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Is nothing actually something?

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Logic puzzle?
« on: October 11, 2016, 06:53:18 pm »
Just curious, and maybe for fun too, but if a person wasn't doing anything, would that actually be considered doing something?

Is "nothing" actually considered "something"?
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Re: Logic puzzle?
« Reply #1 on: October 12, 2016, 12:00:25 am »
A person is never actually doing nothing. They are thinking, breathing, the body is making multiple small adjustments to keep itself running smoothly.

In terms of the nothing that was before space and time, no. That isn't something. Nothing in that case is simply the closest possible word to try and get the human mind around an inconceivable concept. 

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Re: Logic puzzle?
« Reply #2 on: October 12, 2016, 01:29:50 pm »
If you look out of the back of your head, what do you see? It isn't blackness, because you don't even have receptors that face that way. You see nothing, because you can only see forward out of your eyes. That doesn't mean there isn't anything behind your head (in fact, there is a lot behind your head), just that you can't see it.

So nothing is often used to described what we can't detect or understand. God is often referred to as nothing by the Jewish rabbis, and ironically so is enlightenment by the Buddhists.

So yes: nothing is something. It simply means that we cannot know what is there.
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Re: Logic puzzle?
« Reply #3 on: October 24, 2016, 08:59:58 am »
If you look out of the back of your head, what do you see? It isn't blackness, because you don't even have receptors that face that way. You see nothing, because you can only see forward out of your eyes. That doesn't mean there isn't anything behind your head (in fact, there is a lot behind your head), just that you can't see it.

So nothing is often used to described what we can't detect or understand. God is often referred to as nothing by the Jewish rabbis, and ironically so is enlightenment by the Buddhists.

So yes: nothing is something. It simply means that we cannot know what is there.

I agree. We haven't the knowledge to  know if nothing is an absolute.
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Re: Logic puzzle?
« Reply #4 on: October 24, 2016, 08:20:15 pm »
Nothing usually references to the absence of a desired outcome or instance or even the perception of a lack of something, like nothing being received on a radio or nothing was in the drawer. True nothing exists in absolute absence of something wich  could only  occur in the vacuum of outer space and even then there's things there, dust, tiny particles and other minuscule particulates float around in there.

and that's only the physical aspect of something, not including Energy or other non-physical affects of matter. Concepts and ideas are still a thing, such as the number 0. It truly represent's the total absence of something yet is a representation of what it is and is still a thing. Even -1 is a thing and it's even less than nothing, an owed something if you will. but such things have issues such as the square root of -1, wich is represented by 'i' but I digress.

nothing is in of itself a thing even if only in a representative sence, but if it can be represented by something then it must be something in of itself.
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Re: Logic puzzle?
« Reply #5 on: October 25, 2016, 10:42:40 am »
What about the universe? Before the Big Bang, there was nothing. But the universe had to be created from something? Where did the "something" come from?
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Re: Logic puzzle?
« Reply #6 on: October 30, 2016, 08:46:22 am »
What about the universe? Before the Big Bang, there was nothing. But the universe had to be created from something? Where did the "something" come from?

"Nothing" is only a concept of man, it's likely we will never know what started exsistance
in the first place. If there ever was a beginning at all. Perhaps it's all an never ending
repeating loop of time.  If that's the case I wouldn't want to know I did this all before. :P
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Re: Logic puzzle?
« Reply #7 on: October 30, 2016, 09:55:40 am »
What about the universe? Before the Big Bang, there was nothing. But the universe had to be created from something? Where did the "something" come from?

"Nothing" is only a concept of man, it's likely we will never know what started exsistance
in the first place. If there ever was a beginning at all. Perhaps it's all an never ending
repeating loop of time.  If that's the case I wouldn't want to know I did this all before. :P

Well yeah there's no beggining persay, you can always ask: What happened before that?
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Re: Logic puzzle?
« Reply #8 on: October 30, 2016, 04:38:19 pm »
Nothing is nothing unless it's the absence of something.

Example: There is nothing there, so that means it's the absence of nothing there! So thats something.
Example Two: Nothing. (There is nothing, or the void)
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Re: Logic puzzle?
« Reply #9 on: November 02, 2016, 11:22:34 am »
What about the universe? Before the Big Bang, there was nothing. But the universe had to be created from something? Where did the "something" come from?

"Before the big bang" doesn't work as a concept though; the big bang is the origin point from which spacetime expands outwards from. There is no before the beginning of what we experience as time.

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Re: Logic puzzle?
« Reply #10 on: November 02, 2016, 01:12:21 pm »
What about the universe? Before the Big Bang, there was nothing. But the universe had to be created from something? Where did the "something" come from?

"Before the big bang" doesn't work as a concept though; the big bang is the origin point from which spacetime expands outwards from. There is no before the beginning of what we experience as time.

Perhaps I should clarify. Before the Big Bang, all matter and energy were condensed into a single point. But "something" had to have happened to make that "point" explode and expand outward thus creating our universe. Thus, what was that "something"?
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Re: Logic puzzle?
« Reply #11 on: November 09, 2016, 10:18:39 pm »
Nothing is the absence of any thing.

Definition: not anything; no single thing.
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