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Title: Are you worried about the Coronavirus?
Post by: Kobuk on February 27, 2020, 06:23:18 pm
As of this posting, at least 95,000+/- people have been infected with the coronavirus around the world. The majority of them primarily being in China. And of that amount being infected, at least 3,000+/- have died. Again, the majority being in China.

How worried are you about this new infection that's being spread around the world? How prepared are you for it?  What are your concerns, questions, fears about this new epidemic?

https://www.cnn.com/2020/02/27/health/coronavirus-community-spread-us-response-explainer/index.html

https://www.cnn.com/2020/02/26/health/how-to-prepare-coronavirus-united-states-explainer/index.html

https://www.cnn.com/2020/02/26/us/coronavirus-us-emergency-preparations/index.html

Title: Re: Are you worried about the Coronavirus?
Post by: cause the rat on February 27, 2020, 06:52:05 pm
So for the virus has the same amount of deaths in elderly and those with pre existing medical conditions as pneumonia. With a survival rate of better than 96%.  It's also got the very same spreadability as any other flue virus. Not knocking the severity of it. Or those who have it and will get it. Just not enjoying the amount of over the top hype some news agencies are using to get ratings. Fox just claimed the coverage is being 'weaponized' to attack trump. Everyone's reporting how many and how fast. No one is reporting survival rate.
Title: Re: Are you worried about the Coronavirus?
Post by: Jade Sinapu on February 27, 2020, 09:43:43 pm
I guess I don't get how corona virus news had anything to do with Trump. 

I worry some because I live with someone with a depressed/ compromised immune system.  I'm afraid I might bring it home to them.
Title: Re: Are you worried about the Coronavirus?
Post by: Kobuk on March 02, 2020, 06:06:13 pm
I guess the 1 or 2 things that bother me about this coronavirus is that I've read a few scattered reports that say about 20,000+/- people have recovered from the virus in China and elsewhere, but nobody is saying how? Everything about the coronavirus in the news is negative. Nothing positive. How did these people recover? What were they doing or taking?

Something else I've never seen the news question and report on is if this coronavirus was something that accidentally or intentionally was released from a bio-warfare lab? Could it be something the military was testing? It's no secret that China, Russia, North Korea, the U.S., and other countries test bio-warfare agents.
Title: Re: Are you worried about the Coronavirus?
Post by: Jade Sinapu on March 03, 2020, 12:14:59 am
 My folks said it was reported to be a swine virus that mutated to affect humans. 

I've also heard that it's very virulent, meaning high 90% chance you will get infected from it, but it is not a serious killer like H1N1flu pandemic.  I guess many who get it, get ill, and then recover naturally through immune system response.

I would check out CDC and other reputable sites.

My work place is requiring all who travel to not go to China,  Japan,  parts of Asia,  parts of Europe,  and to also tell employer if a family member does do that.
My work place even sent out corona virus flyers
Title: Re: Are you worried about the Coronavirus?
Post by: Kobuk on March 03, 2020, 11:11:48 pm
Statistics as of 10pm EST that I read from CNN.

Now let me ask: Does this sound like a pandemic to you? There's at least 8 billion (8,000,000,000) people on Earth. And out of that amount, only 92,000+ have gotten ill from the coronavirus and 3,000+ have died. The regular influenza (Flu) has a much greater chance of being worse than the coronavirus and infecting you and/or killing you. We are far, far away from the coronavirus being classified as a pandemic.

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At least 3,200 people around the world have died from coronavirus and 92,862 have been infected.

In China, another 38 people died as of the end of Tuesday, bringing the death toll in mainland China to 2,981, according to China’s National Health Commission (NHC).

Of the 38 people who died, 37 were in Hubei province, where the outbreak began

Confirmed cases in mainland China increased by 119, as of the end of Tuesday, with 115 in Hubei.

In total, 80,270 people have been infected with coronavirus in mainland China since the start of the outbreak. According to the NHC, a total of 49,856 patients have recovered and been discharged from hospital.

A total of 219 deaths have been recorded outside mainland China.

Here's the breakdown:

    Italy: 79
    Iran: 77
    South Korea: 32
    Japan: 12
    United States: 9
    France: 4
    Hong Kong: 2
    Taiwan: 1
    Australia: 1
    Thailand: 1
    Philippines: 1


In the U.S. -

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Nine people have died from coronavirus in the United States and 125 have been infected, according to authorities.

Those include 48 cases from repatriated citizens, according to the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC).

The other 77 cases are spread across 13 states. 

These numbers include presumptive positive cases that tested positive in a public health lab and are pending confirmation from the CDC, and confirmed cases that have received positive results from the CDC.

Here's a state-by-state breakdown:

    Arizona: 2
    California: 26
    Florida: 3
    Georgia: 2
    Illinois: 4
    Massachusetts: 2
    New Hampshire: 2
    New York: 2
    North Carolina: 1
    Oregon: 3
    Rhode Island: 2
    Washington state: 27 (includes 9 deaths)
    Wisconsin: 1

And here's where the repatriated cases came from:

    Diamond Princess cruise ship: 45
    Wuhan, China: 3
Title: Re: Are you worried about the Coronavirus?
Post by: Jade Sinapu on March 04, 2020, 08:28:10 pm
 I've heard from a coworker that someone connected to the high School here in my town, has corona virus.  But that is unconfirmed.
Title: Re: Are you worried about the Coronavirus?
Post by: Kobuk on March 05, 2020, 11:18:20 pm
This is what I was afraid of. It likely all started in a Chinese animal food market. The Chinese need to ban such markets. But I doubt it will be easy or have much effect. It could do more harm than good as I fear it would just lead to people dealing more in lucrative and secret "black market" trade/business.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/05/asia/china-coronavirus-wildlife-consumption-ban-intl-hnk/index.html
Title: Re: Are you worried about the Coronavirus?
Post by: Jade Sinapu on March 08, 2020, 12:23:40 am
Colorado now has about 13 cases...Reported on Colorado Springs news.  Most unconfirmed, but very likely COVID19.
No deaths reported.
Title: Re: Are you worried about the Coronavirus?
Post by: Kobuk on March 10, 2020, 07:09:12 pm
Not even furry conventions are immune to the coronavirus.  :o Here's what Anthrocon had to say on it's website.
https://www.anthrocon.org/news/covid-19

I can't help but wonder how many other furry cons will either postpone or cancel their conventions?
Title: Re: Are you worried about the Coronavirus?
Post by: Kobuk on March 12, 2020, 10:33:38 pm
I've been doing grocery shopping the last few days to try and stock up on supplies. Not in a panic mode and hoarding stuff, but rather just getting a few extra essentials "just in case". Here's what I've seen so far in stores.

Disinfectant sprays and cleaners - Pretty much all gone. Good luck getting any. You'll need a miracle.

Hand sanitizer - You'd need a miracle for this one. Not gonna happen.  :P

Bar soap - Slight increase in buying, but not that much.

Liquid hand soap - Increased buying of this, particuarly if it says "anti-bacterial" on the bottle.

Bleach - Buying frenzy on this. Good luck getting any for laundry purposes.

Face masks - You'd need a miracle finding any.  :P

Latex gloves or other medical type gloves - Increased buying of this.

Toilet paper - Buying frenzy on this.

Aspirin, Cold/Flu medications, and other over the counter medications - I haven't been paying much attention to this. I suppose there is increased buying. But a lot of over the counter medicines and medications will NOT prevent/stop the coronavirus.

Bottled water - Slight increase.

Mini travel size packages of hand sanitizer and disinfecting wipes, etc. - Good luck finding any. These are going really fast.

Food - I'm not sure what is and isn't selling fast. Non-perishable food items like soups for instance may be a necessity. If people find themselves quarantined at home for 2-3 weeks, it may be a good idea to stock up on 2-3 weeks worth of food just in case. Try to buy boxes or packages of food items that will make a lot so that you have leftovers for a few days afterward.
Title: Re: Are you worried about the Coronavirus?
Post by: Jade Sinapu on March 13, 2020, 12:18:20 am
 Why is toilet paper being bought for a respiratory virus? Are people expecting to cough so much they need a change of underwear?
Title: Re: Are you worried about the Coronavirus?
Post by: Amducious on March 13, 2020, 03:27:50 am
Why is toilet paper being bought for a respiratory virus? Are people expecting to cough so much they need a change of underwear?

More or less people preparing if they have to be quarantined for 2-3weeks and can't leave there house. That's all I can see it as. It's also a bit stupid with all this panic buying.
Title: Re: Are you worried about the Coronavirus?
Post by: Kobuk on March 13, 2020, 10:13:18 am
Went to Wal-Mart this morning. Soups and paper towels were getting wiped out. Even the instant ramen too. But the thing about paper towels is that they are not flushable the way toilet paper is. You can't and shouldn't use it as a substitute for toilet paper otherwise it will clog up your toilet.
But are people listening? Nope. Goes in one ear and comes out the other.  :P Stupid.
Title: Re: Are you worried about the Coronavirus?
Post by: cause the rat on March 13, 2020, 02:31:39 pm
Just like a flu. If your healthy don't worry about it.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/12/health/coronavirus-survivor-elizabeth-schneider/index.html (https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/12/health/coronavirus-survivor-elizabeth-schneider/index.html)

Moe and more people are coming forward and telling what it's like to have this. 
Title: Re: Are you worried about the Coronavirus?
Post by: Jade Sinapu on March 13, 2020, 11:25:42 pm
 I'm glad this woman came out ok.
But 103F fever is nothing to sneeze at. It is considered high grade fever. 
108F is where brain damage happens. 
I Used to have a neighbor who was in her 70's who got scarlet fever as a teenager and became deaf from the fever she got.  Her fever was 105F.what is typical accuracy of a household thermometer? 1 degree F?
I don't want to chance getting maimed by high fever.

When I was a teenager I had the flu and a high grade fever.  I then came down with joint issues which never left me. 

I would rather avoid this one,  and get a vaccine if it becomes available.

Every body is different,  and since my body hasn't gotten this germ before,  I do not know how I will respond to it. Besides I do not have time off from work to cover 2 weeks recovery.  Maybe 1 week.

I will try to not panic and hope for the best.  Because I bet I will get it.

Not everyone who encounters a germ survives,  most do.  But a fever is a sure sign a fight for your life is taking place in your body, a war is being waged and your life is the price of failure.
It's a miracle we can get a high fever that kills germs without cooking our body till we get brain damage.

Miracles seldom visit me.

But still, this lady survived.... so maybe I can too.

Title: Re: Are you worried about the Coronavirus?
Post by: Storm Fox on March 14, 2020, 07:49:01 pm
Not worried about some virus, rather I'm more concerned about dealing with stupid people.

I mean come on, the news media is near criminally irresponsible. Showing empty store shelves and scarring people with apocalyptic predictions.
The stores are not out of anything. Walmart and most major chain grocery stores restock every night.
My local grocery store does the same. Toilet paper, bottled water, lysol, or whatever is there in the morning. But by noon its all gone again. They don't restock during the day because they don't want to be bothered by crazy people.
Not restocking also creates artificial scarcity, which is good for business as concerned people buy other things.

Now if we could figure out how to mutate the virus to only target the dumb people, all our problems would be solved.
Title: Re: Are you worried about the Coronavirus?
Post by: cause the rat on March 14, 2020, 10:15:36 pm
According to the American medical journal between 22000 to 55000 people die of the flue each year. Get it and get over it.

Storm, ya our local walmarts is the same. As with the rest of the stores around here. I have 18 rolls of TP in the house. That'll last me till mid May. No clue as to why people think they need 100+ rolls. Hoping Walmarts quads the price. Let em pay four times as much for being morons.
Title: Re: Are you worried about the Coronavirus?
Post by: Kobuk on March 14, 2020, 10:42:03 pm
It's not necessarily the virus I'm scared of (Well, I am a bit.), but rather what comes next.  :o  Fighting, riots, looting, stealing and robberies, stupid jerks with guns, and worst case scenario..........martial law.

I'd be lying if I said I wasn't scared of what's going on right now in the world. And you can't tell me that other people aren't a little worried, concerned, or scared too. Some people might try to put on a brave face and say they aren't worried. But deep down inside, everyone is feeling a bit scared, whether it's a large or tiny amount.

Nobody knows for sure how long this coronavirus pandemic will last. All of society has changed due to this virus outbreak. Sports, Entertainment, School, Travel, and so much more. We can't do things like we used to anymore until we get this outbreak under control........if we can.

Viruses can do whatever they want, whenever they want, and however they want.
Viruses do not obey rules, laws, restrictions, or regulations.
Viruses are immune to borders.
Viruses can mutate at any time.
Viruses can come during any day, week, month, year, or season.
Viruses do not discriminate between the young, old, male, female, Nationality, or any other demographic.
Viruses can and will kill.

I get tired of hearing people say the media is all to blame for the fear and panic going about.  >:( That certainly is not true. Yes, the media is PARTLY to blame. But the average ordinary public is just as much, if not more, to blame for the mass hysteria as the news media.
When you've got people who get so much information about the coronavirus from so many sources, sometimes it can be difficult to know what is fact vs. what is fiction. When people don't have reliable sources of info. and don't know what to do and so forth, that creates fear and confusion.

So it's not necessarily the media like CNN, FOX, MSNBC, and other media outlets that's to blame for all the panic.
It can also be, but not limited to:
YouTube
The Dark Web
Facebook
Twitter
Reddit
Federal agencies
Hospitals
Neighbors
Friends
Family
Politicians
Magazines
Books
Newspapers
Radio
.......and worst of all, conspiracy theorists.  >:(

You can't pin the blame on any single one group, person, or organization. EVERYBODY IS TO BLAME.

As for panic buying, I'm seeing stores run out of everything. Entire food aisles empty.


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Now if we could figure out how to mutate the virus to only target the dumb people, all our problems would be solved.

The world might have run out of common sense. But there's an amply supply of stupidity.
Title: Re: Are you worried about the Coronavirus?
Post by: Jade Sinapu on March 14, 2020, 10:53:14 pm
According to the American medical journal between 22000 to 55000 people die of the flue each year. Get it and get over it.

Storm, ya our local walmarts is the same. As with the rest of the stores around here. I have 18 rolls of TP in the house. That'll last me till mid May. No clue as to why people think they need 100+ rolls. Hoping Walmarts quads the price. Let em pay four times as much for being morons.

Let's just hope none of us or the ones we love are the 22,000 this year who die from a virus.
Too bad it's just hope. 
I'll put more stock in science and protecting myself , not hope. 
Title: Re: Are you worried about the Coronavirus?
Post by: Kobuk on March 14, 2020, 11:11:21 pm
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China's decrease in death toll and new cases continues

From CNN’s Shanshan Wang in Beijing


China confirmed 20 new cases and 10 deaths today -- a slight uptick from the previous few days, but still consistent with a general downward trend this week.

The new numbers bring the country's total to 80,844 cases and 3,199 deaths, according to the National Health Commission.

Of these total cases, 66,911 patients have recovered and been discharged from hospital, said the NHC.

The past few days have seen falling numbers of daily new cases -- down to a dozen or so, compared to just a few weeks ago, when country reported thousands of new cases a day.

Maybe there's some good news after all? If China's cases can come down, then maybe the U.S. and the rest of the world can too? But only if America and the rest of the world can be as tough and proactive as what China has been in combatting the coronavirus.
Title: Re: Are you worried about the Coronavirus?
Post by: Kobuk on March 16, 2020, 02:49:03 pm
A few things that really have me worried right now is:
Public transit such as buses for example.
Mail service
Banks

I'm most particuarly worried about buses and banks. I can't own and drive a car due to bad eyesight. So I depend on the bus to get around. Particuarly to the grocery store. If the buses stop running, I'm screwed.  x_x
Banks are another issue. How are people supposed get get money if the banks are closed?
Title: Re: Are you worried about the Coronavirus?
Post by: Amducious on March 16, 2020, 06:38:00 pm
Courthouses might be next. My second job got shutdown since it's a non-essential business.Sucks but luckily my other job doesn't plan on shutting  down anytime soon
Title: Re: Are you worried about the Coronavirus?
Post by: Kobuk on March 16, 2020, 07:38:20 pm
Courthouses might be next. My second job got shutdown since it's a non-essential business.Sucks but luckily my other job doesn't plan on shutting  down anytime soon

Courthouses ALREADY are next. I've read a lot of news reports of courthouses being closed and cases being postponed to later dates.


P.S. - Kobuk's Cafe in Furtopia City will be reducing hours of operation to 9am to 5pm. Also dining-in option will no longer be available. We also have no delivery service as we are too small a business. But we will offer take-out as an option.
Title: Re: Are you worried about the Coronavirus?
Post by: Kobuk on March 19, 2020, 11:02:42 pm
Website for finding the latest statistics on the coronavirus.
https://www.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6

I should have made the poll so that members could change their votes if they wanted to. Too late now. :(  I voted I was a little worried about this virus when I originally created this poll/thread. But now after a few weeks, I am considerably worried.  :'(
Title: Re: Are you worried about the Coronavirus?
Post by: Iara Warriorfeather on March 20, 2020, 01:13:58 am
Hey everyone,

I am very worried about this virus--the people I am living with are sick, including a little one who is to turn 4 years old July.

I have asthma and I am very worried if I contract COVID I might be hospitalized or worse...

And now...CA is in lockdown so when things get nasty with fights at home I have nowhere to go and I just have to suffer through it...this is hell.  :'(
Title: Re: Are you worried about the Coronavirus?
Post by: cause the rat on March 20, 2020, 04:57:47 am
Still not worried about getting it myself. But there are folks I know that wouldn't fair as well.

 Iara, hang in there. It's normal for families to get a bit frustrated under the  hood when everyone feels helpless. Best to go out of your way to do something good for everyone around you.
Title: Re: Are you worried about the Coronavirus?
Post by: Kobuk on March 20, 2020, 03:08:49 pm
A few bits of random advice from your neighborly green and white husky. :)

As I have previously said in a past post, people may wish to stock up and make food items that will make/feed a lot. This way, you can have leftovers for multiple days afterward. You may also be able to freeze leftover portions for long periods of time depending on what type of food product it is.

