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My latest experiment. I'm doing this before asking about it. That's why it's an experiment. Probably has more to do with I'm a guy. And as I man I typically don't follow directions well. :) Been watching vids on youtube about no knead bread. They all seem to have two things in common. They are all made with few ingredients. They are all very wet doughs for bread. So I did it differently. I made a batch of the bread I've been eating for a few weeks now. I had to incorporate the shortening by melting it. And I added 1/4 cup more water to make a sticky dough. This sticky dough sat overnight. This morning I preheated my oven to 400. That's 50 higher than what the original recipe calls for. I placed my dutch oven in and let it heat up for 30 minutes. Turned my dough out onto a piece of parchment paper. Worked it a bit to re aerate.  Formed it all into one saggy ball and let it sit covered until the dutch oven (DO)was hot enough. With the DO ready I rubbled flour on the outside of the now risen glob of dough. Scored the top to allow steam to escape. Placed it in the oven and then turned the temp back down to 350. The bread is now doing it's thing. The only thing I have left to do is uncover it for the last 15 minutes of baking. This will allow the top of the bread to brown up as well. Let you know how it does!turns out.

Here is one of the many vids on youtube about this technique.

Some things.
The oven is a great place to let dough proof. If you have an oven with a incandescent light that bulb will work as a heat source. A 60 watt bulb is the most inefficient light bulb we have. This bulb creates a lot of heat. So it will keep your oven at a good 80+ when lit.

The bread recipe i used called for milk. So I put milk into my dough. This milk has been sitting in dough for 8 hours. Cheese? I'll find out soon.  :D
general non-furry discussion / Re: Dogs are smarter than cats!
« Last post by Old Rabbit on Today at 10:22:51 am »
My tomcat must have been raised with dogs because he did not fear them. He liked everyone and could open doors with his fangs. Also responsive to commands and quite the mooch when takeout fish dinners were involved. He died in 1995.

We adopted a cat who had been raised with a dog. The cat was more like a dog in
how it acted. It wanted our praise unlike most cats who could care less. Goes
to show animals aren't that much different than humans when it comes to
emotional needs. Along with the way envioroment shapes their personality.

It's a shame dogs have such a short life. Seems about the time we get to
know them their life is about over. At least it seemed that way with the dogs
I have owned over the years. Sure they can be trained to do many things,
but it takes time to grow mentally.
word games / Re: The last thing you bought.
« Last post by Firelight on Today at 12:30:47 am »
A harry Potter gift for my friend.
general non-furry discussion / Re: The "Good News" thread.
« Last post by Firelight on Today at 12:25:23 am »
general non-furry discussion / Re: The "Good News" thread.
« Last post by Varg the wanderer on December 10, 2017, 09:09:59 pm »
I'm pretty sure our own Rocco just graduated bootcamp on Friday and is now a United States Marine. :D
general non-furry discussion / Re: The "Bad News" thread.
« Last post by Rocket T. Coyote on December 10, 2017, 08:17:19 pm »
My microwave oven, one month in use, quit in the middle of heating dinner. Had to finish cooking it in a convection oven.
foodie furs / Re: Home made bread. From traditional to no knead refrigerator.
« Last post by cause the rat on December 10, 2017, 02:48:09 pm »
After doing some research here's what I did wrong. That I know of.

What I did derring the kneading. i kept adding flour to the mix. Instead of allowing the dough to become elastic I forced flour into it. A sticky dough will become elastic without adding flour to it as you knead. Formed it into a ball and set it up to rise. That's when I remembered  I forgot to add salt. So i tried to knead the salt into the dough. The result is the salt was unevenly distributed. The dough was supposed to take up to 2 1/2 hours to rise. After about an hour I was looking at something the size of a basket ball. Almost five times the size of the original ball of dough. The salt was not doing it's job controlling the yeast. So between forcing to much flour into the dough and uneven salt I ended up with a dense overly moist bread. There may also be a problem with my oven's temperature readout. This is a common problem with all ovens. Even professional ovens.

