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« on: April 12, 2005, 08:31:45 pm »
I've noticed a lot of furs use tablets to draw with... and am possibly considering getting one. So what I want to know is, do they work good? Comfortable? Confusing? I would imagine there would be some kind of learning curve, unless you get the fancy $2000 kind where you draw directly on the screen. (Yeeeaaahh, I can't afford that. What I would probably be looking at is a WACOM Intuos 3.) But anyways, how hard is it to learn/use? Help is always appreciated, along with any other information you might have.
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« Reply #1 on: April 12, 2005, 09:42:24 pm »
There was a slight transition from sketching in a book to using a tablet. It took a little bit for me to get used to drawing on the tablet in my lap, but watching the screen to see what I was doing. And sometimes I still try to shift the tablet diagonally (doesn't work!'<img'> Overall, it wasn't that hard to learn to use. Being able to draw in layers is greatness. ^_^

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« Reply #2 on: April 13, 2005, 03:51:17 am »
They're kind of old, but heres a couple of threads you might want to look over.

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I have gotten to try them out now, and... I don't know, but they didn't work all that well for me. I believe the ones at my school are Wacom Intuit2 - 6x8. It's probably just the learning curve you were talking about. I need more practice with them. I tend to try to use it like a mouse (like picking it up and recentering it and stuff like that. Which doesn't work by the way.)

They also have one of those Wacom Monitors. Those are cool. It's very easy to get used to using as it's almost (but not quite) like drawing on paper. But it also gives you the power of using photo editing software (in this case photoshop).  Only problem is like you mentioned, they are expensive.

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« Reply #3 on: April 13, 2005, 04:22:39 am »
Quote (Aerisyka @ April 12 2005, 5:31 pm)
But anyways, how hard is it to learn/use?

Imagine yourself as a draftsman. You are used to drawing on a 36" wide x 24" high paper. Now, imagine you have to do the same drawing, on a piece of paper barely larger than a phone-message pad.

If you can handle that, a tablet is for you '<img'>

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« Reply #4 on: April 13, 2005, 06:31:52 am »
l like them l use one all the time it took me a couple of days to get use to it there good in photoshop you can be very accurate dont get anything smaller than 18x14cm size dont know if thay come any bigger than that but if thay do and you can afford it then get one



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« Reply #5 on: April 14, 2005, 05:03:21 pm »
Hi..

Due to visual problems I have drawn using a digital pad for quite some time. The early ones just drew a line..

But the new ones (I think Wacom is the going brand) give you pressure sensitiviy that is ajustable to suit you. This is much more like natural drawing to let you draw heavy or light lines. I found a small pads  works best for me as I normally expand the drawing for detail work anyhow. Also a small one is easy to handle.   Lots cheaper too. Heh '<img'>

I had a couple big ones, a 12x12 was one. I ended up just using a tiny part of it. I really think the large ones are designed for drafting and copying paper drawings.. Probably a hangover for when they didn't have good scanners. .

The disconnected drawing takes a little getting used to. But after a few days it becomes more natural.

I wouldn't pay a lot extra for high precision. As I said to do the fine detail it's easier to blow up the drawing with the art program. Course that's your call..

As another said if you like to draw large, then getting used to digital pads will be more of a challenge.  

But I have found them fill my drawing needs very well. Most all the art I have online was drawn with a digital pad.

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« Reply #6 on: April 14, 2005, 06:07:02 pm »
at first it was hard for me to switch froma mouse to a tablet. but now i wont go back to a mouse.

some tablets apparently are weird to control mine is cool because no matter where i set the pen on the tablet it doesnt make the curser move unless i drag it. some i hear if you pic it up and move it than set it down teh curser moves over..

if you understood that.

anyways mine is a wacom: graphire 3.. 6X8 my dad payed 70 bucks for it refurbished(used but fixed to be new) which is cheap.




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« Reply #7 on: April 14, 2005, 06:47:45 pm »
Ah, I understand. Well, sounds like it should be easy enough to use, I like drawing small. Usually, anything that needs to be bigger than a sheet of computer paper I have trouble with. (I guess I just need to see all my work to be able to put it in perspective. If you understand that '<img'> ) I was looking at the smaller ones anyway, like I said I don't have a ton of money. Thanks guys, you're a big help!
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« Reply #8 on: April 15, 2005, 04:21:44 am »
I moved from using a mouse to a graphics tablet (Wacom Intuos2, to be specific) about a couple of years ago. I found it very easy to get used to myself, but I know of others who had problems - mainly with co-ordination, I think - and took a little longer to get comfortable with it. From what I've seen, some people find it hard and some people find it easy; it really depends on the individual. Although I would imagine that those who are familiar with mouse-drawing would be at an advantage as the transition from mouse to tablet would probably be much easier than moving straight from pencil and paper to tablet.

