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Re: Trump the GOP and Democrats. A new path or more of the same.
« Reply #50 on: January 07, 2017, 08:56:59 am »
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Womens march on Washington DC
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Indivisible Against Trump: A practical guide to fighting back.
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Info blog Msnbc.
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Trump
Our man Trump continues to lie. He can't stand the fact the
Russian hacking appears to discredit his election. Trumps
image is so important to him he will say anything and lie.
Seems to me lying would make a person look bad. So if he
cares about his image he should start being honest with the
public. If he continues as is he will leave office in disgrace.
Then he can lie to his self, and friends for the rest of his
life.

Also he claims to support the military. He should remember when
he discredits those in inteligence. Many are the same people.

GOP
It seems the GOP is running a race to pass bills, and approve
Trumps appointmens. Perhaps they are afraid the public will try
to stop them by changing the mind of some members of the congress
and Senate.

Seems strange the legislatures would be afraid to hear from
those who elected them. One of the above links leads to a web
page that tells how to properly contact your elected congressman or senator. I think they need to be reminded of who put them in office..

Will the GOP hold Trump accountable if he breaks his oath of office?  Trump has
many business interests around the world. What if he put them above our country?
I heard on Msnbc he is involved with the Mob. Trump claims it's part of doing
business.. Will the GOP investigate Trump or will the GOP allow Trump to do
anything as long as he signs on to the their anti social ideas. I think it's time
we hold our legislature accountable for not doing the job they were elected to
do.

I am sure the GOP is hearing from people who had big jumps in Premiums with
the ACA, but if they have a pre exsiting condition any coverage they might get
without the ACA will cost them dearly. Not counting returning to life time limits on
coverage. People should be telling the GOP to fix it not get rid of it. The GOP should
tell the truth about the ACA, not play politics with it.
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Re: Trump the GOP and Democrats. A new path or more of the same.
« Reply #51 on: January 08, 2017, 10:57:07 am »
Trump
Our man Trump continues to discredit the briefing on Russian hacking. Trump says
the hack didn't help him win, but he sure liked to use wikileaks which was fed by Putin
ordered hacks against Clinton. If the hacking didn't help him win then why did he use
that information in his campain? He said the RNC didn't get hacked.. The brief shows
they were hacked. But the information wasn't made public.

The GOP seems to be tip toeing around when talking about the Russian hacking. They
seem to be afraid to say anything really bad about Trump. Trump still refuses to single
out Russia on the hacking. Here is a link to the unclassified version of the brief.

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/01/06/us/politics/document-russia-hacking-report-intelligence-agencies.html?action=click&contentCollection=Politics&module=RelatedCoverage&region=EndOfArticle&pgtype=article

The GOP seems to be fast tracking Cabinet appointments even though they haven't recieved
the needed papers from those who were appointed. The ethics committee is raising issues
on this. The GOP is currently ignoring it.

A GOP leader is saying it's all politics, and that Obama's people were installed quickly in 2009.
I doubt if they would have unless all the "I" s were dotted and "T"s crossed first at the time.

Some supporters of Trump are still saying "Who Cares if the Russians helped. as long as Clinton
lost."  I wonder if those people are looking at facts or want to believe Trumps lies? I did a lot
of checking and Trump is much worse for the country than Clinton would  have been. Almost
everything was conspiracy theories, with little or no facts to support them. I don't doubt that the
Clintons have a few skeletons in their closet, but you probably would be buried with them if you
opened one of Trumps. He was hiding everything he could, and still is.


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Re: Trump the GOP and Democrats. A new path or more of the same.
« Reply #52 on: January 09, 2017, 11:25:16 am »
Trump
Our man Trump is supposed to have a news conference this week. Time will tell as he has
avoided to have any for months.. Perhaps it's because he isn't good on his feet. Some people
have trouble answering questions or making speeches without a script.

Trump has stuck his foot in his mouth more than once when talking to the media.  That's one
reaon they put a teleprompter in front of Trump during his campain speeches.

GOP
Just working to get what they want. Doing all they can to reduce government, cut taxes on
the rich, even if it hurts the disadvantaged..

Dem
Still working to delay the GOP and working to improve their image.
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Re: Trump the GOP and Democrats. A new path or more of the same.
« Reply #53 on: January 10, 2017, 10:56:14 am »
Trump
Our man Trump has hired his son n law to be a major adviser in the white house. Even
though it's against the law to give government jobs to relatives.  Seems Trumps
lawyers feel they have found a loop hole. I think it's saying the white house isn't
really a government agency. Seems pretty iffy to me.

Trump and his rich gang are having lots of problems getting rid of all those conflics
of interest they will likely have after Trump takes office. Time will tell if the GOP has
the guts to hold them accountable or not.

GOP
Run dog run, you cought it, now what? The GOP have control to rid the country of the
terrible Obamacare, so they are having trouble finding a politically safe way to do it. Now
that they know millions of people (voters) will likely loose their health coverage. When
Obama was in the white house they could pass bills to get rid of it knowing Obama would
save them with a veto. Now they will own the trouble they may create.

Dem
They are using the same delaying proceedures the GOP used when the Dem had control. For
some reason the GOP is complaining. LOL ..  Last I heard the Senate was still working after
midnight. They may be working 24/7 . I wonder if the GOP who did little but complain over
the past 6 years will be willing to put in the time.
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Re: Trump the GOP and Democrats. A new path or more of the same.
« Reply #54 on: January 13, 2017, 11:00:42 am »
It's been a few days. Trump had a news conference. The GOP have
started the process to take affordable health insurance from the
people. They say they will replace it with something better, but
after 7 years of complaining they don't have any plans they can
pass through congress.  Trump says it will be replaced almost
immediately, but government doesn't work that way except with
a dictator.

