Author Topic: Anatomy issues  (Read 2369 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline Tacoma

  • Jr. Member
  • **
  • Female
  • Posts: 91
    • http://www.tacoma.deviantart.com
Anatomy issues
« on: June 29, 2005, 10:42:38 pm »
I've always had issues with human/anthro anatomy and frequently find myself stuck on certain poses. I especially have a hard time drawing nudes. What might I be able to do to improve the basic anatomy of my characters? Does anyone else here have this problem and if so what do you usually do when you get stuck? I've been trashing pics so much lately that it's got me depressed.

Offline Ulario

  • Hero Member
  • Dreaming of Zion Awake
  • *****
  • Female
  • Posts: 4240
    • http://www.gryphonheartstudios.com
Anatomy issues
« Reply #1 on: June 29, 2005, 10:58:54 pm »
Well, I find directly after those times I can't seem to draw anything correctly, my art improves three fold.  It's kinda hard to explain.  Just don't let it get you down.

As for improving anatomy... this may be cliche, but practice any chance you get.  I had anatomy problems when I started out too, but you just have to fine tune your style.

One of the things I find helps is to keep as many reference pictures as you can.  My work space is littered with stacks of drawing books and I have an extensive collection of other artist's works on my computer that I can pull up whenever I need inspiration.

My art book recommendations:  Anything by Burne Hogarth, some of Christopher Hart's books (his art isn't anything to write home about but he knows what he's talking about), "How to Draw Comics the Marvel Way" by Stan Lee, I'm not a big fan of Manga but there's a series of drawing Manga books out that I find pretty helpful, and believe it or not... Pr0n magazines (Seriously, they help... the only reason I know the muculature of the male body so well is by looking at Playgirl magazines)

And of course, if you ever wanted a critique, feel free to post and I'll be happy to help you out.  '<img'>
tracivermeesch.com - Webcomic


Did I say blow it up?
... Lets blow it up!

Offline whitedingo

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Male
  • Posts: 1669
    • http://www.whitedingo.furtopia.org
Anatomy issues
« Reply #2 on: June 30, 2005, 04:42:52 am »
Ulario has coverd most of it l have most of the books she recomends just one more think if you dont mind seeing blood and such l look at vet sites for anatomy of animals it helps a bit
Avatar by Ulario thanks love the whole pic

Offline Tacoma

  • Jr. Member
  • **
  • Female
  • Posts: 91
    • http://www.tacoma.deviantart.com
Anatomy issues
« Reply #3 on: June 30, 2005, 07:54:35 am »
Thank you both. I've been trying to find a decent photo-ref site with various poses and have come across a few good ones but they're often pay sites. And I'm not talking about pr0n, most of that seems to be closeup shots of naughty bits and such which I don't find helpful at all.

And whitedingo, I've checked that out before but it's not animal anatomy I'm having trouble with, it's the human (anthro) body :3

Offline Dragonfox

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Female
  • Posts: 488
    • http://taeladragonfox.deviantart.com
Anatomy issues
« Reply #4 on: June 30, 2005, 10:39:10 am »
It never hurts to see if the local Art League or community college offers Figure Drawing.  

Besides that, how is it that you draw?  Do you immediately start drawing outlines, or do you sketch out the form with a bubble-and-line look?  

I find that sketching poses as a stick figure first, and then fleshing it out with "bubbles" helps a lot, especially with proportion.  If you don't know what I'm talking about- I use circles for all the joints (knee, elbow, ankle, etc.), and blocks for the main areas of mass (torso, chest, head), with lines to connect them to form the rest of the body.

For reference photos I use Creatas or Corbis.

Creatas is better, though.  ^_^
Dragonfoxes are crafty creatures, although highly protective.  They love a good prank, prefer to be loners, and this one is highly artistic.

Furry Code:  FG[DragonFox]w3acm A++++ C- D++ H+ M+++ P+++ R++ T+++ W Z- Sf- RLA/C a cm++ d e+ f- h* i+ j+ p++ sf-

My DA

Feel free to critique my art at any time!  ^_^

Offline Ulario

  • Hero Member
  • Dreaming of Zion Awake
  • *****
  • Female
  • Posts: 4240
    • http://www.gryphonheartstudios.com
Anatomy issues
« Reply #5 on: June 30, 2005, 10:47:08 am »
Quote (Dragonfox @ June 30 2005, 10:39 am)
It never hurts to see if the local Art League or community college offers Figure Drawing.  

I used to teach a drawing class for adults/teens.  If I was still doing it and if you lived in my area, I'd say "come on in".
tracivermeesch.com - Webcomic


Did I say blow it up?
... Lets blow it up!

