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Re: Diablo 3 reaper of souls
« Reply #25 on: March 15, 2014, 11:32:23 am »
63k myself with 69k on the enchantress. I run a summoner build though as well so the minions take a lot of the damage. Best thing to do is try and see how you cope.
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Re: Diablo 3 reaper of souls
« Reply #26 on: March 15, 2014, 01:37:21 pm »
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Re: Diablo 3 reaper of souls
« Reply #27 on: March 15, 2014, 03:51:07 pm »
63k myself with 69k on the enchantress. I run a summoner build though as well so the minions take a lot of the damage. Best thing to do is try and see how you cope.

Aha okay then,well will try it then ^^
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« Reply #28 on: March 15, 2014, 04:00:44 pm »
Between building my life back up from scratch and trying to fix my car, the expansion might wait a while. lol I used to play constantly until I had to move a few months ago. I'm thinking of getting back into it. I forget what level Barbie is. I almost got her to 60 but I outleveled my gear and at the time better stuff was hard to find without spending real money on the AH.

yep,no hurry in buying the expansion it doesn't go anywhere. ;) Well you should really get back into it,it has really improved a lot. So collecting better gear for your character won't be hard anymore,just one run and your character's gear is up to level. :)
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Re: Diablo 3 reaper of souls
« Reply #29 on: March 15, 2014, 04:19:56 pm »
After a quick shuffling of skills I've managed to kill Azmodan on Torment 2 so far. Will try higher ones later. I suspect I'll need better equipment though since I haven't changed it. Farm T1 and hope for something good.

So,i still play on Master maybe i need to try Torment. What dps do you have now? i have 74,328.00 with my barbarian would that be enough for Torment?

I think the biggest question here is how efficiently you can run. Frank is my female barbarian. She's sitting on almost 73k damage and 1,180,000 toughness. I can survive Torment 1 solo with her. But it takes forever to DPS stuff down. Especially the bosses. So I generally play on Master if I just feel like derping without having to think, or Expert if I don't mind paying a little more attention (but I'm still not really in any danger of dying on either of those). The experience gain is a little slower, but for farming items, it's a lot more efficient at the lower difficulties.

I've played on Torment 2 in a party with a few friends that have better gear than I do. I think I only died once or twice in several runs of it. I was mostly just there to absorb damage and provide CC.

Also, as to the account-bound legendaries: If you're partied with other players, you actually have a 2-hour window where you can trade the item over to the other players in your party before it truly locks to your account. Though I believe once you equip it, it also locks to your account? I don't know for sure...

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« Reply #30 on: March 15, 2014, 08:26:58 pm »
I think the biggest question here is how efficiently you can run. Frank is my female barbarian. She's sitting on almost 73k damage and 1,180,000 toughness. I can survive Torment 1 solo with her. But it takes forever to DPS stuff down. Especially the bosses. So I generally play on Master if I just feel like derping without having to think, or Expert if I don't mind paying a little more attention (but I'm still not really in any danger of dying on either of those). The experience gain is a little slower, but for farming items, it's a lot more efficient at the lower difficulties.

I've played on Torment 2 in a party with a few friends that have better gear than I do. I think I only died once or twice in several runs of it. I was mostly just there to absorb damage and provide CC.

Also, as to the account-bound legendaries: If you're partied with other players, you actually have a 2-hour window where you can trade the item over to the other players in your party before it truly locks to your account. Though I believe once you equip it, it also locks to your account? I don't know for sure...

All my runs i play carefully,but sometimes i just jump into group of mobs though if im against a elite group of mobs im being even more careful xD i sometimes play with my brother and then i will just always jump first in battle...most of the times i survive ;3 so i myself find that im quite efficiently can run a whole act without dying. Will test it this Sunday ^^ xD

I think for sure that if you equip it,it will locks to your account. Same else in WoW.
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Re: Diablo 3 reaper of souls
« Reply #31 on: March 15, 2014, 09:30:22 pm »
All my runs i play carefully,but sometimes i just jump into group of mobs though if im against a elite group of mobs im being even more careful xD i sometimes play with my brother and then i will just always jump first in battle...most of the times i survive ;3 so i myself find that im quite efficiently can run a whole act without dying. Will test it this Sunday ^^ xD

I think for sure that if you equip it,it will locks to your account. Same else in WoW.

It's not so much a question of whether or not you can survive. It's more a question of how quickly you can clear. The extra difficulty of being on Torment is going to slow you down a lot, compared to Expert.  And while it may seem like the jump between 200% and 300% experience gain is a lot, if you're only clearing Torment 1 at half the speed that you would clear on Expert, you're actually going to level slower. Also, you'll be taking down blue and yellow packs, as well as bosses, much slower. That effectively means you aren't getting items as fast, either.

