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Re: Trump the GOP and Democrats. A new path or more of the same.
« Reply #25 on: December 15, 2016, 11:24:48 am »
Trump
He says we should get along with Russia. Perhaps it would look that way
to a billionaire business man, but not to the average person.

I know some of us here in the USA might not feel Russian involvement
in our elections is no big deal, or even care.

To those who may feel this way best wake up. Russia is about nationalisim,
and they don't care about human rights. They have been working over the
last several years to change Nato countries and other countries to disrupt
their elections. To move their governments to favor the Russian way of
doing things.

You will loose your rights to have guns, to have your own lifestyle, high
taxes. No religious or human rights. The Russian government my seem
efficient, most dictatorships look that way. Russia claims to have a
Parliamentary form  of  government, but Putin and his gang run the
country. He is committed to  make the world over to fit his idea of
running things and the people.

If you wish to live that way, just ignore him, he will see that you
do.


GOP
Some are taking this serious about the Russian connection, but some
are talking like it's no big deal or not something we need to really worry
about. It seems they don't want to oppose Trump who claims it's a
democratic rumor.

Dem
I hope they push hard for hearings on the Russian thing. Even
to create a bi Parisian commission on it to prevent Trump and his
gang from putting a iid on it when he takes office.

Time will tell. But we should watch, and let our congress know
how we feel.


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Re: Trump the GOP and Democrats. A new path or more of the same.
« Reply #26 on: December 15, 2016, 06:14:13 pm »
Anyone have some links to what these Russian connections actually are?
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Re: Trump the GOP and Democrats. A new path or more of the same.
« Reply #27 on: December 15, 2016, 06:24:44 pm »
I know who the Russian spies are! It's Boris and Natasha!  :D  :D

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Re: Trump the GOP and Democrats. A new path or more of the same.
« Reply #28 on: December 16, 2016, 09:06:49 am »
Has the GOP of NC gone crazy?  Here is a story about the state lefislature removing
power from the newly elected Democrat governor.. Even with crowds of people
calling "Shame" from the gallery the GOP controlled legislature continues it's dirty
work. It wasn't long before the crowds were removed. The NC GOP has been guilty
of making it hard for minorities to vote, and setting up congressional districts to
favor white voters.

http://www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc-out/north-carolina-gop-tries-strip-powers-governor-elect-n696576


Anyone have some links to what these Russian connections actually are?

Here is the latest on the Russian Putin connection. The CIA and other government
agencys have evidence to show they were involved.

Trump has been claiming it's all democrats wanting to discredit his win. I don't
see how anyone could believe someone who lies half the time. If Trump doesn't
want to believe the CIA, who is he going to believe? His rich friends?  I hope not.

If the actual way they found out about Putins attack was revealed it would likely
comprimise future detection. So don't expect to hearor see that.

Here is a video link on the subject.. It's from www.MSNBC.com if you want to
read more about it. 

http://www.msnbc.com/brian-williams/watch/obama-vows-to-take-action-on-russia-for-election-hacks-834534979839
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Re: Trump the GOP and Democrats. A new path or more of the same.
« Reply #29 on: December 16, 2016, 02:28:38 pm »
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Re: Trump the GOP and Democrats. A new path or more of the same.
« Reply #30 on: December 17, 2016, 09:48:23 am »
Trump
As much as our man Trump claims his election was a mandate, it will always
be tainted by Putins involvement in trying to help him win.

I think this is why Trump never wants to agree that Putin helped him. It would
discredit his election. It is discredited and history will paint Trumps victory
as such.

We must watch this man to see that he follows the constitution and the
people who voted. Not electorally but by the popular vote.

Trump has huge conflicts of interest to deal with. He owes millions in
foreign loans. Will he give favors to those banks who he owes money
to if they pressure him to do so?

GOP
Is the GOP kissing up to Trump to get his signature, or to do what's
best for the country?  So far it seems to be for Trumps favor. We
must hold the legislatures feet to the fire, let them know they will
be looking for another job if they continue to step on our country just
to make their rich friends richer.

They always make the claim."We are for jobs". Sure as long as the jobs
are cheap with no benefits. They don't work to help the common man
have a better life. They cut benifits to the poor and give the rich tax
breaks and welfare. Why? They say "Its for Jobs." The same old tired
line. If we continue voting for them more of us will be begging in the
streets.

