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« Reply #50 on: February 04, 2003, 10:15:31 am »
Howls all.

Oh, man I want to be able to write this without swallowing my paw up to my knee.  I have to say that I am wired up to be with females, although, now, I don't think I could ever date outside of furry.  Most of the human females I've been with think I'm weird, and I think the same thing about them.  ie: I broke up with a girl. because she said "The Lion King" was a New Age film.  I have not yet dated a furry female and would love to go out with one.   And no, I am now not scared to have gay friends.  I must admit I was quite the redneck about it a while back, but when my sister was a dancer, I met some of her homosexual friends, and I discovered that they are not monsters.  Recently, I befriended Chaz Heartwolf when he still lived in Hampton.  I now count him and his male mate as two of my very best friends and packmates.  I am also very protective of them.    I truly worry about them living in Texas.  When they move back to VA, will I hang out with them?  Of course, I will.  I never had brothers, so I adopted them as my brothers.  

I think it's hard enough being a furry, straight, gay, or bi.

I'm rambling.  I will go now.

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« Reply #51 on: February 04, 2003, 01:56:14 pm »
Quote (Job @ Feb. 04 2003, 2:22 am)
I think we could all learn a thing or two from... southpark, heh heh. Really the episode about tolerence was a good  one in that it showed that you could still tolerate something you didn't except, and it can still piss you off, but of course all people will never be tolerent, and i don't know anyone who is completely tolerent of everything they don't agree with. It's hard to say what's right and wrong in this world sometimes. Though i don't see anything truely wrong with being bi/gay I'm sure some people do. Mostly it's probobly religion. I myself am christian (obviously not the most devot christian in the world) and i can see where the whole 'unatural' thing comes from. Maybe man wasn't meant to sleep with man, but i love my boyfriend and would do anything for him. anyways sorry for the rant.

'Tolerance' is an interesting concept.  Like I think you were saying in your post, someone might not support or follow something that another person does, but can still tollerate it.  The topic of religion is a bit touchy.  I'm not religious myself, but I do know that some Christians believe gay relationships are 'unnatural', like you said.  I don't really know why - perhaps there were some evil people in the Bible that were gay, or something, I don't know.  Personally, I don't care what any religion thinks about gay relationships.  I am (nearly sure that I'm) gay, and I love my mate very much, and no-one will hearten me.
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« Reply #52 on: February 04, 2003, 02:02:48 pm »
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Saying man wasn't meant to sleep with man, as alot of animals in the natural world do it.

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But the main point is as long as you love the person/furson you are with, what sex or furry animal they are doesn't matter. does it ?

First point, well question:  What animals have homosexual tendancies?  I'm not really an expert on animals in general, but I thought that they were all pretty much straight - in order to breed, and keep their species alive.

Your second point:  I agree.  I have never thought to myself 'I will never love a female' or 'I will never love a male', because in doing that, I'd be nessecarily (sp) cutting half of my 'chances' for want of a better word.  It just so happens that I've ended up loving another male, but that is no matter to me.  If he was the same person inside, just female, I'd know I'd still love him/her.  I hope that made sense.
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« Reply #53 on: February 04, 2003, 03:19:36 pm »
Well, my male dog has any a time tried to um.... hump my male cat <0.o>. but just because animals do it doesn't make it 'natural' in sense i meant.  I mean lots of things happen an nature that aren't the way they are supposed to be... er... Anyway man was (occording to the bible) meant to be with woman. If that is true or not, i dunno, as i am not the most strong in my faith, but i still try to hold onto it. In that sense it is unnatural (going against the way nature, or God, or what ever you may think, intended it) for two men to have sex. Funny how in the bible it says for men not to sleep with men but nothing about women sleeping with women, so i wonder if lesbians are ok? Any how, If being gay is a sin i don't think it can be too bad a sin. My German/bible teacher always said she believed that it was important to follow your own morals. So, maybe I wont burn in hell after all <^.^>. Eitherway  I shall continue to be with my boyfriend, whom I love more than i ever loved anyone. I'd gladly risk going to hell to be with him.
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« Reply #54 on: February 04, 2003, 04:17:44 pm »
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First point, well question:  What animals have homosexual tendancies?  I'm not really an expert on animals in general, but I thought that they were all pretty much straight - in order to breed, and keep their species alive.