I know the insurance rates have gone up, and people blame it on
the ACA. At least the GOP does. I imagine when it's gone, people
will find out how much it really costs to have insurance that has no
lifetime payout limit or to cover existing health problems. A friend
of mine had to pay $750.00 a month to even get coverage due to a
heart problem. I was paying $40.00 a month for full major medical
at the same time. Now I hear it costs $1500.00 a month for coverage
through the ACA with health problems., and who knows what it will be
without the ACA with exsisting health problems. If they can get it at all.
Unlike the ACA there won't be any government subsities to help pay the
cost of the premiums. The GOP wants to give it to the Rich in tax breaks
instead.

We should move to a single payer system for all americans, but the GOP
would rather commit suicide than pass that. Even though it would solve
helalth coverage for everybody. Granted our taxes would go up, but I
don't think it would cost any more than most  insurance does now for  a
healthy person. Then if you lost your job you could still go to the doctor
or hospital without going bankrupt.

But money talks so it's not likely to happen in the near future.

People voted for Trump because he appeared to be an outsider, but
the big reason there is corruption in government is due to billionairs
like Trump. They don't care for the man/woman on the street. Oh
they make jobs. Then pay as little as possible for them.

Billionairs are responsible for high drug costs, High insurance rates.
High prices for fuel, electricity, and other things people need.

I am all for free interprise, and capitalisim, but it has to be
regulated. Otherwise the rich will stop at nothing to make a
dollar.  Even if it kills people.

They have control of people in government because it costs millions
to get elected these days. We should move to a government pay system
to keep the rich out of the loop. Untill then we will have corruption, no
matter what Trump or any politican says. 

I had a friend who was the cheif of the local fire department. He told me
a salesman tried to give him a bribe to get him to buy a firetruck he was
selling. So you can see how deep corruption can go if we can't put good
people in office. As is most good people can't afford it, and if they take
money from people they will expact payback.

Trump was supposted to be immune, but look at the people he has hired
Billionairs like Trump who made it rich by taking advantage of others.  They
say if it's not against the law it's okay to do. Just because there isn't a law
doesn't make it right, but they think it does. He also has lots of business
interests around the world. So he is not immune from corruption. He will
likely go for money over the country. He hides his tax returns and business
interests. So  it will be hard to catch him. I think thats why he is running
down the media. They can show the people who he really is.

He said he turned down a 2 billion dollar deal, but I bet he would never give
out the details. So it is most likely a lie. We can only guess why he defends
Putin at every turn. Sure it would be great to have good relations with Russia,
but not at the expense of our principles or allies.
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Re: Trump the GOP and Democrats. A new path or more of the same.
« Reply #55 on: January 14, 2017, 09:12:06 am »
Trump
Our man Trump stated in his press conference he wasn't going to
do business while president. He would turn it over to his son. Trump said it would cost him and family too much money. Now isn't thata too bad. It's likely he will be asking our military personel to risk and perhaps give up their lives, and Trump doesn't want to risk some of his money.. He could resign if he doesn't want to do that. I think it's shameful of Trump to act this way.

GOP
The congressional ethics committee is threatening the Government ethics office for what they said about Trump. Now isn't that
interesting that the GOP is defending Trump. It doesn't surprise me. Professionals, and partican polititicans look out for each other. They have no business checking each other for bad practice. It's like letting a fox guard a henhouse. They don't want to make each other look bad, much less get themselves in trouble.

I think the justist department can investigate wrong doings, but even then they are often partican. If Trumps pick for atterney general is approved. Will he support our constitution or his own beliefs? How much vigor will he have to protect voting laws, Minorites, women, and gays? I fear he will do little to do so.

The GOP senate intelligence committee is finally decideing to investigate the Russian hacking, and syber activity. They didn't really want too though. I wonder how hard they investigate the hacking to favor Trump? It will be interesting to see how much we the public find out.

The GOP had been complaining about Cubans getting special immigrint treatment. Now Obama removed this privalige, and now the GOP is complaining becasue he did what they had been wanting. Obama is only giving Trump some work to do. Once Trump takes office he will be accountable for what happens when he changes what Obama has tried to do over the past 8 years.

Dem
Congressman John Lewis said today that he feels Trump's election is not legitimate due to  the Russian involvement. This is a strong statement by a well respected man. I am sure the GOP will ignore it. He isn't asking for new election.. Also Congressional Democrates are agravated because the FBI gave Trump favor over Clinton. There was a ongoing investigation of Trump before the election and that wasn't mentioned. Why? Because they don't talk about investigations. But they did talk about Clintons. It  could have been a favor to help the GOP, but we may never know.


I hope any stink caused by Trump and the GOP will get strong enough they can't cover it up. Though they will try as politicans usually do. Trump couldn't stand it so he responded to  congressman Lewis comments about him with a disrespectful tweet.
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« Reply #56 on: January 15, 2017, 09:57:07 am »
Trump
Isn't interesting that Trump complains because people think Russia helped him get elected,
it was ok when he called Obama  illegitimate for 6 years. He is going to have to live with
it wither he likes it or not. If he wants respect, then become a honerable man, and stop
lying at the drop of a hat.

He continues to belittle the media and now he is moving the media outside the white house
for briefings. He claims the room that has been used is too small. It wasn't for previous
presidents, This makes it look like he is afraid to have the press too close. Or is he making
room for partisan news people to help support his nonsense.

I noticed "Saturday Nite Live" is still running skits about Trump. Perhaps it will thicken
Trumps skin over time, but I doubt it.

Some say it's just a new normal. Well much of what is called normal has been created
over many years for good reason. The normal worked well for President Reagan. So why
not Trump.

Trump scolded Congressman Lewis , said he should work and quit talking. The congressman
has done much to help his district. Not to help his self, but those who elected him. Trump only
hurts his self by running down a good man.

