Furtopia | Family Friendly Furry Forum and IRC Chat!
not-so-furry discussion => debate forum => Topic started by: Amducious on July 11, 2014, 03:54:48 pm
-
Illegal immigrants being brought over illegally in goverment buses the immigrants are carrying tuberculosis and scabies . pretty sure most people have heard of this i live near one of places they drop people and im not too happy if they were doing it legally then i would be fine let me know your thoughts on this i dont have the link
-
Uhhh, can you elaborate?
-
ummmm... being that those "Illegal Immigrants" were here long before English settlers Ever even set foot on these lands I think they have the right to be here. Technically speaking WE are the illegal immigrants, our ancestors DEVASTATED native populations. truthfully speaking I am ashamed to be an american. we step on all the minorities and don't even acknowledge our wrong doings, this false idea that this is our land is shameful.
-
I have mixed feelings about this. I believe we as a nation should help others, but there has to be a limit at some point. I also kind of think we should help our own people first. I also know that some of these people are the hardest working and sweetest people you will have the privilege of meeting.
-
I also know that some of these people are the hardest working and sweetest people you will have the privilege of meeting.
Some might be ok, but there are plenty of others who are bleeding this country dry of welfare, disabilty, and Social Security, and scamming the welfare system. >:(
-
but like I said They were here first
-
they have more right to be here than anyone else...
-
I also know that some of these people are the hardest working and sweetest people you will have the privilege of meeting.
Some might be ok, but there are plenty of others who are bleeding this country dry of welfare, disabilty, and Social Security, and scamming the welfare system. >:(
. I have former friends who scammed the system as well. Difference is my friends were well off citizens. It is hard for me to keep friends sometimes because I can not tolerate this type of behavior.
-
but like I said They were here first
I'm not wanting to argue with a lion without my buds, but were the Spanish here before us? I honestly forget who established a nation first. Oh, it's Texas, your right, we did kind of screw them over. I have strong Cherokee roots anyway.
-
i say yes and no put the should atleast get immunized or shots cause the condtions i heard at places they keep them are terrible and inhumane
-
Some might be ok, but there are plenty of others who are bleeding this country dry of welfare, disabilty, and Social Security, and scamming the welfare system. >:(
How interesting. Please explain how an illegal immigrant is able to obtain an SSN that allows them to claim such benefits. Spoiler alert: they can't. The Social Security Administration estimates that illegal immigrants pay over $6 billion annually in Social Security taxes for benefits they can never receive.
-
How interesting. Please explain how an illegal immigrant is able to obtain an SSN that allows them to claim such benefits. Spoiler alert: they can't. The Social Security Administration estimates that illegal immigrants pay over $6 billion annually in Social Security taxes for benefits they can never receive.
[/quote]
you speak the truth my friend!!
and yes the spanish were natives in the southern states of the U.S. and shard how are they supposed to pay for said vaccinations when THEY DON'T HAVE INSURANCE?
-
you may not know but the government is funding this you should look up some stuff about this thats happing
-
PLUS this whole "border crisis" thing is just a blind fold created by the media to keep us ignorant to what's really going on.
on another note they arent the only ones that bring disease to the U.S. the parents of children who won't immunize their kids because they THINK it causes autism (which is laughable by the way) are bring just as much if not more disease than these so called "Immigrants"
-
and shard yes I heard but the US government does a lot... like slaughtering families in the middle east because we want to control the oil fields I mean really why else would we have an army there around the clock? I suggest you look into things more before you go spewing out this half understood knowledge.
-
(Sorry If I'm getting too heated just I am SICK of literally everything the US government does.)
-
same i jusy hope this thing blows over and the whole shots causes austim is ridiculous but i hope these people get atleast some justice for what they've been throw and our government has always been corrupt wrong people in office you get what im saying i want to live in a differnt place with a good government
-
My advice go to norway.
-
I also know that some of these people are the hardest working and sweetest people you will have the privilege of meeting.
Some might be ok, but there are plenty of others who are bleeding this country dry of welfare, disabilty, and Social Security, and scamming the welfare system. >:(
I can't stand how in school, I(my parents) have to pay an arm and a leg for lunches, textbooks and such, if I break my school chrome book, I(my parents) have to replace it, along with all the other hard working academically successful and mature students, yet the people who make our lives absolutely miserable get everything free! Because we're paying for them! I can't stand it!
