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Offline Russano Greenstripe

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« on: December 02, 2003, 04:28:16 pm »
Ok guys...we gotta do something about a major problem around here: humans don't like us. They hate us, make fun of us, lock us up in insane asylums, and just do almost anything they can to keep us down. We gotta convince them we're just like them! Just a bit furrier... ':p'
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« Reply #1 on: December 02, 2003, 07:23:25 pm »
Some want to listen most don't care the ones you want to worry about are so set in there ways they will never change so no point trying to turn them around . All we can do is make sure we keep our side of the story acssesible to all and not be put off by negative publicety.
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« Reply #2 on: December 02, 2003, 11:14:36 pm »
Seriously, there are more or less two kind of people on this planet:
a) those who pretend it's just not there
b) those who get all irritated or worse over it.

There will always be people not liking other people and others who will find what someone else does to be stupid or any other negative adjective you can find.
Humans don't like us? Well, sadly, we have to live with it, because there will ALWAYS be someone that won't like me, you, your best pal, or anyone you see on the street. Each and everyone of those beings have someone they don't like and someone who doesn't like them either. It's a unwritten rule of society.
So, what do you want to do? Unless we change the very basic "instinct", if we can call it that, of the human psyche, it will never happen.

But eh, one can dream, no?
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« Reply #3 on: December 02, 2003, 11:42:41 pm »
I agree with both firebreath & bearpaw.  Unfortunately, they already said everything I was going to so I can't add much.

Pretty much all of the humans I know fully support my furriness.  They don't see my characters as being any different as bugs bunny, sonic the hedgehog, or the like.  All of the fur haters that I know are just jerks who have insult others in order to feel good about themselves.
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« Reply #4 on: December 03, 2003, 12:32:22 am »
I agree with the above statements.

Basically, Russano the Wise, it isn't worth getting all upset about. Just be yourself and if people don't like you for being yourself, that is their loss, not yours.

There have been times that furs have spoken out to the media to only have their words turned around or omitted altogether with something else being told that they didn't say. There is a thread on that on the forums already.

Let me ask you something Russano the Wise. Since you are new here and haven't been here very long, what type of image do you think that Furtopia is showing?

I will continue after you post your answer, ok?

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« Reply #5 on: December 03, 2003, 12:35:02 am »
Quote (Russano the Wise @ Dec. 02 2003, 4:28 pm)
We gotta convince them we're just like them!

Excuse me if this seems a tad insensituve, but..

Since when do we wanna be like them? '<img'>

Seriously though, it would be good if we could figure somethign out. The problem here is that the more we want them to accept us as normal, the more they notice that we are 'abnormal' enough for there to be a change.

Not that it'll be any large modifier, but I plan for my website-in-progress to be as media friendly as possible althought it's.. probably.. just another one of those dreamers

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« Reply #6 on: December 03, 2003, 06:06:49 am »
You all are right, we can't really really change one person's beleifs about furriness, but we should at least try to have a less...I guess the only word is hateful view of us. We are kinda like them, with the opposable thumbs and all, but we can at least try to convince them we're not complete loonies, no?
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« Reply #7 on: December 03, 2003, 06:12:21 am »
And to answer Kada-Ru's question, I think that this site is projecting the same image of furriness that www.yu-gi-oh.co.uk is projeting about duelists: There are people out there who are into this stuff, and that's ok. There are a few people who take this stuff too seriously (like the people who pawn their toasters and stuff to buy cards), but these are few and far between. It's just a place for one or more people to talk about something they love. (Of course, I'm only 13, what do I know? '<img'> )
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« Reply #8 on: December 03, 2003, 06:13:33 am »
And please, just call me Russano.
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« Reply #9 on: December 03, 2003, 08:59:12 am »
I don't really get into a fuss about this until someone brings it up...but basically everyone is different and there's nothing no one can do to change someone else...I mean, just walk into one of my classrooms at school and you won't find two people the same. Sometimes people make some bad comments on my collar...then in return I make fun of them. Suddently, they find themselves on trial for being different when a minute ago they thought they were 'normal', and trust me...they don't like that (not many people do).
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« Reply #10 on: December 03, 2003, 10:11:14 am »
Quote (Russano the Wise @ Dec. 03 2003, 6:12 am)
(Of course, I'm only 13, what do I know? '<img'> )

Unfortunately Russano, 13 is an age where most people are highly critical of differences in others.  There is no reason for it, they just don't want to be seen as outside the mainstream and will negatively comment on things not because they personnally feel strongly about it, but because they feel saying something negative will raise them up in the eyes of their peers.

As you get older, the people around you act less and less that way.  The need to "fit in" that drives people to put others down to be seen as part of the in or mainstream crowd dissappears.  By the end of high school most kids are ready to live and let live and in the college and adult world it becomes more like that.

