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Trump the GOP and Democrats. A new path or more of the same.
« on: November 18, 2016, 10:23:52 am »
Now that the election is over, I thought it would be good to have a place
to post how Trump, the GOP and Democrats work together. Along with
problems they may have or proposed laws and or changes.


We can give some opinons, but let's not make it a debate. We have
a place for Debates.

Currently Trump and the two major parties are in a transistion, so it's hard
to know what will happen after Jan 20th of 2017.

Trump is testing the waters as he looks to fill his cabinet.  So far he hasn't
really made any solid picks, but he wants to enclude some of his family which
is  likely to cause problems as there are laws against hiring family. Also it's
interesting how Trump is bypassing the same security he called Clinton out for
as he talks to foreign leaders on a unsecure cellphone. Trump tweeted that Ford
wasn't moving it's SUV plan in KY to Mexico, but he didn't pass on the info that
Ford had never planned to move it, but implyed it was because he told Ford not
to. It appears Trump is learning to be a politician.

The GOP is flying high hoping to pass laws to change medicare, ACA and other
things people depend on. Trump said he wouldn't support changes to medicare
or social security, but time will tell.  Also they are talking about starting the wall,
it's likely just talk. They know Mexico won't pay for it. I heard some day the GOP
has their eye on the social securiety fund to cover new expenses. They have done
that in the past, so they may again.

The Democrats are in a tisy trying to figure out how to gain seats in governlment
not only in the federal goverment, but across the country. Also they are makiplans
about trying to slow down the GOP hoping to limit changes to things they worked
hard for. I think they best return to their roots helping the common man, and not
the rich people who can help them selves.


I will post more as I feel there is something to pass along.  I will post links on
significant news reports. This is mostly a commentary on government.. I get my
information at MSnbc.  www.msnbc.com
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Re: Trump the GOP and Dimocrats. A new path or more of the same.
« Reply #1 on: November 19, 2016, 09:11:22 am »
The freedom of the press is very important for a people of any
country.  Trump seems to be trying to convince the public the
press isn't trustworthy. He hides from the press every chance
he gets. He should know as president he is in the public eye, with
no privacy. He constantly tries to hide from the media that he doesn't
control, and still hasn't released his tax returns.

Trump agreed to pay $25 million to settle his university fraud law suit. He
said it was because it would enterfear with his transition work. I wonder
how many people would give away that much money to save a few hours
of testimony.  I have a hunch he was afraid of the questions he might be
asked to answer under oath. Seems Trump feels he has much to hide, Should
we be worried? It might only be a habit he has from being in big business.
Only time will tell.

Not much new on the GOP other they have been showing some concern
about some Trumps proposed cabinet members. Along with the Democrats,
and the media. I think it's odd how the GOP was against Trump untill after
the election and now they practically bow in his presence. Seems a bit
of hypocrisy  to me. Will the GOP show the same concern for any suspicion of
corruption by Trump and family as they did for the Clintons? Politics being
what it is I doubt it, but time will tell.

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Re: Trump the GOP and Democrats. A new path or more of the same.
« Reply #2 on: November 19, 2016, 03:12:34 pm »
you can bet it's all going to be the same. The same broken party is in control of the house and senate. Trump will be looked upon as a temporary annoyance. They will block any of his efforts to 'change' things. I hear trump wants to do a new deal bill to get the economy going. For those of us who don't know what this was. FDR paid people to build roads. As someone put it. Paid one man to dig a hole. Paid another to fill it. This got many people working again and helped fix the slump the economy was in at that time. Until some unscrupulous people convinced FDR it wasn't working. Anyway trump wants to do this with both government and privet monies. This is how I see this going down. He will put the bill forward. The house and senate will hold America hostage over Obama Care. Trump will refuse to get rid of Obama Care. The republicans will refuse to pass any new deal bill. The republicans will also defeat any of trumps proposed changes in special intrust or lobbyist groups.

The irony of  trumps proposed 'truth in media' is it will shut down every media outlet that supported him. If he does try to force this he could be seen as unconstitutional and impeached. Trump has no idea what he's got himself into.

Acting like a spoiled brat will only turn more people against him. Trump is a pathological lier. He will say one thing. Then say something else. Then deny he said either things. He is a psychotic narcissist who wont be able to help himself.  He's going to make Clinton's "I didn't have sex with that woman" sound like Winnie the Poo's "Now were is my honey jar".  There is a pun in there. I do hope you get it.  :)

What would really be fun to watch. If the republican party looks to favor a truth in media bill will fox news network suddenly see the light? Start preaching the glories of the democrats and the evils of the republican empire......... :D

I really hope after these next four years America finally gets it. There is only one way to get Washington to work. Vote people in who are willing to do the job.
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Re: Trump the GOP and Democrats. A new path or more of the same.
« Reply #3 on: November 20, 2016, 10:06:12 am »
Trump
I think time will show who Trump really is. He had a meeting with Romney for
secretary of state. On "Meet the Press" one of Trumps people said the meeting
went well. Trump will continue to have problems with mixing his business and
his presidency though. Just saying he won't isn't enough.