To answer this first. I have gotten alot of information on this point and can lists alot of refference and biology books if needed.
Most male animals will infact have sex with other males in there group when the females of the group are not in seasion.
Also pengines started the prostertution idea long ago.. a female pengine will have sex with any male that brings her a rock for her nest. '<img'>

The natural world has alot to teach us still.

I personal do not belive in the bible.. as it was writen by alot of different people about events that happen along time before they were born.

I beleve that people should follow there own belefes and respect each other.
It doesnt mater what sex your partener is aslong as you love them.
I love my mate and will love him for all time.
I protect my mate.. and SonOfEarth my brother.
SonOfEarth is stright (as far as I know) but that doesn't make him any different to me.

I hope that clears things up

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« Reply #55 on: February 05, 2003, 09:30:50 am »
Howya and howls.

Me, I'm a neophyte on animal behaviour.  I've never observed animals in the wild.  Where I live, the wildest things are squirrels, Yellowfin Tuna, and the occasional stray dog.  Much of what I know comes from more mainstream Rated-G animal books and the Discovery Channel.  We may never know what pictures never get printed or what film footage ends up on the editing room floor, because it may be deemed controversial.

To my friend and bro, Chaz: Beliefs and faiths are highly personal.  I don't get in anyone's face.  That's disrepectful and shows poor people skills.  (ie: Don't walk up to a stranger and tell them they are going to hell.  That's a terrible icebreaker.  I gave someone a piece of my mind for that tactic when they walked up to me in a mall with that greeting.)  Also, yes I am straight, but it doesn't make me better than anyone else.  Do I care that two very dear friends of mine are gay?  NO!  I too will protect my brothers, and if they ever need anything or just want to unload, I'm here.

I hope I was clear, because I tend to babble.

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« Reply #56 on: February 05, 2003, 03:03:00 pm »
I think we all tend to babble once and awhile. I think its great to babble or to rant. '<img'>
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« Reply #57 on: February 05, 2003, 03:19:09 pm »
Agreed, it is sometimes the olny way to say what you really think.

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« Reply #58 on: February 06, 2003, 11:45:37 am »
@Chaz_wolf:  Well, I never knew that male animals had sex with other males while it is not the mating season.  I guess it sort of makes sense, apart from the fact that no animals have sex for pleasure, apart from dolphins and humans.  I'm pretty sure that's true.  Maybe someone could shed some light on this.

I never knew that about penguins, either.

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I beleve that people should follow there own belefes and respect each other.
It doesnt mater what sex your partener is aslong as you love them.
I love my mate and will love him for all time.
I protect my mate.. and SonOfEarth my brother.
SonOfEarth is stright (as far as I know) but that doesn't make him any different to me.
I have often told people I am not religious - I just follow my own beliefs.  My partner's gender is not a concern - my mate happens to be a male, same as me, and that is not a problem because I love him very, very much.  I also have a brother similar to you and sonofearth (unless sonofearth is your actual family related brother).  My brother is a male Dragon, and I love him.  Not in the same way as my wolf mate, though - but I do love him.




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« Reply #59 on: February 06, 2003, 02:30:54 pm »
Howls DrakonianDanceR

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@Chaz_wolf:  Well, I never knew that male animals had sex with other males while it is not the mating season.  I guess it sort of makes sense, apart from the fact that no animals have sex for pleasure, apart from dolphins and humans.  I'm pretty sure that's true.  Maybe someone could shed some light on this.


All male animals have sex for pleasure, I rember a while back there was a push agenst this. But pleasure is the only reasion they sex.
If dogs, for example didn't have sex for pleasure, why do they hump your leg at times ?

The reasion you have never seen it on the discovery channal, (except on very rare occasions) is becouse it is to controversial still..

But I can send you a list of books that confirm this information.