Offline Tacoma

  • Jr. Member
  • **
  • Female
  • Posts: 91
    • http://www.tacoma.deviantart.com
Anatomy issues
« Reply #6 on: June 30, 2005, 05:25:11 pm »
Here's something I whipped up when I got home from work. I'm starting a series of pics of my mate and I, and hope to have atleast five inked and colored pics of us done (eventually).

WARNING: Nudity, but no visible naughty bits.



No refs were used and I'm wondering what looks decent and what needs work. Critique away '<img'>

Offline Zyon Foxbird

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Male
  • Posts: 137
Anatomy issues
« Reply #7 on: June 30, 2005, 05:47:52 pm »
I'm not sure I'm good enough to critique but i'll point out what I see.

On the one with pixie wings her(?) hand seems to be more like hovering over the shoulder than on it. I would bend the fingers a little bit. If that is the desired effect.

And if they are both female the feline one looks like it has only one 8008.

Well there is what i see, other than that i think this is a very good drawing. I'm not even that good.





Offline Tacoma

  • Jr. Member
  • **
  • Female
  • Posts: 91
    • http://www.tacoma.deviantart.com
Anatomy issues
« Reply #8 on: June 30, 2005, 06:12:38 pm »
Yeah I'm not too good with hands D:
Most of the time I spent on that drawing was trying to get her hand to look good resting on my shoulder. The mouse (Lunati) has butterfly wings. We're both female. And I'm pretty sure it only looks like I have one 8008 because we're at a side angle. x3

Thanks for pointing those out Zyon '<img'>

I'll see what I can fix before I get around to inking...

Offline Zyon Foxbird

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Male
  • Posts: 137
Anatomy issues
« Reply #9 on: July 01, 2005, 02:31:36 am »
no problem, glad to be of help.

Offline Nocte

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Male
  • Posts: 1689
    • http://unicorn.furtopia.org/
Anatomy issues
« Reply #10 on: July 01, 2005, 03:14:51 am »
The wings, faces, and arms look very good.
The right leg of the left character should be somewhat longer. In that position, the knee should be just a bit lower than the shoulder (try it '<img'> ). Also, I'm having trouble picturing where her left leg is going.
Drawing tutorial
Avatar information
FEHu3a A+ C D-- H M- P R++ T W-- Z Sm- RLCT a cl++++ d+ e+++ f- h+++ i++ j p sm*

Offline Zyon Foxbird

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Male
  • Posts: 137
Anatomy issues
« Reply #11 on: July 01, 2005, 03:19:53 am »
Tacoma I like how it came out on your deviant art gallery.

Offline Ulario

  • Hero Member
  • Dreaming of Zion Awake
  • *****
  • Female
  • Posts: 4240
    • http://www.gryphonheartstudios.com
Anatomy issues
« Reply #12 on: July 01, 2005, 11:19:48 am »
Well, let me get this out of the way bofore I say anything else.  The wings look awesome... and coming from me, that's a lot because I tend to be picky about wings.  :P

The poses are also very well done, as well as the hair.  You don't try to outline the entire thing like a helmet... and that's a very good thing.  The hands actually look pretty good as well... the only thing I should point out about the hands is to take care about how the hand would cup around the shoulder as she holds onto it.  And always keep in mind that you already have the perfect model to use has hand reference... and it's right at the end of your arm.  There are also "hand manequins that you can buy... but to me, nothing works better then the real thing.

But if I had to pick out a few things wrong about the anatomy, the first thing I would probably mention is the area where the calf meets the leg on the insect-winged critter.  It looks slightly bulky... especially for a female character.  Also, the avian-winged character looks like part of her arm is missing (the one resting on the other character's shoulders).  Bear in mind that even though the other character's arm covers it, is still exists.  One way I counteract this is by drawing the entire arm, then erasing the parts that are covered up.  

All and all, great picture.  '<img'>
tracivermeesch.com - Webcomic


Did I say blow it up?
... Lets blow it up!

Offline renara

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Male
  • Posts: 35
    • http://www.renara.com
Anatomy issues
« Reply #13 on: July 01, 2005, 01:06:13 pm »
That picture is pretty damn good actually, definite talent!
I don't think the hand is that bad, but I'm awful at drawing hands, which is why I like going for three fingers instead of five, it makes it easier for me, might work for you?
And yeah, the left leg on the mouse is bothering me too, I hope she's not an amputee :P

As for general poses, have you ever seen one of those wooden figures where all the major joints are moveable? I find that one of them is extremely useful for most poses, and it's neutral enough that you can easily sketch it and adapt it to the character.