Dem
If those who call themselves progressive don't get out and vote next
time the GOP will continue treating minorities, gays, and women like dirt.
Look at what Trump does to women and minorities. It's just the tip of
the iceberg. Look at NC. The GOP there said."The new governor has the state
mansion to live in what else should he want?"


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Re: Trump the GOP and Democrats. A new path or more of the same.
« Reply #31 on: December 18, 2016, 10:14:53 am »

The news has been under attack by Trump. Those who support him
and others have been posting news that are misleading or just plane lies.
Trump plays on peoples fears and needs to steer them to his way of thinking.
to say if your not for me your against me. He won't talk to a reporter, because
he wants to only make speeches. So people will only hear what he wants
them to hear. He doesn't want to explain why he says things. Much of what he
says is lies, so why would he wan 't to explain a lie?L

Many people listen to talk radio. Talk radio is a terrible place to get  news. Talk
radio works to buid an audience, not to tell the truth, and at best the only
part of the truth that pleases their audience. They are much like politicians.
who needs votes, instead of votes they need a big audience or they are off
the air.. Keep this in mind when you listen to them.

Actually I think Trump too a cue from talk radio. Tell them what they want to
hear, and they will follow you. What was the first thing he said? "Let's build a
wall to keep out the bad Mexicans." Many people felt here is a guy that can't
be bought and thinks like I do.  Turns out he can be bought, and only acts
like he thinks like his supporters do I think when he falls out of favor he will
crash. I hope he doesn't take us with him.


Trump
He finishes his last so called Thank you campain for the year.  I suppose
he has refueled what it takes to make him feel good about his self.  He
like most people in show business love adoring crowds. He says anything
to make them cheer. Even if it's a black lie. Later he claims it was just a
game to make people feel good. If so why believe anything he says?

The people need a presidend who is honest, not some kind of money grubbing
con artist.

Sorry if you don't like it, but he hasn't proved he is for anyone but the rich. After
all they are the smartist people on earth. They know how to make money. I guess
that's why he likds Putin. He is supposed to be the richest man on the planet. I
guess the fact he stole most of the money is imaterial to Trump.

Trump has appointed a jewish radical as our ambassador to Isreal
A man who wants all of old Palestine for the Jews.  If this happens
the middle est will explode.  I imagine any property with Trumps
name on it wil then be a target. Who will pay to protect them? and
do we want to risk american lives to protect his businesses?

GOP
Those of us who need medicare, and social security have few friends in congress.
they want to cut it. If not they might have to raise taxes on the rich. Heaven forbid.
Trump campained he wouldn't sign anything that would hurt social security, medicar,
medicade. Time will tell if he was being honest or not.

Dem
Many are saying they need to change, but what needs changing is rules that let
one party or the other have an advantage over the other. The GOP have set up
voting districts to favor white, non minority voters. Elections should not be
controled by either party. Untill we do the GOP and the far right will make gains
they don't deserve.


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Re: Trump the GOP and Democrats. A new path or more of the same.
« Reply #32 on: December 19, 2016, 10:51:31 am »
It's Dec 19th and election day for the electors to vote. I am sure Trump will
get the 270 he needs. If not the GOP congress would give it to him anyway.

Trump
Our man Trump is in Florida working I think.. Anyway he says he is
having a working vacation after all his so called "Thank you ralleys" .

I probably won't have much to say till after Christmas. Our politicians make
sure they have their time off for holidays. They spend more time off than
working. I bet Trump let's his Lacky VP do most of the work after the new
wears off..

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Re: Trump the GOP and Democrats. A new path or more of the same.
« Reply #33 on: December 21, 2016, 10:26:11 am »
Trump
Well after all the bad mouthing Trump did toward Clinton about doing favors
for money. It appears Trump is playing the same game. He started a foundation
in Texas, and he promised photo ops with him  Only 1 million dollars a shot.

When this hit the news he made some quick changes.  Well I will say this to our
man Trump. He is going to have a hard time pulling this kind of stuff without it
being in the news. Even if he doesn't like it. He is going to find out that unlike
in business practices he can't cover up the dirt. There are a lot of people
watching his every move. That includes his family and friends.

That could be why he wants to discredit the press.