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« Reply #60 on: February 06, 2003, 02:37:11 pm »
Well, if you say so, I'm sure you're right.  But how come I have heard on several occasions that humans and dolphins are the only creatures that have sex for pleasure?  There must be conflicting opinions on the subject by experts.  I'm no expert, so I just go by what I hear, and what I believe.

Oh, and we don't have the Discovery Channel here (unless you buy digital TV stuff), but I'd like to see it.  So many people mention it - it sounds really interesting and educational.
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« Reply #61 on: February 06, 2003, 02:49:58 pm »
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But how come I have heard on several occasions that humans and dolphins are the only creatures that have sex for pleasure?  There must be conflicting opinions on the subject by experts.  


A few years back when they realised this admitting that amimals were gay too would not have gone down well with the public, so they tried to hide it and not discouse it on TV.
The humans and dolphin and k9's got lumped together as being the only ones that have sex for pleasure becouse they are the only ones that can have sex with another, without there partners consent or assistance (rape).

I will list afew books later..

The discovery channal is very good, (I get it here) and they are just now starting to let this information out.. slowly..
They are still worried as to what effect this infomation will have on there ratings.

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« Reply #62 on: February 06, 2003, 03:12:10 pm »
Many primates also (obviously) have sex for pleasure... such as bonobos and proboscis monkeys.
It makes sense that a male would do it for pleasure, since that's about all that he really gets out of it... except for a slap in the face in some species, and possible death in some other species.
Many animals have some form of performing masturbation, too... so that's further evidence that it's an enjoyable thing for them.
 
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« Reply #63 on: February 06, 2003, 03:33:25 pm »
Agreed Benjamin,

Almost all domestic cats and dogs masturbate themselves. Why do you think a cat or dog spends so long licking themselves there.. although unless they prop themselves up in a corner they tend to fall over '<img'>

I have seen it happen, I have had 8 dogs 4 wolves and 6+ cats.. as well as other asorted pets. Including delta sharks and rodents.

I used to live next to a wildlife reserch center and help out with the wolves, tigers, lions etc.

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« Reply #64 on: February 06, 2003, 05:29:30 pm »
I'm not saying that animals don't have sex for pleasure, but you guys do seem to be forgetting one important factor.  Sex is a survival instinct.  It is how many species reproduce, so even if they don't get pleasure from it, they're still giong to do it because it passes on their genes.  Obviously, I don't think two cats going at it are thinking about it like that, hence the instinct part.  They don't have to think about it in terms of passing on their genes.  It's an instinct for human beings as well, because there was a time when we didn't know exactly what happened when Mr. Sperm and Ms. Egg got together and had a party and started a baby.  

Anyway, my point is that this is why this has been such an issue, whether or not animals have sex for pleasure, because we can just write it all of as instinct, if it's only ever male/female pairings and only when the female is in heat, blah blah blah....  but as this is not the case...  Well, essentially, people don't want to admit that.  Whatever...  I'm going to stop rambling now.

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« Reply #65 on: June 22, 2003, 07:21:20 pm »
I had a freind of mine who spoke up as being gay some time back. I had know this friend for a while befor hand I had made the impression that he was easy going fellow. His preferance never came n to it. But there where a few others that when they knew it was like he had leprosy ( another thing thats treated far worse than need be). They had all the same opinion that I had first impresions can be shatterd for some people by just the utterance of being bi or gay. People genraly fall in to one or the other catagory but there is a groing majority that happly sit in the grey area and either are or accept sexuality is not something to be scared of. There will always be people who object thats just the way it is but hopefully eventualy they will become a minority and then hopefully others will stop listening to there hate peddeling and being pulled along by the nose by it. For being blessed with our inteligence sometimes humanity can be really low
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« Reply #66 on: February 08, 2003, 10:44:43 am »
*nods*
Certain people still believe sex to be a 'dirty' thing and should not be done unless you're intending to procreate. I believe the Catholic church still holds onto that belief, and likely some others do as well. It's likely in their best interests to perpetuate the myth that animals can not enjoy sex... and that humans shouldn't enjoy it either. After all, throughout history, religious beliefs have often been tied in right with scientific theories and paradigms to some degree. Not everywhere, mind you, but there still is a perpetual "war" between learning what's really happening in the world around us and sticking with what is believed through religious influences and morals.
 
