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general furry discussion => furries on furry => Topic started by: Sergalicious on December 22, 2013, 12:55:46 am
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sister thread to your favorite thing about furry (http://forums.furtopia.org/furries-on-furry/your-favorite-thing-about-furry/) so what do you hate most about furry?
for me it is the puns, they are just so, cheesy and there are so many of them, most of the cons i know of are puns as well ( rainfurest, vancufur,etc)
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The constant roleplaying by some members of the fandom. And this is coming from a veteran seven year Moonguard player in WoW, and officer of an RP guild!
I mean seriously, you don't need cute little elaborate emotes at the end of every sentence, you don't need to *glomp* or *huggles* people constantly, if someone is trying to have a normal conversation with you then you don't need to try be all cutsey and type out your every hypothetical action, just talk to them like a normal person. You don't need to shove your RPs down the throats of everyone nearby and get all pouty in your emotes when they don't respond to your *pouncehugs*.
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That doesn't bug me too much but I can see how that can be annoying.
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The constant roleplaying by some members of the fandom. And this is coming from a veteran seven year Moonguard player in WoW, and officer of an RP guild!
I mean seriously, you don't need cute little elaborate emotes at the end of every sentence, you don't need to *glomp* or *huggles* people constantly, if someone is trying to have a normal conversation with you then you don't need to try be all cutsey and type out your every hypothetical action, just talk to them like a normal person. You don't need to shove your RPs down the throats of everyone nearby and get all pouty in your emotes when they don't respond to your *pouncehugs*.
I use smiles a lot especially this one, ^_^, because it's just so easy for someone to misunderstand how you mean to say something, for example;
That's stupid!
as opposed to;
That's stupid! ^_^
It comes off as more lighthearted, but I do get what you mean, but if I say *Bearhugs* it's not just doing it for doing its sake, it's more of a normal greeting or show of friendship.
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I use smiles a lot especially this one, ^_^, because it's just so easy for someone to misunderstand how you mean to say something, for example;
That's stupid!
as opposed to;
That's stupid! ^_^
It comes off as more lighthearted, but I do get what you mean, but if I say *Bearhugs* it's not just doing it for doing its sake, it's more of a normal greeting or show of friendship.
Nah, see, that's a normal emote used to clarify things, I'm talking about the ones like (-。-)y-゜゜゜, (=^・^=), and （*ยด▽｀*） where they have no clarifying function in text other than to be cute and show off how good the person can copy and past things from the internet.
There's a difference between doing something occasionally to say hi or whatever to people you know and constantly narrating your every movement. It's the super excessive roleplaying that bugs me, namely because I've encountered people that just won't quit, even when I've asked them if we can just talk, and then had pouty/grumpy emotes shoved in my face.
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What I have to say isn't going to be nice. I'm telling it how it is, straight from the heart. I'm not going to sugarcoat it.
http://forums.furtopia.org/general-furry-discussion/why-the-need-to-tell-about-furry/
If you're so damn afraid of wearing a tail, whining about how to come out of the closet, etc., etc., then maybe the furry fandom isn't for you. Maybe some people just need to "get out" of the fandom and stop acting like a whiny, crybaby, emo drama llama. >:( Do everybody a favor and get a backbone so to speak, ok?
And.........
People have so much trouble picking a name, or a fursona, or choosing their fursona colors, etc. that you have to write a thread asking for help? :o *facepalms* Being furry isn't rocket science for Christ's sake. If you're stressing this much over deciding what name to have or what fursona to have, then you're making the issue much bigger than it needs to be. Do everybody a favor and calm down! :goldpissed:
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How often I seem to neglect posting here, that's what I hate the most, I love it here, and I just never post often enough, I also don't like it that some people join the fandom and instantly start to NSFW RP, its not all about sex, but that's what some people use if for >:(
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What I have to say isn't going to be nice. I'm telling it how it is, straight from the heart. I'm not going to sugarcoat it.
http://forums.furtopia.org/general-furry-discussion/why-the-need-to-tell-about-furry/
If you're so damn afraid of wearing a tail, whining about how to come out of the closet, etc., etc., then maybe the furry fandom isn't for you. Maybe some people just need to "get out" of the fandom and stop acting like a whiny, crybaby, emo drama llama. >:( Do everybody a favor and get a backbone so to speak, ok?
That's another thing. Being a furry is a hobby or just a general interest a lot of the times! You like human-ish animals! It's not that big of a deal!
