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« on: September 11, 2005, 06:10:43 am »
I have pushed myself always into thinking that every good artist that can make a drawing in less than an hour is better than taking your time. But I always ask other and get no replies.

Which is better, to take your time or faster artists are better.

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But sometimes I can do 5 within 4-5 hours, fully inked all of 'em quick-products of bordem.
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« Reply #1 on: September 11, 2005, 06:34:30 am »
Take your time.

Eventually you'll be comfortable enough to "bang out" a character, like artists do at fairs and stuff, but it depends on the person and what you do.

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« Reply #2 on: September 11, 2005, 06:48:32 am »
I also have the trouble of 'its ok to look at pics for reference' I never had that problem before until recently when I started looking at others work.

I'd envy them for their talents and then got to thinking: "I'm sure they don't look at pics as reference to draw."
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« Reply #3 on: September 11, 2005, 07:00:46 am »
Many artists use reference pics. Matter of fact the best ones often ask for reference pics on one of the many boards out there.

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« Reply #4 on: September 11, 2005, 07:18:01 am »
Well, I think it kinda depends on the artist - in terms of general drawing experience.
The more someone draws, the better they get at it - and so, someone who's been drawing regularly for years and years could probably produce good quality work in a short span of time...

Speaking personally, I often labour over my drawings taking a moderate amount of time and often involving at least 5+ drafts until I get the picture I have in my minds eye or to tighten the pose up - or whatever.
It also comes down to the fact that i'm a real perfectionist - which i've always seen as someone who takes ages to get something done - but produces work of superior quality...

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« Reply #5 on: September 11, 2005, 10:44:56 am »
Personally, I'm a fan of quality over quantity. So however long it takes you to get a result you're happy with is the right amount of time spent on it...

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« Reply #6 on: September 11, 2005, 02:05:32 pm »
Both.


Seriously, both.  I vote "it depends on the artist". Not only that but it depends on the purpose for the art.  If this is concept art, it's better for it to be made as quickly as possible but yet still good enough to get the ideas across.   In fact, the ability to rough an idea out quickly is very valuable, especially if you want to get a job with it.

If the art is for something like say... a comic or even moreso for an animation, then again it's good to be fast since you'll have to do a -lot- of drawing.   But for normal still shots drawings, it is good to be able to get the quality in there also. For a great example of that look at lot of the disney animated films. They usually have highly detailed and shaded backgrounds but the characters themselfs are made so they can be drawn and colored more quickly (and practicly without shading) since they will need so many more drawings of them.

It really depends on why you are making it.

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« Reply #7 on: September 11, 2005, 06:10:31 pm »
Experienced artists will work faster and more efficient than novices, so maybe "faster artists are better" could work as a rule of thumb (and that's very generally speaking). But experienced artists will still take their time to create a masterpiece.

Sure you can make a quick product of boredom in under an hour. Heck I can make ten in an hour. But I'm pretty sure people would much rather see something you poured your heart and soul into, with attention to detail and a finished quality to it. And does it matter if it took you 3 hours, or 6, or 60? Do you think people can tell just by looking at it? No, but I bet they'll look at your originality, your grasp of anatomy, use of color, composition, that sort of thing.
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« Reply #8 on: September 11, 2005, 11:17:03 pm »
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Speaking personally, I often labour over my drawings taking a moderate amount of time and often involving at least 5+ drafts until I get the picture I have in my minds eye or to tighten the pose up - or whatever.


I usually look at one and then throw it away if I don't get it - only to draw a second in the least pose from whne I first wanted it. However if looking at more than one piece helps, maybe I should try it.

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In fact, the ability to rough an idea out quickly is very valuable, especially if you want to get a job with it.


I usually do. In pen or not. The other day I did a small pen sketch of a pony unicorn and duplicated it on the lined paper. Its cute but I think I'll draw it again like TimberWolf said.

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They usually have highly detailed and shaded backgrounds


I have noticed that as well. And constantly wondered why they did that. Snow White is a perfect example of this, like when the evil queen is making the poison for the apple, the other books are darkly shaded, but not out of place where there is light the books are that color, and then you noticed the slighly brighter colored book which she removes from the shelf.


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But experienced artists will still take their time to create a masterpiece.


And so should novices. Well thanx I guess I should take more time and it is alright to do so, even to look at reference pics.
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« Reply #9 on: September 14, 2005, 12:43:02 am »
Quote (Ryshen @ Sep. 11 2005, 6:10 am)
I have pushed myself always into thinking that every good artist that can make a drawing in less than an hour is better than taking your time.