If you're serious about digital art and can afford the price of a tablet, I would highly recommend purchasing one. It offers unbeatable control, precision, and sensitivity that just cannot be achieved using a mouse. What size you go for is up to you. Mine has an A5-size drawing area (I think that's 6x8 for you Amercians) and suits me perfectly. Any larger and the increased precision would be outweighed by the amount of movement required to cover the pad - that, and I'm used to working on a small scale. If you're used to working on a bigger scale, however, then a larger tablet may be a better option...again, it's really down to you.

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« Reply #9 on: April 16, 2005, 08:01:11 pm »
Quote (Aerisyka @ April 12 2005, 7:31 pm)
I've noticed a lot of furs use tablets to draw with... and am possibly considering getting one. So what I want to know is, do they work good? Comfortable? Confusing? I would imagine there would be some kind of learning curve, unless you get the fancy $2000 kind where you draw directly on the screen. (Yeeeaaahh, I can't afford that. What I would probably be looking at is a WACOM Intuos 3.) But anyways, how hard is it to learn/use? Help is always appreciated, along with any other information you might have.

WACOM intuois are way too expensive and not worth it unless you want extreme precision with the pen.
Aiptek for my tastes are the best.
they're cheap, they last same as wacom's, the only diference is.. the pen and mouse needs battery. and the texture of the drawing pad changes by the use.
but for me,its worth it :P
just use rechargable batteries, and you're done.
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« Reply #10 on: April 16, 2005, 08:03:06 pm »
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Quote (Aerisyka @ April 12 2005, 5:31 pm)
But anyways, how hard is it to learn/use?

Imagine yourself as a draftsman. You are used to drawing on a 36" wide x 24" high paper. Now, imagine you have to do the same drawing, on a piece of paper barely larger than a phone-message pad.

If you can handle that, a tablet is for you '<img'>

ditto, its hard to get used to it at start.
thats why the bigger the tablet, the better. but more expensive of course...

6 x 8 is the most recommended version
some use the tiny 5 x 6 wich is too small for my tastes..
and anything above 6 x 8 is quite expensive.
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« Reply #11 on: April 19, 2005, 09:02:46 am »
I have a problem.  kada-Ru is being kind enough to let me use her tablet.  However, neither her, WS, or myself can figure out how to get it work. i downloaded the drivers and everything. installed, all that lovely crap. But we can figure out how to get the oen talking to the pad and my computer. i know you are supposed to calibrate it or wahtever, but the 3 of us cant seem to figure out, just wth is going on, and why it cant work. i need some help, any help would be good. i would appreciate it if y'al lwould email me @
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« Reply #12 on: April 19, 2005, 11:04:30 am »
as I trained in Drafting on a Tablet (ome form of HP, both pen tablet and puck versions) i was more familliar with a tablet before a mouse.  I didn't see a mouse untill I went to college.  i have another, here, that I can't use.  upon trying to do anything with it, the whole computer reboots.  the comp would need at least 512 mem in order not to overload it.  we had a similar problem with the old comp after installing ME/Xp on it...instant reboot.

can anyone give me some suggestions as to what to cut off untill we can afford to boost the memory capacity, here?

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« Reply #13 on: April 20, 2005, 09:12:48 pm »
Quote (Colt @ April 19 2005, 8:02 am)
I have a problem.  kada-Ru is being kind enough to let me use her tablet.  However, neither her, WS, or myself can figure out how to get it work. i downloaded the drivers and everything. installed, all that lovely crap. But we can figure out how to get the oen talking to the pad and my computer. i know you are supposed to calibrate it or wahtever, but the 3 of us cant seem to figure out, just wth is going on, and why it cant work. i need some help, any help would be good. i would appreciate it if y'al lwould email me @
Lonely_unicorn_mare @ yahoo.com with your advice, as aopposed to here. thanks much in advance.

all tablets should have an active driver or controller running to move it.
it should move just like a normal mouse just that the tablet surface = what you see on monitor.