-
you speak the truth my friend!!
and yes the spanish were natives in the southern states of the U.S. and shard how are they supposed to pay for said vaccinations when THEY DON'T HAVE INSURANCE?
im pretty sure that the spanish were from spain. if my history is correct the spanish came over to the americas and killed the native aztecs, then england took the americas from the spanish, then the americans who are a mix of everything took the americas from england. so the americans dont really have much blame on how we got this country (except for when we expanded north)
-
this post is mostly about illegal immigrants from mexico (not that i have anything against mexicans just that it's where most illegal immigrants are from)
and for illegal immigrants i dont think they should be allowed here... we are all ready struggling with unemployment last thing we need is more people. one thing i really dont like is how some that come to america like "yay we are here, America is great!" but then they go around celebrating Cinco De Mayo in our schools and when another kid brings an American flag they get mad, and ban American flags from American schools for that day.
one thing that really bothers me is why they are just coming to america instead of fixing their own country. our ancestors suffered and died when fighting off the British so that their children might finally live in peace sometime without an abusive power, and then their was the civil war where the north fought to keep the country together after the south tried to secede from the US due to the new laws that were getting placed. but then some people think they can just walk into the US, they are just walking away from their problems and creating problems for americans (less jobs) there are enough people in mexico to over throw the cartel, build cities, create jobs, and create a better life their yet they come to america where all the work is done for them without even paying.
-
what you are missing is that WE are the abusive power, just ask the native americans
-
ummmm... being that those "Illegal Immigrants" were here long before English settlers Ever even set foot on these lands I think they have the right to be here. Technically speaking WE are the illegal immigrants, our ancestors DEVASTATED native populations. truthfully speaking I am ashamed to be an american. we step on all the minorities and don't even acknowledge our wrong doings, this false idea that this is our land is shameful.
Oh, and where did the so called natives come from comrade? The Arctic Sea Bridge? *stereotypical Russian accent*
-
Illegal immigrants being brought over illegally in goverment buses the immigrants are carrying tuberculosis and scabies . pretty sure most people have heard of this i live near one of places they drop people and im not too happy if they were doing it legally then i would be fine let me know your thoughts on this i dont have the link
Did you just say that the government is bringing them over illegally???
On a slightly related topic of benefits in relation to "indigenous people" (It's related because people are talking about things that affect the economy)
History is full of empires being built and falling (people killing people and taking over places). I have apparently (have no clue of the accuracy of this statement) have Maori ancestor. Within New Zealand you get benefits for being (a certain percentage of) Maori. The thing is however, that they actually ate the original inhabitants of the land. They enslaved, killed and ate the Moriori people.
Within Australia, Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islanders get benefits for being the indigenous inhabitants of Australia. It's kind of... "We're sorry (for our ancestors) killing off most of your population (mostly through disease) and treating you/your ancestors badly. Here's a gift!". Also.. for some reason. some Aboriginals actually want to take over the whole of Australia as they believe they own the entire land. I'm pretty sure that's only the extremists though.
Basically what I'm trying to say through these examples. Is that giving these people who are descendants of "native people" benefits is a form of discrimination. I'm going to say it plain and straight right now. I am not being racist... Aboriginals get more money than white people just because they are Aboriginal (They also get free health care, but that's because they "have lower immune systems"). Money is unequally distributed in the world and people are born into different (financial) circumstances (Why should a child born into a poor family suffer when a child born into a middle class family does better. You cannot choose the family you are born into).
The whole reason behind benefits is to try to provide people with equal opportunities. This however, can become unbalanced. (I don't believe that anyone should receive benefits for being "indigenous". If they are having financial problems which they have not caused then sure. Give them benefits. But don't give someone benefits because of their ancestors)
what you are missing is that WE are the abusive power, just ask the native americans
I'm not entirely sure how the situation with American Indians is in America. From what I've heard it isn't too good. (but I don't know much about the subject)
and for illegal immigrants i dont think they should be allowed here... we are all ready struggling with unemployment last thing we need is more people. one thing i really dont like is how some that come to america like "yay we are here, America is great!" but then they go around celebrating Cinco De Mayo in our schools and when another kid brings an American flag they get mad, and ban American flags from American schools for that day.
I think you'll find that's called "cultural diversity" and illegal immigrants aren't allowed because they are illegal.
-
My advice go to norway.
. Is that where Willion and Fjord Wolf live?
-
What is this topic supposed to be about?
-
What is this topic supposed to be about?
According to me: Something involving tin foil hats, and Xenophobia. :D
According to the first post: Something about the US government importing illegal immigrants, into the country for unknown reason, and this supposed discussion of how they might have alien aids as they might not have been give standardized vaccines in there previous country or upon being illegal smuggled in...
^ or at least that's what I think it said, didn't really read the rest of the thread to be honest.
-
Could somebody please provide some evidence, or a genuine article to at least shed a little more light on this, if not prove it, because whatever the original intentions may have been, this admittedly comes across as more of a rant about a rumour.