If you take your time and get enough experience that eventually your hands go through the motions of drawing a certain character or a generic character, you will be able to make a fast drawing. It all comes with pratice... Like everything else evidentally. '<img'>

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« Reply #10 on: September 14, 2005, 10:43:30 pm »
Definitely take your time. Not only will you have a smaller chance of goofing up, but I find that you also have time to mull over your drawing and decide where to put details that would have otherwise  been neglected.
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« Reply #11 on: September 15, 2005, 02:32:34 pm »
Depends on the individual artist.

I know many who take their time, and they get much better results.  

I on the other hand, can get a picture out fairly quickly.  Most people can't believe that it usually takes me about 2-3 hours to do a picture from start to finish.  It's not because I speed through it, it's because I've drawn so much anatomy, that I know where everything goes without looking at reference pictures.

However, when I don't know what I want to do with a picture, it will take me a lot longer.  During times like that, I spend about 2 hours just staring at my picture.
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« Reply #12 on: September 15, 2005, 03:33:54 pm »
I usually do a little bit on a few pics then stop and repeat this for a few days.
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« Reply #13 on: September 15, 2005, 09:35:51 pm »
Quote (kaisilverfire @ Sep. 11 2005, 10:44 am)
quality over quantity.

exactly. Doesn't matter how long it takes. The more effort you put into pa picture the btter you will feel.

I can bareley get a sketch done in under an hour so yea.
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« Reply #14 on: September 16, 2005, 04:41:42 pm »
When my vision was better I could do a drawing on
paper in a few minutes if it was a character I was
used to.  Or a hour or so with shading, and background.

On computer with a digital pad it takes more time for me.
So I rarely do anything in less than a hour or two anymore.
More likely a few days off n on.

But if it something you wish to put feeling into some say
heart. Anyway I think those require the time needed
to do all the little things that make a drawing special.

Color adds even more time for me as it brings
more realisim to the eye, and requires more detail.

Course comic and cartoon characters are generally
easier as they don't always have to fit some norm
we have grown up with.

Don't worry about using reference pictures. Or objects.
Nearly all artists use them. I think most of us can make
a nice drawing out of our head, but reference is always
helpful kinda like using a ruler for a streight line. It's a tool.

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« Reply #15 on: September 18, 2005, 01:05:52 am »
Take your time. It's true the better you are at art, the faster you will become, but even then, I think the general trend is the pics that you spend more time on usually looks better.

I personally take anywhere from 4-10 hours on a pic. A four hour pic is usually a single character with a plain color background. But if I want to put a lot of effort into a pic, it could take me six or seven hours, which is I think about how long it took me to do the pic in my profile, which I consider the best example of my work. A ten hour pic usually has multiple characters or has a very complex background, like my pic of Herr Doctor Bane.

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« Reply #16 on: September 18, 2005, 07:41:10 am »
':cool:' well i can pencil in the iamges that come to mind very quickly. and seem to get what exactly i want in the first sketch or 2. and most of the time ill draw to background sepaerate to save time. just the inking takes so long cause i have to wait for it to dry....still i think you should not compare yourself to other artist, i know there was one book i got from the library, had an awesoem artist who could do awesome work in any medium, with examples and time for each.......im still working to get even close to his level, and it is depressing. for me at least. and i still cant get this book out of my mind.

just do what you do best, lose the timer. take as much time as you need, as long as your happy with what your doing, thats all that should matter.
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« Reply #17 on: September 19, 2005, 09:56:15 am »
it really depends on the person.
I'm wayyy to ADD to take like 6hours on something. more like an hour or two. three tops.
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« Reply #18 on: September 19, 2005, 01:02:47 pm »
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I on the other hand, can get a picture out fairly quickly.  Most people can't believe that it usually takes me about 2-3 hours to do a picture from start to finish.


I have been using some methods, I never keep my art practices the same tho. Like one pic I could use stick figures and the next I use squars and triangles. To me it depends on what the piece will come out like; Sometimes I can get a quickie real good in 30 minuets, but that's like a rough sketch. I'm also a cloud chaser. ((That's also how I started doing quick-pics)) I would use the shapes in the clouds anatomy and then do a very quick ((in pen)) sketch and then during math class  ':blush:' I would draw it out and ink the *astard.  '<img'>

Im also doing a pic for 'Kill Mazz' It didn't take very long to draw this one *snickers* But I did take my time on thinking and placing what I wanted, and it came out houw I wanted it to. Im also using patience on the colors and liked the results I got, esp. on her tail. ((The color blend is awsome)) When I post it I'll have a list of the colors I used to blend the fur.

Also, Im training myself to draw fur, its really hard but if I could get an example or something to at least show the basics that would be great. I already ((finally)) got down the gist of 'Light before dark' and softly blending them w/ black and white.

