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« on: July 06, 2005, 02:32:44 pm »
When I think I of what art means to me, what first comes to mind is preschool. I used to fingerpaint a lot there. I would draw big wide scenes of characters waging war on eachother. Massive groups pitted against one another. Forming and breaking alliances between one kind and another to be the one which gained dominance in then end. People used to love when I talked about the pictures I did. It was so vivid and alive...the sort of thing which wasn't just fascinating to have finished, but it was an adventure to make.

And what did it look like, do you ask? It was a paper covered in unpolished, undefined, dots of paint. Each person just a dot...about the shape and size of my index finger. No details, just a solid color. And I made hundreds of them...all thrown on the canvas with a sort of chaotic intent to let the picture tell its own story in my mind and before my eyes. A story I wanted other people to be able to see and experience like I did. To see my art through my eyes.

Any improvement in my style between then and now has only proven to make my vision stronger, so those scenes in my mind that were once so cryptic are now so much easier to see. I admit that I was once lost in the race to become more skilled, but in giving up that struggle everything flows so freely now.

I changed the way I looked at art. I stopped adhering to an ever subjective standard and started making works for and of myself. I again saw things through the eyes I had as a child...where every line and every dot, every accuracy and imperfection, was a direct translation of something inside of me. I wanted and needed others to see, just like I saw it.

My work told stories of me, and was very personal. Every picture is a piece of my soul, and I respect others art as the same because that is essentially where it all comes from. I usually can't find grounds to give constructive criticism unless someone specifically asks for it, because I tend to see all work as someone's personal perspective rather than a gradable product. And when I do give my thoughts, I like to hear both the artist's take on my advice as well as their story behind their details. All this I find fascinating...

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...I wonder how many can understand and relate to what it is I feel. How do you guys and girls feel about your art and its meaning in your life? What do you think of in terms of an artist's growth?
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« Reply #1 on: July 06, 2005, 04:17:03 pm »
l think l understand my art isn't perfect but thats my style l hate straight lines theres no feeling in them l'm not a big fan of tech perfect art it looks like it was done to just sell not for the artist and viewers enjoyment.l'll add more later if you want but work calls
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« Reply #2 on: July 06, 2005, 04:28:45 pm »
If you have more to add I'd be happy to hear it. Good day at work, though ^_^

But yeah, I'm not a big fan of that brand of art either. Sketches always appeal more to me because of the personality they hold. I love seeing the process, which sort of helps me get into the head of the artist and understand what they were doing or trying to show me.

My favorite thing to see is a picture in many stages. Construction sketch, cleaned pencils, inks, and color all alongside eachother make for an interesting study '<img'>
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« Reply #3 on: July 06, 2005, 06:44:42 pm »
I love seeing sketches too, they tell so much about how an artist works and thinks. '<img'>  (I've added links to sketches in my gallery, hoping others would find it interesting as well.)

About the race to become more skilled... yes, I certainly recognize that. I think I'll be in that race forever though -- I love getting detailed critiques so I can improve my weak points. One of those weak points, by the way, is storytelling. It seems to be central in your art, but I need to work on that a lot.

My main focus is having fun, I only try to push my limits every now and then. Especially because it takes weeks to complete such a piece.
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« Reply #4 on: July 06, 2005, 10:31:39 pm »
That's a very respectable point of view, and that aspect is one of the more pure forms of art I'd say. I'm in no way opposed to the process of getting critique and improving a style. That's something I still do and will always. I think the problem for most people is getting lost into adopting a style that is more profitable and less enjoyable, struggling to the point of misery, as well as feeling so inadequate of their own work they give up something they love (Observers who become beginner artists, for one example, feel the latter things a lot; Experienced artists usually feel the pressures of working toward being marketable).

Also storytelling hasn't much been my strong suit, even though I have been trying to improve. I just pour myself into most if not all of my works, even simple penciled characters with white backgrounds. I usually post the pics with something that can be thought of as a story. It may not be the story of it, but it helps people come closer to what I see to know what goes through my head while I am creating and/or observing it.