Democrats
Senator Sandors says he will work with Trump on some of his progressive ideas, but
will fight him and remind Trumps supporters if his promises turn out to be lies. He
feels Trump should apologize for all the bad things he said during the campain. Also
tell the extreeme right to stop harassing people, and tell them he has no plans to
support their racist ways. He should also publicly apologize to Obama for his claims
that Obama wasn't an ameerican. The statement he made saying Obama was an
american wasn't an apogee.

World thoughts
Some leaders around the world are concerned that we have elected a fascist. Or at
least a man who could turn into one. Several countries have racist nationalistic
movements. Similar to before WWII.. I hope we don't see it grow here.

GOP
If the GOP isn't carful  their ideas could lead to a world depression. Much worse than
the recession we had in 2008. Turning the economy over to the rich without regulations
is a dead end for the middle  class, much less the poor. Our economy is strong, but the
middle class is loosing ground. That's why many people voted for Trump. I fear he will do
little to turn it around. Much less the GOP.

Go to www.msnbc.com    If you wish to read more about about current political news.
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Re: Trump the GOP and Democrats. A new path or more of the same.
« Reply #4 on: November 20, 2016, 11:02:07 am »
First MSMBC has the same love of propaganda as fox news network. Not to be trusted. Secondly it would be ridiculous for trump to tell people to not be racist. Seeing the cabinet of hard lined racist he's building. Fueling a divide in this country would only serve his push for trickle down economics. Not going to speculate here. Just going by what he's said and how he's rhetoric has played out through this election. Then adding who he's surrounding himself with.

No matter who our psychotic pathological lier is he doesn't have the power he he wants. No matter who he surrounds himself with.
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Re: Trump the GOP and Democrats. A new path or more of the same.
« Reply #5 on: November 21, 2016, 10:05:47 am »
First MSMBC has the same love of propaganda as fox news network. Not to be trusted. Secondly it would be ridiculous for trump to tell people to not be racist. Seeing the cabinet of hard lined racist he's building. Fueling a divide in this country would only serve his push for trickle down economics. Not going to speculate here. Just going by what he's said and how he's rhetoric has played out through this election. Then adding who he's surrounding himself with.

No matter who our psychotic pathological lier is he doesn't have the power he he wants. No matter who he surrounds himself with.

The legislature has the power, but the president can cause problems by appointing people
to jobs they shouldn't have. Be it due to politics, racialism, ignorance or just being
incompetent. Of courese Trump wouldn't be the first man who became president that
gave government jobs to people that shouldn't get them. I imagine most will manage to
do well. If I remember right President Reagan sent about 3000 people home who thought
they were to get government jobs because they were supporters. I imagine they were
sorely disappointed. Apparently he felt handing out jobs for political reasons was wrong.

I admit msnbc has some liberal pundants, but they do invite all parties to speak and answer
questions. Even if it's only to make a speech about their party line.  It was Senator Sanders
who said Trump should appoligize for his comments and to publicly say he doesn't support
racist ideas..  He said that on "Meet the Press" last sunday. Not an exact quote.

I know the news media tends to be biased at times, but who else do we look to? The
internet is full of questionable stories and lies. Most of what I have seen in the major
media outlets is not telling the whole truth, but what they think will keep the public's
interest. After all it is largely a business to make money.

If we discard everything, but what we hear our politicians say directly. We would know
only what they want us to hear. At least the media gives us information we couldn't
know otherwise. If it's biased or full of half truths it will catch up to them in most
cases.

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Re: Trump the GOP and Democrats. A new path or more of the same.
« Reply #6 on: November 23, 2016, 10:17:58 am »
It's been a couple days. and Trump has given us what he wants to do in
his first 100 days.  Like Obama he wants to improve our infrastructure, and
work on trade. Nothing said about the ACA or the Wall.. Trump claims he can
mix business with his office of president. It may be legal, but I have a hunch it
is full of land mines for him and his family.  One big problem is he can be impeached
for taking a bribe of any kind. Our founders worried that foreign powers might try
to influence a president with gifts, property or money.

GOP
Isn't it interesting how busy the GOP plans to be now that they have Trump. Obama
wanted to work on infrastructure for years. The GOP said no. Now they appear to be
for it.  They may be looking at Trump with a bit of worry in their hearts. Lately he hasn't
been quite as conservative as they hoped.

Dem
Though the democrats are the minority party they can make it difficult to get laws
or appointments through the senate. They need to be watching this infrastructure
bill as it arrives. It's likely to have a lot of incentives and tax breaks for rich contractors
in such a large deal that has billions of dollars involved.  The public might not care if
someone gets a lot richer as long as jobs are made, but sometimes it's the job of
government to see that crooked deals are not made even if it looks good in the
short term. We should remmeber it's the generations to come that will pay the
price, and the costs should be kept down where possible.
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Re: Trump the GOP and Democrats. A new path or more of the same.
« Reply #7 on: November 24, 2016, 09:36:04 am »
Trump
He is spending the Holiday with family.. That is fine. But when he is
president will he take off for holidays instead of doing the countries
business? Being president of the USA is a 24 hours a day seven day
a week job.

At over 2 million votes behind Clinton in the popular vote
shouldn't he consider those who voted for Clinton when making
decisions? He may say he owes his supporters, but he has no mandate
to do so. Just because a outdated system that catered to the slave states
put him in office, he shouldn't forget he wasn't the peoples choice.

The GOP doesn't want to talk about the popular vote. They don't want
rock the boat that gave them more power. Will the GOP make sure
that Trump follows the constitution with his business practices? Only
time wil tell..