Do you let your family/friends know every intimate detail of every hobby you have? No, because it's not that important. Being a furry isn't going to ostracize you from your peers, and if it would, then who the heck are you hanging out with that would let something as minor as a hobby or interest drastically change how they'd treat you!?
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I've been to a furrycon and I can say this from first hand experience. Nobody in this fandom really thinks they are animals! I mean seriously! Every time I walked into a bathroom there was still water in every toilet!
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As always, furry porn. A friend picked out a few rat themed comic books for me to check out at that convention. Every other page was either consensual or rape. There's no real value or story line to that. If you want my business give me something worth reading. Porn should be part of a story. Not the ONLY thing you have to offer.
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i don't really hate this but i find is pretty stupid and annoying. i don't like it when people start asking about what should their fursona's name, colors, species, ect should be... your fursona is yours not any one else. it's your fictional character, you create it.
also for the need to tell my parents thingy.... i just wanted to tell them now so i don't have to tell them when they see my fursuit in the future. also still would have had to tell them some time since when i ask the the book/tablet my mom would ask to see my drawing and ya.... it's have to tell them when they see the drawing. also it's not a big deal, only a big deal if you make it one.
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Our bad media rep. >:( you cant google furry without the word sex coming up with it. >:( >:(
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The stealing of art >:(
or just simply aka "Art thief"
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Realy good artists waisted on18+ crap
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Realy good artists waisted on18+ crap
Yep ^.^ I definitely agree with this one.
Edit: My views have changed. I really really like the 18+ stuff. (I was totally not forced by a certain fox to say this)
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Realy good artists waisted on18+ crap
Yep ^.^ I definitely agree with this one.
well they worked up for drawing skill so they should be able to do what ever they want with it.... also depends on what you mean by 18+ (don't like it when blood/partial nudity is considered 18+)
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Ill pm ya
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My fave artist makes tons of 18+ stuff, (Which I'm not interested in) But she also makes a ton of normal stuff too including one of the best furry graphic novels I've ever seen (Purely PG). Just because people make 18+ stuff doesn't necessarily mean it's all they do, plus it's the way that many make a lot of their money.
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People who has others make their sonas for them, porn or sex poping up where ever the word furry is, oh and people making a big deal about "coming out" as furry to friends and family.
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Whenever something has a stuffed animal, a toy. "It must be furry"
Or a flash animation with anthropomorphic animals.. "it must be furry movie"
Or a picture of a fox "It must be furry"
No.
Don't get me started on furry lingo.. "Pawsome!".
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People who has others make their sonas for them, porn or sex poping up where ever the word furry is, oh and people making a big deal about "coming out" as furry to friends and family.
Yes, this.
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Forgive me for saying this but I hate furs who are so big-headed that they say something like, "My fursuit is better than yours", for example. How childish can they get? Yes, my suit is really good but I'd never rub it into anybody's face (!).
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Whenever something has a stuffed animal, a toy. "It must be furry"
Or a flash animation with anthropomorphic animals.. "it must be furry movie"
Or a picture of a fox "It must be furry"
No.
Don't get me started on furry lingo.. "Pawsome!".
I am so glad I'm not the only one that gets annoyed by these things! Aside from "fursona", I loathe most of the lingo.
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Hey I say pawsome every now and again, nothing wrong with it when used in moderation. x_x
Hate is a strong word, but I do dislike all the the bad rep, and the whole "My parents will kill me when I tell them i'm furry because they don't understand!" Thing, if you know that they won't get it, then don't tell them, it's an interest and a hobby ;)
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People who has others make their sonas for them, porn or sex poping up where ever the word furry is, oh and people making a big deal about "coming out" as furry to friends and family.
I think with coming out as a furry really has to deal with over thinking it. It's people afraid of being judged incorrectly, at least that's what I think.
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Forgive me for saying this but I hate furs who are so big-headed that they say something like, "My fursuit is better than yours", for example. How childish can they get? Yes, my suit is really good but I'd never rub it into anybody's face (!).
that is not only in the fandom.... i hear kids at school saying "oh i got this game and you don't" then another kid says "well i have this game" it's so childish i don't run around rubbing my xbox one, games, and other gaming devices (computers/DS's/PSPs/PS) in every one's face.
but then again when i saw what i have it sounds like i am. i have too many things....
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When I see the inability to separate fantasy from reality. Stereotyping people based on pretend animals and seeking out/refusing to associate with others based on the sex appeal or arbitrarily-assigned traits of said pretend animals. Treating it like astrology but with more fur and scales.