Many world leaders are watching Trump close, as they have no idea
what he really plans to do. Except perhaps Putin?  Who can say.

GOP
Some of the GOP are pushing for investigations about the Russian connection. I
hope it ends up being more serious than just show. Some are trying to make
light of it. Perhaps wanting to please Trump.

It would be good to have better relations with Russia, but we must stand up
for what we feel is right. Putin is working to disrupt the governments of Nato
countries. He knows Russia can't win an conventional war against the west, but
he might do it politically.

The GOP was asked about getting rid of the electorial system.  "Oh my no" they
say. "It's a part of our constitution, it protects states rights."  I have a hunch if the
election were reversed with Trump having almost 3 million popular votes over
Clinton and lost due to the electorial system they would be ready to see it go.

This is the second time in less than 20 years the GOP has won while loosing
the popular vote. So it's no wonder why they wouldn't want to change it.

Dem
They are still trying to decide how they are going to work with Trump and the
GOP. I am sure it would be tempting to do what the GOP did over the last 6
years, but they would just point a finger at the Democrats and say."It's their
fault why there are fewer jobs." Or what ever else went bad. I say let them
own the dirt they do, but they should try to protect the poor and disadvantaged
from ideas aimed to only help  the rich.

Democrats should be more outspoken. Many times they are called the
silent majority. Well it's time they started hollering, and voting. If they
had Trump would be in his tower pouting instead of being elected
president.


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Re: Trump the GOP and Democrats. A new path or more of the same.
« Reply #34 on: December 22, 2016, 10:26:23 am »
Trump
Our man Trump is likely to get stuck in the swamp hisself if he isn't careful. He
was saying he would get rid of government corruption. Well if he doesn't get
rid of his business interests around the world he could become the most corrupt
president in history.

The last I heard he was planning for only having a half trust if there is such
a thing. If not I guess he plans to create one.

GOP
Well our friendly GOP in NC has turned it's back on the LBGT in that state after
promising to undo the law to keep them out of the bathrooms they need.

Now Senator Ted Cruz of Texas plans to introduce a bill restricting the rights
of Gays, Lesbians, and Transgend people over the whole country. He claims it
s to protect riligious rights.  Well he may actually believe his religion wants
him to  do this, but our country is supposed to have seperation between
church and state. Since I am sure some on the forum will be interested I
will try to keep track of how far this bill goes. Trump has already said he
would sign such a bill.. One mans religious rights can be religious bigotry
to another. I have a hunch womens abortion rights will soon be attacked as
well.

The supreme court could declare such laws unconstitutional, but right now there
are only 8 judges with a liberal/conservative even slpit. So a lower court decision
could end up standing if the court voted 4/4. Of course the GOP wants to pack
the court with conservatives. If they do such laws could end up being approved.

Dem
Hopefully the democrats can slow or stop unfair bills from becoming lawas.
Only time will tell.
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Re: Trump the GOP and Democrats. A new path or more of the same.
« Reply #35 on: December 23, 2016, 10:11:27 am »
Trump
Our man Trump tweeted that we need to expand our nukes. We have
5000 atomic weopns now. We are currently doing upgrades to those
that are needed. Telling the world he wants more is going to s tart another
arms race. Ever since President Nixon we have been working to reduce
the number of atomic weopons in the world,  not increase them. Trump
shouldn't talk about things like this. I doubt if he even knows what he
is talking about. He should at least wait ill he is president to make such
comments..

I find it hard to understand why the government and or Obama doesn't tell
Trump to shut up. He isn't the president yet. Sure he won the election, but
he is still a private citizen till he takes office on the 20th of January.

We only have one President at a time. I can guarantee if Trump was the
current president, and a president elect started interfering in government
business he would be hopping mad about it.

It's Trumps business to get his cabinet and other appointments selected, but
that's as far as it should go. Making policy with other governments should be
illegal if not treasonous. I have a hunch if I personally was making a deal with
another country without permission  the FBI would be on my neck in no time.

I suppose Obama is doing his best to not turn the transistion into a fight with
Trump and the GOP, but with Trump trying to act like he is already president
with wierd tweets is making us look bad around the world.

GOP
Seems our friends in the legislature is bowing to Trump a lot. I imagine they will
have a stack of bills ready for him to sign on January 21st. At least they hope he
wil..