There will always be shallow people at any age that are too insecure to accept others that are different then they are.  Recognizing it as insecurity, you almost feel sad for these people.

And furry is emersed into popular and teen culture even though many will not admit it.  Look at video games like Starfox.  If a scantily clad female anthropomorphic character really turned teens off, that character wouldn't be there.  Nintendo's first goal is to make money.  Then take Saturday morning cartoons.  Tons of anthropomorphic characters exist.  So many teens do enjoy furry content to some extent, they just don't want to admit it because saying they enjoy it would put them at odds with their peers.

Just hang in there.  For 13, you definitely write well and seem mature.  I would not have guessed that's your age.

There is a 12 year old girl that hangs out on an adult forum I'm on for the main reason that she can't stand anyone her own age.  She continues to hang out on the forum because she has found the adults to be much nicer than kids her own age.

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« Reply #11 on: December 03, 2003, 12:34:42 pm »
Quote (Russano the Wise @ Dec. 02 2003, 4:28 pm)
Ok guys...we gotta do something about a major problem around here: humans don't like us. They hate us, make fun of us, lock us up in insane asylums, and just do almost anything they can to keep us down. We gotta convince them we're just like them! Just a bit furrier... ':p'

I never cared what the mindless masses thought of me before so I wont start now. I know I'm not harming anyone or anything so its all good, and not even the most uptight of mundanes can do anything about it because nothing is wrong!
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« Reply #12 on: December 03, 2003, 12:46:36 pm »
Humm.. people don't like the animal in me.. eh so what.
Their loss as my the cat is as inserable a part of me as the man.
Of corse.. As I see it were all "animals" anyways.
After all.. Reliouse or Darwinist.. didn't Animals and humans all spring from the same basic sorce?
The Primordial ozze or (the) God(s).
So Animals and humans are still related in some way.
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« Reply #13 on: December 03, 2003, 01:36:30 pm »
Russano, Thanks for your reply.

I think I didn't state it too well, my question to you.

What we try to portray here about the fandom is that there is the good side to it and that most are into the good side of the fandom.

Now, no one is going to say that the other parts of the fandom don't exist because they do. They only exist though as a VERY small part of the fandom.

Also, most everyone here that is of age has jobs, interests etc., just like everyone else out in the world aside from the fandom.

We really are no different then anyone else. We just have a different interest is all. Like those that are Trekkies, or any other 'fan' type 'club'.

And, basically, we are human even if we don't want to be. There is no way around it.

The best thing to do to show the others out in the world what type of fandom we really are, is just to show places like here. Or other places where people are just getting together and discussing their main interests.

I hope I haven't confused you more than I have myself!  '<img'>

At 13 kids know more than some of us give them credit for! '<img'>

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« Reply #14 on: December 03, 2003, 02:16:29 pm »
: smiles gently :

Russano,
   First, welcome to the group.  Second, Drake was right with what he said about people around your age and how they will cut others to the bone in an effort to fit in....or more often, out of fear that they will be the next tease target if they don't go along with the crowd and make fun of someone else.

   Please remember, as Kada said, we are all humans here, whether we have an affinity for another creature or not...and whether we like it or not.  When you generalize things and say "humans hate us" and when others gernealize the species f human and say negative things about them, based on the actions of a few jerks who are cruel, it is just as wrong as when furries (or any other group) is stereotyped and generalized.  Try not to lump everyone in a species or group together when you speak, as it makes you sound just like those you are upset about.

     If it really bothers you about how the furry community is perceived, there are small things you can do to try to improve things for yourself (and possibly for other furs).

This goes for anyone btw:
1.First thing you can do is NOT foster the negative steortypes out there which portray furries as sex craved beasitiality mongers.  That means, do not draw animal/anthro porn or show it off at school (or work for you adults).  That kind of thing is a person by person showing basis and should be done after a person has a good idea of what a furry is.

2.  Don't treat humans or refer to them, as if they were a separate race other then yourself.  You are a human.  They are a human.  Your efforts are to show them that furries are merely people with slightly different tastes in hobbies or preferrences.  Ailenating yourself or furries from the human species will only work against what you are trying to achieve.

3.  With people who seem openminded and curious (which I know may be a rarity among your schoolmates),  explain what it means to you when you call yourself a furry.  Think about how you will explain it to people before you do so.  Thinking ahead can often eliminate uncomfortable silences which can appear like you are trying to cover sometihng up, when in fact, you might be trying to fond a proper way to word sometihng.  Pick people whose opinions really matter to you when you choose to 'come out of the furry closet' so to speak.