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Like a small base tutorial.
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« Reply #19 on: September 19, 2005, 02:56:50 pm »
As everyone else pretty much stated, it depends on the artist.  I knew artists who could pull off a finished piece in under an hour; I also knew artists who would work on a single piece for weeks at a time.  It all goes by how YOU work and finding what's good for YOU.  It also take time and patience for you to discover that...very few people can whip out something jaw-droppingly awesome in a very short amount of time, and those who can have years of know-how that allows them to do so.

 I've personally worked on projects that only took me an hour or 2 to do, and I've worked on some that took me a couple of weeks. Right now I'm finishing a project that I've been working on and off of for about 2 years now.  It's taken so long because of many complex elements and a couple of restarts (and I'm a glutton for punishment) but I've learned tons of new techniques from that one picture that I now incorporate into all of my works.  

As for references, Old Rabbit said that photo refs are tools to be used, like a ruler.  I agree with that whole-heartedly.  As long as you aren't plagurizing the work it's perfectly acceptable to use pictures.  

Be patient and take your time finding out your work style.  So many people focus on trying to find their art style they rush the process and ignore the way they got there in the first place.  Relax on your artistic voyage--getting there is half the fun.   '<img'>
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« Reply #20 on: September 21, 2005, 07:21:16 pm »
Here's what i think. Start with a concept sketch. It's supposed to go by quick. Don't worry about the details, just get the basic pose, features etc. It's an outline of all the ideas you want before you forget them. Then take the concept sketch and make a final version. Take your time, add details where you want them. If you want you can do two concepts. That's my advice.
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« Reply #21 on: September 21, 2005, 08:15:57 pm »
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It also take time and patience for you to discover that...very few people can whip out something jaw-droppingly awesome in a very short amount of time, and those who can have years of know-how that allows them to do so.


Over the past few days I have drawn 4 pieces. Some of which came out well for me. I havent drawn for a while due to artists block, which sucks in general. I used one reference pic.

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It all goes by how YOU work and finding what's good for YOU.


I have also been weaning myself of using only ink and have gotten to know my colored pencils. With each drawing I have taken the liberty of taking notes on what I do. I also bought a notebook for that purpose,-today. ((more or so, I take down the 'formulas' I have chosen)) and with that what I want to come out comes out!   '<img'>


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I've personally worked on projects that only took me an hour or 2 to do, and I've worked on some that took me a couple of weeks.


The pic for KM I drew was an easy target, as for cloring it I have taken my time, roughly about two weeks and maybe 1-half hour at night.

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Right now I'm finishing a project that I've been working on and off of for about 2 years now.  It's taken so long because of many complex elements and a couple of restarts (and I'm a glutton for punishment) but I've learned tons of new techniques from that one picture that I now incorporate into all of my works.  


 '<img'>  '<img'>  I have one of those accept I worked on it for five years and its STILL not finished. its been seven now.

I see where everyone is now and feel much more confident when i do my art and that time isn't everything. In good news my favorite artist is making photoshop tuorials for blending light colors. That'll be good for me when I get photoshop. Also when I get my scanner i plan on posting some tutorials.

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and ignore the way they got there in the first place.  Relax on your artistic voyage--getting there is half the fun.  


Oh Sensei(sp?) Indeed. I got so lost in watching others that I dropped my own style in high hopes that i could become better than what I was. As for that style I think I am developing it slowly, but now I know that its ok.



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Here's what i think. Start with a concept sketch. It's supposed to go by quick. Don't worry about the details, just get the basic pose, features etc. It's an outline of all the ideas you want before you forget them. Then take the concept sketch and make a final version. Take your time, add details where you want them. If you want you can do two concepts. That's my advice.


I usally do in small circles and little pen sketches.  '<img'>
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« Reply #22 on: October 06, 2005, 08:50:52 am »
If you rush, you overlook detail and it shows that you have no patience, which is essential in every kind of art.

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« Reply #23 on: August 22, 2006, 04:45:44 pm »
Some artists can do both.

I've seen Loopy being able to make a drawing easily within an hour, maybe two.
But I've also seen him work for hours upon hours on the same piece. It depends on so many factors. Interest, if it's a commission (and the price paid accordingly), inspiration, etc...

Myself, I'm doing mostly sketches to try and get a better grab of anatomy lately. Some few drawings, I really like and decide to finish them and, in the end, something that should have been made in an hour ends up a whole night of work...
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« Reply #24 on: August 23, 2006, 05:59:42 am »
I voted that it depends on the artist.. Though I do feel more like some other have said, that it depends on what your doing...
Personally I can throw out quick high detailed sketches in a matter of minutes and simple colors will not take me significantly longer... Though If I go for really high detail, like strand-by-strand fur it takes me several hours...
Anyways, back to the question.... Time, I think, is a minor factor when it comes to art.. It might take you minutes, hours or even days, but what really matters is the result....