The Democrats should be pushing for recounts in Wisconsin, Michigan and
Pennsylvania. There are some irregularities that need to be checked out. Not
so much to change the outcome, but to make sure the vote was accurate with
no corruption.  We can be sure Trump would want the same if he was on the
loosing side..

The Green party is raising money to have a recount for this reason.
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Re: Trump the GOP and Democrats. A new path or more of the same.
« Reply #8 on: November 26, 2016, 09:25:43 am »
Trump

He claims to be working to keep the Carrier company from moving to Mexico. I hope he is able
to keep Carrier here.. I do wonder how or what incentives Trump can promise to keep the
company profitable enough to provide good wages in the USA. They do have to compete with
other large manufacturers. If they can't compete they will go out of business.

Even if Trump managed to get Congress to raise stiff tariffs on Carriers products, they would
just sell to other countries to make a profit.. If Carrier can continue where it is by making
less money for their stock holders, perhaps they will. We  live in a country that holds free
enterprise, and Capitalism high so it's going to be hard for Congress to stop Carrier if they
really decide to go.


GOP is mostly talking about the death of Castro of Cuba. They want to undo Obam's work
trying to normalize relations between our countries.

Dem is keeping an eye on Trump.

Recounts are staring in Wisconsin. Promoted by the Green and Reform party. Trying to
show the integrity of the voting process. Though the Clinton campain is over seeing
the count, all interested parties are invited to do the same.

During the election millions of ballots were thrown out due to claims they weren't legal.
We need to work to make our voting process better to give all people equal representation.
I fear the GOP has little interest in helping make voting easier. They worked and were
successful in getting the voting rights law weakened by the supreme court.
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Re: Trump the GOP and Democrats. A new path or more of the same.
« Reply #9 on: November 29, 2016, 11:20:43 am »
Trump
Ihere are rumors that Trump is looking at privatizing the VA, Medicare, social security, and
doing away with Medicaid. At least the federal government side of things.

Somehow I think the GOP isn't foolish enough to proceed with such ideas. Millions of people
depend on these programs. The Poor, Veterans, elderly, and the handicapped.  I haven't heard
exactly what privatizing means other than people getting vouchers. Then use that to pay for
insurance plans.  Now I really don't think our money grubbing insurance industry is going to
give out insurance to people that have medical problems without charging huge premiums.
Where are these people going to get the extra money? To get on medicaid if it's still around requires
one to be practicaly starving and destitute to qualify.

That would throw a huge expense on the states. If medicaid goes away, nursing homes will
close due to people not having the money to use them. That leaves everything to the private
sector. The private sector is stressed now. So it will leave people to die in the streets, and
homes if they have one. Few family's have the resourses to care for ailing relatives, parents, or
the time. This is another situation where the rich often doesn't understand the needs of the poor.
Or why they are poor.

I know this is a lot of gloom and doom, but it's possible. Hopefully the GOP will come to their
senses and not pursue such a dangerous avenue. Again Time will tell.

The democrats will try to prevent it, but they have limits since they don't control either house of
the legislature.

Personally I don't think there is enough greedy, uncaring people in congress to do such a thing
to those in need, but with everying shifting to the right anything is possible. They did reduce
the food stamp program by 5 billion dollars claiming they were trying to reduce the publics
dependance on goverment. Then turned around and give big subsidies to rich corporate
farmers. Guess rich people are more needy than the poor.  :P It's likely they have more
friends.

Hopefully this stays only a rumor, but one of Trumps appointments has been
trying to privatize everything for years.
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Re: Trump the GOP and Democrats. A new path or more of the same.
« Reply #10 on: November 30, 2016, 09:13:59 am »
Turns out the Russians were very envolved in trying to get Trump elected. Even though
the GOP and Trump played it down. They knew about it, but didn't want to talk about it.

Trump has made many promises, but his picks for his cabinet gives us little
to hope for.

For national security he picks a man who let his maid see secrete codes.

For health services he picks a man who wants to privatize all the health care the
government provides for the disadvantaged. and poor. Not to mention he is very
cozy with the pharmaceutical industry.

For the treasury he picks a billionair who made most of his money taking
advantage of people.

He picks a woman to represent our country in the UN who has no diplomatic
experience.

For publilc housing he offers a job to a man who's experience is based on
growing up poor. He might understand the need, but not how to fix it.

Trump campained he would pick the best people to help run the country, So far
he has been picking people who supported him and or helped him win. 

I guess we should expenct Trump to want people who support big business.

Turns out Carrier in Indiana isn't moving to Mexico after all. I understand the
state is giving Carrier incentives to stay, and of course Trump and his lacky VP
are claiming they did it. I doubt if we really find out what kind of deal Trump
made to get them to stay, but he had little power other than promises to leave
them alone.

I am very glad for Carriers workers who get to keep their jobs, but I hope the
cost wasn't too high.

GOP
They continue to plan for making changes according to the mandate they claim
to have. I hope they give Trumps appointments the consideration they deserve.

