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« Reply #25 on: June 02, 2004, 01:10:36 pm »
Photoshop and it's kind are tools, not solutions.  They won't help one iota with your anatomy skills.  To someone that hasn't learned how to use all the features of it, or doesn't need the features, it won't make much of a difference whether they use Photoshop or MS Paint.  Also, depending on what you're making, Photoshop can be simply overkill.  I doubt Ante uses Photoshop for his pixel art. ':p'

In the hands of a master, though, Photoshop can do amazing things that MS Paint could never do.  Most of the best art I've seen was made with Photoshop.

I don't like MS Paint, though. ':p'  MS Paint is to digital art as Notepad is to programming.
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« Reply #26 on: June 02, 2004, 02:00:04 pm »
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« Reply #27 on: June 02, 2004, 02:40:39 pm »
Is Photoshop overrated?
Depends on the individual. Certain artists swear by Adobe's products. Others use other programs, or even media.

Loopy, for example, uses photoshop on very rare occasions. Normally, he uses paints and pencils and the like.
Me, I'm a 3D artist. I use photoshop to make textures, either from scratch or thru digital photographs.

I've tried various programs out there, and I find that Photoshop's workflow is MUCH better than anything out there. I tried Paint Shop pro, and I have to give it credit for lots of things, but I still find Adobe's product to be that much more intuitive, once you learned the program.

Before, when I couldn't use photoshop, I yelled high and loud that it sucked. Why? Out of frustration. Then, I got two classes of digital imagery in my formation, and boy, it finally made sense and I started to love the darn thing! Photoshop is a godsend, as far as I'm concerned.
I'm not saying that you are doing the same thing as me. But know that for every artist out there, the tools WILL be different and so will the preferences.
Mines are simple: Maya and Photoshop. For others, it'll be blender and the GIMP, or 3D Studio MAX and Paint Shop Pro, the combinations are just as numerous as the number of aritsts out there.

Before saying a program is overrated, I would take a look at what people do with it first, and ask them why they prefer to use that one instead of another.
Me, as I stated earlier, I like the workflow better of Adobe's products than any other. I mean, once you understood the ideas behind the product, it's much easier to understand it...
Hence, why I prefer Adobe. ^^
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« Reply #28 on: June 04, 2004, 01:10:34 am »
For me, I don't really color my art on the computer as I have enough troubles learning how to use my regular mediums, which I want to learn more before I ever try doing it on the computer, if that day ever comes.

I have both PSP 5.0 and Photoshop 5.5. I use them when I scan my artwork and if I am doing something completely different, like messing around with filters. I can do some things in PS that I can't do in PSP and vice-versa. I do have Corel Draw 10 but rarely ever use it any more. I mainly use it now for business cards and the occasional background coloring. Like the colors on the background of the DJ's was created in CD10, for the "Radio Show".

I'm sure for as many programs that there are out there, will be as many artists varied choices as to which they use that works best for what they need to do.

As some one already mentioned, it is all a personal preference.
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« Reply #29 on: June 09, 2004, 05:54:13 pm »
I think photoshop is good, but I dont think it's worth the money. The thing you have to keep in mind about it though is that adobe actually charge more outside america (I think america was second cheapest when I researched this) they charge the same no. of pounds as the do dollars and seem to ignore exchange rates, so it's about 50% more in the uk.

Also if you've got windows 2000/XP or linux then the GIMP is of similar quality for most of the tools, although it lacks many of the filters

As for corel painter, I quite like it. I like the fact it imitates traditional mediums to a far greater degree than all but the most recent photoshops (I haven't tried CS, but I've heard it does match a lot of painter's functions)

In the end it's personal preference. Photoshop's just like any other mediumm though, you need to know how to do the basics to use it

Oh, and yes, I think it's overrated  ':p'

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« Reply #30 on: June 23, 2004, 09:06:05 pm »
Photoshop is good. You can do quite a bit with it, and its really easy to use.

I personally prefer opencanvas 1.1 over anything else though. If I had the patience, I'd probably be coloring most of my art in that program, rather than photoshop.

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« Reply #31 on: June 24, 2004, 12:19:23 am »
PS is an industry standard program. In major web companies, all of the banners are made with either photoshop or fireworks. My animation school even made sure that I take an entire class on PS. And that was only PS100. There's a class PS200 as well. I suppose that's why it gets so much hype. I personally love PS. It is very user friendly.
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« Reply #32 on: June 24, 2004, 06:13:58 pm »
Quote (sunfire_firewolf @ June 24 2004, 12:19 am)
PS is an industry standard program. In major web companies, all of the banners are made with either photoshop or fireworks. My animation school even made sure that I take an entire class on PS. And that was only PS100. There's a class PS200 as well. I suppose that's why it gets so much hype. I personally love PS. It is very user friendly.

