing) and unable to sweat may be quite hot in the literal sense, but having large ears like a fennec fox that radiate heat could help offset this, not to mention funnel sound far better than human ears.
Whether such a thing is ethical now is a moot question. I am confident that the development of such technology will have an effect on society much more profound than the ability to look like an animal. This type of socialogical singularity is impossible to predict, but one thing that one can always predict is thus: make it possible and it will happen.
Post by: Lost_Cause on January 11, 2005, 07:02:13 pm
It’s illegal and will immediately result in the revoking of any medical licence for a doctor to alter the human body away from the perceived norm.
Apparently breast implants are the exception to that
And genetic science isn’t in to much better a state
About 499 in every 500 attempts to create a clone fail
At the moment genetically altering a living animal is rather limited
They made some rather brawny rats
Introducing an active gene for muscle development into the muscles using an engineered virus
Post by: robokin on January 11, 2005, 08:53:07 pm
But would I do it? No. I would rather wait until we have fully functional mechanical limbs and organs and become a mechanical being rather than an animal.A cyborg if you will.
Post by: Dixie Landoe on January 11, 2005, 11:04:06 pm
I am personally quite for the science of gene therapy. it'd be the way to create the perfect, or at least superior, being. to me, that perfect being would be the anthropomorph. I believe that it is the solution to human weakness. it would give them claws, fangs, fur, heightened senses, everything one could possibly desire in that sense. I disregard all moral values in this sense due to the fact that I cannot get around how much I have always desired to see this as a reality.
I would jump for the chance to undertake the process, as I have given much thought into what a real-life anthro person would look like (without ink and cartoonish appearance), and believe this form to be superior both genetically and in looks. I believe that not only would the adaptations to the body be more advanced using this science, but I find that the human body would be even MORE attractive that way.
however, I must also point out that this reflects how I want to live. I have a personal preference for the wilderness over the city, so I would do better with heightened senses and the works. also, since my personal fighting style does not require the use of firearms and goes more towards natural weapons, I cannot begin to describe the improvement I would experience to my life by the addition of claws and fangs and fur and the likes.
but anyway, that's my two cents. to avoid being too serious I will go no further.
Post by: Black Foot on January 12, 2005, 01:56:33 am
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| Well I said yes. And when it does become possible. Im going to have it done if its not way way expensive |
if sumtime in the near future sciencetist can use & modiy the contents in Nucluar waste then they mite have a fighint chance that mite happen but whos know what would happen from now til the future O by the way I voted yes cuz I see all these cartoon/drawn pictures of anthropomorphic furries and how they look I think it would be totally AWESOME cuz if we had fur it would keep us warm in the winter and our furry ears would help us hear better and if we all had a muzzle/snout/etc then we could smell alot better and farther as well.
Post by: Willy on January 12, 2005, 04:27:31 pm
I'd do it though, if there was any way.
Post by: AladTheAnthroMeerkat on January 13, 2005, 01:33:07 pm
And there's not very much i can add to the topic - seems that everyone else has said it for me.
Post by: Ketsuna Duriane on January 13, 2005, 01:50:59 pm
Post by: on January 13, 2005, 02:26:04 pm
LMTO
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Post by: Kiithnaras on January 19, 2005, 06:48:10 pm
There's also a little snag, though, that the world, according to the Mayan calendar, will end on Dec 24th, 2012. Now, they said this cycle of creation, not the end of existance. They could be synonymous, but somehow I doubt it. It could very well mean that creation will be remade and begin another cycle, which might also bring about the appearance of anthros, especially if we have any say in it.
Post by: Scani on January 19, 2005, 06:53:43 pm
- Fur: Well, all someone has to do is come up with a full-body Rogaine drug. Certain fur patterns could be obtained by, say, tattooing the skin and hoping that it colours the hair as it grows out. (Grooming would be a problem, obviously, because the thing is it would just keep on growing).
- Face changes (muzzle, etc.) - Enough time under the knife of a plastic surgeon. We've seen it done. You stick some fat, or cartilage, or something like that to imitate a muzzle and anything is possible. Ears are the tough part, but you may not have to do away with them depending on how far microphone technology advances allowing you to transmit signals into the original ear canals.
- Tail: Not too much of an extension, because humans technically already have a tail of sorts, being chordates. Actually getting movement of the tail would require some work in stem-cell research, something that is pretty controversial as it is, but if it was good enough for Christopher Reeve...
- Extremities: *shrug* Can be done. Pads might be the difficulty, not sure how they'd do that.
It is the *genetic* creation of an anthro that is much more difficult, and much more potentially immoral. I will not comment on it at this time, as I believe that it is a long ways away.
And of course, do cosmetic change and it's much more difficult and expensive to reverse.
Hey, if it gets cheap and I need 15 minutes of fame, I'd do it.
Post by: MaxBrains on January 19, 2005, 07:18:14 pm
We're going to have to be patient.