GOP
They continue to  say. "You lost live with it." I am over the loss, I just want the GOP to
do the job they were elected to do, and stand by the oath they take to support the
constitution of the country. Are they going to look the other way if Trump breaks his oath of
office? If they do we should hold them accountable. Politics should be set aside when the
constitution isn't being followed.

Dem
Congressman Lewis said he would have a hard time supporting Trump. Many in government
support Congressman Lewis and his statements. Though many in the GOP complain that the
congressman is being partisan, and should accept Trumps presidency.


It's sad, but people haven't changed since the countries founding. They still think of themselves
first. It's  human nature, but at least there are some who do think of the country first. I hope
they are able to prevail. A democracy can only last if the people work to keep it. Letting others
do all the work will lead to corruption. People who have been in office for years tend to start
working to stay in office instead of doing their job. We need new people who want to make the
country better for all, not for themselves. Trump claims he wants to make the country
better, but I think it's all about how much money he can make while being president. Directly
or indirectly. Time will tell, but he will do his best to hide it.
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Re: Trump the GOP and Democrats. A new path or more of the same.
« Reply #57 on: January 16, 2017, 09:40:12 am »
It's a big week in Washington DC. I am sure our man Trump will
have a big speech for all his supporters. He gave a 89 year old
man the boot who had spoken at all inauguration since Eisenhower.
Trump gave the job to a supporter instead.

So a local TV station is putting him on TV to anchor their coverage.

Trump seems to think nothing is sacred.

They are predicting the better part of 1 million people to watch Trumps
 inauguration and parade. I wonder how many art just going to see the
parade.  It's Trumps big day. So you can be sure he and the GOP want
to make a big deal out of it.

The next day there is a big event that women are holding in Washington DC.
They are there to show their disapproval of TRump and the GOPs plans. At
last count there were 1200 bus parking permits issued.  So it should have
quite a gathering on the 21st. I wonder if our shiny new president will notice?
I am not sure how welcome he would be at the gathering, but I am sure he
best keep his big hands to hisself.

I understand there were many groups out yesterday on the 15th showing their
disapproval of the GOP's plans to get rid of the ACA.  At last count over 3000
local groups across the USA, who are currently notifiying their congressmen and
senators to keep  the ACA, and other programs that the people need.

The GOP say they will replace it, but so far they have no plan ready, much less
working on one to replace the ACA. Trump says he wants it rplaced, but will he
deny the GOP their goal untill they have a replacement? Only time will tell.



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Re: Trump the GOP and Democrats. A new path or more of the same.
« Reply #58 on: January 17, 2017, 10:18:23 am »
Trump
It seems our man Trump is wanting his new job to be 9 to 5, monday
thorugh fraiday affair.  He plans to take off the weekend waiting till monday
to do anything at all. Perhaps he expects his VP lacky to watch the store
while he tends to personal business.

GOP
Seems our congressional GOP members were a bit overwhelmed over the
weekend as many people showed up asking them to not get rid of the ACA
and other things they plan to change. One Colorado member escaped out
the back door when he tired of meeting his voters. 

I kind of imagine this is just the beginning if they continue only helping
their rich friends.

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Re: Trump the GOP and Democrats. A new path or more of the same.
« Reply #59 on: January 18, 2017, 10:29:57 am »
Trump
Our man Trump was defended by Russias Putin.  Makes one wonder
why he might be worried about Trumps credibility. I understand Obama
has moved a lot of troops to Poland and Norway. Seems Putin doesn't
like this at all. Now why do you think Putin would not like american troops
in boarder countries?  Would be he has a plan to invade them after causing
instability in those countries government?  To protect Russian people I
suppose. Perhaps Putin thinks Trump will pull those troops out, and if
he doesn't? Could be Putin plans to blackmail Trump so he will.

Putin has used blackmail to get what he wanted in the past. What if
Trump had a friendly party while there last time. It is a fact that Putin
has cameras and recording equipment in all hotels and many other
buildings.  I remember many years ago our diplomats discovered
cameras and listening devices in the American embassy the soviets
built for us. Putin was in the soviet KGB so he knows all about spying
on people. So it's very possible Putin has something that Trump wants
kept quiet, no matter what.

I fear we will have a president who will sell our allies out to protect some
dirty little secret Russia has on him. Only time will tell.

GOP
Will the GOP hold Trump accountable?  I think as long as his supporters
like what Trump is doing they will look the other way. At least most will.

The GOP is considering a healt plan that would give those who have
pre-existing contidiions a way to have insurance. Only thing it would be
a plan for high risk people with high premiums and limits on how much it
would pay. They did mention they might enclude subsidies to help with
the cost. They should tell the voters this plan was tried once before, and
failed because the small states couldn't afford it, and with low lifetime limits
it's not much of a health plan anyway.

Dem
I hope the Democrats can get their act together so they can hold the
GOP accountable. If not it's up to the people in the end.

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Some people may feel this business between Trump and Putin is no big
deal for the USA. Might be innocent, but if we allow Putin to invade our
allies in eastern Europe it could lead to full scale war. I fear once Putin
moves his troops in it will take war to get rid of them. Some might say
give  Putin those small countries, they aren't worth going to war over.
Perhaps  not ,but where does it stop? People have let agressors have
their way in  the past and it always leads to domination by the agressor
or war.  Authoritarians like Putin only respect strength, just like any bully
does.

Facing world distruction perhaps we should let people like Putin have
their way. After all living under a dictator might not be too bad. If you
could call it living, I doubt if many would. :P
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« Reply #60 on: January 19, 2017, 10:21:19 am »
Trump
At noon on January 20th 2017 we will have a shiny new
president with the name Donald J. Trump. A billionaire who
feels he knows how to make the country great again. Seems
to me the USA is a great country. In some ways not very
compassionate, but almost anyone can become a billionaire
president.  In my opinon the rich are notorious for not
caring about the disadvantaged except for what they can
squeeze out of them. Time will tell if this
man proves to be the exception.