The next step for any detail you need is to just try doing it yourself! It gets a good idea, and if you have a digital camera (even a cheapo one will do, anything better than your average camera-phone), you can take pics. For example, for the hand you just need something roughly the size of your own shoulder/upper arm (or even an actual one if you can get a volunteer!'<img'> and rest your hand on it, take a pic and there you go, instant reference material for exactly what you want!

Offline Tacoma

  • Jr. Member
  • **
  • Female
  • Posts: 91
    • http://www.tacoma.deviantart.com
Anatomy issues
« Reply #14 on: July 01, 2005, 06:50:55 pm »
Thank you all for the input and kind words.

The "insect-winged critter" is a mouse with butterfly wings as I mentioned earlier. Her left leg is behind me, so of course it isn't visible. And Renara, that's a wonderful idea (taking pics). I was going to get a digital camera this weekend anyway and maybe I'll take some photos for reference '<img'> Of course, my RL anatomy isn't exactly perfect either so I'm still going to have some issues x3

The inked version is up on my gallery if anyone's curious '<img'>

Offline Zyon Foxbird

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Male
  • Posts: 137
Anatomy issues
« Reply #15 on: July 02, 2005, 12:31:43 am »
Yes I loved how the inked version cam out.

Offline Ulario

  • Hero Member
  • Dreaming of Zion Awake
  • *****
  • Female
  • Posts: 4240
    • http://www.gryphonheartstudios.com
Anatomy issues
« Reply #16 on: July 02, 2005, 09:36:56 am »
THe inked version is very good.  Nice varyation of your lines, makes it more interesting.  Are you planning to color it?
tracivermeesch.com - Webcomic


Did I say blow it up?
... Lets blow it up!

Offline kitsu-baka

  • Jr. Member
  • **
  • Female
  • Posts: 75
    • http://kitsu-baka.deviantart.com
Anatomy issues
« Reply #17 on: July 28, 2005, 09:16:50 pm »
I HATE doing perfect human anatomy. I tend to make my furry chars a bit more were like.
Hmm.. I don't know what would help you with poses, but you can study some photos.

Offline FuzzlePup

  • Hero Member
  • The Fuzz
  • *****
  • Male
  • Posts: 1877
    • http://fuzzlepup.deviantart.com/
Anatomy issues
« Reply #18 on: July 28, 2005, 09:30:24 pm »
Your anatomy is pretty good. But anatomy is something rarely anyone can do and do well. Its insanely difficult. What I did to help me out was get a how to draw manga book. But even then I always get a "work on your anatomy" comment. The best thing you can do is look in a mirror or have a camera that prints out the picture right after you take it so you can look at the pose and put it on paper.
"I've officially left Furtopia, I deserve a lot better."

Offline Wendell

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Male
  • Posts: 158
    • http://www.wendell.furtopia.org/
Anatomy issues
« Reply #19 on: July 28, 2005, 10:56:54 pm »
I've had several years of nude figure drawing classes, and I still goof up on every image. 8oP>
Best thing I can do is hang on to some reference photos while I'm sketching.




-Wendell on FurryMUCK
http://www.wendell.furtopia.org/
FurAffinity: http://www.furaffinity.net/user/wendellsden/
Deviant Art: http://wendellsden.deviantart.com/

Practice your critical skills here! Constructive critiques are welcome and encouraged on any of my drawings posted here. I can take it.

Offline Tabuu

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Male
  • Posts: 809
    • http://tabuu-lion.artistsworld.org
Anatomy issues
« Reply #20 on: July 29, 2005, 01:02:58 am »
Usually the best reference I have for humans and human-like anthro anatomy is usually using myself as a model. My house is weird because there are tons of mirrors everywhere, but often I find myself using them several times to help me with poses.
|| Trades - OPEN! || Request - Considering A Few... || Commissions - Not that good yet -_- ||

|| DA || ArtistsWorld ||

Offline Wendell

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Male
  • Posts: 158
    • http://www.wendell.furtopia.org/
Anatomy issues
« Reply #21 on: July 29, 2005, 06:16:45 am »
When I moved into my own place, one of the first things I purchased was a full-length tilting mirror for my studio. Partly, it's because I'm vain about my appearance. Partly, it's because I needed some company... seeing something else move in the apartment kept me from feeling so odd about living alone. Mostly, it's so I could use myself as a reference for drawing and animation.
-Wendell on FurryMUCK
http://www.wendell.furtopia.org/
FurAffinity: http://www.furaffinity.net/user/wendellsden/
Deviant Art: http://wendellsden.deviantart.com/

Practice your critical skills here! Constructive critiques are welcome and encouraged on any of my drawings posted here. I can take it.