4.  Realize that your own opinion and outlook is really what matters most.  It is what shines through when people have yet to hear you speak.  It is what draws others to or pushed others away from you.  A frowning 'badattitude' walking one's way is more likely to be ignored or put others on the defensive then a smiling face or pleasant demeanor.  Be happy with yourself and worry only what tose most important to you think.  And even then...never hinge your happiness on another person's opinion.

5.  Now...please don't take this the wrong way... and read it carefully before going off.  Don't act like a freak.  Don't over exaggerate your animalistic tendencies (if you have them) in places where it is not appropriate.    For example, when someone says "have a seat and make yourself comfortable", do not sit on the floor and try to lick yourself, don't roll around 'scratching your back' on the carpet with your four limbs resting in mid air.  (yes I have seen it personally)  Just sit.  Normally.  There is a time and place for furry play and animal acting out, and there is also a time for socailly accepted manners.  around other furries or people who have a strong grasp on what furry is, sure... act away til your hearts content.  But, in order to make it in the world we live in (socially, laborwise, schoolwise) a furry will have to find a happy medium between furriness and humaness.  As Patrick Rangerwolf has stated to me, "Know when to turn the furry side off and behave properly in public situations."

6.  Above all, remain calm and collected when you find yourself at odds with another person over furs and furriness.  Remember that losing your cool will most definately lose ground of credibility during an arguement.  Also, realize that you can't change everyone, nor should you.  All you need to do is to be happy with yourself and be accepted as 'you' by those closest to your heart.  Everyone else... well...they don't matter all that much when all is said and done.


   If everyone does what they can in their own small circle of friends and aquaintences, I think the overall opinion of furries will improve with time.   Just like a ripple in a pond spreading throughout the whole surface slowly and evenly.  As you get older, you will find other ways to show furres in a positive light.  Perhaps you might even turn into a very vocal and well spoken furre in the public eye.  I see the potential in your posts.  Who knows? :-)

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« Reply #15 on: December 03, 2003, 03:02:04 pm »
Lock us up in insane asylums?!

I hate when that happens.

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« Reply #16 on: December 03, 2003, 03:53:09 pm »
Ok, I'll calm down. Actually, besides in my writings and programmings, I really don't show my furry side to other people.

And to clear up any misconseptions:

1. When I said "humans," I meant non-furries.

2. I was kidding when I said the 13 thing. ':p'
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« Reply #17 on: December 04, 2003, 09:27:21 pm »
there will always be people that hate you, but there will also always be people that support you. whether furry or not, everyone suffers this dilema. and you make the comments that people say, "i hate furries because they are different" but at the same time, you yourselves are doing the same thing. saying "i hate humans because they are different."
my point is that hating others will not solve your problems, you just have to suck it up and deal with it.
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« Reply #18 on: December 06, 2003, 01:57:55 pm »
Quote (Skunki @ Dec. 04 2003, 9:27 pm)
and you make the comments that people say, "i hate furries because they are different" but at the same time, you yourselves are doing the same thing. saying "i hate humans because they are different."

':.'  I said that? If I did, I certainly didn't mean to. When I started this thread, I was hoping that someone here had and idea about how to convince people to be a bit more accepting about us, and hopefully anything in general, not to start a flame war. *ducks into nearby burrow as fur is singed*
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« Reply #19 on: December 06, 2003, 02:07:21 pm »
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you yourselves are doing the same thing. saying "i hate humans because they are different."


Well, if you'll actually read his post, he said "Humans don't like us. They hate us..." and then some other stuff along those same lines. I saw nothing of him hating humans.

(btw, regardless of whether or not you're happy about it we're all humans here)

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« Reply #20 on: December 06, 2003, 02:10:13 pm »
Quote (Rohein @ Dec. 06 2003, 2:07 pm)
(btw, regardless of whether or not you're happy about it we're all humans here)

*snaps fingers* Dang. I was hoping no one would notice that...
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« Reply #21 on: December 06, 2003, 03:38:00 pm »
Quote (Russano the Wise @ Dec. 06 2003, 1:57 pm)
When I started this thread, I was hoping that someone here had and idea about how to convince people to be a bit more accepting about us...

Try showing them some Anthro Art. I've tried it with my art teacher and my Aunt, both of them got good replies. So far, only my Aunt knows about the furry cult, and she's ok with it. Start lightly and don't show them the yiffy art.


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« Reply #22 on: December 06, 2003, 04:44:44 pm »
I'll just stick to my poetry; I suck at drawing.
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« Reply #23 on: December 06, 2003, 09:22:50 pm »
You don't need to show them your own pictures, just say something like "hey, look at this cool pic I found online."

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« Reply #24 on: December 07, 2003, 06:02:02 am »
Kinda hard to find a gallery w/o smut. All of my poems are clean, except for one that has a curse word in it.
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