Dem
I understand some of Trumps supporters are beginning to wonder if they made a
mistake. I heard some say they figured Trump didn't mean some of waht he said
during the campain. Now they are afraid he meant it. 20 million people get health
insurance via the ACA (Obama care) When it goes people who have health
problems won't be able to get insurance. It's likely they will have to sell everything
and go on Medicade to get medical care.  Time will tell. But the GOP feels every
one should buy their own insurance, and if they can't afford it..Well. It's the Ebenezer
Scrooge bit. "If they die it will reduce the excess population."  The democrats will
try to stop it, but they are a couple votes short, so if they can't find 2 or 3 from the
GOP to help it's over.. Perhaps for a lot of poor people too..


I know there are a lot of good rich people, but seems the bad ones find a way
to take advantage of the rest of us. According to Trump only smart people are
rich. Well I can tell him that money isn't everything, and taking advantage of
the needy is isn't the kind of smart I want to be. Just because there isn't a law
on the books doesn't make something right But Trump and his friends apparently
think it does.. Trump said it was smart to not have to pay taxes on the money he
makes, but I bet he would be the first to holler help if he needed protection from
fire or the police. Services we who are not that smart pay for.
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Re: Trump the GOP and Democrats. A new path or more of the same.
« Reply #36 on: December 24, 2016, 10:34:14 am »
Trump
Our man Trump is giving Obama a hard time for being on the golf course
so much. Strange for a man who owns several of them. I hope the media
gives Trump credit for all of his activities.

Trump plans to give Israel help in adding new settlements in areas captured
in past wars with the Palestinians. Trump wanted Obama to make a UN vote
allowing new settlements, but knowing how this would create more trouble we
voted against new settlements. 

Other wise I think all our friendly politicians are celebrating the holidays.
Many of them claim to be religious. I hope they show it by caring about the
poor, elderly, and others who are disadvantaged over the New Year.

Except Trump who will likely be tweeting every weird thought he comes
up with. He is probably counting up all the money he plans to make
while being president. I have a hunch by this time next year people
may be calling Trump the Grinch who stole their Christmas. Hopefully he
doesn't get us in a war as well.
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« Reply #37 on: December 25, 2016, 10:42:13 am »
Trump was on "Meet the Press" this morning.. Perhaps he will make a
habit of having a discussion with the press .. We might not hear much
truth, but perhaps some unfiltered words from Trump.

There was some thoughts from the press that those Trump has picked
might balance each other out. Time will tell, but I kind of imagine we
will see Trump out making speeches pretty often. Probably not answering
many questions though.. 

That's all for now. Hope everyone is having a nice Chrismas today.
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« Reply #38 on: December 26, 2016, 09:47:18 am »
I don't have any thing new to say about politics today. I am
sure something will happen I can mention tomorrow.

Santa would probably have needed a trailer to carry all the
coal he would've given Trump for being a bad boy. Hopefully
next year he will deserve something better.
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« Reply #39 on: December 27, 2016, 11:12:24 am »
Trump
Our man Trump is fussing at Obama because he said he  could have
won against him.. Trump needs to quit worrying about his image.
He has a country to think about, not to worry if people think
he is a winner or not.

Trump should keep his fingers out of government till he is president. This
business with Israel could blow up in his face, or blow up the middle east.

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« Reply #40 on: December 28, 2016, 10:43:08 am »
Trump
There is serious concern that Trump may cause another arms race. Putin
did say he wanted to make their missles less vulnerable to anti missle
tech.. How successful the Russians are is hard to say. I have little or no
idea if they can make them so they can't be shot down. I think Putin is
thinking about in theater use of missils. Many missils are cruise now
days whcih are hard to detect and defend against.

With over 5000 atomic weopons we don't need more, just better ways to
deliver them. I think Putin feels much the same.

I hope Obama takes our missile system off of a hair trigger. Trump is so quick
to respond to insults he could start a war. I hope someone with a cool head
is looking over Trumps shoulder all the time.

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« Reply #41 on: December 29, 2016, 10:30:39 am »
Trump
Our man Trump is up to his old tricks. At a impromto news
conference he claimed credit foe almost 8000 new jobs. Turns
out these are the same jobs that were in the news a few weeks
back.  Trump is playing games with the public trying to claim
credit for the same jobs more than once and pretending they
are additional jobs..