I wish they would change election laws so anyone could run for government office
instead of only rich or famous people. We need to have the government provide
money for those running for office. That way elected people wouldn't have to spend
all their time raising money, and taking bribes from rich people. They don't call it that
but it really is. That's one reason people voted for Trump. They felt he couldn't be
bought. I think they forgot about foreign countries buying him though. Besides
rich people are always wanting to add to their riches. They wouldn't be rich if they didn't

People have a habit of thinking people who make a lot of money are smart and very
intelligent. This may be true in some cases, but it doesn't mean they would be good
running a country.

My brother didn't listen to our father because he never had much money. But his
ideas lead to his own bankruptcy. Partly due to him not listening to our father. Just
because someone doesn't isn't rich doesn't mean they aren't intelligent. To me it
means they have other priorites in life. As long as they work hard and have considerization
for other people they are intelligent and good.

That goes for people in all political parties by the way.
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Re: Trump the GOP and Democrats. A new path or more of the same.
« Reply #11 on: December 01, 2016, 10:37:47 am »
Trump
He is emplying he is turning over his business concerns to family, but what's to keep
Trump from passing information to his family to help those concerns.

It turns out that his VP paid Carrier $700,000.00 to stay in Indiana. One wonders why
it took him so loing to do that. I mean he could have done that soon after Carrier said
they planned to move. Some might say Trump threatened to cancel some governlmelnt
contracts for Carriers parent company, but I reeally  doubt they would believe that as
it would have cost many more jobs than saved if he did.

It's likely Trump and his VP the govenor of Indiana decided to use those workers as political
pawns to help Trump get elected. Since Gov Pense waited till after the election I doubt if
he would have tried to stop Carrier if Trump and he lost the election. Of course it's likely
we will never know.

Trump complained about Clinton wanting to help Wall Street.  Well seems Trump is turning
the cabinet into a gaing of billionairs club. Wonder what happened to his belief that we need
to get wall street out of government? Just more of his lies showing up I bet.

The more time passes Trump seems to be trying to make the USA after Putins Russia. Billionair
crooks and him running the country. Or wanting to get richer while they can.

GOP.. Will they put a stop to Trumps plans to grow richer at our countries expense?  I have
my doubts assomey of them are Billionair wana be's too.

I hope the Democrats get their act together so the public will have a choice in 2018, or many of
us may be in bread lines in a few years.
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Re: Trump the GOP and Democrats. A new path or more of the same.
« Reply #12 on: December 02, 2016, 10:15:34 am »
Trump
Trump starts his thank you ralleys, or is he campaining for 2020?  People said when he
is elected the lies will stop, he will be presidentual.  I listened to it. He sounded like the old
Trump to me. Playing the crowd loving the cheers with his lies, and exaggerations.

More on Carrier,  seems he saved only 40% of the jobs. 60% are still going to Mexico even
though vp Pense gave Carrier 7 million dollars of state tax incentives to stay.  Carriers
corporate owner gave their CEO over 150 million in goodies  so I doubt if 7 million over 10 years is much of an incentive to the corporatioin which has 6 billion in federal contracts. Not counting Billions in profits last year alone. During the election Trump was blaiming the
government because giving tax breaks to business was a bad idea. Odd it became a good
one suddently. Or was it another one of Trumps campain lies?

By giving a big company money to keep workers here is a bad presidence as other companies
accross our nation can say. "Hey we can say we are moving and get tex breaks. Even if they
have no real plans to do so.

It is good that 40# of carriers workers here  in the USA will keep their jobs, but the other 60 percent will have to find nnw jobs., or hope to.

By the way Trump has added the CEO's of EXON Mobile to his list of possible Secretary of state. The CEO of EXON is a good friend of Putin, so the Russian connection thickens farther.

Trump claims Billionairs are the best smartest people in the world. Why? because they know
how to make money. Just because someone knows how to cheat, step on people, and lie
doesn't make them a good cabinet member, much less a president.  In my opinon anyway.

Trump still claims he won by a landslide. That's a laugh with him 2.6 million votes behind
Clinton in the popular vote. Trump hates this, so he does his best to divert attention away
from it.

GOP
The speaker of the house says he talks to Trump every day. Even though he bad mouthed
Trump before the election he is licking Trumps boots now. I do hope there are enough
people in congress to see Trump for what he is, and not go along with every crazy idea
he throws out. The man he is wanting to appoint as secretary of defense is a retired
military man. This is against the rules. He would need an exception to be eligible as
the military are not allowed to be cabinet members. This guy is even under probation
for lying to the FBI..

Democrats are still trying to figure out how to gain seats in legislatures across the
country. They need to listen to the people. They want good jobs and a decent life.
They seem to feel the Demcrats have failed and are turning to the GOP with hope
things will be better. Problem is many of the problems were created by the GOP. If
the public would educate them selves more they would know better. The social media is
a terrible place to look for the truth even though many think it's better than the news
media. Turns out the Russians fed much disinformation online during the election to
favor Trump.
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Re: Trump the GOP and Democrats. A new path or more of the same.
« Reply #13 on: December 03, 2016, 10:13:37 am »
Trump
Wasn't it odd that Sarah Paylan started bad mouthing the GOP for paying Carrier
to stay. I guess Trump didn't give her a good government job. Could it be she wasn't
rich enough?

Trump loves his billionair friends.  Of course most people would love to be rich, and
tend to admire those who are. We should remember though. most Billionairs care
nothing for the common man.  They would throw food away in front of starving children.
They would destroy a forest rather than let people cut it for fire wood..  They only like
us when we have something they want.  Our hard work, and our money. We should
never, never let them run government. Where do you think Unions came from. People
got tired of being stepped on by the ultra rich.  I am sure Coal miners remember living
in company towns, having to buy from company stores. Givem credit so the worksers
had to stay.