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Sometimes the mob mentality.
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Hate about the fandom... depending on where you go, it's more transparent then other places but there is a lot of elitism within the fandom, at least it seems that way to me. One of the reasons I don't use FA, is because I have several skillful artist friends, and I'm not being modest, yet they don't ever get a second glance because they're clean artists, yet it seems like you draw a bit of 18+ (even if artistically speaking its terrible) art and you become some instant porn star... When having an argument with a friend over this topic he stated it was because they didn't advertise/social network/etc. While I agree that plastering yourself all over the place does help in publicity, however they all do a fair amount of advertising and such...
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I hate it when people use their furry-ness as an excuse to force unwanted affection on me. I don't care if you're the cuddly sort. If I don't give the obvious social cue that I am open for hugs, don't touch me!
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My most hated part of the fandom is when furs are all sexual all the time. that's not what furs are about. You don't have to be sexual all the time to be a fur. it makes me so angry.
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When people take being a furry too far.
I can see liking furry, I can see it being a part of who you are, but I'm seeing more and more people who make their entire existence and identity based around being a furry. Everything has to be them being a furry.
The tail and collar always have to be worn, and if anyone says anything about the appropriateness of wearing them to certain places (like to a wedding), then the shouts of "fursecution!" begin. They talk to anyone and everyone about their fusona or how animal they act or how they connect to animals and then get all upset when the person tries to tell them that they aren't interested in hearing about it. They give collars with name tags to friends because they can "totally see u as a kitty lol u want a fishie kitty" and then flip out when their friend doesn't want to wear the collar or have them acting like they're a cat.
Also the lack of respect for personal boundaries. Not everyone wants to be squealed at and hugged and picked up swung around. Not everyone wants to be petted or randomly have a collar clipped on them.
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Probably the reputation Furry has gained for being more of a fetish than a fandom. I have no interest in sex. I just happen to identify more with nonhuman characters than human ones. I don't like the fact that if you tell someone you're a furry they automatically think you have sexual fantasies about Disney characters. I'm not a sexual person period and I don't like people assuming I am.
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For me it's the rep. To everyone around it's like we're pitbulls or something. They all have a reason to hate us.
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I don't care about 18+ stuff. It just seems pretty normal to me that sexual and other adult themes pop up when you have adult artists making stuff for an adult audience. I know of very few artists I can say for certain who have NEVER drawn anything even remotely suggestive. Look in the portfolios of even Disney artists and you will find that when their audience isn't children, they do not shy away from adult themes.
What does bother me is the lack of consideration some (not all, not even most!) NSFW artists have towards those who may not care to see that particular subject or towards websites that do not allow it. Recently I came across some whiny Tumblr posts because someone learned they couldn't post their cub stuff on Weasyl. Then there are the people who don't tag appropriately and then harass people when they complain. There are the people who put suggestive images or use a cropped portion of an NSFW image for their avatar, not only on FA, but on non-furry sites like game forums. And there's the individuals who wear their modified (at risk of being too explicit) suits to cons, despite having [http://www.anthrocon.org/rules-conduct#rating]rules[/url] against fetish suits/gear in public places. I guess if it's covered in enough bacteria-promoting fibres it's alright.
The people who take it too seriously also bug me. Okay, wear a collar and tail in public if it makes you comfortable. Write lengthy forum posts on the faults of the fandom. But outside of special circumstances you should be able to step back and laugh at the fandom. A critique on the fandom isn't an attack on any person specifically. Yeah, some people make a lot of friends and even meet their partner through the fandom, that's awesome, and I did too, but that still doesn't make furry some sacred precious thing immune to criticism, because hey, people do that everywhere! If furry didn't exist, maybe they'd have been exposed to social situations through the wrestling fandom, it doesn't make wrestling less ridiculous.
At the same time I dislike the people who are pointlessly mean to others over stupid junk. So some kid wants to wear a collar to school? As long as he's happy and it doesn't get in the way of his life, who cares? Oh is he going to hurt the poor fandom's reputation? So what. I don't think people's choices need to be understood (heck I don't understand the people who wear furry gear everyday!), but they should be accepted unless they impact others and/or prevent the person from functioning in their daily life. If you don't agree with what somebody's doing, either find a way to give them advice politely or get on with your life.
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What I really dislike: People who misbehave, and when someone tells you they're idiots they claim it is "fursecution".