Our man Trump seems to think only billionairs are smart
enough to be in his administration. Perhaps thats why
he hasn't filled many jobs yet. Several of those he has
appointed have like many billionairs been involved in
suspicious activities putting money above all.

The national security council will be practically empty of
his appointments, because Trump hasn't found qualified people.
At least those he likes. There will be people there, but will Trump
listen to them?

We can only hope nothing blows up this weekend, because
there are few other than Trump to help him with decisions on
what to do. The job of President covers too much ground for
one person to handle it all. Trump may claim to know how to 
handle a foreign crisis. Only time will tell.

I think we can be sure Trump will be tested by China, Iran,
North Korea, Russia, and others during the first few months
of office. So he best get busy filling the jobs. Very few require
senate approval.

Previous presidents had most jobs filled by now, especially
those dealing with the security of our country. Trump hasn't
done it yet.

GOP
Many of Trumps appointments are not having a easy time in
their hearings.. Of course they are largely friends of the GOP
so it's not surprising it's mostly the Democrats who are
bringing up their poor activities. The GOP is mostly ignoring
this and plan to confirm them all. If they do we can expect
to see changes, and some may cause more harm than good.

The man chosen to run the EPA doesn't seem to care if we have
clean air or water. Just leave it to big business. Isn't it odd, those
who run them live in pristine areas. While letting the rest of us deal
with their pollution.

I hope the voters give our politicans the credit they deserve
in 2018.
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« Reply #61 on: January 20, 2017, 09:29:34 am »
Trump
Our man Trump still has over 650 appointments to make for
government agencies. So far only 30 have been made and those need senate approval. What has Trump been doing? Just Tweeting or watching the news on tv? He has had over two months to fill jobs. Some of these jobs deal with national security. It appears it will be months before this work is done. He had time for speeches and bluster. I am thinking Trump isn't much of a manager. I think over the years he hired people to do what it takes to run a business. He just bullied his way through life, and still does. This is the man we allow control of our nukes. We can only hope Trump really understands what he can do to our world.

Those jobs unfilled. Trump is asking some of Obamas appointments to stay
while he figures out who to replace them with. Odd Trump claimed Obama
created isis. Still he wants Obamas man who has been helping Obama stop 
isis to stay. If Trump felt Obama started it why would he want to keep any
of his people? Could it be Trump was lying about Obama? Or worse yet 
was he just guessing, or listening to Putin.

Now Trump takes office with his people under investigation for collaberating with the Russians to get him elected. He has a huge conflict of interest problem as well. He will be open to law suits from people his businesses are causing harm to. I have a hunch his lawyers are going to be very busy. If Trump tries to stop investigations it will add to suspicions of wrong doing. That's what caused President Nixon to resign.

Another thing Trump as president he can no longer promote any private interprise including his own. Also many agencies that regualate business are appointed by the president. So will he tell them to do favors for friends or hisself.

Trump has no business being president with all the possible conflicts of interest he has. I am sure he plans to make millions as president, but he could loose just as much if he isn't very careful.

Today he claimed his cabinet had the highes IQ of any cabinet. Why? because
he thinks billionairs are the smartist people in the world. I don't think knowing
how to get by with not paying taxes, bills, and other debts shows intelligence,
but mostly greed.

I imagine many of his supporters held their nose when they voted for Trump,
he better of two evils so to speak. I hope the nose holding decision was a good
one for us all. I think we should know in a few months. He told the GOP he
would  sign whatever bill they send him. If so we will see his true colors very
soon.

I know how people were treated in the 1950's. It's possible we will get to see
it again if the GOP has their way. Only time will tell.

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Re: Trump the GOP and Democrats. A new path or more of the same.
« Reply #63 on: January 21, 2017, 10:13:28 am »
Trump said on Day One of his Presidency that he was going to make IMMEDIATE changes to how things are run. Well, here's 3 of them for starters.  :o

http://money.cnn.com/2017/01/20/real_estate/trump-suspends-fha-premium-rate-cut/index.html
http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/20/politics/reince-priebus-regulations-memo/index.html
http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/20/politics/trump-signs-executive-order-on-obamacare/index.html

Thank you for your post Kobuk. I am afraid this is only the beginning.

I hope the womens march gives our friendly GOP something to think
about. Trump lives in his own worlld so he probably fussed because
of the extra traffic. If he even noticed them.

Trumps Speech.

President Trump. In his speech he said he was looking ouf
for all americans.  So let's see if he defends hispanic and
black voters in Texas. Obama's Justice department was.

He also signed a exective order telling to not strongly enforce laws
regulating the ACA. To weaken it.. Now when the ACA starts to falter
because of this they can say. "Look we said it wasn't any good see how it's
failing? "  More people he isn't looking out for. Unless he presses congress
to replace the ACA first.

He is still planning to build a wall along the boarder with Mexico. A waste
of money since walls do little to stop determend people. Over the last few
years many people are going south into Mexico instead.

Our new President is not so much a republican as he is a nationalist. This
country is great due to it's diversity. If we turn inward we will loose much
more than we will gain.

Nationalisim won't protect us from foreign terrorists, in fact it will make it
easier for them to attack us. Trump uses fear, and hate to spread his way of thinking. I hope the good people of this country tell our legislature how
the feel about Trump and their ideas.

Trumps speech also appeared to say he plans to increase police around the country. Perhaps to start profiling as well. So minorities may have even more problems. More people he isn't looking out for.

His speech was aimed at his supporters not those who arn't. After loosing
the popular vote by almost 3 million votes he should be reaching out to all
people not just those who voted for him. If he doesn't I fear the country is
in for bad times. Only time will tell. 