What are some sample food items you should check out at the store? Here's a article/list by CNN of some items that may be beneficial.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/17/health/coronavirus-quarantine-grocery-list-drayer-wellness/index.html

If popular name brand items are limited at the store, take what you can get, even if it means buying generic. As the old saying goes, Beggars can't be choosers. 

Sometimes, we get stuff that we may not like or want. Particuarly if you're getting items from a food bank service. Don't get rid of it, but find creative ways to use it. Find different ways of preparing food items and/or look for recipes to make that item or items more pleasing to the palette. ;)

Just how much toilet paper does a person need? Hard to say for sure since not all rolls of TP are created equal nor is every person the same. I live alone by myself and currently have 30 rolls of TP. That is NOT an excessive amount when compared to what other people have been buying. Depending on how thick the roll is, How many times I use the toilet, and whether I need to rip off a short amount of TP sheets or a long amount, I can "probably" make 1 roll last a full week or slightly longer.

Rationing is key on almost anything. Don't overbuy or overuse during this crisis.

Don't take too much money out of the bank for food, etc. You still need to save money for rent, utility bills, and other important payments.

And when it comes to money.........SAVE! We are now in a recession, folks. And it is going to get even more brutal during the next several months as the economy is "tanking" right now.

Luxury items like new cellphone, new clothes, new dishwasher, or anything else won't help you during a pandemic, recession, etc. Learn to keep using what you've got and stick with it. Your jeans have a hole in them? Learn to sew it up. Don't go and buy a new pair. Dishwasher not working properly? Then learn to wash dishes by hand. Learn to reuse and recycle, folks.

Title: Re: Are you worried about the Coronavirus?
Post by: Rocket T. Coyote on March 21, 2020, 02:14:05 pm
A local tennis center was shut down a few days after I made a routine visit. A local doctor who tested positive had visited the place. He recovered within a week. A bottle of hand sanitizer was added to my field kit. We are told to stay home should we exhibit symptoms but I'm experiencing seasonal allergies. Schools, churches and casinos are closed until April 5th here, so reduced traffic to a small degree. Chemical plant people still going full throttle it seems.

I blame Doomsday Preppers for the TP shortage. There was a dude holed up in an ex-phone company relay station. A sweet set-up with security cameras and barbed wire fencing. His supplies included a large quantity of TP. Why? "It's the one thing that everybody needs." he said.

Good grief. Does he think that's going to be the new currency for when SHTF? People wipe with corn cobs in some communities after all. Firearms and ammo sales are up again. One guy was reported to have bought $5000 in guns, ammo, and outdoor gear at the local Cabelas--and they had yet to tally the second cart load.

Title: Re: Are you worried about the Coronavirus?
Post by: Jade Sinapu on March 21, 2020, 04:09:41 pm
A pair of washable long latex gloves,  a nice soft cotton washcloth, and a bit of chlorine bleach.  Use potty,  wipe down your rump,  clean cloth with bleach... rinse with hot water,  let dry. 
I've done this before... works well,  and surprisingly doesn't really smell except for when you are washing out the cloth.   :-[

And if you don't have the virus this isn't all that unsanitary.  Periodically so a load of wash with hot water and clean "the rag" and follow with scorching hot drier cycle.  Done.

It's like wiping my dogs butt after she got sick. No big deal.  Re useable. Saves trees. Come on... everyone goes,  why not just be
An animal and get weird.

Everyone had their own butt rag,  as my dear departed granny used to say.  She grew up in a rural area of Texas,  and survived the 1917 flu pandemic and the great dust bowl and WW2 etc.  I am starting to see the deep wisdom of her "weird ways". She always saved plastic bags,  and she always found uses for them too.   I'm glad to have grown up a little odd like her.

Learn to make bread... Use Causes' recipes here.

Like kobuk said, sew. Don't buy much new materialistic things. Repurpose things.  Don't be afraid to buy what you need, but only but what you need.

And please don't be the doomsday guy/ gal.  Makes America weak by hurting others.

That doomsday guy may die with 100 rolls of the best white gold.  But I have my butt rag.  :-[

Title: Re: Are you worried about the Coronavirus?
Post by: Kobuk on March 22, 2020, 11:59:43 am
There are two main things that are making me mad about this whole coronavirus situation.  :goldpissed:

One is the fact that President Trump and/or his administration has consistantly "fumbled the ball" so to speak at every opportunity to combat this virus. Every time I read the news, it's like him and the rest of his administration are stalling on providing help to the American people. I'm not going to go into details. I think Old Rabbit is doing enough already by discussing in his other political thread about the situation.

Second, I'm sick and tired of all the conspiracy theories being spread about concerning the virus.  :goldpissed: :goldpissed: :goldpissed:
QUOTE:  "The best defense against fearing what you do not understand is knowledge. Educate yourself. The more you know, the better informed and wiser you’ll be."

Conspiracy theories are NOT knowledge! All they do is promote fear, panic, and hysteria. REAL knowledge about coronavirus comes from the CDC, WHO, your doctor, and any other OFFICIAL medical sources.
Title: Re: Are you worried about the Coronavirus?
Post by: Jade Sinapu on March 27, 2020, 09:44:49 pm
I have been watching the statistics of this virus.   It does alarm me a bit. 

Doing my best to actively avoid it.  My job requires me to keep working and traveling.  So that is a bummer.   Got food so should be ok for a bit like maybe a month if i ration it out.

The virus seems so random as to who gets it and how bad.  Even the symptoms one gets seems to be varied.  Loss of smell,  headache,  fever or not,  chills or not,  gi upset or not... very hard to pinpoint textbook symptoms.  Essentially testing is only proof you have it.  Some are asymptomatic, others fall ill in 2 to 3 days.
Because of its Trump like unpredictability,  the virus has me worried because I naturally want to understand things to a certain level.

I hear people coughing a wet labored cough at work and I feel like I'm doomed and I want to burst out yelling,  "hey dumb butt go home,  you may kill my parents! And I don't want to be the one to bring death to them!"
I think I will be fine.  Maybe.  But my parents.... not so sure.

From what I can see in the data, America is on part with Italy in terms of learning to control this virus and or lack of responsiveness.  We are not doing what's right.   People here are still driving to places as they feel.

I have papers that I carry with me to prove I need to travel.  Else I don't travel.

I'm doing my part,  but what the heck is going on in New York?? Is that just the populatuon density in the cities causing most of the problem? Is it the fact that they all use mass transit? Idk. I don't really know.  I've never been there.

Title: Re: Are you worried about the Coronavirus?
Post by: Jade Sinapu on March 31, 2020, 09:47:24 pm
 Data shows USA recovering at a steeper rate than others. We may claim most confirmed cases, more than China,  but our deaths are lower than Italy.  And what's more, social distancing is flattening the curve right now,  so it is working!
Keep your hide, stay inside!
Title: Re: Are you worried about the Coronavirus?
Post by: Kobuk on April 01, 2020, 10:38:08 am
Some links that should help people in these troubling Covid-19 times.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/01/politics/stimulus-money-distribution-individuals/index.html

https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/11/health/coronavirus-cold-allergies-flu-difference-symptoms-wellness-trnd/index.html

https://www.irs.gov/newsroom/economic-impact-payments-what-you-need-to-know

https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/27/politics/stimulus-check-calculator/index.html

https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/28/politics/stimulus-check-scams/index.html

https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/29/politics/treasury-secretary-steve-mnuchin-stimulus-checks/index.html

https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/31/health/coronavirus-masks-experts-debate/index.html

https://www.cnn.com/videos/health/2020/03/31/when-to-wear-masks-gupta-tsr-vpx.cnn

https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/31/health/what-is-coronavirus-covid-19-wellness/index.html

https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/22/success/cannot-pay-bills-coronavirus/index.html

https://www.cnn.com/interactive/2020/03/health/coronavirus-tipsheets/coronavirus-proof-your-home/index.html

https://www.cnn.com/videos/health/2020/03/26/coronavirus-covid-19-food-grocery-delivery-safety-tips-orig.cnn

https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/28/media/information-coronavirus-reliable-sources/index.html

https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/26/health/immunity-exercise-sleep-meditation-stress-coronavirus-drayer-wellness/index.html

https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/17/health/coronavirus-quarantine-grocery-list-drayer-wellness/index.html


Any other advice I can give right now is:

a) If you have to work from home for any reason, then keep your computer, cellphone, etc. up to date with anti-virus and other computer updates. When working from home (or doing other non-work stuff), you may be sharing lots of information about people, places, and things. Be careful what you do and where you go on the Net.

b) It's obvious that people have been panic buying stuff in stores and hoarding due to the coronavirus which is not a good thing.  >:( How this will affect food production, prices, farming, and grocery shopping in the long term is unknown. Already, there are limits in some stores about how much a person can buy. As the weather eventually gets better, some people may wish to start growing gardens and planting their own food crops to sustain themselves. This will cut down on money you have to spend at the grocery store which may be needed for other things. People were growing "Victory Gardens" back in World War 2 to sustain themselves and the troops. We may need to do that again if this coronavirus pandemic has any sort of long term effect on food production. Also learn how to can, freeze, and dehydrate various food items. ;)

Title: Re: Are you worried about the Coronavirus?
Post by: Firelight on April 01, 2020, 06:25:38 pm
I'm not worried about the virus my immune system is too strong but I fear humanity more than anything. But I also see this as a good study on human behavior.
If a zombie Apocalypse happens dad and I will know what to go for first then go for everything else then get the hell out dodge as my mom puts it.  And yes we'ere having trouble stocking up on TP because the stores are having trouble, no hand soap either. Good thing we got napkins if we run out of tp.
Title: Re: Are you worried about the Coronavirus?
Post by: Kobuk on April 01, 2020, 08:51:41 pm
I'm not worried about the virus my immune system is too strong
^ What?  :o Yeah, I hear a lot of people saying that.......until they end up sick at home, or have been tested for coronavirus, or in a hospital on a ventilator.  :P Nobody is 100% immune to anything. We all get sick from something.

....but I fear humanity more than anything. But I also see this as a good study on human behavior.

If a zombie Apocalypse happens dad and I will know what to go for first then go for everything else then get the hell out dodge as my mom puts it.
^ What zombie apocolypse? That only happens in the movies. There's no such thing as zombies.  :P

And yes we'ere having trouble stocking up on TP because the stores are having trouble, no hand soap either. Good thing we got napkins if we run out of tp.
You can't and shouldn't use napkins as TP. They have about the same consistency as paper towels and are not flushable down the toilet. You might have to resort to using kleenex if you don't have enough TP. You're going to have to look everywhere you can for TP. Walmart, Target, Convenience stores, gas stations, Shop online, Aldi, Dollar Stores, etc. You may even have to travel further distances from your home to find what you need and/or travel to stores at various times of the day. As for soap, soap is soap. Doesn't matter if it's bar soap or the liquid hand soap. Find and buy whatever you have to to wash your hands.
Title: Re: Are you worried about the Coronavirus?
Post by: Kobuk on April 01, 2020, 09:05:51 pm
A couple more links.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/01/politics/health-insurance-job-us-unemployment/index.html

https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/01/business/food-supply-chains-coronavirus/index.html

https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/05/health/epa-disinfectants-coronavirus-trnd/index.html

https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/01/politics/stimulus-money-distribution-individuals/index.html

Title: Re: Are you worried about the Coronavirus?
Post by: Kay Alett on April 01, 2020, 11:05:35 pm
I'm not worried about the virus my immune system is too strong

Not to bust your bubble there friend but a strong immune system can also kill you because it overreacts to threats. You don't want your system to go crazy over the virus and start attacking even healthy cells because that's even worse for you than the virus.

I'm with Kobuk, no one is fully immune and you shouldn't believe yourself untouchable because you think your immune system can handle it and you certainly shouldn't believe in your system to the degree that you recklessly go out in public needlessly. That's just crazy plus that kind of mindset can give you tunnel vision where you think mostly of your own self and safety and it doesn't enter into your mind that you could potentially be carrying the virus on you and exposing others to it.

I guess what I'm saying is, even if you think you're going ot be fine because you believe in your immune system, it's no reason or excuse to disregard the procedures.
Title: Re: Are you worried about the Coronavirus?
Post by: Amducious on April 02, 2020, 02:09:54 am
Just chillin over here doin my best to stay healthy. Other work shutdown (Bowling alley), and my other work is considered essential (food industry). I come in contact with close to 100-300 people in the span of 2-4 hours on a normal day at work. My hours have been cut but our CEO is very nice and cares about us. So whatever our average weekly hours were we get paid. Even if we only worked 5 hours that week we still get paid as if we worked 30.(plus bonus check)

I'm not worried. I quit reading the news after awhile because I know that it's all bad, it just makes me more depressed and anxious . I just like to live in the now. If things get worse. I will continue to live as if it was my last.
Title: Re: Are you worried about the Coronavirus?
Post by: Kobuk on April 02, 2020, 12:10:30 pm
A few more helpful links. Please read. ;)

https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/02/politics/unemployment-benefits-federal-stimulus-us-economy/index.html

https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/02/health/aerosol-coronavirus-spread-white-house-letter/index.html

https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/01/politics/social-security-stimulus-payments/index.html

https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/31/health/coronavirus-symptoms-list-what-to-do-wellness/index.html

Title: Re: Are you worried about the Coronavirus?
Post by: Jade Sinapu on April 03, 2020, 12:21:21 am
 Great... it's able to be spread by just breathing... coughing not needed... just great.
Title: Re: Are you worried about the Coronavirus?
Post by: Kobuk on April 03, 2020, 12:47:41 pm
Great... it's able to be spread by just breathing... coughing not needed... just great.

Seems like every time I wake up in the morning and read the news, the reports keep changing from one thing to another. Does it do this or does it do that? Same thing goes for face masks. Should people wear them or not?
When it comes to face masks, I'm starting to be of the opinion that people should just wear them. Period. Doesn't matter if you are sick or not.

And if you don't have a face mask to wear, then you can substitute a bandana or scarf. Just make sure to wash them every day if possible.

A few more links for today:

https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/03/us/face-masks-health-experts-guidance-trnd/index.html

https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/03/politics/student-loan-debt-suspension-economy/index.html

https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/02/health/how-to-stop-touching-your-face-wellness/index.html

And for anybody who is smoking right now, you may wish to stop. Read the following.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/03/health/coronavirus-quitting-smoking-wellness/index.html
Title: Re: Are you worried about the Coronavirus?
Post by: Kobuk on April 04, 2020, 11:26:02 am
Today's links to read.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/04/health/recovery-coronavirus-tracking-data-explainer/index.html

https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/04/health/how-to-make-your-own-mask-wellness-trnd/index.html

https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/19/health/coronavirus-cabin-fever-definition-quarantine-wellness/index.html


Tracking coronavirus. Three links to track the virus in cities, states, and countries.

https://www.cnn.com/interactive/2020/health/coronavirus-us-maps-and-cases/

https://www.cnn.com/interactive/2020/health/coronavirus-maps-and-cases/

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html

Wouldn't it be nice if all the fursuit makers all over the world stopped making fursuit parts and full fursuits, and instead started making masks for people to wear during this coronavirus pandemic?
Title: Re: Are you worried about the Coronavirus?
Post by: Jade Sinapu on April 04, 2020, 07:33:49 pm
I've been making a few masks here.  But not "furry"
Title: Re: Are you worried about the Coronavirus?
Post by: Kobuk on April 10, 2020, 10:36:43 pm
Another link about the coronavirus stimulus payments.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/10/politics/stimulus-check-free-tax-filing/index.html

People may also want to check the main IRS government website too for how and when to get stimulus checks.

If and when I get mine, I won't be using it for anything foolish. No "luxury" items so to speak. Will save as much as I can for future bills and "preparedness". God only knows how long this coronavirus will last and affect daily life.  :P
Title: Re: Are you worried about the Coronavirus?
Post by: BlueStreak on April 13, 2020, 10:14:41 am
I'm mostly worried for the health of my parents and grandmother. My parents are on the borderline for risk groups, but my grandmother is pretty much the epitome of high risk. They're all taking the necessary precautions, but I just worry that somebody's gonna be stupid and get one of them ill.

I checked this morning; no federal deposit for me yet. It's just gonna be dumped in savings when I get it, but I might use a little sliver of it to fund a slipcover for my couch.
Title: Re: Are you worried about the Coronavirus?
Post by: Kobuk on April 16, 2020, 08:09:59 pm
Think you'll be getting a stimulus check? Think again. It might not happen.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/16/politics/why-didnt-i-get-my-stimulus-money/index.html

https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/15/politics/stimulus-payments-debt-collectors/index.html


In other news..........

https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/16/health/foods-boost-mood-diet-drayer-wellness/index.html

https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/16/health/underlying-condition-coronavirus-list-wellness/index.html

https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/16/success/cant-pay-rent-bills-help-coronavirus/index.html

https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/16/politics/unemployment-benefits-what-you-need-to-know/index.html
Title: Re: Are you worried about the Coronavirus?
Post by: Kobuk on April 24, 2020, 02:38:22 pm
Dollars $$ vs. Death  x_x. Which do you want?

I'm not good with economics, so I'll try and make this as short and simple as I can. But it sure as hell won't be sweet.
I've been reading and hearing news stories about how cities, states, etc. want businesses and the entire U.S. economy re-opened during this coronavirus pandemic. Businesses are losing money, people are losing jobs, etc., etc., etc.
So let me say this:
You can't run a business if you're on a ventilator in a hospital.
You can't run a business if you're six feet under in a coffin.
And you're not going to have much, if any, customers if you (or others) make people sick with the coronavirus by getting together and not following safe guidelines.
All you'll end up doing in the long run is continuing to spread the virus thereby making more people sick. And worst of all, you'll be doing a disservice and dishonoring the medical and other emergency personnel who are trying valiantly to save your sorry butt and the lives of your friends, neighbors, and other family members. So quit your crybaby whining and belly aching and follow your city, state, and Fed. guidelines for staying safe at home! I sympathize. I really do. I'd like to see businesses and the economy opened just as much as the next person. But I'm not going to risk my health or the health of others to do so.
Title: Re: Are you worried about the Coronavirus?
Post by: cause the rat on April 24, 2020, 03:00:40 pm
I'm more worried about stupid Americans. President Trump just said injecting sanitizer is a cure.  Once injected the agent will do damage for hours before it even starts to be expelled from the body. That's only if the kidneys haven't already been shut down. It's a very long and painful death. The best an injector could hope for is to pass out and die in their sleep. Survivors will spend the rest of their lives dealing with internal damage. This is no joke.