Yeah... and is quite easy to use when you get use to it. A lot of art type programs I know of seem quite hard to use, and complecated, even when you know all about them.

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« Reply #33 on: June 30, 2004, 11:24:52 am »
Me, I use OpenCanvas 3. It doesn't have all the tools PS or PSP has, but I don't usually use a lot of filters in my drawings unless I want something completely different. (in that case, I own PS 7 and PSP 6)
OpenCanvas has all the stuff I need, like a pencil, brush, airbrush and an eraser, plus some nifty features the rest doesn't have, like the ability to save your drawings as movie files. Not only are they fun to watch, you can get them from your favorite artists and see how they work their magic - provided they work it in OpenCanvas.
Another funny thing (which has disappeared when OC 2 came out, I think) is network-drawing. You and someone else drawing on the same canvas at the same time... kind of like paintchat. It's not very constructive, but it's fun.

On the paint thing - personally, I like layers too much to use paint... I've seen some kickass stuff come out of it, some of it better than PS stuff or pencil stuff. If you're good at Paint, stick with it. I personally don't really care wether art was made through traditional media, paint, PS, or a 3D-rendering thing, as long as it looks good it's fine with me.
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« Reply #34 on: June 30, 2004, 07:09:51 pm »
Oh...hmm. I probably would use opencanvas 3 more, if it had the features opencanvas 1 did, to connect to other people and draw with them. I draw with people quite a lot in opencanvas... so...yeah.

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« Reply #35 on: July 03, 2004, 07:58:28 pm »
I'm not an artist, however I use adobe illustrator to touch up and modify artwork. (pasties, extra lines, ect...)
For example I bought that baby lion print at ohio morphicon and I will edit out these lines that bleed three from the earlier drawing.

The hardest thing to remember is to select "merge into background" every now and then so that it does not mess up.

I've never used PS since I got adobe illustrator free. (from work)

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« Reply #36 on: July 04, 2004, 03:59:19 am »
Quote (grumble @ July 03 2004, 7:58 pm)
I'm not an artist, however I use adobe illustrator to touch up and modify artwork. (pasties, extra lines, ect...)
For example I bought that baby lion print at ohio morphicon and I will edit out these lines that bleed three from the earlier drawing.

The hardest thing to remember is to select "merge into background" every now and then so that it does not mess up.

I've never used PS since I got adobe illustrator free. (from work)

Illustrator seems so confusing to me. I've tried to use it before... but never had much luck.
Is it actually a very good program?

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« Reply #37 on: July 05, 2004, 06:20:13 pm »
The first time I sat down and experimented with it this it what I came up with: Beach
Ok,so the pic is lame.But it showed me how much it would help an artist,alot more than MSPaint,Im not an artist by the way ':blush:'
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« Reply #38 on: July 05, 2004, 11:05:28 pm »
Quote (Zarathus @ July 04 2004, 3:59 am)
Illustrator seems so confusing to me. I've tried to use it before... but never had much luck.
Is it actually a very good program?

I haven't figured adobe Illustrator out yet. ;(
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« Reply #39 on: July 06, 2004, 04:35:56 pm »
Illustrator is pretty much like photoshop, except that everything is gradient-based within paths.

I've had a class on both, and really, once you get to know one, the other is simply an extension. And it's cool to think that they both can have dragged content from one another. '<img'>
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« Reply #40 on: July 15, 2004, 04:42:34 am »
Quote (Firebreath @ July 06 2004, 4:35 pm)
Illustrator is pretty much like photoshop, except that everything is gradient-based within paths.

I've had a class on both, and really, once you get to know one, the other is simply an extension. And it's cool to think that they both can have dragged content from one another. '<img'>

I know how to use photoshop well... yet I have very little idea how to use illustrator. They seem completely different... but that could just be me, or the fact that I'm not use to illustrator at all o.o

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« Reply #41 on: July 22, 2004, 05:27:07 pm »
Illustrator is vector-based whereas Photoshop is bitmap-based. The approach to drawing can be quite different, but seeing as the current version of PS has some vector graphic capabilities (sort of like partially integrating Illustrator), it's not as far a leap of faith to learn Illustrator if you're experienced with PhotoShop.
 
Personally, I give more credit to artists that use real media. Digital art lacks a certain sense of tangibility, making it seem very artificial/fake/unnatural, even if the image seems to be rendered realisticly. I also notice that a lot of digital artists make the mistake of breaking a lot of basic art fundamentals, like how to shade colours properly and such... but that could be a problem based from the fact that a lot of furry artists don't understand the fundamentals of creating art in the first place.
 