I guess it comes down to what you're looking for when you play. If you want to feel like you're really being challenged, then go for Torment (and keep increasing it as you gear up and have an easier and easier time clearing). If you want to farm items because you don't yet have items to quickly clear Torment, stick with Expert until you gear up enough to do so.

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Re: Diablo 3 reaper of souls
« Reply #32 on: March 15, 2014, 10:46:43 pm »
250k toughness on my WD x3 Though the summoner build has minions so I don't need it to be anywhere near as high as yours. Plus they also generate additional dps. I don't find T1 that much of a grind. Even T2 didn't really slow down that much. Haven't tried T3 yet. Need better gear first I think. Got a couple of legendaries today but only 1 was any good for me.

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Re: Diablo 3 reaper of souls
« Reply #33 on: March 15, 2014, 11:40:29 pm »
250k toughness on my WD x3 Though the summoner build has minions so I don't need it to be anywhere near as high as yours. Plus they also generate additional dps. I don't find T1 that much of a grind. Even T2 didn't really slow down that much. Haven't tried T3 yet. Need better gear first I think. Got a couple of legendaries today but only 1 was any good for me.

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Yeah, my damage/toughness ratio is probably a bit too skewed toward toughness atm >.<
I expect the damage value to jump pretty significantly as I finally start finding gear with crit chance and/or crit damage on it. I really have a frustratingly low amount of both on the barb. All my items are just raw strength and vitality. And apparently a lot of regen, as well...

I decided to spend my D3 time today leveling up my wizard. He's actually the first character I ever had, and he's been stuck at level 37 for a LONG time now. I ended up shelving him a while back, and made a DH instead. DH ended up being my first 60. Sometime during the summer of last year, a friend and I ran double monks up to 60 just for fun. Frank was 55 until my vacation two weeks ago, where I brought her to 60, and have significantly improved her gear. So, I figure it's time I get the wizard back out and hit 60 on him. That'll just leave me with the WD, who is currently level 12. That'll be a bit longer of a project...

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« Reply #34 on: March 16, 2014, 01:13:09 pm »
It's not so much a question of whether or not you can survive. It's more a question of how quickly you can clear. The extra difficulty of being on Torment is going to slow you down a lot, compared to Expert.  And while it may seem like the jump between 200% and 300% experience gain is a lot, if you're only clearing Torment 1 at half the speed that you would clear on Expert, you're actually going to level slower. Also, you'll be taking down blue and yellow packs, as well as bosses, much slower. That effectively means you aren't getting items as fast, either.

I guess it comes down to what you're looking for when you play. If you want to feel like you're really being challenged, then go for Torment (and keep increasing it as you gear up and have an easier and easier time clearing). If you want to farm items because you don't yet have items to quickly clear Torment, stick with Expert until you gear up enough to do so.

Its indeed not quickly,already died once at the first blue elite group in torment,so i can better stick to expert ^^
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Re: Diablo 3 reaper of souls
« Reply #35 on: March 16, 2014, 10:20:34 pm »
It seems MF has been massively nerfed and is being phased out as it's no longer in the attributes tables for drops so I swapped out a few of the items I had and increased my damage to 93k and toughness to 450k. T1 is a lot easier and I haven't seen a noticeable change in legendary drops so I'm happy. Got the puzzle ring today though. Interesting one though I haven't found enough normal or lower items to make it do anything so far.
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« Reply #36 on: March 17, 2014, 03:33:24 am »
It seems MF has been massively nerfed and is being phased out as it's no longer in the attributes tables for drops so I swapped out a few of the items I had and increased my damage to 93k and toughness to 450k. T1 is a lot easier and I haven't seen a noticeable change in legendary drops so I'm happy. Got the puzzle ring today though. Interesting one though I haven't found enough normal or lower items to make it do anything so far.

It indeed seems like they nerfed MF massively and if its already phasing out,would the chance be that they remove MF? Cuz people might be going for increasing there damages instead of having gear with MF. Okay so i need 93k damage to be able to do T1 ^^ thats good,thats indeed interesting,cuz at low levels you want to find rare's and legendary items and at high level if you have that ring you want to find lower items but then they are harder to find or just not enough. xD Do you always break/click on weapon and armor racks? cuz i think those things drops more lower/normal items and if you run through a entire act you properly can find enough lower gear to get it to work. :3
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Re: Diablo 3 reaper of souls
« Reply #37 on: March 17, 2014, 05:19:53 pm »
It seems MF has been massively nerfed and is being phased out as it's no longer in the attributes tables for drops so I swapped out a few of the items I had and increased my damage to 93k and toughness to 450k. T1 is a lot easier and I haven't seen a noticeable change in legendary drops so I'm happy. Got the puzzle ring today though. Interesting one though I haven't found enough normal or lower items to make it do anything so far.

