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general non-furry discussion / Re: What really "grinds your gears"?
« Last post by Firelight on July 25, 2022, 07:41:13 pm »
Just my dad currently.
general non-furry discussion / Re: What Are You Up To?
« Last post by Firelight on July 25, 2022, 07:40:12 pm »
Will be trying to stay cool in 99-100% heat!
convention talk / Re: DenFur2022 rebooted?
« Last post by Jade Sinapu on July 23, 2022, 10:52:16 pm »
I will see what we can do.  For now I will just get there, and see what happens.
She is into Anime and comic cons, and such.
traditional and digital artwork / Re: A Rat's journey in oil painting.
« Last post by cause the rat on July 23, 2022, 04:15:28 am »
To be truthful the above posts started as an attempt to get a picture posted. Couldn't get the pic on site so I ranted instead. I'll find a way to show off my clown vomit.


I just got done teaching myself something. Something that any time I hear someone talk about is "One of the hardest things for an artist to learn". In all honesty I spent  more than a hundred hours learning to see value instead of color. Learning to match values with color. So what am I doing now? I'm forgetting everything else I've learned or heard. Recklessly throwing paint. Instead of discipline I'm happily sliding down the other side of the mountain I just climbed. Creating more bad habits I'll have to stop before I can start up the next side. It's a proven fact that it's harder to fix bad habits than it is to learn it right the first time. Time to get serious again. Discipline. So I spent hours looking at how artist depicted painted planks of wood. Now I'm going to spend hours trying to recreate what they did. Find a tough spot? Fix it. Every time you do this the process gets faster. Don't waste any more of your time hoping you'll get it right on the next project.

A little fun fact about values
So your anthro character is majestically sanding with the scenery stretching to the horizon behind. A landscape is broken down into three sections. Background, mid and foreground. Each of these sections have their own value scale of dark, mid and light. These values depend on whether the object is upright or if it's the ground. So every upright object in the background has a different set of three values that the ground around them. The same goes for the mid ground and the foreground. None of the values in one plane can be repeated in the next. The sky has it's own set of values. Again can not be repeated. So even before you get to your majestic anthro character you have four separate sets of three values and three of one value each. Why is value so important to learn? Value is what creates form and depth in art. Now when someone see's your anthro character it will be standing out from the landscape around it.
traditional and digital artwork / Re: A Rat's journey in oil painting.
« Last post by cause the rat on July 22, 2022, 12:58:10 am »
see if this works. It's a learning thing. Trial and error. And I took error into a whole new realm. What's really got my goat is I knew not to do what I did. Not even going to call it a beginner's mistake. Nope, just plain dumb on my part. But I did learn something from it. The two different painting techniques I want to learn do not work well when put on top of one another. The one is dragging wet paint through wet paint to create texture. The other is using colors with the same or close to the same value to create texture. Spent an hour painting the first layer. Just to spend two plus hours turning half of an exercise into what looks like clown vomit. The other thing I learned was spending all that time painting a first layer wasn't necessary if I want to use either of the other techniques. Now I'm going to spend time scraping half of this exercise off and starting that section over. Working on both texture and shadow color. The area I turned to clown vomit is supposed to be wood planks. Still have a stone and brick wall to play with. Along with a cobbled street.

Push yourself. You may get more oops than Ah HA moments. Always compare yourself to where you wan to be. Never keep your mistakes. I Cant' say this enough. If your learning never keep what you did. Remember what you did right and go on. Looking back will hold you back.
convention talk / Re: DenFur2022 rebooted?
« Last post by Kobuk on July 19, 2022, 10:01:25 pm »
Sounds to me like she is a furry. ;)

Maybe you can check with the hotel and see if they have what are called "rollaway beds". I had to use one when staying with some people in a room during AC2007.
During AC2008, I roomed with another person, but he slept on the bed while I had to bring a sleeping bag for the floor.
general non-furry discussion / Re: What Are You Up To?
« Last post by Jade Sinapu on July 19, 2022, 09:27:24 pm »
Trying to relax.
Been working about 10 hours a day every day non-stop for 2+ weeks.
And I do not get paid anymore.
convention talk / Re: DenFur2022 rebooted?
« Last post by Jade Sinapu on July 19, 2022, 09:23:18 pm »
 Well i tried changing reservations,  too late at the con price.
And I'm cheap.
I did not want to pay for the room and not sleep on something soft. 
traditional and digital artwork / Re: A Rat's journey in oil painting.
« Last post by cause the rat on July 19, 2022, 07:39:49 pm »
If you haven't read the above post read it first. Posted twice in one day.

My own life has proven to me the 10.000 hour belief is bad advice. I went from starting the guitar to playing jazz in three years. I would have had to play 9+ hours a day. It's not the time. It's the effort that counts.