Some probably say "Hey he hasn't had time to do anything." Well his cabinet
picks show what he is. He picked an atterney general who is against voting
rights, Gays, minorities, and womens rights. A head of education who wants
to do away with public schools. A man who doesn't care about the enviroment
for the head of the EPA.. A head of human health and services who wants to
get rid of the ACA, and womens health care, cut mdicare, and medicade.
This is just four of his picks, and the GOP is mostly fine with them.

THe GOP talks about unity, what about the un-unity they had when Obama
was elected. They have no shame.
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Re: Trump the GOP and Democrats. A new path or more of the same.
« Reply #64 on: January 22, 2017, 10:23:06 am »
Women stood up on the 21st and let our polititicans and Trump know
what they thought. It made me proud to see people stand up for what
s right. Millions around the world, but if they don't organize our friendly
legislature and Trump will say. "Just a flash in the pan. by next year
they will be gone."

President Trump
He is such a egomaniac. The first words relayed by his press secretary is
about how big his crowds were? Then on Meet the Press Kelly Conway never
replied to the question "why talk about crowds?". As usual all she did was
try to divert instead of answering any question from the press. Does  she
expect us to believe this and can't see what she is trying to do? Why not just
answer the question? She always avoids questions that might make Trump
look bad. I guess Trump pays her a lot of money to make up stories for
him. After all when she worked for Ted Cruz she wasn't nice when she talked
about Trump. Just shows she is working to make Trump look good. Really
kills her credibility though.

Ever heard of alternative facts? What would they be? Sounds like fake
facts to me. She came out and claimed there was alternative facts.
Perhaps she was referring to other facts, but she didn't say "Other facts"

Our new President is going to loose credibility if he worries about petty
things and makes false claims. When he was a canidate we could expect
flip flops, but as president his words count. So swiching position/truths
every day or so will harm him and the country.

I kind of think Trump feels what made him successful in his campain
will continue to work as President. Time will tell. I think it's Trumps plan
to make the Press a whipping boy because there isn't anyone like Clinton
or Obama to blame.  He has blamed the media in the past to cover his
problems.

 Authoritarians like Trump get the idea they are smarter than anyone
else, and end up being loosers. He had 4 bankrupcies so now he is going
to run the country?

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« Reply #65 on: January 23, 2017, 10:38:02 am »
This is Trumps first real working day. So it will be tomorrow before I will have
much to say about it.

I do feel that Trump should never have run for president. His habits are going to
cost the government billions of dollars over the next 4 years.  Each trip to his
tower in New York and back will cost 10's of millions in security and travel costs.

I don't think Trump will be happy sitting in the White House for weeks at a time. I
understand he may be leaving each weekend. Each trip will cost 10's of millions
more of hard earned tax dollars. If he really cares about the the deficit he will stay
put unless he really needs to travel.

The secret service needs a lot of infrastructure where ever the president is. So they
have fly several plane loads of equipment where ever he goes. They have to fly at least
two or three airforce one planes so people on the ground won't know which one the
president is in.  In New York there is a constant security force to keep his residence safe.
The military flies fighter jets over New York making sure no one tries anything from the air
especially when Trump is there.  The City of New York will have to be paid for their round
the clock stationing of men and material.

Even a man like Obama who didn't maintain a out of Washington DC residence cost
the government 10's of millions to travel around the country.  It's just part of the
cost of keeping our leader safe from those wishing him/her harm.

With all his properties around the world I hope we don't have to put our military people
at risk to keep his property safe, but it's likely we will. 

I doubt if most people who voted for the man thought about this. It's another reason he
should sell off his properties. He won't because it would cost him some of his precious
money, and his money is more important to Trump than the lives of those who will have
to protect it.

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Re: Trump the GOP and Democrats. A new path or more of the same.
« Reply #66 on: January 23, 2017, 04:16:33 pm »
@oldrabbit from what iv heard he stepped down as CEO and place someone else in charge of his companies so he is no longer working at them, but still majority stock holder i guess. not completely sure about this but hopefully he does realize how expensive it is, and limit his visits anywhere.

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Re: Trump the GOP and Democrats. A new path or more of the same.
« Reply #67 on: January 24, 2017, 11:29:54 am »
@oldrabbit from what iv heard he stepped down as CEO and place someone else in charge of his companies so he is no longer working at them, but still majority stock holder i guess. not completely sure about this but hopefully he does realize how expensive it is, and limit his visits anywhere.

Yes he did turn over his control over his business to his family. Only thing I rather
doubt if he stops visitiing with them. How do we know he doesn't tell them when
he is going to change a policy that could affect one of those businesses.

He is already being  sued for taking money from foreign governments which is
unconstitutional. As long has he has any control even second hand control of
his properties he will be under suspicion of wrong doing.

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Our president continues to worry over crowds and the popular vote. He
continues to call the media liers even when they report his own words.  It
appears he is  wanting to discredit the media. To what end who can say.

A press conference was more like one seening a country with a dictator, They
took questions first from news services that support the State (Trump) Not to
say they didn't take questions from the major media, but it makes one
wonder where this is leading. Then again it may be nothing at all.

The GOP did approve his pick to lead the CIA.  I imagine most all
his picks will be approved. Time will tell.
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Re: Trump the GOP and Democrats. A new path or more of the same.
« Reply #68 on: January 25, 2017, 11:31:57 am »
Trump
So far his exective orders are much the same as any other
republican president would have done. So Trump isn't being
greatly different so far. Even though his ideas about the
media are not good

We can't really say if he is being enfluenced by the VP or
others he respects. Time will tell if he keeps his political
promises or not.