P.S. I think your sketches are great ^_^ peeked into your site a bit ago. Good stuff




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« Reply #5 on: July 06, 2005, 11:19:26 pm »
When I was little ...

When I wasn't doing completely incomprehensible comics, I would do layouts for video games.  I was, and still am drawn to brightly different colored icons that could power you up or change your character in some way.  I'd draw the character, the powerups, the levels ..

Now I incorporate abstraction into everything I draw.  I go with the sort of lines my hand naturally makes when it roams freely, and go off of that.  Whenever I do the focus of a piece, I blur my eyes and draw many, many lines, then focus and select the one line appropriate for that frame.  The way I see it, whatever I'm drawing, wherever it exists, is in a constant state of movement; I just have to pare down the picture to that one time frame.

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« Reply #6 on: July 07, 2005, 12:28:50 am »
how i'm feeling rubs off on my art usually. But strangly nuff my drawings look contrary to how i'm feeling alot, i can draw a dead kangaroo and feel perfectaly happy.

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« Reply #7 on: July 07, 2005, 03:29:55 am »
That's a very intriuging approach to art, Sam...I rarely hear from many who don't draw the conventional way and it's truly interesting to listen to.

I myself have does little things like that as well. Game ideas and stuff, though mine was fighting style games. I'd map out standard attacks and special moves for characters, costumes and stuff. It was great '<img'> Also my cousin used to do those things as well, and went on to be an amatuer programmer.

And yeah, Romper, a lot of times that happens with me too. I haven't quite figured out why, though XD I sometimes draw characters cuddling together when I'm mad, gore when I'm happy, stuff like that. Things in art can be far from literal. At times, I draw from ideas rather than emotion, but still a lot of interperatable bits go into the work. Not that I can help it :P




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« Reply #8 on: July 07, 2005, 06:33:32 am »
l proberly have a simplistic view on art l think if you can see what the artist is trying to convey then its good art .My art is simple in tech because l dont have the skills to be that good so l'll spend a bit more time on the face l can get my point across that way and l have to be happy to draw if l'm in a bad mood my lines and colors are just to hard.Dont know if my view has any value
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« Reply #9 on: July 07, 2005, 06:57:51 am »
LOL your point is as valid as any of ours WD. And I as well feel that being able to understand and enjoy a picture beyond how "accurate" it is is the best way to judge an artwork. There are many different levels of percieved technical drawing skill, but I've found the vision those with less skill can be just as strong if not stronger than those who are considered the greatest and shouldn't be overlooked.
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« Reply #10 on: July 07, 2005, 10:22:38 am »
For me, art is a major part of my life.  I've been drawing nearly all of my life (hey, finger paintings as a child count, too!'<img'>  and I couldn't imagine life without it.

Personally, I like all sort of art.  But since, I spent much time reading comics as a fledgeling, I think my favorite has to be comic book art.  My style even reflects that... in fact, I've had my style (specifically the way I draw human faces) compared to the late great Jack Kirby (mastermind behind much of Marvel Comic's creations, especially the Fantastic 4, which was a personal favorite growing up... can't wait to see the movie.  I'm going to the first showing tomorrow '<img'> ).  Some of my other favorite comic artists are James O'Barr (creator of the crow), David Finch (creator of Ascension), and Todd McFarlane (That man needs no introduction).  

To me, comic art is about many things.  It's about the beauty and grace of the anatomy and the dynamic poses.  To me, there are few pieces of art more beautiful then a action filled pose of spiderman swinging though the urban jungle.  Every muscle of his body is almost poetry in motion.