There is no difference between killing someone and telling someone to do something that will kill them. In the end it's still murder.
Title: Re: Are you worried about the Coronavirus?
Post by: Kobuk on April 24, 2020, 06:39:18 pm
I'm more worried about stupid Americans. President Trump just said injecting sanitizer is a cure.  Once injected the agent will do damage for hours before it even starts to be expelled from the body. That's only if the kidneys haven't already been shut down. It's a very long and painful death. The best an injector could hope for is to pass out and die in their sleep. Survivors will spend the rest of their lives dealing with internal damage. This is no joke.

Well, it's not sanitizer really. It was more bleach and other disinfectants. But........I don't doubt some people will try sanitizer.  :P

There is no difference between killing someone and telling someone to do something that will kill them. In the end it's still murder.

Good luck to anybody who tries to make murder stick to Trump. Trump would just spin doctor it so many ways and say he was just joking or being sarcastic.  :P
Title: Re: Are you worried about the Coronavirus?
Post by: cause the rat on April 25, 2020, 07:25:51 am
Kobuk, I"m talking about the chemical that's in hand sanitizer. It's the same chemical that's in everything from mouthwash to hygiene products. it's safe as long as it's not internal. And only safe when diluted. It will cause chemical burns. Once internal it will burn everything it touches.

Yep. trump is already lying about this. 
Title: Re: Are you worried about the Coronavirus?
Post by: Kobuk on June 07, 2020, 01:17:07 pm
Coronavirus has hit employment pretty bad. But, there is some good news.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/06/economy/jobs-restaurants-construction-dentists/index.html
Title: Re: Are you worried about the Coronavirus?
Post by: Kobuk on July 06, 2020, 08:12:39 pm
I'm sure a lot of furry cons have been canceled due to the coronavirus. But just out of curiosity, does anybody know of any furs/fursuiters that have come down sick with it.......or passed away?
Title: Re: Are you worried about the Coronavirus?
Post by: cause the rat on July 07, 2020, 01:30:59 am
Being a gray muzzle this is a real concern of mine. As of now I haven't heard of any. Wondering if anyone who attended Furry Fiesta got it. Holding that con was about as dumb as most things they do in Texas.
Title: Re: Are you worried about the Coronavirus?
Post by: Kobuk on July 07, 2020, 10:33:40 am
Being a gray muzzle this is a real concern of mine. As of now I haven't heard of any. Wondering if anyone who attended Furry Fiesta got it. Holding that con was about as dumb as most things they do in Texas.

They actually held that con?  :o  *shakes head*  Stupid. Just stupid.  :P
Title: Re: Are you worried about the Coronavirus?
Post by: BlueStreak on July 07, 2020, 02:22:42 pm
Being a gray muzzle this is a real concern of mine. As of now I haven't heard of any. Wondering if anyone who attended Furry Fiesta got it. Holding that con was about as dumb as most things they do in Texas.

They actually held that con?  :o  *shakes head*  Stupid. Just stupid.  :P
It was held at the end of February, so I don't think we'd quite gotten a grasp on what we were dealing with yet.

Per sources I've spoken to revolving around the con organizing space, we shouldn't realistically expect any cons to return until Spring of next year. They're pretty much the antithesis of social distancing, and I don't think I'd want to go to one that was designed with that in mind anyway.
Title: Re: Are you worried about the Coronavirus?
Post by: Kobuk on July 07, 2020, 02:48:20 pm
Being a gray muzzle this is a real concern of mine. As of now I haven't heard of any. Wondering if anyone who attended Furry Fiesta got it. Holding that con was about as dumb as most things they do in Texas.

They actually held that con?  :o  *shakes head*  Stupid. Just stupid.  :P
It was held at the end of February, so I don't think we'd quite gotten a grasp on what we were dealing with yet.

Per sources I've spoken to revolving around the con organizing space, we shouldn't realistically expect any cons to return until Spring of next year. They're pretty much the antithesis of social distancing, and I don't think I'd want to go to one that was designed with that in mind anyway.

Practically every model contest that I've wanted to go to this year has been canceled.  :'( Except for one which was on March 7th earlier. I know there's two more coming up in October, but I'm not holding my breath for them to stay open. They'll probably cancel as well. :(
Title: Re: Are you worried about the Coronavirus?
Post by: Kobuk on July 09, 2020, 08:27:39 pm
You may wish to check your hand sanitizer bottles. The FDA has issued several recalls, etc.  :o

https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/09/health/hand-sanitizer-methanol-fda-trnd/index.html

https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/07/us/fda-hand-sanitizer-trnd/index.html

https://www.fda.gov/drugs/drug-safety-and-availability/fda-updates-hand-sanitizers-methanol

https://www.insider.com/every-hand-sanitizer-fda-flagged-as-dangerous-deadly-2020-7

Better to use Germ-X, Purell, or some other brand.
Title: Re: Are you worried about the Coronavirus?
Post by: Firelight on September 25, 2020, 09:46:49 pm
I'm not worried about the virus my immune system is too strong

Not to bust your bubble there friend but a strong immune system can also kill you because it overreacts to threats. You don't want your system to go crazy over the virus and start attacking even healthy cells because that's even worse for you than the virus.

I'm with Kobuk, no one is fully immune and you shouldn't believe yourself untouchable because you think your immune system can handle it and you certainly shouldn't believe in your system to the degree that you recklessly go out in public needlessly. That's just crazy plus that kind of mindset can give you tunnel vision where you think mostly of your own self and safety and it doesn't enter into your mind that you could potentially be carrying the virus on you and exposing others to it.

I guess what I'm saying is, even if you think you're going ot be fine because you believe in your immune system, it's no reason or excuse to disregard the procedures.

During cold and flu season I'm not effected I rarely ever get ill, I'm serious.  If I do, it's not bad it's gone by a week and generally my cough is gone after another week. The soar throat is murder though. And don't worry I stay home and sleep. It's all I want to do anyway when ill  :D
Title: Re: Are you worried about the Coronavirus?
Post by: cause the rat on September 26, 2020, 01:14:23 am
Your immune system only works on what it recognizes as a foreign object in your body. Unfortunately your body will not recognize this virus as a foreign body. This is why this virus spreads so quickly. We has 0 immunity to it. You have as much immunity to this as you do AIDS. ZERO.

Some people get it and die. Some go through weeks of fighting and live with damage for the rest of their lives. Some people get it, get really sick and get over it. Some people get it and don't even know they had it. But EVERYONE gets it.
Title: Re: Are you worried about the Coronavirus?
Post by: Varg the wanderer on September 26, 2020, 06:06:42 pm
Your immune system only works on what it recognizes as a foreign object in your body. Unfortunately your body will not recognize this virus as a foreign body. This is why this virus spreads so quickly. We has 0 immunity to it. You have as much immunity to this as you do AIDS. ZERO.

Some people get it and die. Some go through weeks of fighting and live with damage for the rest of their lives. Some people get it, get really sick and get over it. Some people get it and don't even know they had it. But EVERYONE gets it.

This is not entirely true. Some people already have antibodies to the virus, likely because they were sick at some point with a similar virus. And they actually think that most people get it and never know they had it, but yes, like you said. Everyone gets it. And everyone will get it. It's simply far too contagious to contain.
Title: Re: Are you worried about the Coronavirus?
Post by: Kobuk on October 05, 2020, 02:37:56 pm
I've been reading a lot of news reports about how this upcoming winter could be particuarly bad. Not just because of Covid, but also the regular flu. Doctors are telling people to get their flu shots as soon as possible. Hospitals really don't want to be overwhelmed this winter with patients who have Covid and the flu. I already went out this morning and got my flu shot. How about the rest of you?
Title: Re: Are you worried about the Coronavirus?
Post by: cause the rat on October 06, 2020, 01:01:27 pm
Thousands more died in the cold and flue season of Jan, March and February of last year than of summer. We're going head first into that season now.

Kobuk, Yes,  this year I'm getting a flue shot. Been quite a few years for me. This year is a lot scarier. 
Title: Re: Are you worried about the Coronavirus?
Post by: Kobuk on October 06, 2020, 02:52:52 pm
I just got my flu shot yesterday. I'm not taking any chances. Better to be safe than sorry. ;)

Now, about that mange that's been going around Furtopia......... :o :D
Title: Re: Are you worried about the Coronavirus?
Post by: Jade Sinapu on October 07, 2020, 12:04:49 am
I did not start the mange.  But if you want rid of it,  apply 5% permethrim cream all over body on skin for 24 hours. At least that works on dermodetic mites...as if I would know...
Scratch scratch :-[

I got a flu shot as well on last Friday.  For some reason it made me tired for 3 days,  but I'm all good now.

My brother now says he has covid,  will see , I hope not.
Title: Re: Are you worried about the Coronavirus?
Post by: cause the rat on October 07, 2020, 12:47:25 am
Jade, Hope your brother fairs well and gets over it without any complications. The last flue shot I got made me tired for well over a week. One of the reasons it's been years sense the last one.

Mange? Here I thought it was just one of those new hair styles kids are doing these days.  :D
Title: Re: Are you worried about the Coronavirus?
Post by: Loc on October 07, 2020, 05:21:24 am
I've had flu before and never want to get it again or inflict that on anyone. I'm usually pretty self-isolating even pre-Covid, but as I'll be in and out of hospital having check-ups and am staying with someone high-risk, I will be getting a flu shot if at all possible.
I need to be mobile first to get myself to the doctor's office tho, so it may be a few weeks yet. I still can't drive
Title: Re: Are you worried about the Coronavirus?
Post by: Hans the husky on October 07, 2020, 05:36:24 am
I I actually get the flu almost or some other COV virus every year. I'm not sure if thats normal but it's never too bad and I never get implications. I think I might have got COVID earlier this year.
Title: Re: Are you worried about the Coronavirus?
Post by: Kobuk on October 07, 2020, 12:54:35 pm
After getting the flu shot on Monday, I wasn't feeling very well Monday evening. Never got any sleep that night. And if I did, it was maybe 3 hours. After I get flu shots, It doesn't take long to get side effects like muscle aches, slight fever, chills, etc. I'm better now than what I was feeling on Monday night. But I'm still feeling some side effects "slightly". I think when I went in for my shot, I think they gave me something called a "high capacity" flu shot. Whatever that means?
Title: Re: Are you worried about the Coronavirus?
Post by: Kobuk on October 18, 2020, 12:35:09 pm
https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/17/health/covid-fall-surge-ways-to-stay-healthy-wellness/index.html

Title: Re: Are you worried about the Coronavirus?
Post by: Jade Sinapu on October 18, 2020, 07:14:54 pm
I guess I still worry about the virus.  I know it's killed people in the town where my parents live.
I will keep wearing masks and washing hands etc till a vaccine is out.

I I actually get the flu almost or some other COV virus every year. I'm not sure if thats normal but it's never too bad and I never get implications. I think I might have got COVID earlier this year.
I remember getting full blown flu when I was 15.  I hurt so bad all over the pain was unbearable.  I had to take codeine +Tylenol just to get sleep. At times I was hallucinating and moaning.   My joints were all swollen and had a high fever of 103. Since then I have had arthritis symptoms.  Now I just plain have arthritis all over my body and can't sleep well and I'm not really old enough for how bad it is.   That year I got the flu,  was a year we couldn't get shots because of money and my dad's healthcare through work was very lame.  So I'm always a little worried about the flu.
I don't know how stone can get it and be ok,  and others die. 
Title: Re: Are you worried about the Coronavirus?
Post by: cause the rat on October 18, 2020, 07:31:26 pm
As of the 19th of October everyone where I work will be required to wear a mask on the job. We just had a plant shut down completely because Covid spread through it in a matter of a few days. We are part of the essential business. We can't crap down. To tell the truth most of us feel like we're expendable. This may be a pain but at best it does make ya feel a little better.
Title: Re: Are you worried about the Coronavirus?
Post by: Kay Alett on October 18, 2020, 08:26:45 pm
I guess I still worry about the virus.  I know it's killed people in the town where my parents live.
I will keep wearing masks and washing hands etc till a vaccine is out.

I I actually get the flu almost or some other COV virus every year. I'm not sure if thats normal but it's never too bad and I never get implications. I think I might have got COVID earlier this year.
I remember getting full blown flu when I was 15.  I hurt so bad all over the pain was unbearable.  I had to take codeine +Tylenol just to get sleep. At times I was hallucinating and moaning.   My joints were all swollen and had a high fever of 103. Since then I have had arthritis symptoms.  Now I just plain have arthritis all over my body and can't sleep well and I'm not really old enough for how bad it is.   That year I got the flu,  was a year we couldn't get shots because of money and my dad's healthcare through work was very lame.  So I'm always a little worried about the flu.
I don't know how stone can get it and be ok,  and others die. 


depends on your genetics, your age, the strength of your immune system and other factors.
I've gotten flu a few times and I hated it. It would screw up all my sensory input, making things I drank taste awful and I start hallucinating sounds. Hearing people talk that aren't really there. Or I have dreams that are so vivid I mistake them for actual things that happened.
The flu is not something to take lightly and Covid-19 is worse than that.

But am I worried about it? Not quite. One side effect of being homeless is that I am learning to take life as it happens. To take each day in small bites. I still mask up, wash my hands, use hand sanitizer and try to avoid it but as I see it if I get it then I got it. Only thing to do at that point is to continue taking it one step at a time.
I would never advocate being thrown out of your home as a positive thing but I have learned to think more zen in this period of my life. Tomorrow is tomorrow and no one knows what tomorrow will bring, not even those who have planned their tomorrows out.

Anything can happen. So do your best to be responsible for your own hand in others lives and do what you can to not spread it around or catch it but also, relax. Breathe. Remain calm and remember: This only a moment in time. Allow it to pass.
Title: Re: Are you worried about the Coronavirus?
Post by: Kobuk on October 18, 2020, 11:01:33 pm
When it comes to the coronavirus (and/or any other disease, flu, etc.), there's only one question I ask myself: Do you want to live?

For me, the answer is Yes. Washing hands, wearing a mask, distancing from people whenever possible, and doing anything else applicable that might keep me (or others) safe.

I want to live.
I choose to live.

But for the people who don't wear masks and don't social distance, etc., Does your freedom mean so much more to you than saving your own life or that of others? Does your freedom not to wear a mask, party with friends, etc. mean more to you than the life of your children, your wife, your father and mother, your grandparents, and so many others? If the answer to that is Yes, then there's nothing more that I want to say to you. If you're going to recklessly endanger not just yourself, but also others, then why should I care if you live or die? I'm not the one who has to look at you hooked up to a ventilator in a hospital. You made the decision not to wear a mask. You made the decision not to social distance. And for those who choose not to do those things, you have to live with the consequences of your actions. Heck, you may even have to live with the fact you made other people sick and/or other people died because of your recklessness and carefree attitude.

So when you go to sleep at night, how does it feel knowing you possibly could have made others sick or that others died? Guilty conscience yet?

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Title: Re: Are you worried about the Coronavirus?
Post by: cause the rat on October 21, 2020, 01:46:25 pm
Leave it to the company I work for to give us all the very worst face mask you could possibly wear to fight off this virus. Lycra. Yes, they handed us all lycra face masks. I went to the main office and had a word with management. Then went out to my car and got a good mask. Most of the folks at work are wearing the masks they have and not the one giving to us by this company.

Lycra dissipates and defuses water. Making the molecules smaller. Smaller water molecules travel farther. Plus lycra offers the least amount of protection.  If you can blow a candle out wile wearing a mask the mask is useless.
Title: Re: Are you worried about the Coronavirus?
Post by: Kobuk on October 23, 2020, 10:10:46 am
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Title: Re: Are you worried about the Coronavirus?
Post by: Jade Sinapu on October 24, 2020, 02:50:31 pm
 Kobuk your last post here was blank. Does that mean covid ... ate you?!
Title: Re: Are you worried about the Coronavirus?
Post by: cause the rat on October 24, 2020, 03:53:35 pm
Jade, Kobuk's post has a dot..... .. .... ...... I think it's still loading. :)

Tuesday I walked into work to find they are handing out disposable masks. I've also learned how to wear a mask and my glasses without getting fogged up. You have to lower wear your glasses lower on your nose. Yes it messes a bit with your vision. But not as much as the thick fog.
Title: Re: Are you worried about the Coronavirus?
Post by: Jade Sinapu on November 07, 2020, 10:00:21 pm
I am now very very concerned.

My brother is having moderate symptoms of Covid-19 and he is testing positive.  He can't breathe well, but he is being forced to do at-home breathing treatments since hospitals are getting full fast.  He has a weird sore in his throat that wont go away and is getting bigger. 

He has 5 kids, ranging from 5 to 19.  If he dies, IDK what will happen.  His wife is uninterested in being a parent, and has been that way for the last year.

He has a fever of 101, and can't breathe well without deliberate effort and thought and says it is like a fat guy is sitting on his chest.  He went up 5 stairs at home and was exhausted.  My brother is very strong, and always has been in good shape.  He is 2 years older than me.  He rarely gets breathing problems, but this is getting him bad.  I am afraid for his life!

All this happened because someone at his work made him sick and they habitually did not wear the mask, wash hands, or use sanitizer products.   I am mad at them , and I actually know them!  They are very sick too, but not as sick as my brother.  If you are sick stay at home!