Well, maybe you're not hated for being a furry, but for being an obnoxious individual?
The people who take it too seriously also bug me.
People who would rather buy a fursuit than pay their rent. Because going to cons is so much more important than keeping your home.
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The people who take it too seriously also bug me.
People who would rather buy a fursuit than pay their rent. Because going to cons is so much more important than keeping your home.
Omg and then the under-rated sequel: People who buy a fursuit they can't actually afford then get offended when they end up on A_B.
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I would have to say one thing that bothers me about the fandom are the people who let it interfere WAY too much into their daily lives and make an attempt to incorporate it into every little thing in life. Luckily, a good amount of people in the fandom aren't like that, but the fact of the matter is, those kinds of people are out there, and they get on my nerves.
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Another thing that bothers me is when I hear stories of people who "beg" for other people to help them when it comes to going to cons, such as needing help traveling there or getting roomspace, etc. But then don't have the funds or don't have enough to pay their fair share. >:(
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A lot of the things mentioned here are universal problems. Not just associated with the fandom. It's somehow good to know this fandom is no different from other events in life. Or the human race in general.
People taking a hobby to the point of interfering with normal life? I'm guilty of that. When I did play the guitar that's all I did. Did, thought about, talked about, dreamed about. From the time I woke up till I fell asleep.
Spending to much on a hobby is also universal. I know people who will spend their pay check at a bar on Friday night. Then complain they don't have rent. The conversation almost always goes, "I don't get paid enough." The same goes for buying something they can barely make payments on. Counting on overtime for the next five years.
Moochers live off of good hearted people. Even if they have the funds.
I think most of the hated things about the fandom could read "hated things about the human race." It just so happens these people are apart of this fandom. If they weren't here they'd be doing the same somewhere else. It's not the fandom that brings on these problems. These people bring these problems in when they join.
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A lot of the things mentioned here are universal problems. Not just associated with the fandom. It's somehow good to know this fandom is no different from other events in life. Or the human race in general.
People taking a hobby to the point of interfering with normal life? I'm guilty of that. When I did play the guitar that's all I did. Did, thought about, talked about, dreamed about. From the time I woke up till I fell asleep.
Spending to much on a hobby is also universal. I know people who will spend their pay check at a bar on Friday night. Then complain they don't have rent. The conversation almost always goes, "I don't get paid enough." The same goes for buying something they can barely make payments on. Counting on overtime for the next five years.
Moochers live off of good hearted people. Even if they have the funds.
I think most of the hated things about the fandom could read "hated things about the human race." It just so happens these people are apart of this fandom. If they weren't here they'd be doing the same somewhere else. It's not the fandom that brings on these problems. These people bring these problems in when they join.
You know what, Cause...that was a great answer and you bring up a lot of good points. I read through your argument, and I agree with you. A lot of the problems that are described in this thread are pretty much universal with anything.
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Oh, I have a new one:
Inappropriate comments on pictures of dogs.
(http://i.imgur.com/JW0z3Ww.gif)
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I hate that anywhere else on the internet BESIDES the furry fandom, furries are utterly hated. You will find no other website, group of people, fandom, game, or anything, that actually likes furries. Seriously. Was playing Star Fox today in my dorm room and like 3 kids were like "LOL STARFOX YOU flippin' FURGAG YIFF IN HELL" and then there were two SEPARATE clubs that I'm a part of in which I wore a tail to (for Halloween) and people were like "Wow you're a furry? I hate furries."
And don't even get me started on massive websites like 4chan/reddit.
It just sucks. It's a hard truth. And we really don't realize it because we're a part of it.
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i don't really hate anything in our fandom, all the things i hate are not due to the fandom but due to the way people act. nothing here is truly the fandom's fault.
for our reputation i could care less for that. so what if people insult us for what we like it's none of their business. none of that will ever make me say that im not a furry. i told my self that i will not deny me being a furry if some one asks, im proud to be one and nothing will change that. just sadly i will never be my fursona unless genetic engineering does well in the future...
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I hate that anywhere else on the internet BESIDES the furry fandom, furries are utterly hated. You will find no other website, group of people, fandom, game, or anything, that actually likes furries. Seriously. Was playing Star Fox today in my dorm room and like 3 kids were like "LOL STARFOX YOU flippin' FURGAG YIFF IN HELL" and then there were two SEPARATE clubs that I'm a part of in which I wore a tail to (for Halloween) and people were like "Wow you're a furry? I hate furries."
