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Title: How will you achieve utopia?
Post by: Mylo on February 06, 2013, 10:51:02 pm
What is your vision for a utopia-like society?  If you don't want to think about that as a whole, what is your personal utopia?  I'm using the word a bit freely here, but I mean for utopia to mean a place or state of things where you and everyone (or yourself if it is a personal utopia) are happy/satisfied. 

You can think as big as you want or as small as you want.
Title: Re: How will you achieve utopia?
Post by: Kobuk on February 06, 2013, 11:05:21 pm
When I think of the word "utopia", the word "perfection" (as well as other words) usually come to mind. Sorry, but in my mind, nothing will ever be "perfect". There is no such thing as a true utopia. Those who believe or seek utopia/perfection are on a foolish idealistic crusade. They will never get what they seek because it does not exist and never will.
Title: Re: How will you achieve utopia?
Post by: Mylo on February 06, 2013, 11:20:20 pm
When I think of the word "utopia", the word "perfection" (as well as other words) usually come to mind. Sorry, but in my mind, nothing will ever be "perfect". There is no such thing as a true utopia. Those who believe or seek utopia/perfection are on a foolish idealistic crusade. They will never get what they seek because it does not exist and never will.

So you will never be happy for at least an extended period?  If the answer is that you would, what would cause that?  I'm not really using the word "utopia" to mean absolute perfection here.  Rather, how good can you make things to where you (or if you want, and other people) are satisfied?
Title: Re: How will you achieve utopia?
Post by: Old Rabbit on February 07, 2013, 12:54:42 pm
The Borg in TNG lived in a type of Utopian society.  All thought the same,
worked for the benefit, and advancement of the whole. No sadness or happiness.
for the individual, just existence.

There was another form of Utopia shown on TNG I can't remember
the name. But they controled their society by killing those who
broke the rules. No matter how small the crime. Probably would
keep the population from getting too high. :P If nothing else.

Carl Marx felt a type of utopia could be created with communism.

The problem with a Utopia  is it goes against human nature. I fear it
will always be so unless we are changed to be like the Borg.  x_x

We humans need rewards in life, to have control of our existence,
a better life for our descendants.

I wouldn't want to live in a utopia/society that didn't recognize
the individual.  A society where your every move or action was
monitored so you could be corrected for every mistake or wrong
deed.  Who would want to live like that?

I really don't think there ever will be a Utopia where
everyone is happy/satisfied. Humanity would need to
be mentally perfect. There will always be variations in
personallity and thought. Otherwise we wouldn't be
humans, we would be machines.




Title: Re: How will you achieve utopia?
Post by: Ziel on February 07, 2013, 08:17:33 pm
I'll have to answer this more in the life goals/ideals sense. It's rather simple for me. My personal utopia (in some sense) would be making enough money doing something that I actually like to do, and living close enough to some of my best friends to be able to see them in person more than just a few times a year.
Title: Re: How will you achieve utopia?
Post by: Yip on February 08, 2013, 05:25:44 am
I agree with others here that I don't think we'll ever have a perfect society.  However, I do think society is improving and will continue to improve. And I suspect great things to come in the future due to advancements in science and technology. I'm not certain if these things will happen in my lifetime  :'(, but they will happen.

So I suppose my answer has to be: SCIENCE!
Title: Re: How will you achieve utopia?
Post by: charcoal on February 08, 2013, 01:27:33 pm
no more ignorance toward another living thing