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« Reply #42 on: July 22, 2004, 09:31:14 pm »
Quote (Benjamin @ July 22 2004, 5:27 pm)
Personally, I give more credit to artists that use real media. Digital art lacks a certain sense of tangibility, making it seem very artificial/fake/unnatural, even if the image seems to be rendered realisticly. I also notice that a lot of digital artists make the mistake of breaking a lot of basic art fundamentals, like how to shade colours properly and such... but that could be a problem based from the fact that a lot of furry artists don't understand the fundamentals of creating art in the first place.
 
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I know. And with real media stuff, you can also actually... have the pictures. With digitally done ones you can always print them out... but that just never seems the same.
I generally tend to like the look of most pictures done with real media, better than anything done digitally, too.

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« Reply #43 on: September 02, 2004, 12:42:54 pm »
In the right paws however... Photoshop is an atomic bomb!

StarFinder; N-Vision: Dare to Dream StarFinder here uses a varity of mediums but most of her Digital Realism peices were done in PS6...her first Digital Realism peice, "Sorrow", was done with a mouse!

I find that Photoshop though, IS overrated...personally, I use Photoshop: Elements of Art 2.0...I find it simpler to use than PS7 and it has a lot less tools too it, because really...alot of those tools in PS7 I just don't need...most of the tools in PSE2 I do use how ever (with the exception of most filters...I don't bother with them)...

I'd also say don't just use Photoshop (or any program) for all your artwork...use real mediums too, or else that program will be a crutch...I use markers and pens, colored penicls, graphite pencils, and acrylic and water color paints on a regular basis...I also have oil and chalk pastels, oil paints, and sumi ink on hand if I feel like using them...
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« Reply #44 on: September 03, 2004, 12:26:53 pm »
One word about all of this.... BLARGH!!

Too many bells and whistles being set off here... too much technology.  One fundemental thing here that prevails in all artisitic endevors, traditional media or electronic; the tools are only as useful as the artist using them.

Tablets?  Stylus?  Pen and paper?  gah... sorry if I seem a bit miffed, but man... There're all just tools!    Nothing is better than anything else.  I don't care if you went to class or learned by trial and error, everything used by an artisit is a means to reach that final vision.  I've come up with some rather intresting and quite lovely renderings on a paper sack using a charcoaled twig done by a campfire.

Think everyone is stuck in techno hype.  THAT'S what is over-rated here.

Photoshop, Illustarator, Paint, pen and paper... none of those things make me anymore excited than the other, I don't go... ohh... that program is the bomb.  I go... oh, that peice is the bomb.

Don't care how you got there, but the finished peice is what I like.  I apprechiate the effort.  I like seeing people experiment with different styles.  I love seeing other inspired.

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« Reply #45 on: September 10, 2004, 08:37:06 pm »
Photoshop is the only piece of software that isn't a game I really wish I had. It is carzy-awesome the stuff you can do with that program. A nice free alternative is GIMP, but I think Photoshop is far superior.

Besides, as I have no real drawing ability of my own, the best I can do is take a picture and mess with it. Maybe I'll pick up my little brothers books on how to draw when nobody's around and try to improve my lacking skills, because it is something I think I would enjoy doing. Heck, if I had a scanner, I'd scan in my pictures when I'm through to clean them up and make the colors more vibrant.
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« Reply #46 on: September 11, 2004, 06:21:10 pm »
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« Reply #47 on: September 11, 2004, 09:25:17 pm »
Me personally, I hate it...but I use it all the time. Feh. I just can't do some things with a pencil that I can in an image program like Photoshop. Honestly though given a choice between Photoshop and MS Paint I'll take paint. I try to work with different things but something about that program just irks me. I can create much better digital stuff in Paint with a mouse than I can with PS actually...except there's no way for me to blur the lines so they don't look so pixely without doing it all one pixel at a time. I can tell you about one program I can't do a thing with, and that's Photoimpact. It just...doesn't do much. I'm sticking with my pencils, pens, and paper for now. Er, did that help at all?
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« Reply #48 on: October 17, 2004, 01:37:26 pm »
I will just throw in my 2 cents into this discussion. Personally I love Photoshop, and I've been using it for 7 years. Photoshop is a very powerfull program when you know how to use it. I'm still learning new tools and techniques in PS that are usefull. But at the same time PS doesn't make art piece good, its all dependent on the artist.

Photoshop is my favorite because of its excelent brush and layer controls. They are easy to use, and work great (the brushes are really good with a graphics tablet because of the pressure sensitivity). I also use it quite a bit to make textures for 3d graphics, and its well suited for that purpose.

There are also many other great 2d programs out there too. Painter is a very wonderful program, and emulates real-world mediums. Also, Art Rage is an amazing FREE program that has great art tools. But no matter what you program you choose they are only as good as the artist using them.

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« Reply #49 on: November 26, 2004, 07:32:23 am »
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