What I ended up with is a perfectly eatable loaf of bread. With a stronger taste today than it had yesterday. Word to the wise. If you don't like sourdough bread? Don't make sourdough bread. :) I knew I didn't like this kind of bread before I made it. But wanted to try it anyway.

A confession about buying books. I said in an earlier post that I don't think books are necessary in the age of social media. I've looked at some bread recipes on line. For what little I do know about bread it was easy to see. Some of these on line recipes are really off the wall. Your best bet is to stay with sites like All Recipes dot com. Just be aware. You will have to go through a few hundred short bread, coffee cake and sweet bread recipes to get to a hand full for bread.

When looking for books I like to first go to Amazon. The first thing I look at is the costumer reviews.  The reviews I'm mostly interested in is the 3 to 4 stars. I'm looking for "misleading, recipe wrong, improper ratios, misprints" or anything else that says some of the recipes are wrong. Don't buy the book. No matter how cheap. What I do find most common is books with a very high approval will have people complaining there is no or not enough pictures. Well grab some crayons and make your own. : ) Now back to buying. I go through the prices on Amazon and compare with the prices on EBay. One more thing before you click that "buy now' button. Always check a seller's rating. Buying something off the net should never be a gamble. 

The books I have gotten the most out of,
"The Bread Baker's Apprentice". This book is not for thou's looking for lots of recipes. For a 300+ page book I think it's only got 100 or so recipes. This book is about techniques.
"Secrets of a Jewish Baker". First addition.  This is another book on techniques. With an added bonus of insights from someone who was a pro baker. Lots of sourdough and grain breads.
"Bernard Clayton's New Compete Book of breads. Revised and Expanded". Great selection of recipes. Each one divided into three techniques. By hand, mixer or food processor.
"The Bread Bible by Beth Hensperger. There are quite a few books named the same. Make sure your getting the right author. 300 recipes. All of them right. This is the book I got the bread from the middle ages.

Within these books there are conflicting information on the hows and whys. Proves there is more than one way to make bread. Try everything. Then stick with what you like and works for you.

And above all. If your just starting out find good social media. And ask as many questions as you can. Because social media is still better than books. But you still need a good solid place to start. And a good book is a great foundation to start from.
news forum / Re: Trump the GOP and Democrats. A new path or more of the same.
« Last post by Old Rabbit on December 10, 2017, 11:37:06 am »
Is president Trump a couch potato? It has been reported he watches
TV about eight hours a day. Add that to his tweeting and Golf, when
does he do any work? In his campaign he complained about how much
Obama played golf, and how little time Obama worked in the white
house. Trump has spent more time traveling for relaxation and playing
golf than any previous president. Trump seems to think he is some
kind of king ruling over his subjects. He seems to think he is above
the law as well.

Trump seems to think the people elected him to what ever he wants.
He constantly lies and seems to be unable to stay on any subject for
more than a few minutes.

He doesn't exercise, and drinks a dozen diet cokes a day. He has a
poor diet that includes extra ice cream and cake. Sleeps around 5
hours a night. Goes asleep with a TV on and wakes up to TV. It's
no wonder his health is slipping and gaining weight. Presidents are
under constant stress and often suffer loss of good health while in
office. So here is a man with relatively  poor health to begin with.
I wonder if he even lasts another 3 years living like this.

Old Rabbit / Re: Furry Christmas from my Art Showcase.
« Last post by Old Rabbit on December 10, 2017, 10:28:33 am »
Here is a drawing I did several years ago for the holidays.

foodie furs / Re: Home made bread. From traditional to no knead refrigerator.
« Last post by cause the rat on December 09, 2017, 10:42:09 pm »
Well after taking three days to make this big loaf of bread. I can finally say I have a failure. I tried my hand at a true artisan bread. Something that takes skill. It's apparent I don't have the skill yet to make this right. But I wouldn't have known that if I didn't try. I can learn more by making sandwich loaves. I'll try my hand at artisan bread again. But it wont be this loaf. After all that I don't like the way it tastes. So having all of France in my mouth didn't turn out. But that's OK. I'm not French. I'm Italian! : )
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