The pipelines he resurected are supported by the GOP, but
claims its to create many jobs is baseless. True it will
create temporary jobs, but once done there will be less
than 50 jobs for pipe line inspection over all. The
Pipline going to the  gulf is for the benifit of Canadian
oil interests not ours.

These pipelines risk polluting the aquifers that supports
much of the central food growth for the country. If it is
polluted we will have to depend on rain alone to grow
crops in the plains states. It happens that Trump owns
stock in the canadian oil companies. With the earthquakes
in Oklahoma will the pipelines stand up to them?

Trump and the GOP are putting much of our fresh water at
risk for temorary jobs. Trump has effectivly shut the
EPA down. The employees are under a gag order as well.

Trump has done much the same to several other government
agencies as well. Web site data for these agencies are being
cleared as well. Time will tell how this works out.

I hope Trump isn't planning to control what they put out
for the public to see.

Trump signed an excectave order to not let federal funds
support abortion or any help for it anywheree in the world.
This is supported by the GOP and any GOP president would have
done the same. I know many people hate abortion and some will
even kill to stop it, but this order will cause more abortions. Since
Obama allowed education for women about abortions the number
of abortions have decreased over the years. This short sighted
idea to defund planned parenthood will cause a lot of suffering
for women and will cause more unwanted pregnancies.

As with many issues, the idea there is a simple fix for a presumed
problem rarely has the wanted effect. Instead it will likely
make the problem worse.

Trumps idea to get rid of the trade agreement with east asia he
promised to do is causing farmers in the midwest to loose a lot
of money because they won't be able to sell their grainn to
the far east. Saving jobs in one part of the country can often
kill jobs or business in another part of the country. I think
president Trump will find out fixing one problem can cause
another. It's not like running a business that usually only
effects local areas.

Another thing the GOP continues to complain about the growth
of government though the federal work force hasn't increased
during Obamas presidency. Even though the population has
continue to grow. Much of what the GOP claims is nothing
but a whitewash to cover aid to their rich supporters.
Through tax breaks and less regulations. Also it turns out
most annoying regulations for business is at the state level
not the federal.
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Re: Trump the GOP and Democrats. A new path or more of the same.
« Reply #69 on: January 25, 2017, 10:11:41 pm »
These pipelines risk polluting the aquifers that supports
much of the central food growth for the country. If it is
polluted we will have to depend on rain alone to grow
crops in the plains states. It happens that Trump owns
stock in the canadian oil companies. With the earthquakes
in Oklahoma will the pipelines stand up to them?

Trump signed an excectave order to not let federal funds
support abortion or any help for it anywheree in the world.
This is supported by the GOP and any GOP president would have
done the same. I know many people hate abortion and some will
even kill to stop it, but this order will cause more abortions. Since
Obama allowed education for women about abortions the number
of abortions have decreased over the years. This short sighted
idea to defund planned parenthood will cause a lot of suffering
for women and will cause more unwanted pregnancies.

Trumps idea to get rid of the trade agreement with east asia he
promised to do is causing farmers in the midwest to loose a lot
of money because they won't be able to sell their grainn to
the far east. Saving jobs in one part of the country can often
kill jobs or business in another part of the country. I think
president Trump will find out fixing one problem can cause
another. It's not like running a business that usually only
effects local areas.

that pipe line thing is a little worrisome... hopefully those things hold, and if any issues/faults in the pipe line are detected they will stop using it.

as for the not letting federal funds support abortion i am all for that. i dont see why our tax dollars should go towards people who are not careful. with rape victims i can mostly understand though this depends heavily on why they got raped. if they went out at a bar with minimal clothing and got drunk with some random guy they should have been more careful, if they were walking down the street with normal clothing they should get our full support. people need to start realizing that in some cases the rape victims have alot of fault placed on themselves, though i do still support federal funding for abortions in rape cases.
though for the women who just go out with random guys for sex, get pregnant and demand the government pay for the abortion forget that... i dont want any of my money going towards you just so you can go around having unprotected sex when ever/with who ever you want.

and as for the farmers hopefully they dont fall too far. i dont really know what the trade agreement did, but hopefully even if things get really bad for the farmers it will create more jobs than the jobs lost.

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« Reply #70 on: January 26, 2017, 11:00:51 am »
I don't favor doing abortions just because it's inconvenient for the mother
to have the child. But some people who don't want any support for
abortions don't care if the mother will die, or if it was a child who was
raped, or due  to any rape. Including incest. One ignorant man running
for the US Senate as a Republican said."The womans body will abort a
pregnancy on it's own if it was rape." He wasn't elected fortuantly, but I
am sure the GOP wished he had been.

They don't want birth control, or education on how to prevent pregncies. They
say once sperm hits egg it's done, and nothing should stop it. Being a man I
can't understand what a woman deals with when she is pregnant, but from
what i have heard having a abortion is very difficult thing for a woman
emotionally. Then when politiicans think they have a right to interfere I am
sure it makes it even worse.  Most of them are MEN who haven't the slightest
idea of what it's like to be pregnant.

Women should have reasonable control of their bodies, and the government
shouldn't order them to give up the right. No more than a homosexual should
be told who they can love or marry.

I know many people do understand there is a need for abortions, but the
radicals who don't create a lot of problems for women who need reproductive
health care. This business of not funding Planned Parenthuood is a snowjob.
Their purpose isn't for abortions, but for womens health..They usually try
to counsel the woman into having the child.  For the most part the GOP
uses this issue to get votes at womens expense.

Trump
The president continues to harp on voting fraud, and how illegal voters
gave Clinton such a lead in the popular vote. Now he plans to have it
investigated. To what end, who can say.

He signed a order to go after illeagle aliens in our cities. The cities have
protected them unless they were shown to be danger to the public. They
will not help goverenment agents to find aliens. The reason? because they
want their residents to feel secure when calling the police to report a crime. Otherwise they likely would not.