Post by: Burr on January 19, 2005, 07:44:14 pm
| Quote (Scani @ Jan. 19 2005, 6:53 pm) |
| - Fur: Well, all someone has to do is come up with a full-body Rogaine drug. |
Meh I already look like I've been using a full body Rogaine drug, so at least I already got that down. Feels good to be furry.. err.. hairy.
Post by: Fuzzy on January 24, 2005, 07:58:32 pm
| Quote (Fire_Aurora @ July 08 2004, 2:22 pm) |
| Well if you ever watch Ripley's Believe it or not, there are already anthro operations, bodies covered in tatoos, whiskers surgically implanted, and teeth operated on to look like cat teeth. Its already a reality!!! |
Oh Stalkingcat! I know him in person ^_^ his claws on his hands are great for scritching.
I did a video interview of him for school once too.
*edit: here is his website http://www.stalkingcat.net/
Post by: Scani on January 24, 2005, 08:09:41 pm
Another Italian? Hehe... >.>
(is Italian, and not very hairy)
-- Scani Lupena
Post by: Burr on January 24, 2005, 08:25:37 pm
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Post by: Bladewolf Carlile on February 05, 2005, 11:17:50 am
If it does happen I would become a wolf-human hybrid anyday, i just hope that the moral issue don't slow it down too much.
if its between the op of gene threopy ill got for gene therory
Post by: Twilight on February 11, 2005, 06:39:45 am
Post by: Frozencat on February 11, 2005, 09:31:00 am
anyway, i said yes, just because i want a tail.
And i woul not have it done if it came from an animal.
Post by: Firehazard on February 12, 2005, 05:14:50 pm
I personally think that where there's a will, there will one day be a way. According to this thread on another board (scroll down to the 5th post), the human brain can supposedly adapt to, for instance, an implanted tail if it's done right. And as for fur, you could probably have real animal fur implanted with the same thing they use to do those hair-transplants for bald people. That would take care of the markings too.
I'm a Christian but I don't really see anything I could object to about this; if someone wants to alter their species let 'em do it. All the stem-cell research involved would be animal stem cells (or so it would seem), and I have no problem with that. The only reason people could possibly complain about this is because it's "unnatural." *Pfsheh!* I myself wouldn't mind having such an operation done, but only if it would produce a complete transformation -- I would consider anything inbetween to be freakish. Seriously, that cat guy is scary!
Post by: Simo on February 12, 2005, 05:30:30 pm
(Although I do believe that foxes would make better "raw material" in that the genome of fox-kind is more unstable, and, hence, more malleable. Furthermore, foxes are already more intelligent than any canine, so there'd be less mods that the vulpine brain would require to push the intelligence into full-blown sapience -- they aren't that far off as it is.)
This will be do-able, probably by 2015, if not sooner. Secondly, there are a few universal desires that all human beings have, that cross all cultural lines, that have appeared in every culture ranging from primitive "savages" to the most sophisticated civilizations. One of these was the dream of flight. From ancient Indian writings of many thousands of years ago that describe aircraft in loving and exact detail (they even had a name for an airplane -- vimhana -- millenia before the Wright Bros. came along. To the little golden figurines of supersonic jet aircraft that the pre-Columbian Inca made, and so on...
The other one is human/animal combinations. They exist in the literature, mythology, and folk-lore of every culture. Over sixty years before the discovery of DNA, H. G. Wells speculated on how it might be possible to create RL Furries: The Island of Dr. Moreau. Given the desire for this, and the ability to do so... well, if a thing can be done, it will be done.
Some day, every restuarant and convenience store will be posting signs in the window that read:
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No shoes No shirt No fur No service |
Post by: Tawn-Cherie on February 13, 2005, 09:33:00 pm
. Meh, anyhows, ghr gold (i think thats its name), some drug I heard about on z103.5 during an interview stimulates the growth hormone to reduce and reverse the effects of aging. I don't know if this is true or if it works, but hell they made it sound good! It makes you think, wow immortality is in our reach, lets take things like this, the next step. Hell if we can look twenty years younger in some cases, why not be anthro etc.? I mean, like I said I beleive there was a man whom got a cat tail? I don't quite recall. But we can allready replace peoples skin when they are terribley burned, implant hair, recreate noses, etc etc, so why not get some wolf ears etc? Of course, thing like this would be more difficult, you'd have to reroute ones entire hearing system thingy, yea. lol. Well its there, its reachable, as long as there are people who want this to exist, it will. Hell, i've been thinking on entering this sorta hting for my career, perhaps I will, get us all soem tails eh? lol
Post by: Darkchi Ragnorok on February 14, 2005, 06:47:30 am
Post by: Simo on February 14, 2005, 04:58:18 pm
If I were to become an anthro, I'd probably choose my secondary fursona for that: the red fox. Now, I wouldn't mind being hunted. I'll equip my "earth" with one of these (in effect, turning a den into a "pillbox"):
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Minigun This is a great close-up of the minigun in its mounting. Each could fire at 3,000 or 6,000 rounds per minute... |
Cast those foxhounds! Tally-ho, baby!