Besides 8000 jobs are great for the familys who get them, but
that is a very small number for a nation as large as ours. Obama
saved 1.5 million jobs when he helped the auto industry a few
years ago. Many millions of jobs have been created under Obama
,but he didn't stand up and brag about it every week or two.

I think we can expeect Trump to take credit for how well the
country is doing as long as ithe news is good, but I imagine he
will try to find a scape goat at the first sign of bad news. In fact
he already has claimed credit for some new numbers about the
economy, and he hasn't done anything but blow hot air.

I imagine we can expect Trump to be the biggest speech maker
in the history of the presidency. He loves to talk to a crowd. He
desires praise, the more the better. Just tell him he is smart or
a nice guy and he claims to be your friend.

GOP
I hope the public will hold our friendly legislators accountable
for how well they obey the constitution.  Somehow I think they
are going to break their oath of office when Trump takes office. It
is their responsibility to hold Trump accountable to breaking his oath
of office if and when he does.

Our only recourse is to vote them out in 2018 if they refuse to do their
job.  I wish the constitution required dismissial of any legislator for
breaking their oath of office. The way it is the congress has to vote to
do it. Kind of like having the fox guard the henhouse.  Of course
humans being who they are I doubt if a constitution that strict could
have been ratified in the first place.



Dem
Just hope they can keep the GOP from destroying the safety net the
poor, elderly, handicapped, and other who are disavantaged depend on.
Only time will tell. I think the GOP is under some kind of delusion that
the public wants them to do it.  If they do I imagine the GOP will find
themselves without a job in few years.

People haven't seen people starving and dying in the streets like they
did in the late 1920's and early 1930's. Farmers leaving land that was
nothing but dust. I hope we don't have to repeat it.

A democracy can only exsist if the people are willing to do their part.
Otherwise the country could fall into an autocracy like Germany had with
Hitler, or like Russia has with Putin. It's the easy way out. The public is
treated like children to be taken care of, and if one gets out of line they
slap them down or kill them. Works fine for those who don't mind handing
their life over to the state. You don't even have to think for your self.

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Re: Trump the GOP and Democrats. A new path or more of the same.
« Reply #42 on: December 30, 2016, 11:07:52 am »
Trump
Our man Trump is still worried that his win will be discredited. He
is so narcissistic . One wonders if he doesn't stand and look at his
self in  a mirror. Loving his self, thinking he is so smart, and how
we should appreciate his greatness..

What he does when he is alone is fine as long as he understands  the
job of president and how it can affect the world when he makes offhand
comments.

He still wants to deny a proven fact the Russians tried to  help him win the
election.. As close as it was it's very possible they did.

I wonder if he will keep the sanctions on Russia, or will he forgive Putin
for what he did. In effect thank him for the win.

I think better relations with Russia would be great, but we can't give up our
principles in doing so. Putin would have the world in his image. Authoritarian
leaders around the world. It's true one man leaderships of governments can
be more efficient, but hardly ever fair to the population of a country

GOP
I understand some in congress and the senate don't have the same warm feelings
toward Putin as Trump does. So he may have a bit of trouble making nice with
Putin over the objections of congress.. Especially with the computer hacking Russia
did.

Dem
I imagine the Democrats will join the GOP in punishing Russia over the hacking.

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Re: Trump the GOP and Democrats. A new path or more of the same.
« Reply #43 on: December 31, 2016, 11:11:12 am »
I guess all the politicans are out partying so nothing new for
today.


I wish the news media would headline. "Why does Trump lie about...? "
this or that. That way it would plant the question for people to think
about. As is peple just ignore  the report of a lie as a bash at Trump..

It might even work on Trumps mind where he would have to come up
with a reason. As is it he just bad mouths the press. It's harder to justify
a lie than to just call a press report a lie.

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Re: Trump the GOP and Democrats. A new path or more of the same.
« Reply #44 on: January 01, 2017, 11:20:20 am »
Not much to tell. "Meet the Press" was about how the main media
covered Trump over the campain, and since the election.

The one thing they failed to mention was how the media competes
to get the news out first. This competitions colors the reporting. They
are more likely to say what gets attention in Headlines.  Working to
get at the truth is pushed back in favor of sensationalize.  Trump
knows this and uses it to manipulate the press.