Explanation of 'color value'. The value of a color is how light or dark the color is. Viewing a photo in black and white will show the values of each color in that photo.

All three exercises. Yep, three. The first one you should get good at is the black and white nine step gray scale. I got this off the web. Not sure if the youtube channel I got from is the original creator. Need to give credit so the link below is to the youtube video that started all of this. This exercise is the same as the Psycho Scale Exercise but in black and white only. Get good at this before starting the color exercises. Great way to start training your eyes to see value.

An explanation of the two exercises I came up with and the rules to follow. Because they're mine I get to name them. Psycho is kind of short for psychedelic. And very close to how your going to feel hours into these exercises. You will need a camera or phone camera that can be set on gray scale to do these exercises.

Psycho squares. Three colors of matching value. Goal. To mix thee different colors with matching values. When viewed in gray scale they appear as one shade of gray.

Any three different colors. As light or dark as you want to make them.  First mix your main color. Then mix second color and judge by eye if it's value is the same as your first. Check this with your camera on gray scale. If the two values don't match judge them again with your eyes and try to see the difference in value. Change the second mixed color according to difference and judge it by eye again. Then with the camera. Repeat these steps until you get the first two colors right. Then mix a third and repeat the process all over again. Get to the point where you can mix two of the three right judging with your eyes and all three extremely close in value the first time before starting on the second exercise.

Some encouragement. When I started this I would spend twenty or more minutes judging and remixing the second color alone.  Why do this? Every artist I've seen on Youtube that gets thousands for each painting says the very same thing. "Value is more important than color. " Seeing the value instead of the color is that important.

Psycho Scale Exercise.
Make a nine step scale from the dark to light using mixed colors. Important. Before you do either of these exercises with color get good at this exercise using only black and white paint. The rules and procedure are basically the same

This exercise uses three different scales. A three spot, five spot and nine spot scale. Each of these scales is depended on the colors you mix for the smaller scale before it. Mix a different color for each square. An example. From dark to light. Red, blue yellow, green, orange, purple, gray, yellow, green. Never use the same color next to each other. Mix each color individually. Never use two of your mixed colors to make an in-between color.

Start my marking out all three scales. I keep mine around a half inch square for each color spot.

Starting with the tree spot. Mix your darkest color. Now mix the lightest. Pint the darkest color in the first square of each scale. Paint the lightest color in the last square of each scale. Now mix a new color that, to your eyes is directly in the middle of the values of the dark and light color. Try your best to get this right by eye alone. Now use your camera to judge your results. If you are positive this value is directly in the middle of the other two paint it in the middle square of the three spot. The third square in the five spot and the fifth in the nine spot.

The five spot.
The idea is to mix the two remaining values. Each one directly in the middle of the values of the ones around them. First judging by eye and then with the camera. You will instantly know if this exercise is a failure. All three scales depend solely on the middle color of the first three. The exercise is a failure if all five values in the fiver spot are not evenly spaced when viewed in gray scale. Do not go past this until you get this extremely close or right without using the camera to judge. OK, you can go ahead and fill out what is possible in the nine spot for practice.

The nine spot.
Paint the value in the second square of the five spot into the third square of the nine spot. The value on the fourth square goes into the seventh slot of the nine slot square. Mix the remaining colors. Use the camera to help at first. But by this time you should be good enough at seeing values to get it very close by eye.

Is this possible to do? Yes it is. Why put this much effort into it? Because your art is worth it. Spending perhaps a hundred hours or more on this is far better than nine thousand on slop. Learning color theory, contrast, composition and all the rest are easily found on the web. All these techniques are far easier to put into practice once you learn to see values. If value is more important than caller than this skill should be learned first.

Something that will also help. Once you got good at a nine spot black and white value scale try painting in black and white. Base your exercise on something in full color. Do this exercise without viewing the photo/object in black and white. Then judge your results by viewing your work and what you based it on in black and white.

Something else that will help speed up your progress. Do not keep any of your exercises. Do not look back at them. Do not compare what you do now to then. We all justify our actions. Good and bad. It's automatic. It will put the brakes on you getting better. Remember what you did right and how you got there. Thinking about what you did right and the actions you took to get there is how you train your brain. And it's scientifically proven to be just as effective as doing the actions.
general non-furry discussion / Re: What Are You Up To?
« Last post by cause the rat on July 19, 2022, 02:44:41 pm »
Finally posted in the art portion of this forum. Hope to continue at least once a week. Probably closer to once a month. On vacation this week. Was planing to go into St. Louis to get something. Figured out it was cheaper to get the stuff shipped than to buy the gas to get there. So the stuff is in the mail. Also went yardsaling over the week end. Spent $5.50 on me and $8.00 on stuff to bring to next year's charity auction at the local furcon.
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