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Offline Kato_pup

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want to learn seeking advice!
« on: September 14, 2010, 03:51:19 pm »
      Alright, first off I want to be able to express my fursona more through art. I also want to learn to create my own fursuit and but that is a whole mother topic on w whole nother section, but I first need to learn to draw so that I can freely express my fursona. I also need to get my fursona down so that leads me the reason why I made this post in the first place!
          I plane on checking out some of the books that where posted in the verry first article but when skiming through them, I didn't see anything really targeting praportions and also also how to draw charectors in diferent positions. I can draw alright but I lack structure.
             I was wondering if anyone had s good refrence to s book or webpage ...ect that speciLized in helping u learn how to draw charectors in the positioms you want, also i am interestef in how u know the preportions like how long the snout or muzzle should be in comparison with the head and rest of body.
       Also if someone has already asked ehat I am asking or there are already another post in regardes to what i am asking  please reference me to it. I tried to look first but I could have gotten lazzy and missed it. Sorry and thank you! :goldgrin:
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Re: want to learn seeking advice!
« Reply #1 on: September 14, 2010, 06:36:17 pm »
Ah, I answered this question in another thread, so I'll just copy and paste it a bit ;)

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Although drawing stylistically sounds fun, you can't just jump in and decide you're going to draw in a certain style (ex: anime). You have to learn how things really look before you warp them to the style you want.
You have to learn the rules before you break them.
If you draw things realistically at first, then you have a good foundation and understanding, meaning it'll be easier to develop a style because you'll know what things really look like, and you'll know how you can change them to obtain the look you want to achieve.
That being said, the best way to learn is to draw from real life references.
Pictures are okay, but nothing beats the real thing.
See, with pictures you only see the dimension that the camera sees, whereas if you draw from life, then you can see all sides of the object and understand its dimension so you can better communicate that in your drawing.
So, if you want to learn how to do character drawings, you need to learn how to draw the human (or animal) form first.
If you're doing a furry character, it's important to learn how to draw humans and animals, that way you can have more options when it comes to drawing your character (ex: giving them more human looking feet, or more animal looking hands, or an interesting mix of the two).
Like I said, drawing from pictures is good, but draw from real life as often as you can.
It's also good to get some good tutorials from Deviantart that explain how to better measure the placement of body parts or facial features (ex: eyes are usually one-eye-length apart from each other, the ends of the mouth usually meet the middle the eyes, the bottom part of the ear usually meets the bottom of the nose placement).
Sorry for the HUGE WALL OF TEXT, but I do plan to be an art teacher in the future, so I have lots to say on the subject.

Anyway, if you survived all that, here's a good tutorial on drawing furries:
http://hippie.nu/~unicorn/tut/xhtml/
It's good because it also gives guides on how muscles act and are placed, as well as skeletal structure.
It's a lot to read, but there's some really good stuff and guides in there, so I would suggest it to anyone.
And if you scroll all the way down, there's an index in case you just want to look out one certain part of the guide.

Another good site is:
http://characterdesigns.com/index.php?sitepage=photosets
WARNING, THEY DO HAVE NUDE MODELS ON THIS SITE.
But, they are all for artistic purposes (not pornographic).
Anyway, that site has a BUNCH of pictures of models in different poses, so it's good for practice.

ANOTHER good site is:
http://www.posemaniacs.com/
This site has 3D pictures of people without skin.
Now, although it isn't really a real-life reference, it's still an excellent site, since it shows muscle placement, PLUS you can ROTATE the 3D models, which is great for practice and learning how the body looks from all angles in a wide variety of poses. I believe there's also a 3D head model somewhere in there that you can rotate to whichever angel you want....

I believe the first link listed is the one you're looking for. :)
Hope that helps.

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Re: want to learn seeking advice!
« Reply #2 on: September 15, 2010, 01:03:16 am »
I suck at drawing non-realistically... I... simply lack the capacity to visualize in such a manner I suppose. But yes, learning to draw realistically is generally a good first step to build an all-so-important foundation in.... Perspective & Proportions!
Seriously; those two are very important; so many people simply decide that they want to draw in some style or another and it comes out bad because they have no sense of proportionality, and lack perspective.

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Re: want to learn seeking advice!
« Reply #3 on: September 15, 2010, 02:34:10 am »
A great way to learn how to draw is to start by drawing just simple objects in front of you.  Remember that you're trying to draw what you can see,  not what you know is there.


If you look at a box from a distance,  you shouldn't see a square on the top,  it will look a little more like a very small rectangle or a diamond.  Try to figure out how large that rectangle or diamond is compared to the from fact of the box.  Measure the angles.   A box from a distance will not have all right angles.  some may be much larger than others.


it's things like this you need to teach yourself to see.  Once you get down boxes,  try more complex things like a water glass or a remote control.

Man made things are often symmetrical and have sharper angles.   Nature however is a lot more rounded and unpredictable.

Once you can draw man made things effectively (and it will take a while) try the same approach with a picture of an animal.

What do you /see/?   It doesn't have anything to do with what you know is there,  or what you think should be there...  only what you can actually see in front of you.

Once you learn to draw animals that you're looking at in photographs,  drawing them yourself from your mind will be a lot easier,  because you will know not only which lines typically go where,  but you'll know why.  you'll know to draw certain muscles and what they're supposed be portraying...  Even if you choose to draw in a cartooney style.



Observe and study the following two images closely.  Understanding these gives amazing insight into perspective:


1 Point perspective:



Notice as the horizontal edges of the box get closer to the horizon (the viewers eye level basically)  they get more and more horizontal,  until finally they are strait.  The farther away they top and bottom lines get,  the less horizontal and more diagonal they become.   This perspective is for things that you are facing and looking at head on.


Two point perspective:





Same goes here,  the two lines making the top and the two lines making up the bottom get closer and closer to being one strait horizontal line the closer they get to the horizon line.

Draw two dots at the same level on opposite sides of a piece of paper.  Draw a 1 inch vertical line anywhere on that paper,  and then draw lines from the top of the vertical line to both the points,  and lines from the bottom of that vertical line to both of the point.  Experiment and complete the box.





Most importantly,  practice...  keep doing it... don't get lazy like me and stop...  If you keep practicing and you keep at it,  Several months from now it may not feel like you've gone far...  But, then you'll look at your work from now and you'll be amazed at the progress.
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