Also, why would the U.S. Government want to illegally bring people across the border, and if the U.S. Government was doing this, why wouldn't they do it legally, or at least make it look legal? They most certainly have the power to.
Furthermore, everyone should in a fair society, have every right to immigrate and live where they so please, as long as they do so within the confines of the laws of whichever country they wish to move to.
The whole point of someone being an "Illegal" immigrant is that they gained access to the country in question in an illegal manner, therefore they aren't actually entitled to anything if they've done so, and certainly don't have the records to be claiming benefits deceptively.
As for celebration of holidays such as Cinco De Mayo, that is to be expected in the same way that any American citizen would expect to be allowed to celebrate Independence Day if they moved to another country.
If a person has crossed the border illegally, then as with any crime, they may get away with it, but it doesn't mean they are entitled to anything once they are in the country. There's only so much a border agency can do, just as there is only so much the police can do with any one of your standard or organised criminals.
I think we all need to calm down, and think sensibly about the difference between an "Illegal" immigrant, and an immigrant with a legal and genuine Visa, or green card, whichever is used. The way many people are sounding is that they mean to say that all immigration should be stopped, or just from specific countries, and that's hardly fair.
When you hear something on the news, or see something in the newspaper, instead of becoming emotional about it, stop and think about how media companies like the consumers of their output to react, and then go out, do a little research, and decide fully for yourself what you feel is true, or false, or just another exciting and misleadingly produced story, blown out of proportion to get the populations feathers ruffled.
-
just to tell yah the set up places to drop these people up look up news articles on google the government is doing this they say we should get rid of the borders thats what the news said but what makes a country a country is its borders prime terrorist targets see opportunities to get into America and do terrorist attacks there have been people stopping in front of the places the drop people off so they can't get in it's very complicated what the government has decided to do in the U.S i not happy with the government
-
just to tell yah the set up places to drop these people up look up news articles on google the government is doing this they say we should get rid of the borders thats what the news said but what makes a country a country is its borders prime terrorist targets see opportunities to get into America and do terrorist attacks there have been people stopping in front of the places the drop people off so they can't get in it's very complicated what the government has decided to do in the U.S i not happy with the government
Please provide links to these "articles"
Otherwise I'm going to be inclined to think the following...
(http://media-cache-ec0.pinimg.com/236x/02/eb/0f/02eb0f7422d2b8e01aee4f5692abf76a.jpg)
-
just to tell yah the set up places to drop these people up look up news articles on google the government is doing this they say we should get rid of the borders thats what the news said but what makes a country a country is its borders prime terrorist targets see opportunities to get into America and do terrorist attacks there have been people stopping in front of the places the drop people off so they can't get in it's very complicated what the government has decided to do in the U.S i not happy with the government
Staff Note: Please keep the thread on topic. This thread's stated topic is NOT about immigration policy. Users wishing to discuss United States immigration reform, or the US policies on immigration should should start a new thread on that topic, as it is not the purpose of this thread.
This thread is about whether or not the government is or is not porting immigrants into the united states illegally by the bus-load. If either side of this argument would like to provide a news article or some kind of evidence for that argument one way or the other, that would probably be the best place to start. Otherwise the thread is just going to go in circles.
-
The whole point of someone being an "Illegal" immigrant is that they gained access to the country in question in an illegal manner,
Actually, that's not always the case. About half of illegal immigrants in the U.S. arrived legally; they just didn't leave when their visas expired.
If a person has crossed the border illegally, then as with any crime, they may get away with it, but it doesn't mean they are entitled to anything once they are in the country. There's only so much a border agency can do, just as there is only so much the police can do with any one of your standard or organised criminals.
One important point which constrains what the government can do is that illegal immigrants aren't criminals. It's a civil offence, not a criminal one.
If either side of this argument would like to provide a news article or some kind of evidence for that argument one way or the other, that would probably be the best place to start.
Sorry Alsek, but you can't prove a negative. All you can do is rebut whatever positive evidence is presented. If no such evidence is forthcoming, this thread should be moved out of the debate forum.
-
Sorry Alsek, but you can't prove a negative. All you can do is rebut whatever positive evidence is presented. If no such evidence is forthcoming, this thread should be moved out of the debate forum.
Yes, indeed. My personal recommendation would be that you perhaps you should wait until someone provides some kind of valid argument before you start debating with them.
-
sorry im posting this on mobile device so i cant get websites up but look up Illegal immigrants being brought over to the U.S youll find tons of news links explaining
-
youll find tons of news links explaining
[Citation Needed]
I am still having trouble figuring out exactly what the purpose of this thread is.
