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Re: The Return of Furtopia + Hosting
« Reply #50 on: October 19, 2020, 01:58:15 pm »
That would be so awesome!  Hopefully artists will still be around!

Angelfire, Geocities, FurNation, Furtopia...  weren't those the days...  *nostagic sigh*

*with beard, gray hair, spectacles, and cane*

Yep, I remember all those back in my days. You young pups have it too good right now. *waves cane at young furs*

Now you got Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, We Chat, TikTok, and all these other new fangled social sites.

Probably 25-50 years from now, we'll switch to VR (virtual reality) like they have in that movie Ready Player One.

Then maybe 100-200 years from now, maybe genetic engineering will be advanced enough to give people ears, tails, and such. Then we won't need VR and social apps to "pretend" we're furry, because we ALREADY are.


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Re: The Return of Furtopia + Hosting
« Reply #51 on: October 19, 2020, 02:05:02 pm »
Furtopia hosting will be furry.  WS and I are also working on http://www.inlightof.us and http://www.artstyle.us, both which are not furry.  WS can explain them better than I can.  If your niece isn't into furry artwork she can sign up for http://www.artstyle.us.

The main reason I don't like twitter is because of the post link being so short!  I use it but not often.

Actually, I had a chat with my niece, and she was amazed at the idea of setting up her own website.  Sure, you can "customize" Tumbler, or Twitter, or whatever, but they couldn't hold a candle to the flexibility that actually building your own website on Angelfire afforded.  And Livejournal beat Twitter all to pieces on simple post length.

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Re: The Return of Furtopia + Hosting
« Reply #52 on: October 19, 2020, 02:10:51 pm »
Thankfully, NOT covid!  Just dizziness that the doctors are trying to figure out why I have it 24/7, except when sleeping.  Changing heart meds helped a little but still trying to figure things out.  I may have to live with the way it is now for ever, which is doable.  So, trying to get back into the swing of things and trying to be on the comp more.  Time will tell. :)

Sorry to hear that Kada has not been feeling well. I hope she gets better soon. It's not Covid related, is it?

I have not recieved/noticed any email notifications from Furtopia.


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Re: The Return of Furtopia + Hosting
« Reply #53 on: October 19, 2020, 02:26:21 pm »
I know basic HTML coding.  I've never been the type for the 'fancy' business websites of today.  All the flash etc.  I figure knowing BASIC HTML coding is all that is pretty much needed.  I've learned from there.  I use dynamicdrive.com for most things.  I also use https://visuallightbox.com/ for some of my galleries.  We have a friend that tried helping us with one of those template sites to make a website and when I looked at the coding I was just lost!  Sort of like reading legalese.  Lots of words that don't mean a lot that could be summed up in one or two NORMAL paragraphs.  So that is what I did.  I looked at the page he sent me and just redid it with the basic HTML coding.  Worked out great!  So, if you know the basics, that is all you really need to get started!  I know I make it seem easy.  My website (http://www.kcff.net) is all basic HTML coding with help from those two links I posted above.  And it is easy to find answers to a problem on the internet.  I don't know CSS and other things like php.  And you can look at pretty much ANYONE'S website HTML coding by clicking on 'view page source'.  That is how I learned things too.  And by changing things here and there I could figure out what different codes did.

If I knew HTML better I'd volunteer. My skills are fairly basic, (remember the sites from the early 2000's?) and likely need "updating" themselves to be of any use. I think the last HTML I did was in highschool...  :o

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Re: The Return of Furtopia + Hosting
« Reply #54 on: October 19, 2020, 02:38:55 pm »
There will be Furtopia for furries.  http://www.inlightof.us/, WS can explain this one, and there is an explanation on the website, which is now active. And once WS gets furtopia hosting working we will also be working on a non-furry hosting service for all other artist called http://www.artstyle.us.

I am very curious to know how website applications will work. What information will be needed? What can and can't a person do with a hosted site? Does it have to be furry related like they used to be so very long ago?

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Re: The Return of Furtopia + Hosting
« Reply #55 on: October 19, 2020, 11:57:15 pm »
You're back! Yay!!