This COVID-19 has hit my family directly now!  And I am scared and mad.  I am sick and tired of people saying this is all bs.  It is real, very very real!
His kids are scared their father will die!  My brother actually does special work that will be hard to replace him if he passes away too!

If someone tells me that this is natures way of weeding out the sick, weak, elderly, etc... they need to know my brother!  He has competed in mountain bike races that are hundreds of miles long at high altitude.  He is not weak!  But this virus is just about got him!  If it can do this to him, who else?  My parents won't stand a snowballs chance.
Some people want to not follow rules, and now my brother may die!?

WEAR THE MASK!  TELL EVERYONE!

I have heard 27 ambulances dispatched here today (I did count).  I do not know what for.  But I do know that on an average day at home, I hear few.  Maybe 2 to 3? 
Something is happening out there.  And I also know the Covid numbers have spiked in my town.

I drove to get gas.  I saw TONS of people out and about as if nothing is the matter. 
I want some of those people to come to my house so I can give them a piece of my mind, and show them my brother and who he is and all he has done, and his 5 kids who may become orphans because the mother is a piece of trash and their father may die!

I ask you, whatever you believe, please if you would, put my brother in your thoughts, please do your best to stop the spread.   
Sorry I am upset.
Title: Re: Are you worried about the Coronavirus?
Post by: cause the rat on November 08, 2020, 01:05:57 am
Hoping the best for your brother Jade. Looking forward to hearing good news soon.

I've been exposed but have not tested positive. People are still not taking this seriously where I live as well. Even with the new cases per day now in the double digits. Going from one to maybe four to up to nineteen a day now.

I personally believe President Trump, some members of the republican party, fox news and all other right wing media who have spread lies about this virus should be held accountable.
Title: Re: Are you worried about the Coronavirus?
Post by: Kobuk on November 08, 2020, 10:06:57 am
Jade, I'm sorry to hear about your brother. I hope he can get well. *hugs*
I don't have the link with me right now, but I remember reading somewhere that having people lay on their stomachs rather than their backs somehow helps with increasing oxygen into the lungs so patients can breath better/easier.
Title: Re: Are you worried about the Coronavirus?
Post by: Kobuk on November 08, 2020, 11:47:13 pm
Biden lays out his plan to combat coronavirus. But.........it won't be effective for at least another 2 1/2 months when Biden becomes President on Jan.20. Until then, we're still living (and dying) in Trump's fantasy world where he thinks he's beaten the coronavirus.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/08/health/biden-pandemic-plan/index.html

https://buildbackbetter.com/priorities/covid-19/
Title: Re: Are you worried about the Coronavirus?
Post by: Kobuk on November 09, 2020, 09:34:17 am
There's hope.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/09/health/pfizer-covid-19-vaccine-effective/index.html
Title: Re: Are you worried about the Coronavirus?
Post by: Kobuk on November 09, 2020, 05:17:12 pm
Here's who's on Biden's coronavirus advisory team.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/09/health/members-of-biden-covid-19-advisory-board/index.html
Title: Re: Are you worried about the Coronavirus?
Post by: Jade Sinapu on November 09, 2020, 08:53:35 pm
I am glad the virus vaccine is going to be effective.
My brother is unchanged in his situation.  Out of work 1 month now.  Employer is running out of options for him...short term disability might be next.
This is going to bankrupt insurance companies...

Title: Re: Are you worried about the Coronavirus?
Post by: Jade Sinapu on November 10, 2020, 04:00:45 pm
My brother has the corona virus and has a temperature of between 102F and 103F
I say this because this thread is about being worried about the virus.  I am more worried now than I was. 
I once had a neighbor who had scarlet fever when she was 16.  (this was a while ago, she was old when I knew her when I was a little kid).  Her fever made her deaf.
People with novel Corona Virus 19 are also at high risk for developing weird issues later after they recover, and also have waves or resurgence at times (so people tell me).

I find it odd how the cases spike when news that a vaccine is being made?  Did people go out deliberately and infect/get it ?  Why would they do that?  You know like the old idea "joey has chicken pox, lets send sally to his house..." Would anyone do that to avoid a needle? I hope my thoughts are way off base.

I forgot to mention last weekend, when I was picking up groceries, the guy who delivered them to my car was rather young, and COUGHED in my car and closed the hatch.  He was wearing a mask.  I popped open my door and sent the windows down.  I heard him laughing at me.  So I take it that some younger people are using this as a BIOLOGICAL WEAPON against who they feel are old?!?!  I'm 38.  I do not feel old. I guess I repressed this memory because it did make me so mad.  But I remember it now.  If someone does that to my parents, and I am there, if I can react, I will get cell phone video and send it to employer and maybe police?

So i guess I am saying that I encountered once case of possible mal-intent related to possible deliberate virus spreading with an age bias.
I wonder what virus I am immune to that he is not?

Title: Re: Are you worried about the Coronavirus?
Post by: Loc on November 11, 2020, 12:45:01 am
If someone does that to my parents, and I am there, if I can react, I will get cell phone video and send it to employer and maybe police?
Yes, do this. Intentionally trying to spread corona by coughing on people has lead to people being arrested and can be considered an assault, endangerment, or a terroist threat.
Title: Re: Are you worried about the Coronavirus?
Post by: Kobuk on November 14, 2020, 11:23:58 pm
Doctors, hospitals, and the media are warning people that coronavirus infections are going to get extremely bad if people go out and celebrate Thanksgiving and Christmas. I'm debating whether I want to see my mother for Thanksgiving or not. Granted, it's just the two of us having dinner and nobody else. But still, I want her and myself to be safe. I'm just not sure what to do. Even if I do go to her place, I'll still wear a mask. Maybe we won't have dinner at the same table. She can eat in the kitchen, and maybe I'll go sit in the spare room at the desk. There's still 1 1/2 to 2 weeks to figure out what we're going to do.
Title: Re: Are you worried about the Coronavirus?
Post by: Jade Sinapu on November 15, 2020, 07:20:28 pm
I think our family is going to try virtual holiday.   We plan on setting up zoom or Skype or something,  and we all make a small meal for our part of the family.  Then we eat/ talk online?

I want to arrange my kitchen to look like a castle or something,  tapestries,  candles,  etc , and I want to wear my fursuit.  If I do that,  it will be the first time my family has seen it.  And I think it would be a shock! And I want to speak in character, and as if I live in  the past. I could almost make this work,  if I still had my old dog Heidi. She would be a great pal to compete my illusion.   But Wanda would just eat my food, damage my suit etc.

So  Kobuk,  can you do a virtual thing with your mom?
Title: Re: Are you worried about the Coronavirus?
Post by: Kobuk on November 15, 2020, 09:53:34 pm
No Jade, neither me or my mom have the capability to do a "virtual" Thanksgiving. Or even a Christmas for that matter.
Title: Re: Are you worried about the Coronavirus?
Post by: Jade Sinapu on November 16, 2020, 12:07:20 pm
Yeah, the corona virus upended a whole lot.  My folks say they will download ZOOM on my moms laptop and use the webcam / mic in the computer to do Zoom live with us.  I don't know about that.  They once tried Skype and it went bad.  Before Skype we used Microsoft Live or whatever it was called and that went good.  But  a lot of time has passed since then. 

I think you can download ZOOM on a phone and try it.  And if that phone is on WiFi, no data usage is burned up.
I plan on that, my cheap pay as I go phone, zoom, and my WiFi.  But not sure.

Hope you get to see your mom , and she and you are well and have fun and good eats. 
Title: Re: Are you worried about the Coronavirus?
Post by: Kobuk on November 16, 2020, 03:42:07 pm
Moderna seems to have developed a vaccine that appears to be slightly more effective than the one Pfizer developed.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/16/health/moderna-vaccine-results-coronavirus/index.html

Of course, it's still going to be quite awhile before it gets approved and distributed to the public. So we will all be waiting many more months yet before anybody can get vaccinated. And who gets to get vaccinated first? Good question. Best guess would be:
1. All health care workers first.
2. All other emergency services (Police, Fire, etc.)
3. Government workers.
4. Military personnel
5. Elderly and disabled (50 years age and older)
6. Rest of the public?

And the White House is touting that Trump is taking (or should take) credit for this vaccine. Are you kidding? I wouldn't give him credit. Real credit goes toward the doctors and scientists who develop any vaccine. Not to any politician looking to improve their credability and standing with the American public. Doctors, nurses, scientists and even the people who volunteered during the clinical trials are the real heroes who deserve credit.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/16/politics/kathleen-sebelius-operation-warp-speed-success-cnntv/index.html

Boost your immune system with these foods to prevent getting sick.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/16/health/immune-boosting-foods-wellness/index.html

What to know if your employer wants you to get vaccinated.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/16/success/employer-require-covid-vaccination/index.html

A negative test result does not necessarily mean it may be safe to visit family for Thanksgiving.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/16/health/thanksgiving-family-covid-testing-wellness/index.html
Title: Re: Are you worried about the Coronavirus?
Post by: Varg the wanderer on November 17, 2020, 10:17:47 pm
"If you cannot live because you are afraid of death, then you have already died."

Perhaps I have a different point of view because I have been forced to accept that I will die one day, and that there is a lot of risk in simply being alive, though many of us are insulated from it because as a society we have chosen to concentrate that risk on others, like fishermen, police officers, coal miners, fire fighters, underwater welders, sailors, and the like. That risk is still there, someone must shoulder it, and for me to cower in fear in a hole from a treatable disease with a low lethality seems not only absurd to me, but an insult to all those who have faced far greater risks for me.

I realize that to some people it poses a much greater danger, and only you can evaluate what that danger is and the amount of risk you find acceptable. But I have evaluated that risk for myself, and I find it more than acceptable to face.
Title: Re: Are you worried about the Coronavirus?
Post by: Kay Alett on November 18, 2020, 12:09:20 am
"If you cannot live because you are afraid of death, then you have already died."

Perhaps I have a different point of view because I have been forced to accept that I will die one day

I had to come to terms with my own mortality when I was still in kindergarten and was told my heart was malformed and I could die from it. I went through all five stages and arrived at acceptance. Through my many heart surgeries I felt more like a laboratory experiment than a person and I frequently confided in my stuffed animal that I wished my parents would allow me to die because I didn't want this anymore.
But just because I accept that I am going to die one day doesn't mean that I blindly ignore risks to my own health. I have friends and I want to be able to bid them goodbye at some point. Accepting the inevitable does not have to mean that you will rush to face it.

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I have evaluated that risk for myself, and I find it more than acceptable to face.

That's good for you but I hope you are still taking precautions such as wearing a mask and limiting your exposure. Just because you're not afraid of catching the virus doesn't mean you should be fine with carrying it around. Imagine for example if it turns out you're a carrier. Someone who has the virus inside of them right now but shows no symptoms of the sickness because it doesn't make you sick, it just hides out inside you and uses you as a vector to spread itself to others. You might not be, I'll grant you, but you never know.
Masks and other PPE are not just for your own protection, it helps others as well. Just like getting a vaccine is not just for your own health but also helps safeguards the health of others around you.

If you think it's okay to not wear a mask or any other kind of protective gear then you are announcing to everyone that you do not care about other people, you come first.
Title: Re: Are you worried about the Coronavirus?
Post by: Jade Sinapu on November 18, 2020, 12:10:46 am
I think it's a good bet that most everyone is afraid of death, maybe even some psychopaths.  It seems to be a natural thing for a human to preserve their life.  But fear of death doesn't stop most from living. 
Having fear of something may mean you respect what it can do to you,  and that those things you find undesirable and want to avoid them. It shows intelligence and forethought.  I know I do not like a gun pointed at my body so I avoid that.  I know it could be loaded and I could die.  My dog looks straight into a gun barrel of a loaded gun and knows nothing of it and has no fear. 
So being afraid of covid is not a sign of weakness nor a reason to stop living. But it is a sign of something else.

My brother went to the emergency room because he can't breathe well at all and was unresponsive and was found seizuring by his oldest daughter.  When he got there,  there was a long delay in obtaining treatment.  Seems hospitals are filling up there. So even though it is treatable,  obtaining treatment may be hard in some instances. And even though people do recover,  some are left with blod clots in lungs that can cause debilitating strokes. My brothers co worker,  who is 32, did in fact have some small clots,  but thankfully no stroke. My brother is back at home and is being watched by his oldest daughter who doesn't want her dad to die. Because she loves him. She is afraid covid will take her dad away. And 4 other kids could become wards of the state.

I do know a few of my ancestors who fought for my rights and freedoms would probably echo what you said,  to not be afraid to live,  but I bet my uncle Sidney, who survived the Battan death march,  would probably tell me to protect myself and others. He was a wise man who believed in God and science.  He was a master machinist after the war. He was smart and apparently brave as well as physically strong.  He shouldered a great deal of risk when his country asked him to,  but was not a fool seeking risks out or ignoring his responsibility to a greater good.  He never drank,  never smoked,  and was not overweight.  He was responsible.  He died after a drunk kid hit him with a car.  A kid who thought only of himself apparently. We have a duty to protect others, I feel. So some who knowingly take the brunt of life's hardships on our behalf,  if asked, might not want us to be as risky because they care about us.

I guess being responsible for a life,  or a big project,  etc,  may make one value their life more than someone who has fewer ties to things or people. It is relative.  To be afraid of getting ill and not being strong enough to take care of people you love,  people who depend on you,  is enough to make some avoid the getting sick part.  And knowing those who love you will see you be ill and be sad for you etc,  is also a big deterrent to allowing yourself getting ill,  despite the fact you have a fair chance of a full recovery.

So yeah,  I'm worried, I care about others and my impact on them, and my responsibilities to them,  so I protect myself as fully as I can,  and keep living in controlled fear out of respect for a thing that has survived much longer than my race has lived, and kills indiscriminately.

A vaccine will help.  But till then,  to allow more access to treatment,  for those who want to get trearment and increase their odds of survivung the illness,  a mask,  hand washing , gloves,  distancing all are prudent measures.  Also,  this virus probably didn't survive for untold eons because it is weak.  It might mutate and adapt, altering current mortality rates.  Because we can't predict it's abilities,  not allowing it a host also means it has less chances of mutations. 

Title: Re: Are you worried about the Coronavirus?
Post by: cause the rat on November 18, 2020, 12:49:54 am
A guy in my department at work has come down with this. Now it's a wait and see if the rest of us with end up with it.

Title: Re: Are you worried about the Coronavirus?
Post by: Kobuk on November 18, 2020, 11:41:04 am
More vaccine news.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/18/health/pfizer-coronavirus-vaccine-safety/index.html

https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/16/health/vaccines-coronavirus-covid-19-questions-answered-wellness/index.html

https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/18/opinions/thanksgiving-covid-19-shared-sacrifice-myth-hemmer/index.html
Title: Re: Are you worried about the Coronavirus?
Post by: Kobuk on November 18, 2020, 09:07:26 pm
Two more articles worth reading.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/18/health/covid-19-deaths-us-250k-trnd/index.html

This second link is particuarly interesting in case anybody is in need of stimulous $$$ to help them.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/18/politics/covid-relief-programs-expiring-in-december/index.html
Title: Re: Are you worried about the Coronavirus?
Post by: Kobuk on November 19, 2020, 04:44:05 pm
The more I hear about how more people are getting infected and how people are advising not to get together for Thanksgiving, the more I am thinking of possibly not visiting my mother for T-Day.  :( I really don't want to, but it keeps knawing at the back of my mind.
 
I just got off the phone with a friend I used to work with for 15 years. Him and his wife both came down with Covid. Possibly their children too. Neither of them are in the hospital yet from what my friend told me. I hope and pray they will all recover.

And then an earlier conversation with another best friend from high school and he told me his brother in law and his wife both have Covid. How bad, I don't know.


*screaming* YOU KNOW, THIS NATION WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN IN THIS GOD FORSAKEN MESS IF THAT DUMBTARD TRUMP AND THE REST OF HIS ADMINISTRATION WOULD HAVE GOTTEN OFF THEIR BUTTS AND DID MORE SUBSTANTIAL WORK IN PREPARING FOR THIS PANDEMIC INSTEAD OF PLAYING IT DOWN. AND LET'S NOT FORGET ALL THE TRUMP SUPPORTERS AND CONSPIRACY THEORISTS DOWNPLAYING IT TOO, NOT WEARING MASKS, ETC. BUNCH OF FOOLS, IDIOTS, JERKS, AND EVERY OTHER DEROGATORY TERM i CAN THROW AT THEM.

 :goldpissed: :goldpissed: :goldpissed:
Title: Re: Are you worried about the Coronavirus?
Post by: Jade Sinapu on November 19, 2020, 06:36:31 pm
I know my mask, the one from work, is not so good fitting and is like 2 layers rough canvas like cotton.  It does stop spittle etc, and i can feel it absorb some humidity and if it is doing that I think it might be catching viruses?
I did a little research when COVID first came out, and I seem to remember that electrostatically some viruses get caught in fabrics, which is why doctors wear them, and also to catch spit and hairs (bidirectionally).

Gloves are there as a disposable hand", or at least very washable hand surface that you can bleach.
I do have a 50W germicidal UV-C lamp set that I can use to sterilize things. (good luck getting the bulbs now!)
and social distancing was to allow virus to dissipate to low levels such that people chances of getting a viral load large enough to overwhelm the immune system (get sick) was low.

All of this was told to the public by reliable and unbiased sources from the beginning.  It is same thing doctors do during flu season i believe. 
It should have been easy enough for all of us to do.  But some were claiming violation of rights because a mask was required to enter a private business who sets some of the rules.  I don't understand people.

I made a mask of thick quilted cotton in between 2 layers of tight synthetic fabric.  It is hard to breathe through and is hot as heck.
but it filters!
If you have ever needed to filter something, stuff a column with cotton balls.  Take a pipe that is thin and long and pack it hard with cotton balls, and pour in the fluid.  IF you have pressure to push it through, it comes out clean, and the cotton is dirty.  I have used this in one job to make clean water that supposedly according to the chemist was able to remove all but the smallest viruses.  I do not know how small the corona is...and this method requires hundreds of PSI...but hopefully there is some benifit to breathing through cotton.  Cotton has micro pores, something like activated carbon .  Synthetic weaves are like plastic rods, they do not filter except mechanically.  Cotton with its pores , can electrostatically filter as well as mechanical.  And I think washing and drying doesn't stop that.