It indeed seems like they nerfed MF massively and if its already phasing out,would the chance be that they remove MF? Cuz people might be going for increasing there damages instead of having gear with MF. Okay so i need 93k damage to be able to do T1 ^^ thats good,thats indeed interesting,cuz at low levels you want to find rare's and legendary items and at high level if you have that ring you want to find lower items but then they are harder to find or just not enough. xD Do you always break/click on weapon and armor racks? cuz i think those things drops more lower/normal items and if you run through a entire act you properly can find enough lower gear to get it to work. :3

The weapon and armor racks are definitely the place to go for low level/white items. I'm actually not sure they have any chance at all of dropping blue or higher items. I've never picked one up from those. After the recent changes, I've gone back to picking up everything I find, and salvaging for mats. Sure, the common debris (and other mats) drop randomly as well. But salvaging a full white item usually gives anywhere from 4-7 common debris from the single item. Really easy to get 1k+ common debris sitting around.

For MF... I didn't realize they were removing it, but that makes a little more sense. They've changed to having certain packs/bosses guarantee certain types of drops. And if you are clearing with a character for the first time (or reset the quests), Diablo now is a guaranteed legendary drop.

I've restarted my WD run. By suggestion from my friends, I started him fresh and set it to Torment 1. I was nearly level 4 before even entering New Tristram. And supposedly, you can expect to be in the 30's or 40's already by the end of Act 1. Levels and gear will accelerate fast enough that you should still be able to clear reasonably quickly at that difficulty level.

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« Reply #38 on: March 17, 2014, 05:52:59 pm »
The weapon and armor racks are definitely the place to go for low level/white items. I'm actually not sure they have any chance at all of dropping blue or higher items. I've never picked one up from those. After the recent changes, I've gone back to picking up everything I find, and salvaging for mats. Sure, the common debris (and other mats) drop randomly as well. But salvaging a full white item usually gives anywhere from 4-7 common debris from the single item. Really easy to get 1k+ common debris sitting around.

For MF... I didn't realize they were removing it, but that makes a little more sense. They've changed to having certain packs/bosses guarantee certain types of drops. And if you are clearing with a character for the first time (or reset the quests), Diablo now is a guaranteed legendary drop.

I've restarted my WD run. By suggestion from my friends, I started him fresh and set it to Torment 1. I was nearly level 4 before even entering New Tristram. And supposedly, you can expect to be in the 30's or 40's already by the end of Act 1. Levels and gear will accelerate fast enough that you should still be able to clear reasonably quickly at that difficulty level.

Armor and weapon racks have a chance to drop blue/rare,and also when looting corpses you are able to loot blue/rare and even a chance on a legendary items ^^ so its worth breaking and looting everything.

But if you start in torment 1 with a new character,the loot would still be for higher lvl or does the loot drop adjust to your level no matter wich difficulty you choose? ok nvm this question,also made a new character and it seems the mobs are getting stronger the higher lvl you get and so also the loot will get better. ^^
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Re: Diablo 3 reaper of souls
« Reply #39 on: March 19, 2014, 06:12:30 am »
Enemies now scale. The difficulties now seems to be more relevant on if you want to Farm or Level.

On Normal you'll get the same Legendaries as you would on Torment (without RoS) and since you can mow down anything with ease on it it's good for farming quickly. Even though Torment has a slight increased legendary drop rate it takes long to kill things. Torment is more for gold, levels and RoS content it seems.

I'm now at 100k dmg and just over 1.1 mill toughness and have no issues in T2 beyond the times it takes to actually kill things now. Still prefer T1 as it's feels much quicker to solo.
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Re: Diablo 3 reaper of souls
« Reply #40 on: March 19, 2014, 08:28:29 am »
Just hit level 34 last night ^^ And got about six achievements and a legendary in the space of two minutes. My first ever playthrough though, it's to be expected that I would be hemorrhaging achievements like anything.

Miles off the sort of damage you people are running XD

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« Reply #41 on: March 19, 2014, 11:41:43 am »
Enemies now scale. The difficulties now seems to be more relevant on if you want to Farm or Level.