Trump is still trying to divert attention away from Russia's hacking. Trumps
Russia connection is still in question. He is still defending Putin.  I think we
should know why he is. Is it business, or is he only worried about war with
Russia?

War wise I think we have more to worry with North Korea than Russia. An
engagement with Korea would likely drag China into the fray.

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Re: Trump the GOP and Democrats. A new path or more of the same.
« Reply #45 on: January 03, 2017, 10:51:00 am »
Trump gets approval to build a new hotel, golf course in
Indonesia since he was elected.

Trump had a big new years party in Florida in a private
club. Members paid $500.00 to be there. With 800
attending he netted $400,000.00 for the night. Odd
thing is he complained about Clinton making big money
making a speech. I don't see this being any different.
Trump is using his position as president elect to
make a lot of money as Clinton did.

Trump called Putin smart for waiting for him to
be president. Not Treason, but likely broke the Logan
act by communitcating with a forign government in a
way that affects the policy of our government.

He has been stepping on Obama's toes ever since he
won the election. I imagine the reason Obama hasn't
been making a big deal out of it trying to avoid a
fight with the GOP and Trump during the transistion.

GOP
independant ethics investigation commitee shut down by the
new GOP.. They want to investigate them selves. and
this way they can keep it from the public eye.

The "Just say no" crowd in congress has been making
plans to produce many bills ready for Trump to sign.
I think there will be a lot of suffering for the
disadvantaged, and less taxes for the rich.

A $200.00 reduction for someone barely making enough
to live on. $25,000.00 reduction or more for someone
who would see $200.00 as pocket change.

Remember that when you vote next tiem.

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Re: Trump the GOP and Democrats. A new path or more of the same.
« Reply #46 on: January 04, 2017, 10:06:49 am »
This is a bit long, but I thought I would add a bit about jobs, and what people
will need in the future. Things the GOP and Trump don't seem to be concerned
about. Our politicians have a bad habit of leaving the future to those in
the future. After all they want credit for what they do now..

The world is changing and jobs are moving from manufacturing to high tech. Those
who can't or won't move with it will fall behind. Big corporations around the world are
moving their factories to poor third world countries. Even those are becoming more
automated to cut costs.

Trump and the politicians can promise all they want, but the days of factory career
jobs are becoming a thing of the past. Most jobs are showing up in the service
industry. Auto repair, resturants, cleaning, building, plumbing, ect.  Some of
these jobs can be a career job with a pension, but not very many. Many service
industry jobs don't pay much more than minimum wage.

With the advent of the internet and now smart phones, many people are making
extra money selling services, and objects online. Problem is people are going to find
out when they get sick, injured, handicapped or old. They are going to be hard
up for money to pay for food, rent, doctor, ect.

Also this same transformation is making a small percentage of the population
extremely rich. This is dividing the country into the haves and have not's. I know
the GOP and Trump don't like redistribution of wealth, but if we don't a
disaster is waiting to happen. I don't think any of us like taxes.. How can we call a
country great if in the future the streets are filled with beggars and the sick. Robots
doing work that the average person depended on for a living.

It's time the government moves to see that all our people have at least enough
to live on, sutable housing, and the health care and medicine they need. We educate
people through high school. Why not college, or at least trade schools. If a person
wishes to go on to a higher level on their own. Fine. But we need engineers, mechanical
and electrical. Cyber techs are in high demand now, and more will be needed in the
future.

The GOP is living in the past, and they are ignoring the majority of the population about
social issues. I am not for full socializim, but if we don't accept a degree of it there
will be many suffering and dieing in the future. We have many in that position now.
We shouldn't give a free ride to those who can work. That would do more harm than
good. If a person gets aid, see they do something for it. Even if it's just sitting in a
office chair 8 hours a day. I think most would rather be doing something. Food aid
should be for food people need, not easy to fix food unless they are handicapped.

The public doesn't like to see a healthy person living off the government doing
nothing, living as well or better than they are. It's good to help, but those who
are helped should be willing to help themselves.

The GOP points to the lazy bums when they want to take food from the mouths
of the needy. Instead they should be changing how they are helped.