I mention this because this knowledge is out there, on TV, on the web, and in my case in a book i have from my old days in college. 

This virus came from an animal, and was not a plot.  Ebola, possibly aids, corona, and others are in animals at times.  It was going to happen sooner or later.  WE  are encroaching on wildlife spaces and our population grows.  People eat wildlife, and can get exposed during processing to viruses.  This was inevitable, not a conspiracy.  I do not know why people thought China did this to US.  They wouldn't.  They got sick too.  And because of the draconian measures, it was squashed easier.  Also, they have a mentality of following the leader, and that helped in this situation. 
Here we seem to get offended if we speed and out license is taken away, as if it is a birth right.  Nope.  It was an earned privilege .  People are too out of touch with reality. 
Just wear the dang mask.  Wear gloves if you got em.  Distance.

I would watch Dr Fauchi and he seemed to know what common sense was, and yet it sounded like some were trying to say he was wrong?  If we can't trust a doctor regarding spread of a germ, who can we trust?  Let's all trust our local automechanc?  Sure, they MAY know what to do as well, but historically a doctor is supposed to know more in depth.  So I listened to the doctors.  They took an oath to help, why would they lie?

One guy at work got his covid swab.  It turned out negative.  He showed me the email on his phone.  He said, "see here this is from the hospital.  I took an online exam and it said I have the virus and this is before I got the swab, its all a bunch of nonsense to get more people in as patients".  I took a good look at it ... here is what it really said "you pre-screening questionnaire shows evidence that you may have a viral infection given your self reported symptoms.  Because of this, you should consider getting a covid test, please click here to schedule a time for a sample collection."  The cost without insurance was about $40.

I then told him my interpretation of it, he still was adamant that it was a ploy to get money via patients.  I told him that if they do that they could lose the medical license, the thing that makes it where they can work and make money.  If they do that they can't pay off the student loans of 200,000 etc.  Why would a hospital also lose credibility?  No one would ever come to it.

Where is the use of logic?

Some people love to believe in a story of their own rather than hear a truth that causes more work for them.
People are mentally lazy.

My sisters realitives also said this about corona...
"It is God's will that some may die and some may live."

They also said this about their own son when he had a brain anyerusim.  My side of the family were the ones taking him to the hospital when it happened, and supported him.
The doctor with his skills saved him.  The science saved him.
And of course when their son made a great recovery, they were so pleased to see him as his old self.  Well how nice.  Thank the doctor, the nurses, the engineers, scientists, the humans who made it possible.

My opinion...
If god is there, god made us able to understand how to help others and to care.  So why not do just that?  Use the brain you were given!
When you are croaking, you might lament how it is gods will that you go.  But what if someone came at that moment and said they could save you?  How quickly you might forget what you just said!  It might just be gods will when you are unaware of options.

As much as I can, I will be the one to choose what is under my control.  I choose to control the virus with knowledge.

And Kobuk, to let you know...
My brother had his fever come down, and his pneumonia is starting to get controlled by meds.  So he may be turning the corner on Covid.  Will have to see.
I say this because, yes, people are recovering from it.  Just remind your friend to be on top of symptom development and have a plan for treatment if needed.
It is a nasty one, just like a really bad flu.  Which I bet few people remember getting (thanks to science).

My brother is out of work now for 1 month, and is now on Short term disability.  His employer is being super nice about this. 
Title: Re: Are you worried about the Coronavirus?
Post by: Kobuk on November 21, 2020, 06:47:08 pm
Trump doesn't care about coronavirus and/or people getting sick/dying at the G20 Summit meeting.

Why am I not surprised by this?

https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/21/politics/trump-g20-saturday-sessions/index.html


When the event began, Trump was among the nearly two-dozen world leaders who appeared via video-conference, beaming in from the White House situation room.
But only 13 minutes after the scheduled 8 a.m. ET, start time, Trump was sending tweets focused on his efforts to overturn the results of the US presidential election. By 10 a.m. ET, the President had departed the White House on his way to his namesake golf club outside Washington, DC.

Yep, you read that right, folks. YOUR PRESIDENT DOES NOT CARE ABOUT YOU OR OTHERS WHO HAVE THE CORONAVIRUS.  >:( All he cares about is tweeting that he lost the election and going to play golf.
Title: Re: Are you worried about the Coronavirus?
Post by: Firelight on November 21, 2020, 10:05:26 pm
The more I hear about how more people are getting infected and how people are advising not to get together for Thanksgiving, the more I am thinking of possibly not visiting my mother for T-Day.  :( I really don't want to, but it keeps knawing at the back of my mind.
 
I just got off the phone with a friend I used to work with for 15 years. Him and his wife both came down with Covid. Possibly their children too. Neither of them are in the hospital yet from what my friend told me. I hope and pray they will all recover.

And then an earlier conversation with another best friend from high school and he told me his brother in law and his wife both have Covid. How bad, I don't know.


*screaming* YOU KNOW, THIS NATION WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN IN THIS GOD FORSAKEN MESS IF THAT DUMBTARD TRUMP AND THE REST OF HIS ADMINISTRATION WOULD HAVE GOTTEN OFF THEIR BUTTS AND DID MORE SUBSTANTIAL WORK IN PREPARING FOR THIS PANDEMIC INSTEAD OF PLAYING IT DOWN. AND LET'S NOT FORGET ALL THE TRUMP SUPPORTERS AND CONSPIRACY THEORISTS DOWNPLAYING IT TOO, NOT WEARING MASKS, ETC. BUNCH OF FOOLS, IDIOTS, JERKS, AND EVERY OTHER DEROGATORY TERM i CAN THROW AT THEM.

 :goldpissed: :goldpissed: :goldpissed:

Also if China wasn't messing around with Pangolins. I heard that's what started it. (Although that's kinda what they get for believing that Pangolin scales can heal/cure you of something, they can't) But Trump def didn't help.

I'm still not worried I don't think I've caught it yet, if anything I'm a carrier that's normally how that goes. But if I have caught it, it was mild and dad thinks he may have gotten it a few times? Not badly though. Then again that might have just been the common cold.
Title: Re: Are you worried about the Coronavirus?
Post by: Kobuk on November 21, 2020, 10:17:47 pm
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Also if China wasn't messing around with Pangolins. I heard that's what started it. (Although that's kinda what they get for believing that Pangolin scales can heal/cure you of something, they can't) But Trump def didn't help.

I don't think there's been any concrete evidence that the coronavirus did come from a animal market in China. The WHO (World Health Organization), the CDC, and other organizations are pressuring China to come clean about how the outbreak originally started in China, but Chinese officials haven't exactly been forthcoming with information. There's also been suspicions of the virus possibly originating from a biomedical laboratory, but there's been no concrete proof of that either.
Title: Re: Are you worried about the Coronavirus?
Post by: Kay Alett on November 22, 2020, 02:52:15 pm
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Also if China wasn't messing around with Pangolins. I heard that's what started it. (Although that's kinda what they get for believing that Pangolin scales can heal/cure you of something, they can't) But Trump def didn't help.

I don't think there's been any concrete evidence that the coronavirus did come from a animal market in China. The WHO (World Health Organization), the CDC, and other organizations are pressuring China to come clean about how the outbreak originally started in China, but Chinese officials haven't exactly been forthcoming with information. There's also been suspicions of the virus possibly originating from a biomedical laboratory, but there's been no concrete proof of that either.

There's no scientific evidence that the coronavirus was manufactured in a lab. Nevermind how insanely difficult such a thing would be. I know we like to imagine that we have super powerful technology but the fact is we don't have the capacity to engineer a virus from whole cloth. We only just now started learning how to edit genes in larger animals. Virus are, yes smaller and more simplistic compared to editing genes of larger animals but we do this using bacteria and viruses that have been specially prepared to change things. Editing a virus to do widespread damage is a different task entirely.

Saying we can do one because we can do the other is a massive jump in logic. It's like my parents thinking I'm a computer wizard and know how to build my computer from scratch just because I know what a gigabyte is and know how to use a USB cord to move MP3s from a computer onto a device.
It's like thinking a person knows how to build their own car from the ground up because they can change a spark plug, install new headlights or pump their own gas.

Just because you have basic knowledge of a thing doesn't make you an expert, it just makes you LOOK like an expert to the people who have no idea how this stuff works.


One more thing.


We don't know exactly where this bug came from, it's entirely possible China doesn't know themselves but they don't want to look stupid in front of the world so they're going "Yes. Yes. We're aware of the start of the outbreak, we'll tell you more at our discretion".
It's like holding a folder that says "TOP SECRET" and saying that you know what's inside but you have to study it more first and then leaving quickly before everyone finds out you were bluffing with an empty envelope.


One more thing.


I'm still not worried I don't think I've caught it yet, if anything I'm a carrier that's normally how that goes. But if I have caught it, it was mild and dad thinks he may have gotten it a few times? Not badly though. Then again that might have just been the common cold.

That is fallacious, specious reasoning. You cannot judge this kind of thing like that. I haven't felt sick either, I spent months on the street in Texas with barely any protection whatsoever by that kind of logic I might have it and be simply a carrier but also no one I have spent time around has showed symptoms of the virus either. Should I surmise then they must be immune? Or do I have to wonder if perhaps maybe I simply haven't encountered it yet? Occam's Razor says the latter.

Also this virus has different symptoms than your average cold.
Including but not limited to-


Don't make leaps of logic using logical fallacies. The most likely scenario is that you simply have not encountered the virus yet and you should not relax your protection.
Title: Re: Are you worried about the Coronavirus?
Post by: Jade Sinapu on November 22, 2020, 06:42:58 pm
I agree with Kay here.
That list.. My brother had ALL those symptoms over his course of virus.

When I have a cold I have a few.  When I had con crud ( kennel cough) I had a few of those symptoms. 

My sister thinks she is immune because she had some symptoms of something earlier.  So she is talking about venturing into public like some sort of warrior and lending helping hands to people who are sick.
I told her she didn't have corona yet.  I told her to learn from our brother and his trials.

When any virus gets in our body,  the symptoms are often just common ones,  mild fever,  tiredness,  some aches.
But not loss of taste/ smell,  not extreme diarrhea,  not total muscle fatigue till you can't roll out of bed. Nor a 102 fever for 4 days straight with hallucinations and mini seizures...

So what I heard,  and it may just be gossip,  was China had in a lab a dead wild animal from a bush meat market.  It was there for study because people had gotten sick eating products there.
Not sure what really happened...
Title: Re: Are you worried about the Coronavirus?
Post by: Kobuk on November 22, 2020, 09:41:19 pm
When it comes to the coronavirus and being near people at the store, outside, or somewhere else, treat EVERYBODY as a possible carrier of the virus. Don't assume that because somebody looks and feels healthy that they are immune and don't have the virus. The virus can affect people in many different ways.

Every person you see and/or meet could be a carrier, whether they show symptoms or not. Treat them as suspect. Treat yourself as suspect too.
Title: Re: Are you worried about the Coronavirus?
Post by: Kay Alett on November 22, 2020, 10:47:27 pm
When it comes to the coronavirus and being near people at the store, outside, or somewhere else, treat EVERYBODY as a possible carrier of the virus. Don't assume that because somebody looks and feels healthy that they are immune and don't have the virus. The virus can affect people in many different ways.

Every person you see and/or meet could be a carrier, whether they show symptoms or not. Treat them as suspect. Treat yourself as suspect too.

Wise advice. My main point was that thinking of yourself as simply a carrier or somehow immune should not lead one to foregoing protection.
Title: Re: Are you worried about the Coronavirus?
Post by: Kobuk on November 22, 2020, 10:55:27 pm
There's one good thing to come from this coronavirus. A lot of retailers are closing on Thanksgiving. Normally, a lot of retailers would open very early the day before Friday to get a jump on Black Friday sales. Not anymore this year. I always hated working on T-Day in the past.  >:(

https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/22/business/thanksgiving-stores-open/index.html
Title: Re: Are you worried about the Coronavirus?
Post by: Kobuk on November 23, 2020, 01:38:41 pm
The current state of vaccine progress.

https://www.cnn.com/world/live-news/coronavirus-pandemic-11-23-20-intl/h_db78fd5ddcb521b7874381158a26e04f
Title: Re: Are you worried about the Coronavirus?
Post by: Kobuk on November 30, 2020, 06:42:14 pm
CHINA LIED!  :goldpissed:

https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/30/asia/wuhan-china-covid-intl/index.html
Title: Re: Are you worried about the Coronavirus?
Post by: Jade Sinapu on December 01, 2020, 02:31:06 pm
Communist governments lie all the time to save face (more than other governments, they all stink).  The biggest tool they have to keep populace believing them is the facade they create ( the lies they make).
I figured they covered up a bit.  Sad.
Here we are telling truth (I hope) and therefore we can react.
Title: Re: Are you worried about the Coronavirus?
Post by: Kobuk on December 18, 2020, 12:46:52 pm
How to give help and recieve help during this coronavirus pandemic.

https://www.cnn.com/interactive/2020/health/coronavirus-how-to-help/
Title: Re: Are you worried about the Coronavirus?
Post by: cause the rat on December 18, 2020, 02:25:19 pm
41 new cases in one day. 41 in this small town. Why? Because we had to have a visit from Santa. And no one needs to wear a mask or social distance when visiting Santa.
Title: Re: Are you worried about the Coronavirus?
Post by: Kobuk on December 20, 2020, 11:18:54 am
NEW CORONAVIRUS VARIANT SPREADS IN U.K..

https://www.cnn.com/world/live-news/coronavirus-pandemic-vaccine-updates-12-20-20/h_998fab58968d11f33433c2535077b7aa

https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/20/uk/uk-coronavirus-variant-intl-gbr/index.html

In other news.........
https://www.cnn.com/videos/health/2020/12/20/slaoui-people-who-have-had-covid-19-vaccine-operation-warp-speed-intv-sotu-vpx.cnn
Title: Re: Are you worried about the Coronavirus?
Post by: Jade Sinapu on December 20, 2020, 11:46:06 pm
 Yeah..i saw this mutation coming...
Give a virus a billion hosts, and it copies its self a million times in each host,  eventually it will mutate just by dumb luck (chance). And that mutation is likely to benefit the virus.
So here we are.  Vaccine is useless.

Human race , please start over. Sorry.
Title: Re: Are you worried about the Coronavirus?
Post by: Kobuk on December 21, 2020, 01:22:56 pm
Latest news on that coronavirus variant.

https://www.cnn.com/world/live-news/coronavirus-pandemic-vaccine-updates-12-21-20/h_9a7ba0d7b86d3c8eaac7b4da9f0666c8
https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/20/health/walter-reed-covid-19-variant/index.html
Title: Re: Are you worried about the Coronavirus?
Post by: Jade Sinapu on December 21, 2020, 05:04:25 pm
Glad to know that the vaccine might be useful against the variant coming .
Title: Re: Are you worried about the Coronavirus?
Post by: Kobuk on December 22, 2020, 03:34:29 pm
IF YOU THOUGHT CORONAVIRUS WAS SCARY, YOU AIN'T SEEN NOTHING YET.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/22/africa/drc-forest-new-virus-intl/index.html

Read the book The Hot Zone by Richard Preston. It's a terrifyingly true story.
Title: Re: Are you worried about the Coronavirus?
Post by: Kobuk on December 22, 2020, 06:17:00 pm
Coronavirus just hit the last place on Earth that nobody expected it to be:  Antarctica.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/22/world/antarctica-covid-chile-military-base-intl/index.html
Title: Re: Are you worried about the Coronavirus?
Post by: Jade Sinapu on December 22, 2020, 07:47:17 pm
IF YOU THOUGHT CORONAVIRUS WAS SCARY, YOU AIN'T SEEN NOTHING YET.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/22/africa/drc-forest-new-virus-intl/index.html

Read the book The Hot Zone by Richard Preston. It's a terrifyingly true story.

Yeah I have been thinking that the Corona Virus was a good test for a truly scary pandemic yet to come.
And mostly we failed.  Hurray for arrogant and laziness!
Title: Re: Are you worried about the Coronavirus?
Post by: Kobuk on December 29, 2020, 06:50:28 pm
First U.S. case of new coronavirus variant just hit Colorado.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/29/health/us-coronavirus-tuesday/index.html
Title: Re: Are you worried about the Coronavirus?
Post by: cause the rat on January 03, 2021, 12:58:06 am
In my small town. 28 more cases Thursday. 28 more cases Friday. So far 56 cases because of family gatherings for Christmas. Because people are brainwashed into thinking this is still a joke.
Title: Re: Are you worried about the Coronavirus?
Post by: Jade Sinapu on January 04, 2021, 12:27:05 pm
Right Cause.
When I saw my brother on Zoom, after he was recovering, he was ashen faced, winded, coughed with every breath, and was almost listless.  He is athletic and trim unlike me.  It showed me what it can do, oh boy is it real.  Anyway...

Nice to see that Colorado lives up to its reputation of being strange.  We have the first cases of the new strain.  fun fun
Title: Re: Are you worried about the Coronavirus?
Post by: Kobuk on January 04, 2021, 02:08:02 pm
More news links worth reading.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/04/health/winter-weather-cold-flu-season-wellness-partner/index.html
https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/04/us/coronavirus-pandemic-year-two-trnd/index.html
Title: Re: Are you worried about the Coronavirus?
Post by: Kobuk on January 06, 2021, 09:59:14 am
Coronavirus news for today:

https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/06/health/mutations-coronavirus-vaccine-evade/index.html
https://www.cnn.com/world/live-news/coronavirus-pandemic-vaccine-updates-01-06-21/h_10509279135b21dfa708a8b89af959e4
https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/06/health/us-coronavirus-wednesday/index.html
Title: Re: Are you worried about the Coronavirus?
Post by: Kobuk on January 08, 2021, 02:54:16 pm
Yes, you can still get coronavirus even after getting the vaccine shot. Here's why:

https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/08/health/covid-vaccinated-infected-wellness/index.html
Title: Re: Are you worried about the Coronavirus?
Post by: Jade Sinapu on August 09, 2021, 10:40:02 am
So I hate to say I said so, but...
Since covid was allowed to replicate long enough, we have the Delta variant!  And it is of course stronger in ways and easier to transmit.
(who didn't see that coming?)