Since I've spent most of my career as an artist trying to learn how to draw anatomy properly, some of my favorite artists in the furry world are the ones that reflect that... since I realize how difficult it is.  My favorite furry artist of all time still has to be Allison Theus (Beast of Oblivion).  Her art still amazes me even after over five years of watching her.   Every mucle that she places on her beasts seem to be perfect, as well as the fluid movement of some of her poses.  I was lucky enough to do a trade with her a few years back.  '<img'>

I also applaud people who can draw wings well.  My favorite artist for that would probably black unigryphon.  If you've ever seen her work, you probably don't need to understand why I ldon't need to describe why I love her wings so much.

As for sketches, I love them, too.  Especially the people who can draw clean sketches... since mine are usually messy with stray lines everywhere.  I'm a sucker for a good piece of line art as well.  However, more over I think I prefer a nicely polished colored pencil or photoshop image.

Hands down, my favorite artist of all time has to be my friend Bryan Smith.  I've known him for a number of years, and I owe a lot of what I know about drawing the human form to him.  He is definately an "art god on earth"... and he's actually had work published in some of those Dungeons and Dragons comics.  Sadly, though he's never actually tried to persue a career in art, and he probably never will as he just had a kid a year ago.  So now he's working at pizza hut.  I think it's kinda sad, because he could have easily made it into a big name comic company if he tried.
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« Reply #11 on: July 07, 2005, 11:13:23 am »
For me, art is a way of expressing myself.  I'm very bad at socializing, unless I've got a camera.  It makes me force myself to go talk to people (which is actually very difficult for me when I'm not in a work situation).

I can't go a day without art.  I've always got my sketchbook with me, and sometimes my art-craving is calmed by simply arranging the games prizes into nice displays.  

Most of the time, though, I feel like my art is a part of who I am.  A large part, actually.  It is what I want to do with my life, and it is something that keeps me stable, even if I have been dubbed the "Kamikaze Artist" by my art professors for the way I will dive headlong and full steam into any project I take up.
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« Reply #12 on: July 07, 2005, 01:22:54 pm »
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(Observers who become beginner artists, for one example, feel the latter things a lot; Experienced artists usually feel the pressures of working toward being marketable).

You're so right about that, I've seen that happen with beginning artists a few times.

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« Reply #13 on: July 07, 2005, 01:41:01 pm »
Sure can.




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« Reply #14 on: July 07, 2005, 02:05:58 pm »
That's okay. '<img'>  It's a beautiful drawing indeed.
(I can tell her ability to show muscle structure has improved even further since then.)
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« Reply #15 on: July 07, 2005, 05:13:25 pm »
For me, art is all about fantasy, about expressing thought in a transmissible way. When I was a kid, I used to draw whatever I thought of, whether that was something I'd seen on TV, or in a game, or an idea I had (I 'invented' the idea of bionics independantly, without having ever heard of it before, and was slightly disappointed when I realised other people got there first, heh heh! ). I always used to draw fantasy things, even then; castles and dragons and lava flows from volcanoes, and pirates and fantasy islands, and all sorts of things, and I used to have a lot of fun just playing in my ideas. (Hell, I still do! ). Drawing just became the medium through which those ideas became tangible and expressible to other people.

It's probably for that reason that I hate doing still-life art; I can appreciate the technical skill of it when others do it, but I find it incredibly boring to do myself. What matters isn't the quality of the picture per se (although obviously I can recognise it) but the idea that the artist is trying to represent, and the amount of fun they had doing it. (Or, for some art, like vent art or gore, 'fun' isn't the appropriate word; the amount of honesty of emotion that goes into such a picture might be a more apt term.) That's one reason why I won't criticise a picture unless asked; although I can sometimes see things that could be improved, that's not the point of the art, so it doesn't matter.

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« Reply #16 on: July 07, 2005, 08:41:58 pm »
"Art is me and I am Art.  I was created for the purpose of creating.  From the intangible seeds of imagination, to life itself, and all else from alpha to omega, I will fulfill this duty bestowed upon me so that there may be a future to look upon as I have looked at the futures of those before me.  I am creator.   I am art.  I am me."