The GOP found that getting rid of the independant ethics commitee was a bad idea when they got thousands of phone calls from the public telling them to leave the committee alone. Trump jumped on the bandwagon tellhing the GOP to work on better things. Could be the mandate they claim to have isn't as strong as they act like it is. They lost seats in the Congress and the Senate and even though Trump won he still lost the popular vote by almost 3 million votes.

Trump  continues to  take credit for jobs saved due to 
Ford not moving to Mexico. Keeping 700 Jobs here in the
country. Turns out Ford had decided to stay sometime ago
due to falling sales of small cars over the past 2 years.  The hybrid cars they plan to build is part of a program Obama worked with Ford about.  As usual Trump tries to grab the spotlight. He would likely claim credit for the sun rising in the morning if he thought it would benifit him.

Trump made the tweet that he was going to have to wait till friday to meet with the intelligence people. Like they were putting him off. The meeting was set for friday in the first place. Trump seems to be still trying to discredit them. He is going to need these people in the future. So he best play nice with them.

The only credible jobs Trump can claim is 800. Though he
is trying to claim 8000.. A very small number so far for the nation, though any jobs saved it good news..

Our man Trump loves using Twitter. If he continues doing so as president. Wouldn't it create a security risk if someone was to hack Trumps twitter account? They could fake a Trump tweet about anything. It could embarass Trump or cause a crisis with a insult to a foriegn leader. He should forget about Twitter as president.
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Re: Trump the GOP and Democrats. A new path or more of the same.
« Reply #47 on: January 05, 2017, 09:32:19 am »
Trump plans to revamp government inteligence, apparently
fewer people to do the job. With the terrorist threats, and
other dangers we face. Seems irresponsible to me.

Seems the only people Trump credits for being smart are those who
are extremely rich. Perhaps that's why he likes Russias Putin. He is one
of the richest men in the world. I guess getting rich by theft is smart
too, for Putin at least. Oddly enough Putin called  Trump a clown when he
was running for the nomination. I guess if your rich enough Trump doesn't
mind what you say about him...

He continues running down the national media as if only he
tells the truth, and everyone else lies. I see no reason to
believe much of anything he says.

GOP
Starts committee reviews of Trumps cabinet picks.
The GOP leader of the senate had the gall to say the public wouldn't stand for
delays to pick a new judge for the supreme court. After he and others in the GOP refused to even give hearings much less vote on Obamas supreme court
nomination last year. I think some politicians actually believe the public is
totally stupid at times. I hope the public tosses some of them
out of office next time.

Dem
They plan to stand against cuts to social security, medicare, ACA, VA, and
medicade.  Also against any right leaning pick for a supreme court judge.
The democrats already have rallies planned in several states to inform
the public about what Trump and the GOP plan to do. No doubt the
GOP and Trump will counter, but they won't have Obama to blaime this
time.

Grass roots groups are showing up across the country. A large
number of anti Trump people plan to show up in Washington DC on the 21st
of January. I will try to pass along any links to sites
with more information on this, and other demonstrations.

These groups are planning to let Trump and the GOP know how they feel about
their plans to undo social gains since the 1950's. There is a chance the GOP
will get some of the same medicine the Tea Party gave the democrats a few
years back.  Trump may find out the swamp his supporters wanted him to drain
includes many of his friends. I kind of feel the only people he wanted to get rid
of was those who didn't support or agree with him.
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Re: Trump the GOP and Democrats. A new path or more of the same.
« Reply #48 on: January 05, 2017, 04:44:53 pm »
Dem
They plan to stand against cuts to social security, medicare, ACA, VA, and
medicade.  Also against any right leaning pick for a supreme court judge.
The democrats already have rallies planned in several states to inform
the public about what Trump and the GOP plan to do. No doubt the
GOP and Trump will counter, but they won't have Obama to blaime this
time.

Grass roots groups are showing up across the country. A large
number of anti Trump people plan to show up in Washington DC on the 21st
of January. I will try to pass along any links to sites
with more information on this, and other demonstrations.

These groups are planning to let Trump and the GOP know how they feel about
their plans to undo social gains since the 1950's. There is a chance the GOP
will get some of the same medicine the Tea Party gave the democrats a few
years back.  Trump may find out the swamp his supporters wanted him to drain
includes many of his friends. I kind of feel the only people he wanted to get rid
of was those who didn't support or agree with him.