And don't even get me started on massive websites like 4chan/reddit.
It just sucks. It's a hard truth. And we really don't realize it because we're a part of it.
Oh noes :O How mean people can be. I was a bit disturbed about bronies on the internet. I'm fine with it now though. It's not like they are causing any harm to anyone. Funnily enough I only found out one of my internet friends is a furry by talking about bronies. I've actually watched a few Bronie videos on youtube and thought they were pretty cool.
One of the things I don't like about the fandom is not really the fandom itself. I hate derogatory words such as "Furfag". This is assuming that the majority of Furries are gay and that that's a bad thing. It doesn't really bother me though because it's just people being disrespectful. Allot of people are like that and it's not only Furries that have to deal with that sort of thing. All types of people get discriminated against in one way or another.
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The drama. And yes, people who feel the need to "come out of the closet" about being furry. It's honestly not a huge deal.. If you want to wear ears and a tail then do it! If people complain just say that it's a fashion statement, you don't need to tell every random passerby that you feel like you identify with cats more than humans and thus feel the need to dress up like one.
I also love fursuits, but I feel that there are appropriate times to wear them, but also inappropriate times to wear them.
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I don't like FA, especially their forums. Bunch of elitests, drama llamas, trolls, and they have some serious staffing issues/problems. >:(
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You got that right. I wouldn't touch that place with a ten foot pole.
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Completely agree with you Kobuk. I left the FA forum. Not going back. Can't say who's worst. The few people they have left posting or the mods. They're not drama queens. They're trolls.
FA forum. Because trolls need a place to hate each other.
Again I'm happy to point out that these people brought their lack of good personalities into the fandom. Being furry didn't cause the FA forums to become a trash can. Mods allowed these kind of people to congregate. It's not the fandoms fault!! :) Been of forums for years. Seen huge forums vacate overnight because of bad mods. On the better side I've seen really good mods pull a forum out of a nose dive. Drama and misunderstandings happen everywhere on the net. We all come from different backgrounds. It's bound to happen. It's what happens next that's more important. Good people and good mods make a good forum.
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I don't like FA, especially their forums. Bunch of elitests, drama llamas, trolls, and they have some serious staffing issues/problems. >:(
I'm really glad you guys run Furtopia. It's a very nice community and the admins and mods are very nice. (For some weird reason this feels like deja vu)
Thankyou so much Admins and Mods! :)
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I don't like FA, especially their forums. Bunch of elitests, drama llamas, trolls, and they have some serious staffing issues/problems. >:(
Thankyou~ Someone else that finally sees the truth~
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FA. You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy.
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I really hate some of the elitism and smugness that goes on for the stupidest reasons. I really don't care if you like furtopia or FA or inkbunny or weasyl or deviant art more, and refuse to use something else. They're websites. The sense of smug superiority I hear from some people saying "well, I never use <insert website here> because of <this reason>, I'm sooOOooO much better than the people who deign to use it" is completely stupid. I've seen major fallout between friends because one of them used a website that the other person didn't like.
They're websites. Use them or don't, no one cares which ones you do or don't use.
Seriously, having an opinion on something doesn't make you better than anyone else who has a different opinion on that thing. Being all smug isn't impressive, it's vaguely amusing at best and pitiful at worst.
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I understand where your coming from Magna. People with their heads in the clouds because they have a few hundred works of art on one site or another. Their there because it's the best. The "I don't do second best" attitude. What I find even more annoying are forums with a rating system. Seen two types of this. One is done by mods only. You get points for how helpful or informative your post is. The other is done peers. Both have grave disadvantages. Both end up with posting gods that can do no wrong.
I'm going to stand on shaky ground. Perhaps misreading your post. If I've done this PLEASE don't take it personally.
I can only speak for myself. I think I was active on FA for about six months. My personal experience on FA was to be verbally insulted. I personally read threw threads posted by new members. Reading threw the old members verbally beating these kids down for fun. What was even more amazing was reading posts by old member bashing each other. My guess is there was no one new to pick on. Do I think I'm better than they are? HELL YES! I would never treat you that way. Nor anyone else. I'm not an elitist. I'm human.
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I can only speak for myself. I think I was active on FA for about six months. My personal experience on FA was to be verbally insulted. I personally read threw threads posted by new members. Reading threw the old members verbally beating these kids down for fun. What was even more amazing was reading posts by old member bashing each other. My guess is there was no one new to pick on. Do I think I'm better than they are? HELL YES! I would never treat you that way. Nor anyone else. I'm not an elitist. I'm human.