I am not pushing for socialisim, people need incentives to work and grow, but getting
rich is like an addiction to drugs. The richer you are the more you want. Most times you
won't care who you hurt in the process.. So we need regulations and taxes to keep a
society healthy.  Other wise it will degrade into two classes. The rich and the poor.

Time will tell how Trump and his Billionair friends do, but we must keep them on a
short leash, or they will likely destroy our dreams.

GOP
They are mostly preparing to run the country as they think best.

Dem
They are still planning to stand their ground where they can, and work to gain
seats during in 2018 mid term election.

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« Reply #14 on: December 04, 2016, 09:19:36 am »
Trump
He continues to claim the media lies about him. I worry that if he can convince the
public to believe him over the major news media he will likely only use the office of
president to enrich his self and his rich friends, and who is going to pay for protecting
all his business interests and properties around the world?

He can say "Much of what I said in my campain was just talk, and wasn't meant to
be taken seriously. " But I imagine when the people get tired of waiting for all those
jobs and tire of his excuses. The truth will start revealing it's self.

Trump said he supports the oil pipeline that is being protested by the Sue Nation.
Apparently he or the congress doesn't care about the problems it might cause now
or in the future. Much less Indian treaties. (Money Rules)

On a lighter side. You think he will try to get the GOP to pay for a monument to his
greatness? Perhaps a nice big statue in front of the Capital building?  Or a bust added
to mount Rushmore?  This of course is silly, but you never know what Trump might
want.

GOP
They were ready to investigate Clinton over the next four years, about anything, but
now "Let's give Trump a chance, he just got elected."  Trump who has much to be
investigated. Even those he is appointing. It's time the GOP works for the truth
and not politics. They are hearing from the public to investigate Trump, but so
far they are making excuses not to.

Dem
They will try to push for hearings on Trump, but being in the minority they will have
a hard time. So the public must press the GOP even harder.

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« Reply #15 on: December 05, 2016, 10:37:28 am »
Trump
He continues to talk to leaders around the world. Even to Taiwan wich was a NO NO
according to our agreement with mainland China. 

It's likely Trump is working out deals for his businesses around the world along with
his leadership conversations.. There are rumors his businesses are getting approvals
for permits he had been having problems getting prior to the election.



GOP
If the GOP isn't careful they will be tossed out in 2018. They are going to own any
thing they cause or do over the next 2 years, good or bad. Trump and his crowd
might be in for trouble without the GOP to protect them. So they best be careful too.
That mandate they claim to have is pretty slim if it esists at all.

Dem
Haven't heard much new. Just fretting about needing to win more elections. I hope
they get their act together. It won't be easy as the GOP has set up many congressional
districts across the nation to favor themselves.
I know the democrats haven't been working for the little guy as much as they
should, but I think the little guy will soon find the GOP makes a lot of empty
promises.
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« Reply #16 on: December 06, 2016, 10:58:34 am »
Trump
His people continue to lie either by his orders or their own. They
said that OBama had been slower doing his transistion than Trump
has. Well Obama had his people picked by December 1, 2007. It's
December 6, and Trump is still deciding. I guess Trump can't
stand people thinking he isn't the best at everything.

Another lie by one of Trumps team was the cause of an attack on a
popular Pizza restaurant in DC. It was claimed the restaurant was involved
in gathering children for sex slaves by the Clintons. These kinds of disgusting
lies seems to be what can expect from the Trump team in the future.
Trump just says. "Could be, I don't know. All I know is what' I see on the
internet."  And this is to be our President?

Trump the Tweet master. He said on 60 minutes he was going to stop
tweeting, but so far he hasn't.. He apparently doesn't understand or
care that the world looks at every word he says. The most powerful office
in the world must have credibility. If our allies and enimies stop believing
our President it could lead to disaster. Other countries may start wars
or cause economic problems because of what they think Trump says or
means. No one man, no matter how smart can keep up with all the worlds
troubles and economics to make the correct or best decision without guidence.

So far he hasn't picked people that he can depend on to be honest. The kind of
people he has picked have their own agendas. They may or may not tell or give
Trump the best or correct information. One of his picks is and has spread lies
to make the Democrats and others look bad. Someone like this is dangerous to
our country, and Trump seems to think he is very smart. I fear he is smarter than
Trump.


GOP
Our friendly GOP legislatures are objecting to some of Trumps picks. Enough that
Trump has changed his mind for some. The latest news about the ACA (Obama care)
is the GOP is going to pass a bill that will get rid of it in 3 years. They know getting
rid of it in 2017 might cost them dearly in 2018 so they are putting it off till 2019.
"We will have a repacement by then" they say. They have no plans to,.It's noting to
but a way to hit and run from something they know will hurt them.

Truth be known the main reason they are againsts the ACA is because Obama got it
through congress. It's the same plan they had all the way back to president Nixon.
The ACA is nothing more than a marketplace for insurance companies. Along with
protections for those who have existing problems and to help subsidies premiums
for the poor. It's possible the GOP will come up with a new name for the ACA and
tell us how much better it is now that they have done it.