Trump is starting the process for the Trump wall. Or perhaps Trumps folly
before it's done. I was wondering to my self, will Mexico let us stand on
their side of the boarder to work on their side of the wall?  Or will we have
to build it set back on us far enough to have room to build it. A interesting
thought at least. What if the river that seperates our country from Mexico
moves. Then the wall could be in the wrong place. I wonder if it will be built
in the middle of the Rio Grand river. Also if I am not mistaken the boarder runs through a large body of water near the southern tip of Texas. Are they going
to buid a wall through it down to the lake bed?

Trump is saying we should take Iraq's oil. Perhaps to pay us for helping
them. I don't think we were invited in the first place. This will cause bad
feelings  between us and the middle eastern oil countries at the very
least. Trump really shouldn't make policy like this publicly untill he
finds out how the leaders of these countires feel. His words alone could
cause misunderstandings that may lead to problems.

GOP
The GOP has turned the Voice of America radio into a partisan state
radio station run at the pleasure of the president. To brocast inside the
USA as Trump pleases. He has already appointed people to run the station.
This is no different than state radio under adictatorship. Trump can brodcast
his opinons, and lies about anything he feels is good ro him or the country.

This station used to be to be broadcast abroad to keep people in other
countries informed of news and intertainment. Also to tell other countries
about our policies. Untill last november it was alwasy ran by non parisan
group of people knolegable about broadcating in general. The GOP changed
it so the president can appoint anyone to run it. I don't think it was an
accident they made this change after Trump was elected..

It seems our politicians will stop at nothing to get what they want politically.
If we let them decide without opposition who knows how far they will go.
Even good people of consious can do bad things when convinced they
should.

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Re: Trump the GOP and Democrats. A new path or more of the same.
« Reply #71 on: January 26, 2017, 02:47:34 pm »
I don't favor doing abortions just because it's inconvenient for the mother
to have the child. But some people who don't want any support for
abortions don't care if the mother will die, or if it was a child who was
raped, or due  to any rape. Including incest. One ignorant man running
for the US Senate as a Republican said."The womans body will abort a
pregnancy on it's own if it was rape." He wasn't elected fortuantly, but I
am sure the GOP wished he had been.

They don't want birth control, or education on how to prevent pregncies. They
say once sperm hits egg it's done, and nothing should stop it. Being a man I
can't understand what a woman deals with when she is pregnant, but from
what i have heard having a abortion is very difficult thing for a woman
emotionally. Then when politiicans think they have a right to interfere I am
sure it makes it even worse.  Most of them are MEN who haven't the slightest
idea of what it's like to be pregnant.

Women should have reasonable control of their bodies, and the government
shouldn't order them to give up the right. No more than a homosexual should
be told who they can love or marry.

I know many people do understand there is a need for abortions, but the
radicals who don't create a lot of problems for women who need reproductive
health care. This business of not funding Planned Parenthuood is a snowjob.
Their purpose isn't for abortions, but for womens health..They usually try
to counsel the woman into having the child.  For the most part the GOP
uses this issue to get votes at womens expense.

Trump
The president continues to harp on voting fraud, and how illegal voters
gave Clinton such a lead in the popular vote. Now he plans to have it
investigated. To what end, who can say.

^ I don't see this as being an issue. It's only an issue because crybaby Trump is having a temper tantrum because he lost the popular vote which seems to have hurt his pride. Oh boo hoo.  :P Cry me a river.
Is this how the voter fraud issue got started?

http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/26/politics/bernhard-langer-donald-trump-voter-fraud/index.html

He signed a order to go after illeagle aliens in our cities. The cities have
protected them unless they were shown to be danger to the public. They
will not help goverenment agents to find aliens. The reason? because they
want their residents to feel secure when calling the police to report a crime. Otherwise they likely would not.

Trump is starting the process for the Trump wall. Or perhaps Trumps folly
before it's done. I was wondering to my self, will Mexico let us stand on
their side of the boarder to work on their side of the wall?  Or will we have
to build it set back on us far enough to have room to build it. A interesting
thought at least. What if the river that seperates our country from Mexico
moves. Then the wall could be in the wrong place. I wonder if it will be built
in the middle of the Rio Grand river. Also if I am not mistaken the boarder runs through a large body of water near the southern tip of Texas. Are they going
to buid a wall through it down to the lake bed?

^ Mexico's President has canceled a meeting with Donald Trump. He has also repeatedly said that Mexico will NOT pay for the wall. Guess this is one campaign promise DT may not be able to keep. Score: Mexico - 1, Trump - 0.  :D
http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/25/politics/mexico-president-donald-trump-enrique-pena-nieto-border-wall/index.html
Trump wants 20% tax to pay for border wall.
http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/26/politics/donald-trump-mexico-import-tax-border-wall/index.html

Trump is saying we should take Iraq's oil. Perhaps to pay us for helping
them. I don't think we were invited in the first place. This will cause bad
feelings  between us and the middle eastern oil countries at the very
least. Trump really shouldn't make policy like this publicly untill he
finds out how the leaders of these countires feel. His words alone could
cause misunderstandings that may lead to problems.

^ Trump doesn't care about other people's feelings.  :P It's bad enough we were in 2 Iraq wars, now Trump may be signaling about a possible 3rd?  :o If we go back in again, it's just going to inflame more anger and tensions with Middle Eastern people's and create more radical extremeism against us.
http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/26/politics/trump-oil-isis-iraq/index.html

GOP
The GOP has turned the Voice of America radio into a partisan state
radio station run at the pleasure of the president. To brocast inside the
USA as Trump pleases. He has already appointed people to run the station.
This is no different than state radio under adictatorship. Trump can brodcast
his opinons, and lies about anything he feels is good ro him or the country.