Art is something that's been a part of me since I can consciously remember.  I colored in my storybooks, drew actual recognizable things at a very young age (so I've been told) and would sit and stare at books of paintings for hours on end.  I was fascinated with cartoons, comic strips and comic books because of the cool designs and action and fantasy of it all.  I didn't know that that would blossom into something more...it was just something I liked a lot.  

Now it's something so ingrained in me...the only way I can describe it is "spiritual completion"  

Now before I get any rolling of the eyes and comments of tackiness, I'm saying this with all honesty.    My artistic ability is something that encompasses my entire being--mind, body and soul.  I know what it  is like to have everything artistic ripped away from you, and I wouldn't wish that despair upon my worst enemies.  Thank God I recovered and now happily work as much as my returned heart desires.  But it at that time I realized exactly how much art was a part of me...sort of the good in the bad, I suppose.  

Whew...hope I didn't prattle on too much there.  Art and philosophy are a only a couple of the many things that I hold in high esteem, and I love discussing them.     ':blush:'




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« Reply #17 on: July 08, 2005, 02:54:25 am »
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Whew...hope I didn't prattle on too much there.  Art and philosophy are a only a couple of the many things that I hold in high esteem, and I love discussing them.     ':blush:'

I enjoy philosophy very much, and I felt that something like this is really needed on the boards for those who are beginners or currently lacking in inspiration. What everyone says and continues to say here is really a testament to what art should be about. Not so much an external product made of technical skills, but what it embodies from the inside of its creator as well what it means to its audience. Being imperfect is alright. The most important part to your art is your vision, and being able to share your ideas with others through your work. Or as least give youself an outlet '<img'>

This is a chance for artists to convey things beyond the negatives of the work...doubts, failings, flaws...and to show what is pure about the craft. Our philosophy...how we relate art to our lives and what keeps us doing what we do. It's something anyone who dreams when they close their eyes can relate to, and shows that everyone has times of thinking like an artist...so anyone who has something to express on a canvas doesn't have to feel like they don't have a way in. Truly, all it takes to get you started is a dream.
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« Reply #18 on: July 10, 2005, 05:44:35 am »
I started drawing when I was young cause I saw my sister do it, so really I became a copycat, and then started doing it on my own. ':blush:' '<img'>
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« Reply #19 on: July 10, 2005, 11:00:13 am »
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Commenting on Ulario's piece: I love you marker work. Nice touch on the fur, how long did it take you to learn to use markers so well?  '<img'>

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« Reply #20 on: July 17, 2005, 10:51:04 pm »
I also do a lot of the game layout stuff. Actually I'm supposed to be doing concept art for an alien species that would naturly fit the role of somthing that sneaks around. And drawing two comics... My drawings for this stuff is completely different from my fun drawings. Those start off as my taking my papermate pen and just making overlapping circles until a pattern takes shape in my head and I make somthing of it. Unfortunatly I've been told those are nothing but scribbles... I guess most people can't tell the difference between pen and pencil.

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« Reply #21 on: July 18, 2005, 08:05:20 pm »
We me, it's largely just that I need a picture for some reason, so I make it.

So like, I come up with an idea for a card game, so I'll make the art for it. Or like when I needed an avatar, so I made one. It's almost completely about the need for the picture. I often find it very hard for me to make something without first having a purpose for it. Art for arts sake just isn't good enough for me.

The other thing is that sometimes I'll get an idea for a picture, and so I'll make it. But for this to happen I have to have it almost completely thought out beforehand.

I have heard that “practice makes perfect”, but I rarely practice, yet I'm good at it anyways. I think this comes from my perfectionism. I think I do most of my practicing in my head. I have heard that for most artists, the work they will put on display is only a small portion of the work they do. Only the best stuff. But that really doesn't apply much with me, because it's like I won't allow myself to make anything thats not “my best stuff”. It's a very hard thing to get over.

I know I should draw more...  I always feel like I don't do enough. That feeling often depresses me. Very much so in fact.

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« Reply #22 on: July 19, 2005, 02:35:13 pm »
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