So since America has a substantial amount of people in it whom do not have a vaccine, nor wants one, we may hit a point where the clock (as it were) will roll back to 00:00 and we start all over.  That would mean mandatory masks, gloves, sanitizers, new vaccine development, travel restrictions, social distancing, more deaths, and most of all, public distrust of things they do not really understand (like science in general, and compounded interest).

I am waiting for an "Epsilon" variant etc... which we can't stop.  I wonder if people think that this is "what is supposed to happen" and that it will make us all stronger and also reduce the population and "solve issues".  Too bad many people get maimed from severe illness...remember polio, scarlet fever, rheumatic fever, mumps, measles, etc?  Of course you don't remember those childhood diseases!  People before you all got vaccines and KILLED those viruses out!  But those viruses all hurt or killed thousands before vaccines were made to STOP them.

So since the biggest enemy we have is the American people thinking they are smarter than they really are, Yes, I will still say Covid still concerns me, because it is still there fighting us.  Even though we have the tools to kill it once and for all.   :( :(

Title: Re: Are you worried about the Coronavirus?
Post by: cause the rat on August 09, 2021, 02:57:17 pm
I think I'm either getting cold to all of this. Or just angry at the murderous attitudes of those who are spreading false information, or out right lies. First we now have a new variant. Not much is known about it yet. Second one of the best things I've heard about the Delta variant is I can spread it without actually caching or having a bad case of it. Why is that good news? Read my first lines over again. Now all I have to do to spread the truth is breath. I have seen a level of life damaging brain washing with cults. Now I see it with republicans. No matter who they know has died they will still hold on to and believe what they have been told. Sorry if this sounds cold and uncaring. Apparently "the only cure for stupidity is death" is true.
Title: Re: Are you worried about the Coronavirus?
Post by: Kobuk on August 18, 2021, 01:33:41 pm
Covid booster shots to be available supposedly starting on September 20th.
https://www.cnn.com/2021/08/18/health/white-house-covid-boosters/index.html

Although, they already are available now, but only for people with compromised immune systems. Otherwise, everybody else has to wait till Sept. 20th.

From what I've read, you can get a booster shot 8 months AFTER you've had your second dose of the Pfizer or Moderna vaccines. No timeline or decision yet about the J&J vaccine. So, I can't get my booster shot of Moderna until at least Jan. 7th. :(
Title: Re: Are you worried about the Coronavirus?
Post by: cause the rat on August 19, 2021, 02:57:25 pm
I'll get the booster once it becomes available for the rest of us.

My little town just hit 300+ new cases for this month. Way above the amount from last month. That means 300+ people just learned the truth. This month isn't over yet. With an average of 15 cases a day that number should jump up to  around 500. Good. Maybe their friends and families will learn the truth as well.
Title: Re: Are you worried about the Coronavirus?
Post by: cause the rat on August 22, 2021, 09:49:27 am
24 more cases on my small town yesterday alone. And one more death. Used to be able to get covid info from the weather channel. They stopped. So I have to go to Johns Hopkins again.

And speaking of covid info. A conservative radio host from Nashville Ten. just died of covid. Guess the truth shut him up. One more murderer gone. Not sorry for his death. My heart goes out to those he inspired to die.
Title: Re: Are you worried about the Coronavirus?
Post by: cause the rat on August 23, 2021, 01:06:32 pm
38 cases Sat. 14 cases yesterday. In my small town. Apparently the truth is getting around faster these days. And now Trump got a quite and booed response when HE told his followers to get the shots. It took Trump five years to realize you can't kill off your fan base.

There are 'break through' cases of the virus. From what i understand it's far less painful and dangerous. Still it's possible.
Title: Re: Are you worried about the Coronavirus?
Post by: Kobuk on August 29, 2021, 09:35:41 am
You do not have the "constitutional right" to refuse the Covid vaccine.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/08/25/opinions/unvaccinated-cant-use-constitutional-rights-excuse-hamilton-offit/index.html
Title: Re: Are you worried about the Coronavirus?
Post by: cause the rat on August 30, 2021, 02:09:41 am
30 new cases Friday and 15 more Sat. Deaths have just jumped up to 32. That's 32 people who would still be alive if it wasn't for the republican party and their right wing media.

Looks like All of Nebraska and most of Utah is no longer sharing Covid case numbers. Guess they think it will go away if they ignore it.
Title: Re: Are you worried about the Coronavirus?
Post by: Jade Sinapu on August 30, 2021, 12:38:47 pm
You do not have the "constitutional right" to refuse the Covid vaccine.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/08/25/opinions/unvaccinated-cant-use-constitutional-rights-excuse-hamilton-offit/index.html

Thanks for sharing that, Kobuk!
It has been so painless and rewarding to get a vaccine and get back to life.  I still wear a mask in public because Delta is floating around.
But I also hand wash and social distance myself.  If everyone did this, Covid would be a bad memory and no more.
I would like to think that the "founding fathers" (and their children and spouses) would agree that a germ should be stopped, especially when it gets to humongous proportions.  I would love to believe they would be smart enough to see the problem and use any means to stop it.  Why is it now that people are so resistant to change?
blah...

I am still worried about people and how they spread ... any virus... and have no care for my wishes to be healthy.
Title: Re: Are you worried about the Coronavirus?
Post by: cause the rat on August 31, 2021, 05:35:33 am
Two more right wing radio talk show hosts have died of Covid. Good for their communities. Good for the rest of us. Is a shame to think of how many people suffered and or died because of them. The truth finally shut them up. This makes four in the last two weeks.

Just got a memo from where I work. I have a chance to win $5.000 with prof of my getting vaccinated.  That's three $5.000 prizes to be given out! In a company with over a million employees. Ya, I'll pass. We have quite a few employees who haven't been vacced. Kind of doubt this will help change their minds.
Title: Re: Are you worried about the Coronavirus?
Post by: cause the rat on September 08, 2021, 03:02:43 pm
In seven days 194 people in the county I live in have come down with covid. That's almost as many as the first 6 moths of this year. Yet there are still people who claim masks, distancing and the vaccine are all hoaxes. Hopefully 194 of them just learned the truth.
Title: Re: Are you worried about the Coronavirus?
Post by: Kobuk on September 10, 2021, 03:47:32 pm
I like Howard Stern's comments. :)
https://www.cnn.com/2021/09/10/entertainment/howard-stern-vaccine-comments/index.html
Title: Re: Are you worried about the Coronavirus?
Post by: cause the rat on September 11, 2021, 08:34:56 am
Awesome Kobuk! Thanks for posting.

Title: Re: Are you worried about the Coronavirus?
Post by: cause the rat on September 15, 2021, 02:37:04 pm
Yet another right wing radio host has died and finally telling the truth about Covid. I will not feel for him. I will morn for those he murdered.
Title: Re: Are you worried about the Coronavirus?
Post by: Jade Sinapu on September 15, 2021, 07:02:56 pm
I am sick and getting sicker.
I can't shake what this is, and I was vaccinated.
I hope I have a cold.  If I were not in the midst of a pandemic, I would just assume it was a cold.

So yeah, Covid-19 worries me, even if I am pretty sure I do not have it.
It adds more randomness to my day.
Title: Re: Are you worried about the Coronavirus?
Post by: Kobuk on September 15, 2021, 10:54:56 pm
I am sick and getting sicker.
I can't shake what this is, and I was vaccinated.
I hope I have a cold.  If I were not in the midst of a pandemic, I would just assume it was a cold.

So yeah, Covid-19 worries me, even if I am pretty sure I do not have it.
It adds more randomness to my day.

Have you talked to your doctor at all about your condition? Even if you do get covid and have been vaccinated, the symptoms should not be as severe and you may not need to be in a hospital. Also, you should definately NOT go to work if you have covid otherwise you could inadvertantly make other people sick. Or.......maybe you just came down with a case of the flu?
Title: Re: Are you worried about the Coronavirus?
Post by: Jade Sinapu on September 16, 2021, 07:44:51 pm
I have not seen a doctor.
Took day off and slept.
Feeling better, so that is good.  Have till monday to get even better I hope.
I will get a rapid test tomorrow anyway. 
Hurray for DEEP NASAL SWABS!
 :P
Title: Re: Are you worried about the Coronavirus?
Post by: Kobuk on September 16, 2021, 10:10:40 pm
The more I read about coronavirus on the news, the more it sickens me to hear all the unvaccinated spewing their conspiracies and how they don't want to get the vaccine. It's people like those who are holding up this nation (and the rest of the world) from getting back to normal. It's the unvaccinated who are making things worse in this country, not better.

Just shut up and take your damn medicine! Quit acting like a bunch of immature and infantile cry babies and suck it up!  >:(

Title: Re: Are you worried about the Coronavirus?
Post by: cause the rat on September 17, 2021, 07:13:49 am
Kobuk, wet cough good. Dry cough bad. Still best to get checked. Because only 2/3 or 67% of covid cases have dry coughs.

We have a anti vaccer at work who just went to a family members funeral. Died of covid. Have to wait till Monday to see if he is still spewing out his praising the republican party and anti vaccine rhetoric. Both cases and the death toll keeps rising. According to John Hopkins University there has been over 670.000 US deaths. The good news is more than half of our population has at least one of the two shots. It appears that some major right wing media outlets (fox news) is now telling people to get the shots. Guess their ratings went down. All their viewers are dying off. Hopefully these people will come to terms with the fact that it is the right wing media and republican party who murdered their friends, family members and now children.
Title: Re: Are you worried about the Coronavirus?
Post by: Kobuk on September 17, 2021, 09:13:54 am
Kobuk, wet cough good. Dry cough bad. Still best to get checked. Because only 2/3 or 67% of covid cases have dry coughs.

We have a anti vaccer at work who just went to a family members funeral. Died of covid. Have to wait till Monday to see if he is still spewing out his praising the republican party and anti vaccine rhetoric. Both cases and the death toll keeps rising. According to John Hopkins University there has been over 670.000 US deaths. The good news is more than half of our population has at least one of the two shots. It appears that some major right wing media outlets (fox news) is now telling people to get the shots. Guess their ratings went down. All their viewers are dying off. Hopefully these people will come to terms with the fact that it is the right wing media and republican party who murdered their friends, family members and now children.

And the bad news of that is that some people tend to believe that's all they need is just one shot when in reality it actually takes 2 shots to be fully vaccinated.
The Pfizer and Moderna vaccines require 2 shots to be effective.
The Johnson & Johnson vaccine is 1 shot.
And booster shots "may" be needed, but the FDA and CDC are still discussing that at the moment. If boosters are needed, I'm getting one. No hesitation from me. :)
Title: Re: Are you worried about the Coronavirus?
Post by: Kobuk on September 17, 2021, 01:35:38 pm
Well, this is slightly good news. :) I got the Moderna vaccine back in April/May. What did everybody else get?

https://www.cnn.com/2021/09/17/health/moderna-vaccine-most-effective-cdc-study/index.html


On a side note........

Sticks sign on front door of my cafe/coffee shop: "Masks required. No exceptions. Furs who refuse to wear a mask and/or are unvaccinated must order and pick up outside by the kitchen window. "
Title: Re: Are you worried about the Coronavirus?
Post by: Jade Sinapu on September 17, 2021, 09:23:47 pm
I got the second pfizer shot on April 21st 2021.
There were few side effects for me, and no different than any vac I've gotten. 
Unfortunately I did not develop super powers, or grow fur IRL.
I hardly felt the shot.  Needles do not bother me anymore so I'm relaxed getting shots. 

I am confused on the hesitation from some.
I often think this,  God gave us a brain,  use it. Get the shot.
And for non believers I say,  see the science, get the shot.
We have freedoms,  but to the point of infringing on others freedoms and safety? Idk.

When I went to college I had to show proof of vaccines before going.  I'm glad students had meningitis vaccines. 
I wish people would get the covid shot, then we can get back to life.
Title: Re: Are you worried about the Coronavirus?
Post by: cause the rat on September 18, 2021, 03:24:43 am
Went to our local wallmart today. Big sign on the doors asking for all shoppers to wear masks. America is now over 672000 deaths. And 41.993000+ confirmed cases. Guess places are trying their best to keep as many people alive as possible. There were 405000+ American deaths in WWII. With a total of 1,079000+ total casualties. Republicans and right wing media have killed off more Americans AND caused more Americans to suffer than nazi Germany.

Title: Re: Are you worried about the Coronavirus?
Post by: Kobuk on September 20, 2021, 05:19:58 pm
It's official. Covid has now killed more people in America than the 1918 flu pandemic.  :o  :'(

https://www.cnn.com/2021/09/20/health/us-covid-deaths-surpass-1918-pandemic/index.html
Title: Re: Are you worried about the Coronavirus?
Post by: Jade Sinapu on September 20, 2021, 11:53:04 pm
Well shoot... I was wondering when that was going to be the case.
All I know is my grandmother was in the womb when that flu pandemic struck the world.  She had second had stories from her parents to tell us.
It was awful.  Well here we are in a pandemic.

Title: Re: Are you worried about the Coronavirus?
Post by: Kobuk on October 01, 2021, 03:35:29 pm
Don't forget to get your flu shots this year, folks! We don't want a double whammy of sick people in the hospital who didn't get the covid and flu shots. That will really tax the health care system to the breaking point.

And don't give me or others any damn excuses for not getting one!  >:( Suck it up and get the shot!
Title: Re: Are you worried about the Coronavirus?
Post by: cause the rat on October 01, 2021, 08:50:39 pm
Getting the flue shot as soon as they are offered for free at work.

200+ a week now. That's how many in the county I live in are coming down with covid.
Title: Re: Are you worried about the Coronavirus?
Post by: cause the rat on October 14, 2021, 12:57:36 pm
Three people at work now have covid. Until further notice we all have to go back to wearing masks. So if the delta variant has an incubation period of three to four days than it's a bit to late.  Those unvaxed who have been exposed to it may already have it.  And if they have it they have already spread it. A mask isn't going to do them any good.
Title: Re: Are you worried about the Coronavirus?
Post by: Jade Sinapu on October 14, 2021, 04:05:06 pm
A mask will grab some exhaled particles from the infected persons.  Since viruses are so tiny, they can be stuck against fabrics from moisture or static.  So they work still, just need changed or cleaned periodically.

I do worry about the next variant.  People are still allowing themselves to be breeder reactors for this germ. 
It is tiring, and I want it to be over.  So I wish all people would do all they can do to stop this thing.
Title: Re: Are you worried about the Coronavirus?
Post by: cause the rat on October 15, 2021, 01:34:07 pm
Jade. I know masks work. Just seems kinda silly to mandate wearing masks after the fact. All three employees have already been at work. I know it will help keep it from spreading farther. To a point. Most of the anti vaxer and anti mask people are wearing masks that do them no good. You can see right through them.
Title: Re: Are you worried about the Coronavirus?
Post by: Jade Sinapu on October 18, 2021, 04:11:58 pm
I call those the ' I dream of genie ' masks.  See though sheer fabric.  Wear pantyhose on your head might do more.
Title: Re: Are you worried about the Coronavirus?
Post by: Jade Sinapu on October 20, 2021, 06:06:20 pm
Just heard a co-workers mother has had a so-called break through case.
She was vaccinated 2 times and healthy.  She slipped into a coma within 3 days of symptoms.  Her future is in the hands of fate/gods/non-science things now.

Yeah, this virus still bothers me!
Title: Re: Are you worried about the Coronavirus?
Post by: cause the rat on October 21, 2021, 05:49:19 am
And now there is a new Delta variant. AY 4.2 Not much is known about it yet. Mostly in England. But there has been cases of it here in the states.
Title: Re: Are you worried about the Coronavirus?
Post by: Kobuk on October 21, 2021, 10:10:01 pm
And now there is a new Delta variant. AY 4.2 Not much is known about it yet. Mostly in England. But there has been cases of it here in the states.

I have not heard of cases of this new variant in the U.S.. Only in the UK. But I shouldn't be surprised. The coronavirus will keep mutating whenever possible.
Title: Re: Are you worried about the Coronavirus?
Post by: Kobuk on November 08, 2021, 01:41:31 pm
How low can politicians go? Ted Cruz just proved it.  :P What an imbecile.  >:(

https://www.cnn.com/2021/11/08/politics/ted-cruz-vaccines-big-bird/index.html
Title: Re: Are you worried about the Coronavirus?
Post by: Jade Sinapu on November 08, 2021, 02:55:38 pm
Just heard a co-workers mother has had a so-called break through case.
She was vaccinated 2 times and healthy.  She slipped into a coma within 3 days of symptoms.  Her future is in the hands of fate/gods/non-science things now.

Yeah, this virus still bothers me!

I neglected to mention that 2 weeks ago I was with my coworker when he was talking with his mom.  The week after that she died.
Her breakthrough case went real bad fast, and then got better, then bad again.  The virus is unpredictable for some people.
We all thought she was in the clear.

Unlike the flu.  I have had the full blown flu.  It makes me progressively sicker, till I beat it, then it goes away.  Same with colds.  The COVID-19 seems to be a real sneaky thing. 
So yeah it worries me some.

Title: Re: Are you worried about the Coronavirus?
Post by: cause the rat on November 08, 2021, 07:00:40 pm
Just read an article from "Republicanworld". Yes, a republican publication. And they are telling the truth!!!? A republican publication? Anyway the AY 4.2 variant is more  transmissible but has the same level of danger. It's been found in both NY and Cal now.