I know basic HTML coding.  I've never been the type for the 'fancy' business websites of today.  All the flash etc.  I figure knowing BASIC HTML coding is all that is pretty much needed.  I've learned from there.  I use dynamicdrive.com for most things.  I also use https://visuallightbox.com/ for some of my galleries.  We have a friend that tried helping us with one of those template sites to make a website and when I looked at the coding I was just lost!  Sort of like reading legalese.  Lots of words that don't mean a lot that could be summed up in one or two NORMAL paragraphs.  So that is what I did.  I looked at the page he sent me and just redid it with the basic HTML coding.  Worked out great!  So, if you know the basics, that is all you really need to get started!  I know I make it seem easy.  My website (http://www.kcff.net) is all basic HTML coding with help from those two links I posted above.  And it is easy to find answers to a problem on the internet.  I don't know CSS and other things like php.  And you can look at pretty much ANYONE'S website HTML coding by clicking on 'view page source'.  That is how I learned things too.  And by changing things here and there I could figure out what different codes did.

I remember doing that with Jonawolf's site and seeing what he did to make mine. XD

My brain in mushy from the Security+ crash course I'm taking all week, but after that's over with I'll be up for working with it again. From what I do remember, it's pretty easy. You just have to remember to end everything you start.
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Re: The Return of Furtopia + Hosting
« Reply #56 on: October 20, 2020, 03:09:12 pm »
There you go. I sent you a email Mister Initial Man via the forums if you want to see if you got it. :)

I am also working on website applications this week (working right now). With little luck will have website applications ready by the end of the week.

I think I might have accidentally deleted it.  Any way you could resend it?

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Re: The Return of Furtopia + Hosting
« Reply #57 on: October 22, 2020, 08:06:06 pm »
Ok Mister Initial Man sent you another test email.
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Re: The Return of Furtopia + Hosting
« Reply #58 on: October 22, 2020, 08:50:05 pm »
Ok pull up a seat next to the fire cubs. Got a little update and back story for you all. First Kada-Ru who has been sick for months seems to be getting a bit better. So I think she is going to start joining me on making updates again. Though you haven't seen it I have been making progress as it's been a lot of work. Part of the time factor is I had to redo a LOT of the coding from scratch. When Furtopia hosting shut down I backed it up onto two seagate external hard drives. When I decided to reopen I had planned to restore the backups and make some updates. Over the course of 10 years sitting in storage BOTH hard drives had failed!! Coding I had made over the course of 10 years was just gone forever.  :'( I was tempted to stop there. But having coded it once I knew I could do it again. Just it would take a LOT of work to get the various multi-user server services programmed again. Kada-Ru had a few of the old html files on a 2009 CD and that helped me create a template. So as I put a couple hours into this each day into repair/programming I get a funny sense of nostalgia. I feel like a furry version of the kids from Narnia stories. With love from all the furies in the community we built a Furtopia kingdom that was a sight to behold. After a decade of watching the kingdom thrive I retired and went back through the closet to rest and grow. When I came back I noticed much was not working or in disrepair. But in the shadows loyal Furs had kept the fires going of the old kingdom still going the best they could to help new fur commers. Well the "coding" fires are being lit and this steam engine though looking old now is going to race like never before. Don't let current looks fool you. A lot of work is happening under the hood. ;)

I am currently working on a new IRC web client for easy access to our IRC. Should be up in a day or so. I also have been working on the beta Furtopia indexer. The old Furtopia indexer used to gallery your pictures in any folder you did not have a webpage. So if an artist did not know how to make a web page they could use our nice looking Indexer gallery. The new gallery I am doing also galleries music and movies. This lets your Furtopia account stream your mp4's to your visitors and you can even like existing Youtube movies you own into your Furtopia indexer gallery.

Here is a little sneak peak of the new beta Furtopia Indexer. The links are broken as this is just a beta we are stress testing right now. More will be added to it.
http://testme.furtopia.org/test/
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Re: The Return of Furtopia + Hosting
« Reply #59 on: October 22, 2020, 10:05:20 pm »
I'm getting a 404 error on that link, WS.

It all sounds crazy cool, albeit a LOT of work. I'm really looking forward to it!