DEM
They hope to keep the worst of the GOP and Trumps plans at bay, but time will
tell..


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How I get most of my information. I watch MSNBC, and "Meet the
Press" on sunday mornings.

I know some of you feel the news media isn't always honest, but
I will say I haven't found msnbc misrepresenting anything. Also
if they do make a mistake they say so. There is fake news out
there and it all isn't on the internet alone.  Though msnbc leans to
the left. I haven't caught them in a lie yet, but do exaggerat a bit to
make a point sometimes. . The one thing I have noticed is they don't
try to make Trump or either party look good unless they earn it, and
they invite all politicians no matter
which side they are on.

Some of the other major media outlets do have commentators that do
exaggerate and lie to build their preferred audience, but I won't name
them. It's not my place to do so.

The following link is to msnbc's comments and news about Trump. If you
prefer a different source of information that of course is up to you. 

http://www.msnbc.com/topics/donald-trump
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« Reply #17 on: December 07, 2016, 10:58:44 am »
Gop and Trump are using corporate welfare when the free market and
trickle down economics failes to produce jobs or keep them in the country. Japanese industrialist plans 50 billion investment in US. Trump emplies
credit for it, but the plan has been in the works for months. Also much of the money is coming from Saudi Arabia apparently via Japan. Another rich guy that Trump looks at with much favor.

Some feel a business man will make a good president. That might be well in some
cases, but not the super rich.Money means too much to them. Exon and Russias Putin have worked together to drill for oil in the Gulf of Mexico.This is before
Trump was elected. Now Trump may appoint the Exon CEO for secretary of state.
With Trillons of Dollars at stake it's no wonder why the oil inndustry is against
climate worries. Another good reason to keep billionairs out of government.


The GOP  plans to put a wavier in a spending bill to make it possible for Trump
to appoint a favored retired General as sectretaray of defense even though he hasn't been retired long enough. The current law requires 7 years, but the general
only retired 3 years ago. What else does the GOP plan to tweak for Trumps benifit?

It appears the GOP isn't helping Trump keep some of his promises. Trump campained on requiring the Pharmasutical industry to negotiate prices on drugs
they sell to medicare. This would help lower the price of medicine. Senator
Sandors asked the Senate today to add this to a spending bill, but the GOP run
Senate said "No". I wonder if Trump will press the issue?  I will be surpised if he
does. The drug industry has much of the GOP bought and paid for. Probably some
democrats too.

Carrier's union exposes Trumps lie that over 1100 jobs were saved when it was
less than 740. Trump may not want American aircraft maker Boeing to build the
next Airforce One. If not it will have to be Airbus of france. Trump claims it's due
to price. Trump should be supporting american jobs, not those in other counties.
It's good to try to keep costs down, but with his lies it's hard to know what is true.

If your a political junkie like me, here is a good
place to keep up with politics online.
http://www.politico.com/
and of course all things political.
http://www.msnbc.com

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« Reply #18 on: December 08, 2016, 10:15:33 am »
Trump
Well it seems our man Trump is anti union. The man who claims to be
for good jobs for americans.  Of course the GOP hasn't been a fan of
unions over the decades. Pushing for right to work laws. It sounds good, but
many business take advantage of their workers if they don't stand together.

Trump said it was the Unions fault Carrieer and other businesses move
outside the country. Trump said they didn't work hard enough. Sounds
like he is calling american workers Lazy. Doesn't it.

He said he would punish those businesses who move with high tarrifs, but
this will only cause problems. Higher prices for products, and trade wars. Our
country used to use Tarrifs to pay for the government, but this mainly punished
the lower class due to higher prices for all goods. So we went to an income tax
instead. This opened up the markets which helped our country to grow.

Trump thinks only the super rich are smart enough to run our country. That's
why he is appointing all those Billionaires.  He likes people who know how
to manage money and people. The military manages people so he has
appointed several retired generals too.. Time will tell how well our country
does under their control.


GOP
Nothing much new, they are just being political claiming they have a mandate
as usual. The Senate did vote a good service award for vice president Biden. He
served for over 30 years in the US legislature.   I think it was unanimous since it
didn't cost the GOP anything.

Dem
They continue planning and working to keep the GOP from destroying the
progressive rules and laws which have been passed over the years.
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« Reply #19 on: December 09, 2016, 10:17:22 am »
Trump continues making his thank you ralleys, they are more like campain
stops to me. Perhaps he wants to keep his base stired up so they will support
his plans to make money for him and his friends.

He still claims his Billionaire friends are the smartest because they know
how to make money. Well government isn't all about making money.
There is concern for the publics health, security, and our environment.

He is appointing people who have a record of not caring about our
environment. Or health. He appointed a doctor to run public
housing. Why because the doctor grew up poor. That doesn't make
him a good manager of housing.

Seems Trump is giving jobs more as favors to those who supported
him than for ability. Knowing how to cheat, lie, and step on people
may make one rich, but it isn't likely they care enough to make
decisions for the good of the country. More likely it will be for their
own good.

Trump still plans to manage his business enterprises since the law
allows it. Even to produce a new version of the Aprintist. I suppose
as long as the GOP looks the other way he can break any rule or
constitutional rule of law he wants.

The moment he takes the oath of office it's likely he will be eligible to
be impeached by a responsible congress. Perhaps that's why he is still
campaining. To pressure congress to leave him alone, and do what
he wants.