This station used to be to be broadcast abroad to keep people in other
countries informed of news and intertainment. Also to tell other countries
about our policies. Untill last november it was alwasy ran by non parisan
group of people knolegable about broadcating in general. The GOP changed
it so the president can appoint anyone to run it. I don't think it was an
accident they made this change after Trump was elected..

^ Source for this?

It seems our politicians will stop at nothing to get what they want politically.
If we let them decide without opposition who knows how far they will go.
Even good people of consious can do bad things when convinced they
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« Reply #72 on: January 27, 2017, 11:04:43 am »
Here is the link Kobuk.
Voice of america issue.
http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/voice-america-has-concerns-about-team-trumps-takeover


Trump went to talk to the GOP in I believe Pennsylvania. I
hope the GOP paid for the cost of flying Trump there. After
all it appeared to be a political meeting for the GOP.

Trump
It appears President Trump is using unsecured devices for
phone calls, and Twitter. Trump was ready to lock Clinton
up for using unsecured emails during his campain. Now he is
doing much the same. As it stands his Twitter account
could be hacked. Imagine the problems that could cause
Trump and the country.

Trump proposed adding a 20 percent import tax to pay for the
Trump wall. Even the GOP isn't looking at this with much
favor. I imagine Trump is going to have to find another way
to fund it. A import tax would cost US citizens not Mexico.

The Mexican president canceled his visit because of Trump. Of
course Trump claimed it was a joint agreement. Couldn't
be Trumps fault of course.

Anyone notice how Trump starts snorting while talking? He did
it in all three debates...I think it happens when he gets
really upset. I noticed him doing it when he was talking
about voters being registered in two states. He has family
members who are registered in two states. So he best talk
to his family first.  I wonder if he is ever going to
get off this voter and crowd business? He asked the DC park
department to provide photos to prove his crowds were
bigger than Obamas.

I understand Trump may sign orders to undo Obamas sanctions
against Russia for their envolvement in our election. Will
Trump removed more of them? Only time will tell.

Trump may have to rewrite some of his executive orders due
to mistakes and being unconstitutional. I think he will be
finding things aren't as simple as he thinks they are.

A Russian Cyber security man has been accoused of Treason.
Perhaps it's becouse he spilled the beans about the hacking
and the story on Trump.  No way of knowing, but it's very
possible.

Few people in the USA like Putin and his actions. Even among
Trumps supporters. Trump will only say we should get along
with Russia. It's becoming very strange how Trump
continues to support Putin. Even over our allies.
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Congress
The resistance against Trump and GOP is starting to crack
some of the GOP's solidarity. Time will tell, but it looks like
the peoples resistance isn't slowing down yet, instead it's
increasing.

This resistance isn't just against Trump and the GOP. The
democrats are being asked why they are supporting Trumps
cabinet picks. With phone calls and groups of people at
their home offices.

Public pressure is causing Trump to back off a bit with his
gag orders on government agencies. Time will tell if it
changes.

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« Reply #73 on: January 28, 2017, 11:08:03 am »
Trump
The president signed a executive order preventing people from some
middle east contries coming into the USA for 90 days. Some were
caught in mid flight and have been stopped even though they have
legitimate visas. Some are people that work for our government.
Those from Syria are barred indefinatly.

This also affects refuges who are looking for a better life. Even for
their own personal safety. Should we let fear change the principles
of our country that we have had since WWII..

I find it odd there are over 40,000 people killed on our highways
each year, but we feel we need walls or armed guards to protect
us. The number of people killed by Terrorists is few in comparison.
We are way more likely to be killed by home grown criminals than a
terrorist. In fact most of the shootings have been by home grown
crazy people.

That's not to say we shouldn't be careful, and try to make sure people
arn't comming here to hurt or kill. But I think we are going to far with
Trumps ideas.

Are we going to return to the way we were before WWII? Our government
refused German Jews entry apparently because they might be spies. Many
were children under 14 years of age. A ship load of 900 Jews were turned
back to die in Nazi gas chambers. Many or most of these people died at
the hands of the Nazies  Many German americans were discriminated
against  as well. It wasn't just the Japanese americans.

The US passed laws to correct shameful practices like this. I wonder if
it's because people today have forgotten, or is it just fear like it was in
the 1930's.

People do terrible things when they are afraid. Having a
president who uses fear makes the problem even worse.

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Re: Trump the GOP and Democrats. A new path or more of the same.
« Reply #74 on: January 29, 2017, 10:17:06 am »
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Our new president strikes again. The executive order he signed
to keep out refuges also included legitimate people who happened
to be traveling back to the USA. Even those with Green Cards.
People who worked with our military, and state department. Even
a 75 year old woman in a wheelchair returning from a visit to her
family.

Fortuantly a federal Judge paused this action. Otherwise most would
have been sent back to possibly meet who knows what. Possibly even
death. Trump is likely trying to create a Muslim ban without really saying
it. People are still being detained under somewhat poor conditions.

After this thoughtless order can we expect people in foreign countries
to help our military, or even the state department. I don't think we
can expect any help when promises of protection are broken. It is the
very people that help us prevent terrorist attacks Trump is hurting.

This ban will give aid to the terroists who say the west (USA) is anti
Muslim, and will possibly help them gain support.

Trump is putting more far right people into the National security counsil.
People who don't support rights for minorities, gays, or women. Trump
needs to kick all those hard right people out. They will create more problems
for him and us in the future. I think they are at the bottom of much of the
radical actions Trump has taken.

On "Meet the Press" Trumps man was tripping all over his self making
excuses for Trumps refugee order. He is using the excuse "We are protecting
americans." I am not sure it will work out that way in the end.

One curious note. Some of the middle east countries he didn't enclude
in his entry ban have Trump properies and businesses. Suggests he didn't
want to hurt his businesses in those countries.
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