Just spent 5 hours in a hospital this morning. All but 15 minutes without a mask. I'll know in five days.
Title: Re: Are you worried about the Coronavirus?
Post by: cause the rat on November 26, 2021, 05:01:01 pm
There's a new variant. B.1.1. 526. It's significant enough to have been named. Omicron. It has 30 variants in it's protein. This makes it even more contagious. However it's not known if it's deadlier. It is prompting travel bans to South Africa and surrounding countries.

https://www.cnn.com/world/live-news/new-covid-variant-south-africa-11-26-21 (https://www.cnn.com/world/live-news/new-covid-variant-south-africa-11-26-21)
Title: Re: Are you worried about the Coronavirus?
Post by: Kobuk on November 27, 2021, 11:59:54 am
There's a new variant. B.1.1. 526. It's significant enough to have been named. Omicron. It has 30 variants in it's protein. This makes it even more contagious. However it's not known if it's deadlier. It is prompting travel bans to South Africa and surrounding countries.

https://www.cnn.com/world/live-news/new-covid-variant-south-africa-11-26-21 (https://www.cnn.com/world/live-news/new-covid-variant-south-africa-11-26-21)

Yep, it's all over the news. But am I worried about another variant? Sort of. I mean, yeah, it is concerning. But people have to realise that this is what viruses do all the time: they mutate. They don't stand still. Anybody who has ever taken Biology (or other science) in school should understand this. Will Omicron be the last variant of the coronavirus? Nope. Will the coronavirus ever go away or be beaten? Nope. Not as long as this virus keeps mutating. This is what nature does, folks.
Will travel bans work? Not likely. It's like closing the barn doors after the cows have already left the barn. People are going to travel in one way or another. We humans are a "migratory species". We are constantly going from one place on this planet to another for various reasons. We can't sit still.
Viruses don't sleep. They are everywhere. Other than the scientists and medical professionals trying to combat this virus, it also falls on the ordinary citizens to do their part as well by maintaining social distancing, washing hands, covering mouth when sneezing or coughing, and the most important thing of all: getting vaccinated. Until scientists are able to come up with a 100% effective vaccine against this virus, I'll continue with the Phizer or Moderna ones that are 90%+ effective. I'd rather have "something" to help protect me than "nothing".

Lies, conspiracies, half truths, and fake news will not protect you.

Science, listening to your doctor, and getting vaccinated will! ;)
Title: Re: Are you worried about the Coronavirus?
Post by: cause the rat on December 02, 2021, 12:48:52 am
Another murder has died of Covid. Unfortunately his wife is continuing with his message. Making it sound as if it wasn't covid that killed him. "His heart just gave out."

https://www.cnn.com/2021/12/01/media/marcus-lamb-covid-death/index.html (https://www.cnn.com/2021/12/01/media/marcus-lamb-covid-death/index.html)
Title: Re: Are you worried about the Coronavirus?
Post by: Jade Sinapu on December 02, 2021, 11:09:32 am
I do worry about Omicron.  Sounds like a lot of mutations at once.  The virus is adaptable. 
People let it mutate, they will now think vaccines do nothing, people will give up and it will mutate more.
I see a potential for acceleration due to people's stupidity.
The virus takes advantage of our social and political weaknesses.
The virus is putting up more of a united front against humanity than we are against it.  And it has no intelligence.
Title: Re: Are you worried about the Coronavirus?
Post by: Kobuk on December 03, 2021, 09:18:10 pm
Just got my booster shot today. As the old saying goes: An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. :)
Title: Re: Are you worried about the Coronavirus?
Post by: Alex on December 09, 2021, 03:33:13 pm
Nice, Kobuk! I got mine on Black Friday. My arm was sore for a few days after I got it, but other than that it wasn't bad.
Title: Re: Are you worried about the Coronavirus?
Post by: cause the rat on December 27, 2021, 02:06:26 pm
Well would you look at that. X president trump told the truth on right wing media about the vaccine. Now right wing media is explaining away what was said. Why? Because you can't continue to kill people if those you rely on start telling the truth.
Title: Re: Are you worried about the Coronavirus?
Post by: Chewy, God of Rats on December 28, 2021, 12:40:24 am
As someone who has several "Trump can do no wrong" "Vaccine is bad" family members. When I asked what they thought about Trump saying to get the vaccine they respond with either "no, he's just saying that to please the fake news media" and "well actually, he may have said that, but what he actual means is the vaccine is bad but he can't say its bad". Absolutely delusional.
Title: Re: Are you worried about the Coronavirus?
Post by: cause the rat on December 30, 2021, 05:36:28 am
Chewy. I have friends at work who refuse to get the vaccine. They're always saying "well you hear this from these people and that from those..." I asked them about research done by hospitals and universities. The answer I get is "That doesn't matter." I stopped caring. As fare as I'm concerned if if your dumb enough to think that actual research doesn't matter you deserve what you get. Let them die.
Title: Re: Are you worried about the Coronavirus?
Post by: Jade Sinapu on December 30, 2021, 04:36:36 pm
I also have run into this with some coworkers as well.  Particularly one.
He was encouraged to get the shot because he needed it for the job.  He was given the ability to work from home and also skirt the laws.  He  was allowed to work without a vaccine if he did the tests, wore mask, kept distance, etc. 
He quit after faking a bad lower back accident (to buy time) and that is another story altogether.
Why did he quit?

He wasn't going to get the shots, and work needed them.  He believed that all vaccines were some sort of plot to control him.

He still sends me texts to this day (6 months now) about blatant misinformation regarding all vaccines.
I had no idea so many people felt this way.

This guy and I were like brothers.  We chatted about everything, went to lunches together, and helped each other with non works things at times.
I was sad to see him go.  He did good work, was and is smart, and a good person.

But somehow, despite all those great qualities, he believed so strongly in something that has so little evidence to support.  It blew my mind. 
I kept trying to use logic to show him he had less to worry about than he thought.  I appealed to his sense of logic and scientific thinking.
But I failed. 

I pointed out all the coworkers who were vaccinated and how free they were, and how they are not having reactions to the shots.  He would say that we do not know the long term effects.  I would respond , true, but that is true of many things in life, we all take on risks.  He would respond that he didn't want the risk.  I said we were in a pandemic, if there ever was a time for heroisim, now was it, what was the hold up?
No matter what I would say, he would say against it.

I appealed to his sense of doing right, and morals.  That did not work either.
I wanted him to stay.

He got sick from covid, his pregnant wife got sick, his daughters did too.  His stay at home wife was the most ill.  This makes sense to me.  His young kid was young and that helps her.  HI unborn is protected by placenta and fluids and mom.  He got ill and it took him like 2 weeks to be able to breathe well enough to walk.  But his wife, being of different genes than him and the kids, suffered worst.  I've see her, she is fit and active.  This does not matter. 
I watch everything unfold before me unto him, and it was as I expected.  I got angry and told him that THIS is why he should have gotten a shot.  To protect her, kids, him.  Kids need him.  Family needs all to be well.  This made him mad and did not change his mind at all.

I learned it was futile dealing with him on this topic.  So I let it "die".

How can some people blatantly choose to not see what is in their face, and yet believe so strongly in things that have no evidence whatsoever.  Like conspiracy theories, and more.

So I worry about Coronavirus because people are not taking it as serious as any other virus.  They think we are not in a pandemic, for reasons that outwardly look to me, ridiculous.
And I am being gentle with that statement.

And what burns me up is these same people will not believe the science behind the covid vaccines, and yet use things everyday which revolve on sound science.  How can one pick and choose what they want to be truth?  Madness!

Title: Re: Are you worried about the Coronavirus?
Post by: Kobuk on December 30, 2021, 06:18:30 pm
Jade, no matter how hard some people try to convince others to get the vaccine, stop believing lies and conspiracies, etc., etc., some people just won't listen. They've made up their minds. All you can do is let them go. The fools will eventually learn the consequences of their actions at some point and time. And when they do, it will be too late.

I'd say a lot more, but I don't want to turn this into a giant soapbox. I'm as frustrated as you are, Jade. But there's little I can do when nobody will listen.

As the old saying goes, "You can't fix stupid."
Title: Re: Are you worried about the Coronavirus?
Post by: Kobuk on January 03, 2022, 08:26:14 pm
The more I keep reading on the news about the covid pandemic, the more I am seeing various places like stores, restaurants, movie theaters, etc. require people to be vaccinated, show proof of vaccination, and/or wear a mask. Actually, this might be a good thing. ;)

State and/or Federal mandates to be masked and/or get vaccinated are facing a lot of pushback from people. I think if we were to drop the mandates and instead let businesses make their own policies, that might work out better. Let me give you an analogy:

When you were young, your parents probably told you to eat what's on your plate or there'd be no dessert or you could go to bed. Well, the same could almost be said for vaccines and such. You want to watch that movie in the theater? Then get vaccinated. You want to shop in our store? Then wear a mask. And if people don't want to do those things, then too bad. They can go without while the rest of the fully vaccinated people can enjoy society. :)

The more people see that stores and businesses are requiring customers to be vaccinated and such, the more incentive they might have for going to get vaccinated, etc.

It's like the old phrase: "You have to pay if you want to play.".
Title: Re: Are you worried about the Coronavirus?
Post by: Jade Sinapu on January 04, 2022, 11:16:23 am
Kobuk, I agree!

I am okay with watching a movie with a mask on (between eating/drinking), and having 2 empty seats between me and next person. 
I go into a fast food place with mask on.  Or do drive through with mask on even.  Why is this so hard?  I go to store with mask on.  I feel okay doing so, not self conscious.

At Denfur 2021, I was vaccinated, wore screaming bright yellow arm band showing proof of this.  Wore mask when human or as fursuited self! 
I never got ill from that event either!  The arm band has a tail that dangled out of the suit sleeve so you could not literally hide it well.  It was a good con, and people who ran it apparently understood science.  Hurray for furs being intelligent!

So, I am saying, so far I am still living my life, and others are not because they are not vaccinated. 
Why can't others do same as I have?  I believe in a god, and it wants me to use my brain to help myself and others.  So I did, I got a shot.  So many people are afraid of supposed side-effects of the shot, and yet turn their backs to the proven issues the live virus causes in a human host.  STUPID.

I do work with one man whose daughter CAN NOT be vaccinated.  Here is why.  Every shot she gets makes her very ill.  She is allergic to most shots, has bad asthma, allergies, is autistic which according to him can aggravate her ability to deal with the stress of allergies and asthma.  So she can not get Covid shot because she can't get any shot.  She is one of the FEW exemptions based on medical reasons.  She can apparently prove her issues, and this is real.  She has been this way from birth.

For those who do not want a shot, they should be forced to use medical records (from pre covid days) to prove they are indeed allergic to shots, or have several complicating factors like she has.
How do OTHER countries fair?
Is it just good-ole-U.S.-of-A. who is acting so backwards?
Title: Re: Are you worried about the Coronavirus?
Post by: cause the rat on January 08, 2022, 10:32:41 pm
418 new covid cases in my county in the last five days. Death toll is up as well. Anytime someone says they know someone who's got the virus I respond with 'Praise the republican party!"
Title: Re: Are you worried about the Coronavirus?
Post by: Firelight on January 12, 2022, 09:16:53 pm
I'm still singing Hakuna Matata over here  :D
Title: Re: Are you worried about the Coronavirus?
Post by: cause the rat on January 14, 2022, 04:52:47 am
795 in nine days now. And they are still holding on to the lies. I have a new slogan. Republicans have hospital and funeral bills. Americans know the shots are free.
Title: Re: Are you worried about the Coronavirus?
Post by: cause the rat on January 15, 2022, 06:17:33 pm
Another murderer has died.

https://www.cnn.com/videos/media/2022/01/15/covid-19-anti-vaccine-deaths-mockery-smerconish-vpx.cnn (https://www.cnn.com/videos/media/2022/01/15/covid-19-anti-vaccine-deaths-mockery-smerconish-vpx.cnn)

In this report it's mentioned about mocking anti vaxer deaths. Do I personally think it's wrong to mock someone who's own opinion has caused others to suffer or die? No. This person was a murderer. This person promoted the suffering of others by knowing spreading lies. I will feel for those she murdered. I'm happy she's dead. I hope her death saves lives.

938 people have come down with covid in my county in the last 12 days.
Title: Re: Are you worried about the Coronavirus?
Post by: Kobuk on January 16, 2022, 12:49:20 pm
Throughout society, there have been various "class" struggles.

Haves vs. Have Nots
Rich vs. Poor

Now we can add another one: Vaccinated vs. Unvaccinated.

While the people who do wear masks and get vaccinated get to enjoy the "perks" of life like eating in a restaurant, going to a concert, shopping in a store, or even..........going to a furry con, the unvaccinated are getting left out and left behind. Too bad, so sad. If the unvaccinated want to "get back into society" and not feel like second class citizens, then they know what they need to do. But they don't and won't. It's getting ugly in Europe right now. Is America next?
https://www.cnn.com/2022/01/16/europe/europe-covid-unvaccinated-society-cmd-intl/index.html
Title: Re: Are you worried about the Coronavirus?
Post by: cause the rat on January 16, 2022, 06:33:31 pm
Kobuk, There is one real difference between what happens if an anti-vaxer  goes to a hospital in Europe or America. In Europe the government pays your hospital bill. We pay our own. Possibly what's driving these harsher measures in European countries. What I would like to see in Europe. Make the unvaxed pay either the entire or a large portion of any medical bill from any treatment of covid. All thee harsher restrictions are doing is making easier for religious extremists to proclaim the vaccine is the mark of the beast. It's easy to see what these European governments are trying to do. Protect people. But they are actively shooting themselves in the food with these measures.
Title: Re: Are you worried about the Coronavirus?
Post by: Jade Sinapu on January 18, 2022, 06:57:14 pm
I do not understand why there is any connection between religion and vaccines. 
Does the bible say "thou shalt not vaccinate".  I would be suprised if it even mentioned the words vaccine or inoculation.  Many portions were written by people hundreds of years after the events they relate.   
I do remember bible saying to be good stewards of the earth.  Obviously open to interpretation (all of religion is) but I take that to mean, make good use of resources, do not make animals extinct, work with nature.  The virus is from nature.  Immune system in body is from nature.  Bolster immune response with a vaccine made from the virus which nature made.  Sounds good.

What I worry about the virus is , again, the people who aid it by being silly in their actions and words.
Title: Re: Are you worried about the Coronavirus?
Post by: cause the rat on January 19, 2022, 02:00:36 pm
Kobuk No, there are no such message in the Bible. And after studying it for over four years in Hebrew, Cheltic, Latin and Greek I can confidently say this is just another extremist measure to use the Bible to harm. The only connection between scripture and what's happening is this. The mark is placed on the forehead or hand. Those who don't have the mark are refused services like buying food and shelter. So refusing to allow unvaxed people to do things only "proves' it's the mark of the beast. This can only be done by neglecting a few hundred other scriptures. Propaganda is done by taking a small portion of the truth. Then deny the rest. The problem with extremists is self justification. If you hear the virus strikes down the wicked. Then see your fellow followers die. Simply proclaim them as wicked.
Title: Re: Are you worried about the Coronavirus?
Post by: Kobuk on January 19, 2022, 08:03:48 pm
Kobuk No, there are no such message in the Bible. And after studying it for over four years in Hebrew, Cheltic, Latin and Greek I can confidently say this is just another extremist measure to use the Bible to harm. The only connection between scripture and what's happening is this. The mark is placed on the forehead or hand. Those who don't have the mark are refused services like buying food and shelter. So refusing to allow unvaxed people to do things only "proves' it's the mark of the beast. This can only be done by neglecting a few hundred other scriptures. Propaganda is done by taking a small portion of the truth. Then deny the rest. The problem with extremists is self justification. If you hear the virus strikes down the wicked. Then see your fellow followers die. Simply proclaim them as wicked.

I think you have me confused with Jade. He mentioned religion. I didn't.
Title: Re: Are you worried about the Coronavirus?
Post by: cause the rat on January 20, 2022, 12:54:42 am
Kobuk, my left eye doesn't know what my right eye is doing. :)
Title: Re: Are you worried about the Coronavirus?
Post by: Jade Sinapu on January 22, 2022, 03:49:27 pm
Our workplace has 15 out with active covid.  I am not sick.  We are at risk of losing customer satisfaction as well as contracts  because people are too ill to get out of bed much less work.
That's one thing a vaccine is good for,  keeping economy going.

I hope things get better.  Covid might make them do layoffs if revenue drops too much for too long.
Title: Re: Are you worried about the Coronavirus?
Post by: Mister Initial Man on January 29, 2022, 08:42:13 pm
I am vaccinated, my parents are not.  Part of it is my Mother does NOT trust the vaccination and the speed at which it was put out.  She's elderly (turns 70 this year), diabetic, has extremely high stress, on a load of meds, and I do believe being a woman also increases chances of side effects; and those side effects are what terrifies her.

She's not at all against vaccines in general; she's even been vaccinated against smallpox and polio and thinks I should get pre-exposure vaccines against rabies due to bats around my house, she's just terrified about THIS one; and "terrified" is the word she used.

It does not improve her views of this whole thing when her brother-in-law, a medical doctor--tells her of covid deaths amongst those who have quadruple bypasses, smoke like chimneys, drink like fish, weigh what Mom and I do put together, and more likely happened to have covid when their bodies finally noped out of all the abuse than actually died of covid.

It also doesn't help that those who have been vaccinated still got the disease.

As for my Dad, I don't think he knows covid is going on--and honestly, if he died of covid, I'd be relieved for his sake.  Any of you who had to watch a relative disintegrate mentally will understand how I feel.
Title: Re: Are you worried about the Coronavirus?
Post by: Jade Sinapu on January 31, 2022, 09:18:48 am
Mister Initial Man,
Sorry to hear about your dad, my best friend's mom passed after a long ordeal with a degenerating mind.

My brother has had covid 3 times.  He is currently ill again.  His body is constantly immersed in covid due to children, and also the schools are not taking it seriously here.
My brother keeps getting sick before he can get well again.  This covid can take months to clear from someone.  A co-worker who is a pro-mountain biker, took 3 months to recover from covid.  So healthy doesn't matter.
I see this around me and know what it can do.  So Coronavirus still worries me.  I just keep on going.