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« Reply #67 on: February 08, 2003, 10:59:03 am »
I agree. Though the christians tried to meld the two and there were religious scientists trying to prove that what happend in the bible really did happen.

Sort of on the subject of this, I might suggest a book called Voices of Heaven, or is Voices From heaven. Either way, its from Fredrick Pohle. Its where in the future where religons are big, and they conflict majorly. Farily intersting and educational.

Though back to what Ariela said, I have to agree. The insect for example I doubt 'enjoys' the situation. It acts more out of instinct then feeling. Considering they aren't the most sophisticated creatures when it comes to feeling. The higher life forms such as mammels, reptiles, marsupials.... ect, have a more advanced emotional base, as enjoyment would be included. Though Instinct would still play a hand. From Pshycology I had learned that Humans are born with only three emotions: Hunger, Thirst, and the need to Procreate. The rest are learned. I think that if you are born with something, its instictual. If your hungery the instinct to go and eat is experinced and usually followed. Same with Procreation.
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« Reply #68 on: February 08, 2003, 11:25:45 am »
Insects tend to react instinctually to pheromones that are released by their partners, yeah. Actually, most animals do, if not all, including humans. I agree that insects likely can't feel pleasure, if they can feel much of anything at all with those carapace bodies of theirs. Animals, on the other paw, are likely advanced enough that they can enjoy certain things... like scritches, petting, and other forms of affection. Sex is most likely pleasurable for them.
 
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« Reply #69 on: February 08, 2003, 11:30:25 am »
Also, just a small add on to my last post:

I think the only reason that its enjoyable is the fact that its made to be. Sort of like an Addiction. The instinct is there, which makes you go and do the stuff. The enjoyment is sort of like a reward, or perhaps a instive to persue it.

Like Coffee. People get addicted to it (by the caffine in it.) Cept its not really required, except for the speicies as a whole.
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« Reply #70 on: February 08, 2003, 11:53:42 am »
Coffee doesn't taste too good on it's own though. It's the caffeine's effect of keeping you awake that is the reward there. '<img'>
 
The pleasure of sex is an incentive, yes. If it felt bad, it'd be a disincentive for breeding, which would be bad for the species' survival, really. And if it felt like a chore, well... we'd all act like like a marriage gone flat and not bother to do it at all. '<img'>
 
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« Reply #71 on: June 06, 2003, 05:54:22 pm »
I've seen my share of misogynists as well. I found it a bit surprising to see people like that amongst the gay community, but now that I think about it, I probably shouldn't have been. Some guys turn gay because they were burned by women one too many times in the past, which isn't a very worthy reason for being gay, in my opinion. Anyways... I'm sorry you had to deal with sharing living space with someone like that. I suppose that for every man-hating lesbian, there's at least one woman-hating gay guy. Seems to me that it's a rather silly thing to take up as an issue. Hating someone just because they're the opposite sex is usually abandoned at the onset of puberty. ':p'
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« Reply #72 on: February 10, 2003, 10:13:56 am »
I guess I'm bisexual...
I personally don't like those labels, because I'm not centered on loving a certain gender, but rather their personality.




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« Reply #73 on: February 10, 2003, 05:27:35 pm »
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The pleasure of sex is an incentive, yes. If it felt bad, it'd be a disincentive for breeding, which would be bad for the species' survival, really. And if it felt like a chore, well... we'd all act like like a marriage gone flat and not bother to do it at all. '<img'>

Yes Benjamin,

That was what I am trying to point out. And thus it is the same for all mamals.  The pleasure of it is an incentive so they do it as often as they can.

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« Reply #74 on: February 10, 2003, 05:29:27 pm »
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I'm technically homosexual, for my mate is a male.
I personally don't like those labels, because I'm not centered on loving a certain gender, but rather their personality.
If my mate wasn't a male, I'd still love him (or her in that case).

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I agree Schizo_Wolf,
I am bisexual for that reasion. I love my mate for his personality not his sex. and I have loved others, females before I met him and before we became mates.

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