GOP
Many in congress are making excuses for Trumps appointments. So it
will be interesting to see if they can pass them over the heads of the
democrats. Of course it's still over a month before the inauguration so
things could change.

Dem
Not much new other than talking about Trumps appointments. I think
they are going to try to make sure the GOP owns everything they
pass.  You can be sure the GOP will try to blaim any problems on
the democrats. If we remember. They tried to blaim Obama for
the recession even though it was GOP's lack of bank regulation
that created most of it.
 

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« Reply #20 on: December 10, 2016, 09:55:16 am »
Trump gave Clinton heck for being tied to Wall Stret.
Now Trump puts Wall Street in his Cabinet. Trump continues
to prove he lied and is nothing but a money grubber.

Trump says "We will hire americans" Turns out one
of his businesses in Fla just requested 64 working
visa's for foreign workers. So they can hire them.
Isn't that innteresting. Trump tells you and me to
hire our fellow americans, but he hires foreigners to
save a dollar. Trump tells the public any lie he
thinks will make his supporters feel good.

People that knew Trump said he was a Con Artist, but
the voters wanted to believe Trump. I am sure Clinton
with all her faults would have ben 10 times better as
president than Trump. She is leading by 2.8 millon
popular votes. Trump still claims to have won with
a landslide and a mandate.

GOP
The GOP and Democrats were informed in September that
the Russians were trying to help Trump win the election
for president. Obama tried to get a bi partison report
for the public. But the GOP wanted to cover it up. So
Obama knew the GOP would claim it wasn't true and dicided
not to persue it. I feel this makes the GOP complicit in this crime
and should be ashamed of them selves. They are
not true patriots, but people who only care for their
self interests.

I am not sure it would have made much difference, but
the public had the right to know. I understand Trump is
claiming the CIA report is wrong. I wonder why he would
care as it won't change the election results. Perhaps he
knows the truth, and fears it will hurt him with his supporters.
If they found out he knew he was being helped by the Russians.

Dem
The democrats arn't perfect, but they usually don't
look us in the face and lie. They may tell half truths
and exaggerate, but not black lies that can be proved
as such almost instantly like Trump has and still does.
At least the Democrates try to help the disadvantaged.
The GOP promises Jobs that usually fail to pay enough to
live on, and work to help their rich friends.
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« Reply #21 on: December 11, 2016, 10:25:00 am »
Trump
It seems Trump can't get away form being a showman as he continues to
do ralleys.  I think he should be trying to learn how to do the job instead of
trying to convince people he is number one.

He is still worrying over the Russian hacking reports. Is he worried that it might
make his election illegitimate? I doubt it would ever come to that. Though it is
possible he knew about it and hoped it would help him. I really think he would
be happy to accept their help. He asked the Russians to look for Clintons emails.
This was asking another government to break our laws. Now Trump is trying to
say it's all politics with no evidence. I doubt if Trump knows enough about the
internet to know or say what is possible.

Trump has been friendly in business with Russia for decades, so why not believe
he would have friends there that might help him.

Trump says "Lets be friends." when talking about other countries. Surely he isn't
that ignorant about world leaders and the ambitious nature of many of them. I
imagine many would stab us in the back if they had the chance.

Trump claims the man from Exon Oil is a great business man and knows leaders
around the world. As I have said government isn't about making money it's about
working to get along with others around the world. Talking about the things we
believe in. Human rights for people, womens rights. Would he talk to Russia or
China about hacking? I have my doubts the man or Trump cares about human
rights among other things we stand for.

GOP
The GOP claims they weren't hacked. Now I would be surprised if they are so
much better at keeping hackers out than anyone else. Though they deny it there
is evidence they were hacked. Besides if they truely weren't hacked. Was it to
help Trump? Seems odd the GOP would want to say it was one sided because it
does make it look like they had the Russians favor.

Well as I said before the election the GOP and Trump are wanting to get rid of
the right to have abortions for women. This of course is the wish of the GOP's
religious base. Without them the GOP would have a hard time getting elected. Some
of the GOP run states have been working to make it hard if not impossible for women
to get abortions or even contraceptives and reproductive health care.

People seem to forget that thousands of women, teenagers and adult both used to
die in the past getting illegal abortions. Some by doing it to them selves and dying
from bleeding to death or by an infection. This isn't just a physical choice, but a
mental decision women have to deal with. I think some get the idea these are
just people wanting to have fun and don't care about the one who is aborted.
It's a hard decision for any woman. Not a do it and forget thing at all.

To those women who think I couldn't know. They are right, I am just relating info I
have read about on the issue.

Dem
They are trying to keep Trump and his people honest, but their power to do so is
very limited. If the Democrats want to win they are going to have to show the
common man they care about them. Not just the upper middle class.

It's human nature to have comfort zones. People who work in factories and other
jobs that are going away due to automation and out sourcing have to be willing to
learn how to do new jobs. People in the GOP like Trump tell them they can keep
those jobs, but it's all lies. People like Trump feel all they have to do is tell the
public what they want to hear then later after elected say it was just generalizing
talk. Another thing is many good jobs don't require 4 years of college, all that is
needed is going to a Trade school. I think the Democrats should talk about Trade
schools and not just college.