also I didnt need to calibrate my aiptek to be honest, so its kinda wierd
I only can tell you that you have to click on it to activate it ( Ie, pressing the pen on the surface and move it around until it gets active and then opening the art program )
I recommend starting the program by clicking with the PEN, and not the mouse, that will prevent certain bugs with most tablets.
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« Reply #14 on: April 20, 2005, 09:14:46 pm »
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as I trained in Drafting on a Tablet (ome form of HP, both pen tablet and puck versions) i was more familliar with a tablet before a mouse.  I didn't see a mouse untill I went to college.  i have another, here, that I can't use.  upon trying to do anything with it, the whole computer reboots.  the comp would need at least 512 mem in order not to overload it.  we had a similar problem with the old comp after installing ME/Xp on it...instant reboot.

can anyone give me some suggestions as to what to cut off untill we can afford to boost the memory capacity, here?

I think this is more a driver/hardware error than memory to be honest
I've never seen a table that uses more than 32 MB of active ram to work
my Aiptek 8 x 6's driver only needs like.. 6 MB to work.
so I think its a hardware error what causes the computer to collapsse when attempping to comunicate with your tablet.
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« Reply #15 on: April 21, 2005, 03:51:31 am »
No, its not. If you can manage to color & line outside of your PC, the quality is 100x better then anything you will ever get with a tablet. If you -must- get a tablet, know that its not exactly the best drawing tool on earth. I do alot better personaly with a mouse and the common pen tool when illustrating. For painting and rough washing, a tablet is nice because the size is adjustable by pressure in certain programs. Otherwise its a waste of money. All in how much you want to put into your art I guess. Unless you plan on making money or have a serious addiction to your work, I wouldnt recomend a tablet over 100$. Aiptek makes good, cheap tablets you may want to check out.

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« Reply #16 on: April 23, 2005, 12:17:05 am »
I'm with Cesarin on the Aiptek tablets. They're good quality for a much better price. I have a 6x8 refurbished that I bought from the company and it works splendidly. Doesn't slow my computer down a bit.

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« Reply #17 on: April 23, 2005, 05:49:38 pm »
I love my tablet.
It took me a bit to get used to it, but now I can draw comfortably while only looking at the screen since I'm familiar with the dimension of the tablet.
I had a 4x5 for a while, and it did a good job, but I admit that the 6x8 does feel nicer.
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« Reply #18 on: April 24, 2005, 10:55:03 am »
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I think this is more a driver/hardware error than memory to be honest
I've never seen a table that uses more than 32 MB of active ram to work
my Aiptek 8 x 6's driver only needs like.. 6 MB to work.
so I think its a hardware error what causes the computer to collapsse when attempping to comunicate with your tablet.


not when you have the updated drivers and recieved such from a computer repair and manufacturing person in the first place.

it has something to do with the fact that the tablet draws 10 k of memory just by itself, but XP pulls 250 of 256k by itself, this, leaving the remaining 6 k to be utilised by all other programs.

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« Reply #19 on: April 25, 2005, 03:24:50 am »
10k?
you mean kilobytes???

in the year of windows XP most hardware has an average of 512 MB of EXTENDED memory, dont know who would use only the 648 kb of basic memory.....

To be honest, I find this confusing .. maybe you had a typo?
Ie 10k = 10,000bytes =


So I supose you mean MEGABYTES..

and yes, windows XP sucks completely if you're using less than 512 MB...
but dont blame memory, blame windows XP..
for 256 MB.. windows98SE would work way better :P
btw,you can free a lot of memory usage by using "XPantispy" program, wich lets you uninstall, remove and change useless services of windows.
that would help you save a few precious Mb..
if not,the only way is.. getting more ram..
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« Reply #20 on: June 20, 2005, 01:00:12 am »
I'm running Mac osX (Panther) and I have a Wacom Graphire 2 tablet. It's 4"x6" I believe. While I would prefer to have a slightly bigger size (6X8 is perfect) I still love the quality of the Wacom series. The pressure sensitive pad makes very expressive marks in Painter and Photoshop (and Color-It, a Mac Photoshop knock-off.) I only use a mouse for fine control moments, like when I'm selecting exact pixels with the Marquee tool.
I've been using Wacom since 1993, when we were using the big 16x20 monsters for graphic work at college. That size isn't necessary, but can be nice for fine pixel control. Smaller is often better for general art use; as I said, a 6"x8" tablet is wonderful.
I haven't had much experience with other brands of tablets, but I have had enough professional experience to know that Wacom is the pro's first pick.
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