-
sorry im posting this on mobile device so i cant get websites up but look up Illegal immigrants being brought over to the U.S youll find tons of news links explaining
I found nothing. There's a lot of articles about a recent influx of families fleeing gang violence in Central America seeking asylum in the U.S., but they're reaching the border by their own means; I can't find anything indicating the U.S. government is assisting them in any way, and the government is certainly not providing transport. What exactly are you talking about?
-
its on the news in the U.S as far as i know of my knowledge some parts people dont have to worry honestly nobody knows what their talking about these days some may think the do so im not the one who started this im basing this on local news like NBC CNN on T.V what i have heard
-
im not the one who started this im basing this on local news like NBC CNN on T.V what i have heard
You started the thread, and it seems you're the only one who's actually heard about this. I haven't the faintest idea what "this" is, but it sounds like the local media have taken some mundane irregularity and blown it all out of proportion. I think there was some kind of protest in front of a Border Patrol station in Murrieta and they had to redirect a convoy of detainees being transferred there but that's the only thing that comes to mind. Certainly if half of what you're ranting about is true, it would be making international headlines. But it isn't.
-
I think I might have found something that at least vaguely sounds like what they're talking about, granted it's the Colbert report, but which honestly is a better news source then most the other news channels since his policy is point out and laugh at how much everyone screws up the news.
http://thecolbertreport.cc.com/videos/glsyx9/stephen-colbert-s-bats--t-serious---child-immigrant-intrigue (http://thecolbertreport.cc.com/videos/glsyx9/stephen-colbert-s-bats--t-serious---child-immigrant-intrigue)
http://thecolbertreport.cc.com/videos/nx3ix1/stephen-colbert-s-bats--t-serious---child-immigrant-intrigue---john-burnett (http://thecolbertreport.cc.com/videos/nx3ix1/stephen-colbert-s-bats--t-serious---child-immigrant-intrigue---john-burnett)
-
thx for posting that link the mobile device i use is kinda buggy at times but yah thats what i was trying to say thats what it looks like and whats happening
-
So the source of the claim is based on a conspiracy theory that a satirical news comedy show did a segment on?
Somebody made an outrageous claim, Colbert picked it up and ran with it for entertainment purposes. It's pretty obvious watching the segment that they aren't trying to claim that it's a real thing.
-
So the source of the claim is based on a conspiracy theory that a satirical news comedy show did a segment on?
Somebody made an outrageous claim, Colbert picked it up and ran with it for entertainment purposes. It's pretty obvious watching the segment that they aren't trying to claim that it's a real thing.
No clue, but it sounded like what Shard was trying to described which is the only reason I posted it, to see if they'd be like "That's what I was talking about" or not ... granted I wasn't even looking for trying to throw this topic any kind of bone I was just watching the Colbert Repot cause I like it :D
-
I believe this thread has something vaguely to do with the following:
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2014/07/13/border-children-immigration-crisis/12594927/ (http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2014/07/13/border-children-immigration-crisis/12594927/)
-
If there was any truth about the US government paying or providing
transportation to this country for illegal immigrants. Especially to
the central american families and children. It would be all over the news.
Politics being what they are you know the opposing political party would
have a field day with it. As is it seems both parties are on the hot seat.
What they are doing is providing transportation to holding centers and
to relatives here if they have any.
As usual there are many kinds of conspiracy theories as with anything
the government does or doesn't do.
Those who wish to debate what should or shouldn't be done
with them should start a thread for that.
-
I heard about a news story that seemed to describe a relevant situation; namely, there was a recent protest movement in California against the arrival of government buses containing detained immigrants from Central America. While the article doesn't implicate "Illegal immigrants being brought over illegally in government buses", it does imply that the process transports said detainees into American cities, and subsequently fails to keep track of them afterwards:
The buses instead took the 140 or so undocumented immigrants to U.S. processing centers at least 80 miles away... Unlike undocumented Mexican migrants, who are often immediately deported, the U.S. government detains and processes the Central Americans, who are eventually released and given a month to report to immigration offices. Many never show up and join the nation's 11 million undocumented population, says the National Border Patrol Council....
(from http://www.cnn.com/2014/07/02/us/california-immigrant-transfers/ (http://www.cnn.com/2014/07/02/us/california-immigrant-transfers/))
Perhaps this captures the issue this thread is attempting to address?
Apparently, this sort of activity is occurring in several locations across the United States.
-
One cannot bring a dog into the US without it being certified as healthy or even quarantined. Yet these children can be simply brought in and then busloads dispatched to the far corners of the country carrying God-knows-what. But you can't send them back--They're children! Some of them may be gang members or even drug mules or distracting border agents while the baddies cross over. Funny how the White House began acting even before these illegals approached the border. Just sayin'.