Title: Re: Are you worried about the Coronavirus?
Post by: cause the rat on February 17, 2022, 04:41:52 pm
A new variant is on the rise. This one is even more contagious and dangerous than the Delta variant.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/02/17/health/ba-2-covid-severity/index.html (https://www.cnn.com/2022/02/17/health/ba-2-covid-severity/index.html)

Booster shots have shown to only have a 74% chance of stopping this new variant. Being more contagious and deadlier means more misinformed people are going to be murdered by republican and right wing media.
Title: Re: Are you worried about the Coronavirus?
Post by: Jade Sinapu on February 18, 2022, 01:46:54 pm
 The misinformed or stubborn,  are also in large part responsible for ease at which variants progress. 
Virus needs a host to replicate and form a variant.
Again people's lack of serious reaction to covid is what bothers me.
Let's just kill this thing.
Title: Re: Are you worried about the Coronavirus?
Post by: cause the rat on February 19, 2022, 03:23:19 am
Conflicting reports and results on the new variant. Should know in at least a week for everything to get confirmed. Real science isn't like right wing media. You have to have real results from real studies from real scientists and doctors. This takes time.
Title: Re: Are you worried about the Coronavirus?
Post by: Simo on February 22, 2022, 03:55:55 am
No.
Title: Re: Are you worried about the Coronavirus?
Post by: cause the rat on February 22, 2022, 04:24:13 pm
The black plague was caused by the alignment of the planets. This created a miasma that coated our world. You have to keep a balance of the four humors, blood, phlegm, black bile and yellow bile to stay healthy. I said all of that to say this. Modern medical practices are less than 200 years old. It wasn't until the mid 1800.s that modern medicine dropped the idea of the 'four humors'. In those two hundred years we've advanced to doing organ transplants and fighting, even curing cancers. All this done by the same people right wing media calls lairs and 'fake news'.

This pandemic is far from over. Let them die.

Honestly haven't checked but so far no real news on Ba.2. The good news is they haven't given it a name.
Title: Re: Are you worried about the Coronavirus?
Post by: Jade Sinapu on February 24, 2022, 11:13:33 am
My work place has had 3 people connected to work, DIE of covid.  None were vaccinated.
We needed those people.   The loss of them has rippled into our company.  The employees who are relatives to the deceased are lost, sad, making big mistakes, not showing up to work because they are so distraught. and costing us dearly.  It is not either fault. The vaccine may have saved them.  Now we ALL suffer.
This is what concerns me.  In a time when America needs to be strong with world nuclear powers fighting, now is not the time to have this weakness creep in.  I see getting a vaccine as a sign of strength. 
I see when people are reluctant to do what is right, I see it as a potential sign of weakness.  And other countries might too.
Title: Re: Are you worried about the Coronavirus?
Post by: Jade Sinapu on April 20, 2022, 12:33:19 pm
moved from elsewhere...

I have been participating in VARES since I got my vaccines.  I still get contacted.  I have no adverse reports.  I am not lying.  There are no microchips in me nor am I a GMO now.
Spoiler: show
I downloaded the VARES data set, all 100MB of it.  If you filter for DEATH, you will see that most are elderly, and in the OTHER notes section, all had preexisting medical issues including diabetes, heart diesaes, alzheimers, hypertension, obesity, chronic kidney issues, COPD, allergies, etc.  And for many the NUMDAYS field has large numbers meaning whatever happened took a while to kill them. And for those who died, and the LAB NOTES shows "died despite being vaccinated" these people were old.  This is all common sense.  Be in good health, and as you age, avoid sick people and do what you can to protect yourself.  Nothing new.
I did my homework.  OF the 99,000 adverse records reported this year, only a fraction are from Covid shots.  And this file is 99,000 people, not all the others who received any vaccine and did not get any adverse reaction.  And when you read some of the "adverse reactions" it is "nervousness", "fast heart beat" and the like.  And again this data is for ALL vaccines.  When I got my first Covid shot only one man in the large room of maybe 30 people reported anything and it was clear to us all he was panicking out of fear of needles.  Many of us tried not to laugh.  So many "adverse" reactions are psychosomatic.

Furthermore, if you filter out all who DID NOT have allergies, or medical issues reported or were taking medications for issues, and then filter for people who died, you will get many OLD people.  Then if you see suspected reasons for death, most are COVID+ test.  Some are breakthrough cases.  This is expected, and is the part of the population we all were trying to protect.  Again, your body fights the virus not the vaccine.  So in other words, healthy people, if old, can die of covid. 

And to summarize more, if you are ill, and get vaccinated, you may die of a virus, or your chronic issue.

People know that vaccines are never 100% effective.  Neither is natural immunity. For this reason, people often use best judgement, and social distance, and isolate.  Be it the cold, flu, covid, ebola etc.  My brother was vaccinated AFTER getting covid 2 times.  He now has long-haul covid.  He can barely take care of his kids.  I have been around those who were carrying covid and never developed debilitating issues.  I did get a cold like set of symptoms.  Vaccine did what it was supposed to.  It readied my body for the real virus.  My body fought it.  If I was older, there might be nothing to stop it since vaccines only train the body to fight.  If the body is old it can't fight.  Most old people die of heart issues, strokes, or infections.  My grandmother died of septicemia.  Her immune system could not keep her gut bacteria where it should be.

There is now an ebola vaccine.  @Simo.  Ebola mortality rate is upwards of 90%,. minimum of 60%.  Ebola vaccine effectiveness is high.  Vaccines work.

The covid vaccine was engineered the same way many vaccines are for animal use.  The recombination messenger DNA used to make the spike protein does cause cells in the immediate injection area to make some spike proteins, but never is a virus alive.  The body then sees the proteins and gears up the immune system.  Later the body is ready to attack any invading virus with this protein.  SO in a way, the vaccine triggers the body into making those proteins, but that is all.

My parents had Polio vaccine, and I wonder if you did to Simo?  That was a LIVE vaccine.  Meaning a live partially pasteurized virus was injected in you.  In some cases, the virus gained its former strength and made the person ill with polio.  However, my mom remembers visiting a polio hospital, and saw a lot of crippled children.  So viruses can maim.  But all we had at that time was a live virus vaccine.  So who in their right mind would do nothing and let it be "god's will" when people are becoming crippled all around them?  I see it that it is God's will I be smart enough to do something about the calamity.  If they could have made a recombinant messenger DNA vaccine for Polio they would have because they want to minimize risk to patient many of whom were children.

I have had all of these shots, and probably more.

Mumps,
Measles
Rubella
Tetanus
HPV (yes)
Diphtheria
pertussis
seasonal Flu
Varicella
Hep B
Meningitis

I rarely get the flu
I never got any of the other illnesses listed here.
I got chickenpox and wish there had been a vaccine for it.
My parents again saw people with polio, typhoid, bad cases of Flu, whooping cough, and LOTS of measles.

My mom lived in an area of poverty in rural Arkansas in the late 1950's and had Yellow fever, measles 2 times, whooping cough .  This is backed up by other family members stories , the whole family was sick.
I never had those issues.  I had a neighbor who had scarlet fever and went deaf.  Her name was Marry Anne Cress.  She is probably deceased now.  She told me the story.  Viruses maim.

So again science in our country is a victim of its success.  Because we pushed these things into submission, they do not happen with much regularity, so why should any one get a shot?
after all "they don't work". But go to Africa, or Congo, they are screaming for any and all vaccines.  Yet corrupt governments and lack of infrastructure do not allow many to get help.
How lucky we are to have such smart people working to protect us, and to help us, and we CAN have a choice!

We as a country failed the test due to our arrogance.  If this were a strain of like airborne ebola, we would all be breathing the stench of corpses.
In our country a little knowledge is dangerous.  In many parts of the world, girls struggle to get a book to read so they can learn math. 
The biggest enemy of the species are the backward people unwilling to learn.
Title: Re: Are you worried about the Coronavirus?
Post by: Simo on April 20, 2022, 07:10:27 pm
moved from elsewhere...

I have been participating in VARES since I got my vaccines.  I still get contacted.  I have no adverse reports.  I am not lying.  There are no microchips in me nor am I a GMO now.

I don't doubt that you're not being honest here. You played vaccine roulette and the hammer fell on an empty cylinder. I hope for your sake that the adverse events don't happen, but as for what the consequences are two years, five years, ten years down the line are anyone's guess at this point in time. As for the nonsense about microchips, I suspect this is a psy-op to make the vaccine skeptics look cray-cray. I am quite familiar with the technology, and the only microchip that could be injected is less capable than an M6800 or an 8084 (remember those?)

...Nor am I a GMO now": I wouldn't be too sure of that: Clicky: Swedish Study (https://www.theepochtimes.com/pfizers-covid-19-vaccine-goes-into-liver-cells-and-is-converted-to-dna-study_4307594.html).

"The covid vaccine was engineered the same way many vaccines are for animal use  The recombination messenger DNA used to make the spike protein does cause cells in the immediate injection area to make some spike proteins, but never is a virus alive.  The body then sees the proteins and gears up the immune system".

No it isn't. These so-called "vaccines" are a never before tried in humans, inadequately tested, genetic modification. Vaccines have always used either a dead virus or bacterium, or what are called "attenuated" virii or bacteria -- still alive, but unable to manifest as disease. "My parents had Polio vaccine, and I wonder if you did to Simo?" You're comparing "apples to oranges" here.

When your immune system attacks your own cells, there's a name for that: autoimmune disorder.

"And when you read some of the "adverse reactions" it is "nervousness", "fast heart beat" and the like.  And again this data is for ALL vaccines.  When I got my first Covid shot only one man in the large room of maybe 30 people reported anything and it was clear to us all he was panicking out of fear of needles.  Many of us tried not to laugh.  So many "adverse" reactions are psychosomatic".

Your callous disregard for the elderly and vaccine victims is duly noted. Your IRL name wouldn't happen to be Coumo?   :D

"If they could have made a recombinant messenger DNA vaccine for Polio they would have because they want to minimize risk to patient many of whom were children".

You say that like it's a bad thing.   :D

Yes, I had the polio vax, and small pox, and all those on your list in addition to rabies. All of which have a very LOOOOOOOONG history of effacacy and safety going back many decades. In the case of rabies, a century and  a half. None of these was rushed out at "Warp Speed". I remember what happened the last vtime a vaccine was put out at "Warp Speed": the swine flu vax of 1976. There was the same panic over what was expected to be an especially virulent strain of the flu. Pers. Gerald Ford promised a dose for every American. He was widely ridiculed, it couldn't be done. so they said. Even some of Ford's supporters agreed. Yet it was done. Then there were all the "public service" announcements encouraging everyone to get the swine flu shots. After some 10,000+ adverse events, and 53 deaths, the swine flu vaccine was recalled. This cost Big Pharma $BILLIONS. Enough that Big Pharma lobbied for legal immunity. They got it in 1986, and the other senile old fool in the White House, Ronald Reagan, signed it into law. But 1976 was a saner time.

"There is now an ebola vaccine.  @Simo.  Ebola mortality rate is upwards of 90%,. minimum of 60%.  Ebola vaccine effectiveness is high.  Vaccines work"

More false equivalency: this cold bug isn't anything even close to ebola.

I suspect you haven't done your "homework" with due diligence.
Title: Re: Are you worried about the Coronavirus?
Post by: Jade Sinapu on April 20, 2022, 08:45:42 pm
I was noting how an Ebola vaccine is effective.  This shows vaccines can be effective.  And against a very deadly virus.

I am not callous against elderly.  I was noting that the numbers show that as people age,  their survival rate decreases and other chronic issues increase.  This is not new.  And this is shown in that data set.

An Intel 8504 die ( or do you mean 8080) or a Motorola 6800 die can not circulate in the blood stream they are several millimeters in size. They would be like a clot, wouldn't they?

I play odds each day.  I drive in bad traffic,  have done reckless things as a youth,  had a loaded gun put to my head by a so called friend and the trigger pulled.  I am still here.   I've been electrocuted 2 times.  I've been in car accidents,  been very I'll,  tried to commit suicide once.  But I'm here.
Statistics do not work like you may be imagining them.  Or God loves me and keeps me alive.  When millions receive doses,  and few have adverse reactions,  and fewer die, that shows that my experience  of no adverse reactions was the norm, not the exception .

It is easy to spread fear.  especially about what hasn't happened yet. Of all my vaccines,  why haven't I had any long term health issues from them ?  I only can complain of mild hypertension,  and that is because I use too much caffeine and am overweight.  No allergies,  mild joint pain but does not need treatment. That's it.  So nothing has changed for me in 2 years.  I can't say the covid vaccine harmed me at all.  No one at work has complained either. 

Just because covid vaccine was fast tracked,  why does that mean it is unsafe?  Maybe people worked 24/7 in shift work like it was WW2. Also being an engineer,  I've seen how there were breakthroughs in progress.  One week you are behind,  next you are ahead of schedule. 

I guess I'm more courageous than you Simo.  I took the vaccine because I was not afraid of it, and I knew it increased my chances of survival.  I volunteered to be a test subject.  Not because I do not value my life,  but I would give it willingly to help others. I and others will be living proof that we made a safe choice for ourselves.

As for the microchip in the vaccine thing,  apparently a few thought that was real.  Most did not.

As for never before tried in humans... at one point all things were of this sort.  Got to start somewhere. Right?  There was the first amputation,  first cataract surgery,  first smallpox vaccine etc. 
Why is covid being a first any different?

My father has had  an  autoimmune disorder for the last 15 years.  I am all too aware of what that is.  I diagnosed him with it and saved his life by convincing a doctor of his issues. I did this by pouring my heart and soul into the cause.  I studied and took notes and made phone calls. 

As for my comment about polio in children,  you totally misunderstood.  I meant doctors would have wanted to do more than they did because they care.  They would have used everything at their disposal. Possibly even mRNA techniques. Their job is to heal.

Also, Covid is not the common cold.
Title: Re: Are you worried about the Coronavirus?
Post by: Jade Sinapu on April 20, 2022, 10:35:53 pm
 In the interest of keeping the peace and keeping Furtopia a happier place,  I'm going to refrain from making things worse here.  This place means too much to me. 

So I will not post about covid much if at all after this.

I respect the virus,  it existed for a long time before us and it keeps mutating.   It knows how to survive.  With our species quarreling we are less unified than a  unthinking virus.

 I don't fear it, I fear some people's thought processes because those same thoughts threaten to undermine a lot of scientific progress the world as enjoyed thus far and they also divide us and make us weaker.   
Title: Re: Are you worried about the Coronavirus?
Post by: Simo on April 21, 2022, 08:59:39 pm
So I will not post about covid much if at all after this.
I won't if you won't.
Title: Re: Are you worried about the Coronavirus?
Post by: Chewy, God of Rats on June 16, 2022, 12:56:37 am
After seeing that even Dr. Fauci has tested positive for covid recently. While my worry level is much lower than it was in late-2020 to mid-2021, this really just goes to show that nobody is safe when it comes to avoiding covid.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/06/15/health/fauci-covid-positive/index.html
Title: Re: Are you worried about the Coronavirus?
Post by: Jade Sinapu on June 22, 2022, 05:03:57 pm
I hate covid m my brother is still ill with long covid. A year later?  He was not vaccinated before being exposed.

So this virus seems freaky.  Cold/ flu doesn't seem to do this to people, right? Meaning long symptoms.

So I'm still worried. 
Title: Re: Are you worried about the Coronavirus?
Post by: cause the rat on June 23, 2022, 12:59:23 am
It's not done mutating.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/06/22/health/ba4-ba5-escape-antibodies-covid-vaccine/index.html (https://www.cnn.com/2022/06/22/health/ba4-ba5-escape-antibodies-covid-vaccine/index.html)
Title: Re: Are you worried about the Coronavirus?
Post by: Kobuk on June 23, 2022, 10:41:03 am
It's not done mutating.

And it never will stop mutating. That's what viruses do. You can't stop nature.
Title: Re: Are you worried about the Coronavirus?
Post by: Jade Sinapu on June 23, 2022, 09:03:14 pm
We can slow down its mutation rate by our measures.  And give time to healthcare providers to try and keep up.
Title: Re: Are you worried about the Coronavirus?
Post by: Chewy, God of Rats on June 23, 2022, 09:33:59 pm
I actually had a conversation about Covid today with some friends.

For context, I had covid twice (that I know of), first back in late July of 2020 and got it the second time late January of 2021. The first time, I would've never known I had it if I did get a required test done(was required due to an outbreak at work) as I didn't notice any symptoms.

The second time the side effects were like having the flu mixed with symptoms of kidney failure and/or jaundice, including extreme dehydration, yellow eyes, extreme kidney pain, and the darkest painful urine I've ever experienced at that point, and having a hard time breathing/feeling out of breath just sitting or doing something as simple as walking to the bathroom (never lost my sense of smell though). All this latest for about 6 weeks with some lasting longer.

So basically getting covid sucked and not something I'd recommend.


That being said, my worry about covid is almost nonexistent at this point.

To prevent this long story from being even long, the conversation I had was that while covid hasn't disappeared and never will in my opinion, I see it as being similar to getting pneumonia now. For some people, pneumonia is a death sentence but in most cases it isn't
Title: Re: Are you worried about the Coronavirus?
Post by: cause the rat on June 24, 2022, 01:12:23 pm

That being said, my worry about covid is almost nonexistent at this point.

To prevent this long story from being even long, the conversation I had was that while covid hasn't disappeared and never will in my opinion, I see it as being similar to getting pneumonia now. For some people, pneumonia is a death sentence but in most cases it isn't

Unfortunately this is a popular but very dangerous opinion.  At best this virus could fizzle out and become nothing more than another common cold or flue. Wishful thinking gets nowhere. The more people who keep this virus alive by not getting vaxed the more chances this virus has to mutate. The more people who get the virus the more people suffer from life long damage. Internal scaring of the lungs, liver, hear and kidneys can shorten people's lives.