Will the artist's parade return to Furtopia's front page?
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Re: The Return of Furtopia + Hosting
« Reply #60 on: October 22, 2020, 11:33:24 pm »
Artist parade will be working. 404 on the link?
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Re: The Return of Furtopia + Hosting
« Reply #61 on: October 25, 2020, 01:09:45 am »
Artist parade will be working. 404 on the link?

Link works now.

EDIT: Wow, now that was a nostalgia trip! I forgot Furtopia used to have a radio stream! That was awesome! Also looked at the "-of the week" section. It's sad that I can't find a lot of those furs anymore. Hopefully they just changed their name. Either way, I'm excited for it to be coming back!

The video will be a new feature, yes? Is there a lot more work involved prepping the site to handle the new formats and increase in traffic?  Also found your youtube channel thanks to your embedded video. I like your self reliance projects, they remind me of my Uncle Sid's projects in many ways- especially the supercaps and aquaponics. Good stuff.
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Re: The Return of Furtopia + Hosting
« Reply #62 on: October 25, 2020, 06:24:28 am »
Varg the indexer is already programmed for the new formats. If you look at the "testme" site you'll see the indexer is streaming .mp4 and Youtube links. As far as bandwidth we are in a good place. In the past before we shut down we were running 5MB upstream which handled everything we needed for all services fine. I am now paying for 50MB upstream and have the option to switch to Gig upstream (fiber) for extra costs if it becomes needed. Furtopia's old server was an Athalon X2 1.2Gzh (dual core) with 4gigs of RAM (a lot for the time) and a mechanical hard drive running Ubuntu Linux at 350-400 watts of power. Our new 100% solar powered server is a Raspberry Pi 4B with a ARM64 X4 1500Mzh (overclock-able to 2.1Gzh if desired) with 8gigs of RAM and x2 Enterprise Samsung SSD drives (they're FAST like RAM drives) running Debian 64bit Linux at 3.5 watts of power directly hooked to batteries.

The new server though vastly more power efficient is also WAY WAY faster. Plus because it's solar powered there have been a few big storms that have knocked out power here and service stayed running as the whole system is DC battery/solar powered. I spend 6 hours yesterday putting the finishing touches on the automated account services and running tests. Today I will be working on the email reply system and hosting application page. After that I'll remove unused links from indexer and bring up the beta website hosting application for furs who want an early jump on hosting. Afterwards I will be working on the code for the web directory listings and a million other things. TONs of work to do as I'm re-coding from scratch. But we are making progress day by day. It is coming along with hard work and this ship will eventually fly!
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Re: The Return of Furtopia + Hosting
« Reply #63 on: October 26, 2020, 12:16:07 pm »
If you are an artist who would like to get a website early and send us notice of any issues, we have opened web hosting applications to beta. Things working are Webhosting, FTP, MYSQL, and Indexer (gallery for pages with no index.*).  Some links and services are still under development. But any webpage hosted should now work fine.

Beta hosting application: https://services.furtopia.org/f_application.shtml

Enjoy!
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Re: The Return of Furtopia + Hosting
« Reply #64 on: October 30, 2020, 12:31:43 pm »

Doing some investigation I found out due to newer Java making some security changes that it broke the old web IRC client. So after programming/hammering away for two days I have finally got working a new Furtopia web based IRC client. It can be found here: https://client-irc.furtopia.org (irc.furtopia.org will redirect you there as well). I still have some work and polish to do to it. But it is working well if you have some friends who would like to fur IRC-chat. I have MUCH more work to do on so many other Furtopia features.  (: But we are making good progress! :)
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Re: The Return of Furtopia + Hosting
« Reply #65 on: October 30, 2020, 04:39:36 pm »
No problem.  I'll be here or around. LOL

You're back! Yay!!

I remember doing that with Jonawolf's site and seeing what he did to make mine. XD

My brain in mushy from the Security+ crash course I'm taking all week, but after that's over with I'll be up for working with it again. From what I do remember, it's pretty easy. You just have to remember to end everything you start.

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Re: The Return of Furtopia + Hosting
« Reply #66 on: October 30, 2020, 08:34:43 pm »
After getting some rest doing the IRC I added a power monitor station. It needs calibrated to show the battery correct. But it is showing power consumption. Modem+router, server, USB hub, and x3 dedicated hard drives are taking less than 200mA power (less than 6 watts). Pretty impressive!