I am not happy about a lot of Trump's viewpoints on things, but I think it would be worth noting that the ACA NEEDS to change. The way it is currently written it only increases the cost of health care of those that work... to the point where it is expensive regardless if you have private insurance, government insurance, or no insurance. The only winners here are the insurance companies. I think the act should be gutted, while retaining the mandate that insurance companies insure those with per-existing medical conditions.

Social Security is a by-the-book Ponsi Scheme. The only way it stays afloat is that more people are paying into it than are withdrawing. Many people my age (myself included) have accepted the fact that we will never see a dime of it when we retire, and are getting pretty sore about having to support people knowing there will be no support for us. Social Security needs to be transitioned into a mandatory retirement savings account or some other form of investment so that there is no longer a can to kick to the next generation. In your post above you covered some things I thing should be looked into. If both parties are willing to actually take a look and make some sustainable changes without immediately denouncing the idea simply because of who said it they might actually do some good.

As for college: All is well, but rather than pumping money into subsidizing undergraduate student loans (which people by and large use to get degrees that will have little use in employment), take that money and use it towards putting people through graduate school. We need more doctors and researchers and pharmacists. These are expensive degrees to get, and currently these people have no help in education costs, all while the public screams about them being paid too much. How about we focus money where we want more people to be.

Also, there is a lot of evidence that George Soros is funding these so called "grass roots" protests. Which makes me wonder: Where were these protests when Obama was re-elected? The election is supposed to be the people's voice. Why then are people protesting and rioting over what the majority of their fellow citizens chose? I'm not saying they should be happy about it. In fact I think they are justified in being upset, but what do they expect a protest to do after the election?

There is a funny pattern I've noticed in Congress: Whenever Democrats have something they want passed, they preach about bipartisanship and make promises of compromise, etc... Yet when the republicans want to pass something in the same way it is met with a firm "Over my dead body" and any compromise won't even be considered. Party opinions and platform aside I have to say this seems a bit childish, much akin to (but going on much longer than) the NC GOP members undermining the Governor's power.
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Re: Trump the GOP and Democrats. A new path or more of the same.
« Reply #49 on: January 06, 2017, 10:43:36 am »
Yes the ACA does need to be fixed, but all the GOP wants is to do away with it
instead. The big reason premiums have jumped is due to not enough young
people on the program. Another thing the ACA was a plan the GOP supported till
Obama touched it. If they do get rid of it, tens of thousands of jobs will be lost, not
counting hospitals going under due to people not able to pay for insurance or even
get it. Then of course many more people dieing.

Our man Trump was asked about news people Putin had killed. Trump responded saying people are killed here as well. Is he emplying it's ok for Putin to kill news people? What
connnection does Putin have with Trump? Putin claims Trump win is a victory for Russia. Perhaps Putin has promised Trump hotels all over Russia.

I did hear on msnbc that Trump has been selling high priced
real estate to Russian oligarchs. Some going for 100 million
dollars each. I think that would be a good incentive to be friendly with Putin. Imagine the fees Trump gets from a sale like that. I believe the fees run at least 5 percent. I
can't say that's why Trump is nice to Putin, but it's a good bet.

Anyone see the National Inquirer funny paper lately? it has been running rediculous political stories since last spring.Trump is claiming the paper is respectable, and people should believe it. No thinking person  takes that paper seriously.

GOP
The GOP is planning to run hearings for nearly all of Trumps cabinet picks on one day. The same day Trump is planning to have a news conference. It's likely all this is being
run at the same time to keep the national media busy. Since it's Trumps first press confernece in six months the media will likely use for headlines while congress gets away with raming Trumps picks past the democrats. I am sure they hope this will keep more of the hearings out of the major news. Makes one wonder if the GOP thinks they have such a mandate why are they bing so sneaky about what they are doing? Why be in such a hurry? Are they afraid the public will keep some of the GOP members from following the leadership?

To me it proves the DC swamp is still full of crooked politicians.

Former CIA director quits Trumps transistion team. That is rather
interesting. He said he didn't have anything to do so why stay.

Dem
I think the democrats can say. If your one of the tens of thousands who lost their job when Obama care was removed. Ask the GOP. We tried to keep it. The democrats should be able to do a lot of finger pointing. The GOP won't have Obama to point at any more.
Perhaps they will fix it if enough people complain. Then they could call it Trump Care.
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