Post by: Tawn-Cherie on February 14, 2005, 07:13:40 pm
Ye, but technolcly, still originating from humans, and having the same intelligance, would be really hard for hunting. and people would be uncertain with the government if such was allowed. lol. And there would be lots of contraversy with anthro/ human breeding. O.o And all that other junk. Meh, still worth it. 
Post by: Simo on February 15, 2005, 01:03:15 pm
That goes to how these anthros are made. If you were to take human embryos, such as all the left-overs they have on ice from in-vitro's, and do some genetic mods to create animal features and fur, what you'd have are just cosmetic differences. Basically, a new, artificial race. In that case, acceptance wouldn't be difficult. As for breeding in this case, I'd expect the anthro features to breed out pretty quick.
As for the other possibility, re-engineering animal genomes to produce intelligence, to create a whole new species, here, it becomes a bit more difficult. To this day, you still have these so-called "scientists" who go out of their way to deny the existance of non-human animal intelligence. I pulled this off a web site about red foxes the other day:
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Q: Why help your parents raise their offspring, surely it is better for you (genetically speaking) to move away and have your own? A: Intuitively this does seem like the best option - leave the family home, produce your own offspring, thus ensuring that your genes make it to the next generation. Indeed, Evolutionary Theory states that individuals of a species that are most physically and behaviourally "fit" for their environment will leave more offspring than less fit individuals. However, if you think about it, by helping your parents raise their subsequent broods (i.e. your brothers and sisters) you are getting some of your genes into the next generation. You have half your mother's and half of your father's genes, and so too will each of your younger brothers and sisters. Therefore, you are as closely related to your full siblings as you are to your own offspring. Consequently, by sticking around and helping with the maternal and paternal chores, you are increasing the survival rate of your younger brothers and sisters and thereby nursing your own genes into subsequent generations. Okay, so you're not strictly getting your own genetic material into the next generation, but the genetic line -- of which you are a part -- is being maintained with your assistance. |
This is "socio-biology", a pseudoscience invented by a dip-5|-|17 named Edward O. Wilson, to deny animal intelligence. So, rather than simply accept the obvious: foxes love and cherish their mates and offspring: that the companionship is more important than the reduction of the demand for food in the territory. They have them "counting chromosomes" (Does a fox know what a chromosome is?! ) to avoid what's manifestly obvious ( and running right into the greatest BS detector of all time: Occam's Razor).
If your "anthros" were still mostly the animals of their origin, would they be as accepted? Here, one really needs to wonder.
Post by: Firehazard on February 15, 2005, 04:55:06 pm
Post by: Simo on February 16, 2005, 01:20:26 am
Remember, if a thing can be done, it will be done: sooner or later. Indeed, they have the perfect excuse to use those frozen embryos: ownership is often unclear, the original parents decided they didn't want any more kids, etc. So now they're on ice, doing nothing, and ultimately may just be thawed out and thrown away. Some would argue, and not without merit, that living as a "half-animal" beats hell out of not living at all. How would it be "much worse" (than what?) if that's the way they've always been?
Does that mean that it should be done? Probably not.
Then, again, they shouldn't be fuxxoring with, let's say, fox genes in order to create an intelligent vulpine anthro. Would you like to explain to it why it probably won't be there to see its 25th birthday?
Indeed, the way they're already screwing around with genes, the possibility that the first RL Furry will be an accident is quite high.
Post by: Black Foot on February 16, 2005, 02:06:03 am
Post by: Miles on March 10, 2005, 12:22:55 pm
Post by: Firehazard on March 28, 2005, 04:34:02 pm
| Quote (Simo @ Feb. 16 2005, 1:20 am) |
| Remember, if a thing can be done, it will be done: sooner or later. Indeed, they have the perfect excuse to use those frozen embryos: ownership is often unclear, the original parents decided they didn't want any more kids, etc. So now they're on ice, doing nothing, and ultimately may just be thawed out and thrown away. Some would argue, and not without merit, that living as a "half-animal" beats hell out of not living at all. |
Great Glaven's ghost, you've got a point there!
| Quote (Simo @ Feb. 16 2005, 1:20 am) |
| Does that mean that it should be done? Probably not. Then, again, they shouldn't be fuxxoring with, let's say, fox genes in order to create an intelligent vulpine anthro. Would you like to explain to it why it probably won't be there to see its 25th birthday? |
That one's easy; they already have an idea how to alter DNA to stretch one's lifespan; the only drawback is that the proportions would remain intact, so a wolf, for instance, would take a mere seven years to grow up.
Post by: Pepper Porcupine on March 30, 2005, 01:34:46 am
But only on the condition that it would have already become fairly common place. I don't want to be the only half-human walking around.
Post by: Mika Feldy on March 30, 2005, 01:39:43 am
Heres problem I noticed. Many animals kill when provoked. Meaning that the number of murders in the world could increase greatly once anthro surgery becomes a reality (unless the surgery is only cosmetic).