Power station monitor.


Furtopia Server. Behind the USB hub are two buck converters that convert the 24v battery bank to 12v and 5v for Furtopia's hardware.


Modem+Router (also provides internet for our home).


Batteries.
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Re: The Return of Furtopia + Hosting
« Reply #67 on: October 30, 2020, 10:31:21 pm »
I'm disappointed. :( And here I thought it was going to be all fancy like one of those futuristic STAR TREK displays and powered by a matter/anti-matter warp reactor.

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« Reply #68 on: October 31, 2020, 02:40:28 am »
Ok Mister Initial Man sent you another test email.

Sorry I have been quiet as of late--I did indeed get that one.

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« Reply #69 on: October 31, 2020, 02:42:04 am »
I know basic HTML coding.  I've never been the type for the 'fancy' business websites of today.  All the flash etc.  I figure knowing BASIC HTML coding is all that is pretty much needed.  I've learned from there.  I use dynamicdrive.com for most things.  I also use https://visuallightbox.com/ for some of my galleries.  We have a friend that tried helping us with one of those template sites to make a website and when I looked at the coding I was just lost!  Sort of like reading legalese.  Lots of words that don't mean a lot that could be summed up in one or two NORMAL paragraphs.  So that is what I did.  I looked at the page he sent me and just redid it with the basic HTML coding.  Worked out great!  So, if you know the basics, that is all you really need to get started!  I know I make it seem easy.  My website (http://www.kcff.net) is all basic HTML coding with help from those two links I posted above.  And it is easy to find answers to a problem on the internet.  I don't know CSS and other things like php.  And you can look at pretty much ANYONE'S website HTML coding by clicking on 'view page source'.  That is how I learned things too.  And by changing things here and there I could figure out what different codes did.

If I knew HTML better I'd volunteer. My skills are fairly basic, (remember the sites from the early 2000's?) and likely need "updating" themselves to be of any use. I think the last HTML I did was in highschool...  :o

Say hello to Kada for us. I'll be keeping her in my prayers.

Speaking of which--should I revamp/edit my old HTML 4.01 tutorial, and post it on Furtopia so that newbies to web creation can learn?

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Re: The Return of Furtopia + Hosting
« Reply #70 on: October 31, 2020, 01:35:08 pm »
After getting some rest doing the IRC I added a power monitor station. It needs calibrated to show the battery correct. But it is showing power consumption. Modem+router, server, USB hub, and x3 dedicated hard drives are taking less than 200mA power (less than 6 watts). Pretty impressive!

Power station monitor.


Furtopia Server. Behind the USB hub are two buck converters that convert the 24v battery bank to 12v and 5v for Furtopia's hardware.


Modem+Router (also provides internet for our home).


Batteries.


I'm impressed! Do you think power consumption will increase much when people start putting their sites up?

Speaking of which--should I revamp/edit my old HTML 4.01 tutorial, and post it on Furtopia so that newbies to web creation can learn?

You made a tutorial for HTML? That sounds pretty cool!
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Re: The Return of Furtopia + Hosting
« Reply #71 on: October 31, 2020, 02:37:29 pm »
Varg: I expect very little change in power usage. The Pi 4B is based off quite powerful Broadcom ARM64 processors. These processors while comparable to Desktop CPUs in power were originally designed for cell phones. Because of this they were made with power efficiency in mind. That's what we're seeing here. It's so power efficient even if the solar panels were damaged the batteries could maintain the system +10 days. The Samsung Enterprise SSD drives are also incredibly power efficient while being fast like a RAM drive which is why everything is loading so quickly. This has been a fun and impressive home server build. :)

Mr. Initialman if you would like to put it up! I'm sure others would enjoy it. Your web site is ready too. :)
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Re: The Return of Furtopia + Hosting
« Reply #72 on: October 31, 2020, 06:54:25 pm »
It's not able to get a directory listing.   :(

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« Reply #73 on: November 01, 2020, 02:48:39 am »
Mr Initialman: Made a update that should resolve the issue. Also make sure you are using ftp.furtopia.org as your FTP hostname or it may fail.
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