We need people for all kinds of work, even jobs that get you cruddy. I used to come
home from work covered in dirt, my dad used to dig septic tanks out by hand. We
have machine to dig out septic tanks now, but good hard work is nothing to be ashamed
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« Reply #22 on: December 12, 2016, 10:37:20 am »
I really don't have anything new. Trump plans to have a news conference on the
15th of December.  I hope it's not just a speech as he usually does when he
stands up in front of people.

I have heard him say. "I don't know", but when he does it's usually about something
no one really knows, or about some conspiracy theory. Sometimes I wonder if he is
suffering from some form of dementia. He seems to have trouble keeping on track. He
changes from day to day, even on the same subject. Many older people seem fine most
of the time, then loose track of what they are doing.  It would be possible his people
would cover up something like that. When your around someone all the time one
tends to  not notice things like that. Or if you do you don't want to think it's not as bad
as it is.  I think Reagan was having problems toward  the end of his second term. He
did die of Alzheimers desease a few years later. I had an aunt that died of it when she
was in her mid 60's.

More than one president has had medical issues they have hidden from the public. I
hope Trump is ok, but seems when he is really upset he starts snorting. I saw it in
all of the debates. It's like he has trouble breathing under stress.  The media ignored
it for some reason. Guess it's because Trump said his doctor reported he was in perfect
health. Well he never handed over the results of a  physical made by a disinterested
doctor. So unless he faints or staggers we may never really know.

Time will tell, but I think it should be a law that someone running for president sumit
them selves for a physical by a independant doctor. It's required to have a physical
every year or two to keep a pilots license current, and when you join the military. So
why not as president. A job that requires 24/7  365 days a year attention, someone
who could start a war because they couldn't handle stress.

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« Reply #23 on: December 13, 2016, 11:13:42 am »
Trump
Clinton now leads Trump in the popular vote by almost 2.8 million votes. Trump says
it's due to illegal voters. No proof to show lying Trump is right.

Well he decided to postpone the news conference. Perhaps next month maybe?  It
seems he feels the public only needs to know what he wants to tell us. A news conference
might embarass him with unwanted questions perhaps. Trump always wants to control
his enviroment. No people that oppose his ideas, no minorities, at least those who might
ask why he fires black people because he doesn't like how they look. Fire women because
they arn't pretty enough to suit him.

He talks tough to a camera and supporters, but seems to be scared of anyone who
might not agree with him. I wonder how well he will stand up to foreign leaders.

He appears to have nothing but business on the brain. I understand when he talked
to the leader of Turkey he mentioned how much he liked the owners of some hotels
he was involved with there. Now it turns out the leader of Turkey has arrested those
people. Accusing them of being part of those who tried to take over the Turkish
government.. That same leader has been asking for an american naturalized citizen to
be returned to Turkey to face prison because he has opposed him in the past. The
Obama administration has refused to send the man back.

You suppose Trump will bend to the leader of Turkey's wishes to  get his friends out
of prison? To send this naturalized american citizen back to face prison or death, if
the leader there promises to free his hotel owner friends. Trump stands to make
millions if they are released.

This is only one thing our man Trump is involved with. Who knows how many
people Trump will sell out for a dollar. Perhaps none, but we may never know.

GOP
Our friendly GOP plans to reduce social security payments and medicare. There
are many people who barely get by as is. Do they care? Apparently they don't.
They don't want to raise taxes on their wealthy friends. We should watch to
see who votes to do this foul  deed, and vote them out in 2018.

Dem
Clinton lost the election by 80,000 votes over 3 states. So in reality the
democrats didn't loose by much. It seems there are 10 electors asking
to see the CIA report on Russian involvement in the election. I understand
there is omse rumors the GOP will have hearings on this issue, but some
are saying they see little proof. The Democrats need to  push the issue as
this is a bad deal. The government should be hopping mad over this, and
wanting to get to the bottom of it. Trump claims it's just a rumor by the
democrats. Who wants to believe a lier like Trump?
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« Reply #24 on: December 14, 2016, 10:41:30 am »
Not much new other than talk about the Russia connection. I
have mentioned before.If something new comes up I will pass
it along.

Trump
Our man Trump does feel those who know how to make a lot of money
are very smart. I agree, they are smart when it comes to running a
business or corporation.

But running a business is like being a dictator, an emporor of your realm.
Government requires comprimise. Human rights are paramount. A man
or woman who has no experience in government will find it hard when
they find their commands are thrown back at them.Those in business
do have to make deals with customers, but in business you can walk
away from a problem if there is no profit in it.  Often those in government
can't walk away. If they do many people can be hurt.

Turns out Trump has put together a group of Billionairs, and retired
military generals to advise him. I think the Generals are probably the
smartist of the group. They know how to work with government and
people to get things done. Billionairs generally just bulldoze their
way to get what they want. If someone is hurt,  they don't care.

GOP
The speaker of the house is making plans to have several bils ready for
Trump to sign. He knows with both the house and senate in GOP hands
they can ram bills past the democrats with few problems. They expect
Trump will go along with everything they want. I think thats why they
are pretty much kissing Trumps feet over the past month.

I just hope we don't end up under those feet when they are done.

Dem
I hope the democrats can find a few from the GOP to put up a roadblock
against the GOP's express. The GOP has been saying "NO" and done such
little work over the past 6 years they have much they want to pass.
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