On Normal you'll get the same Legendaries as you would on Torment (without RoS) and since you can mow down anything with ease on it it's good for farming quickly. Even though Torment has a slight increased legendary drop rate it takes long to kill things. Torment is more for gold, levels and RoS content it seems.

I'm now at 100k dmg and just over 1.1 mill toughness and have no issues in T2 beyond the times it takes to actually kill things now. Still prefer T1 as it's feels much quicker to solo.

So it would still be better when starting a new character to start on normal if you want to do it quickly and choose Torment if you want a challenge even though it takes long when killing mobs,elite mobs/bosses.

I always wonder what is better dual wielding or having a 2h on a barbarian at lvl 60?
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« Reply #42 on: March 19, 2014, 11:44:04 am »
Just hit level 34 last night ^^ And got about six achievements and a legendary in the space of two minutes. My first ever playthrough though, it's to be expected that I would be hemorrhaging achievements like anything.

Miles off the sort of damage you people are running XD

Congratz ^^

If you keep on playing like you are now,it won't take long before you have the same damage else us X3 
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« Reply #43 on: March 19, 2014, 10:15:59 pm »
I always wonder what is better dual wielding or having a 2h on a barbarian at lvl 60?

The correct answer is not a weapon class, but a specific legendary. At least according to my friends. And by my experience, I kinda have to agree with them. The best item (right now, at least) for any class that can wield a 2-handed axe is the Skorn. I'd actually guess that this is part of the reason that Reaper of Souls will be introducing further weapon upgrades. Two weapons stand out as the best in the game: Manticore for DH, and Skorn for the rest, pretty much. Adding even higher-level items is going to allow these to fall from that ideal-weapon status. And, hopefully, they'll have balanced the legendaries across the spectrum a bit better for the level 61-70 items.

I've been slowly putting a bit more time into my WD over the last couple days. I just finished Act 1, and running on Torment 1, I'm already level 43. Just to make things easier/faster (because I do want to actually go through and beat the game with each class), I should be able to drop it back to Master or Expert now. That'll let me push through at a pretty good pace, and I should be pretty well ensured to be 60 before reaching Diablo at this point.

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« Reply #44 on: March 20, 2014, 03:00:33 pm »
The correct answer is not a weapon class, but a specific legendary. At least according to my friends. And by my experience, I kinda have to agree with them. The best item (right now, at least) for any class that can wield a 2-handed axe is the Skorn. I'd actually guess that this is part of the reason that Reaper of Souls will be introducing further weapon upgrades. Two weapons stand out as the best in the game: Manticore for DH, and Skorn for the rest, pretty much. Adding even higher-level items is going to allow these to fall from that ideal-weapon status. And, hopefully, they'll have balanced the legendaries across the spectrum a bit better for the level 61-70 items.

I've been slowly putting a bit more time into my WD over the last couple days. I just finished Act 1, and running on Torment 1, I'm already level 43. Just to make things easier/faster (because I do want to actually go through and beat the game with each class), I should be able to drop it back to Master or Expert now. That'll let me push through at a pretty good pace, and I should be pretty well ensured to be 60 before reaching Diablo at this point.

Aha okay then ^^

So you would recommend starting a new character on Torment 1 till Act 1 is completed and then turn the difficulty back to Master or Expert? 
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« Reply #45 on: March 20, 2014, 03:23:19 pm »
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Re: Diablo 3 reaper of souls
« Reply #46 on: March 20, 2014, 06:24:21 pm »
So you would recommend starting a new character on Torment 1 till Act 1 is completed and then turn the difficulty back to Master or Expert? 

How many paragon levels do you have at this point? One of the biggest things that seems to make it less difficult to start on Torment 1 from the beginning is having a decent amount of paragon points to spend. The first thing you'll want to do when you get in the game is assign those points.

I'd say just try it and see how it goes. It'll be easier if every 5-10 levels you check to see if you can craft any upgrades for your items.

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« Reply #47 on: March 20, 2014, 07:15:45 pm »

How many paragon levels do you have at this point? One of the biggest things that seems to make it less difficult to start on Torment 1 from the beginning is having a decent amount of paragon points to spend. The first thing you'll want to do when you get in the game is assign those points.

I'd say just try it and see how it goes. It'll be easier if every 5-10 levels you check to see if you can craft any upgrades for your items.

paragon level 39.

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« Reply #48 on: March 20, 2014, 07:16:33 pm »
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« Reply #49 on: March 21, 2014, 01:08:57 pm »
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