I didn't want to mention which sites I was on to feed into all the slight ranting and dog-piling going on, but I will mention that I am not active on the FA forums at all :P. It seems like there is just too much going on there at any point in time to keep track of, and a lot of toes that might get accidentally stepped on. Things seem to have slightly shifted over time from "attack the new guys!", but it still seems like everyone feels entitled to have their opinion and their opinion only be the deciding factor in how things are run.
Just like in every furry community, there is a lot of immaturity. Just like in every community I'm active in, there are a number of people that I flat-out ignore. It's just a matter of deciding whether or not the amount of people I ignore is worth the contributions of the people I don't ignore.
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Unfortunately none of what I read was accidental. Not by the posters or the mods. Deliberate and belligerent. Drama happens everywhere. On every forum I've ever belonged to. It's how it's handled that's more important. What was posted on FA forums wasn't drama. What i saw on FA forums was inexcusable.
Well blast it. I can't seem to find anything to hate on furrys with. Guess i'll have to search the web. Finds me some trolls and see if I can agree with them. :D
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I'm leaving [fill in the blank] forever...just kidding.
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I really hate furries who speak with young furs (age and time spend in fandom) and start sexual conversations (sometimes meet them and you know what i try to write). It's sick in my opinion. :/ I'm not suprissed media think our fandom based on sexual things because Many of us base on this :/
Third thing what made me angry It's "yiff arts with other peoples than their mates". Sorry but i accept only soft arts with this topic. If I saw a hard figure on which was to be my boyfriend and some of his friends think that my blood flooded.There may be exceptions to the rule, but without exaggeration. There are some limits.
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Samhain, the age difference is my one big fear. Being older than most rocks I'm always afraid someone is going to perceive me as a pervert.
Found something else I get tired of really quick. I like to search for new furry vids on Youtube. Really get tired of all the 'furry love' art and music. I watched part of one. Last year. What a waste. What really ticks me off is there's always new vids of this type. WHY?
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I think This type of behavior rooted in the fandom if they speak with much younger furries. It is unjust that certain individuals even where the age is seen as perverts, like my friend. :/
I have the impression that in general there are two extremes in the fandom, referring to your questions. I see a division of candy furries and those that are considered perverts. Personally, I think the observation that they dominate when it comes to the type of message youtube,galerries etc. Perverts dominate on galerries(in my opinion), candy on youtube.
If you want see nice videos on yt with furry theme watch furry musicans ,fursuiters and artists. I watch only this vids and It's okay for me.
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I was in an IRC room a while ago and an uderage kid joined. The jokes and conversation started to go NSFW and we basically said we were going to stop the conversation there as long as there was a minor in the room. The kid then tried to goad us into carrying on despite being told we didn't want to potentially get in trouble.
I don't actually mind non-monogamous yiff art. It's not my thing, but I think that as long as their partner knows and is okay with it, it's all okay. I'm not one to care what consenting adults do with other consenting adults.
A recent complaint I have is that there are very limited choices for SFW writers to publish short stories. My foxbutt tried to find an anthology to no avail, but was relieved to learn SofaWolf's are not 100% smut.
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Samhain, the age difference is my one big fear. Being older than most rocks I'm always afraid someone is going to perceive me as a pervert.
Found something else I get tired of really quick. I like to search for new furry vids on Youtube. Really get tired of all the 'furry love' art and music. I watched part of one. Last year. What a waste. What really ticks me off is there's always new vids of this type. WHY?
I really like some of those videos. That is, if you are talking about music videos with furry art. It works really well when they fit the images with the emotions portrayed though the music. Some of the images are really cute :) Some images can be a bit inappropriate... I like to watch Fursuit videos on youtube as well.
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I leaving [fill in the blank] forever...just kidding.
Yep... especially the kind of people who say "I'm leaving forever!!!!" and then get mad at averyone who doesn't beg them to stay.
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Found something else I get tired of really quick. I like to search for new furry vids on Youtube. Really get tired of all the 'furry love' art and music. I watched part of one. Last year. What a waste. What really ticks me off is there's always new vids of this type. WHY?
I really like some of those videos. That is, if you are talking about music videos with furry art. It works really well when they fit the images with the emotions portrayed though the music. Some of the images are really cute :) Some images can be a bit inappropriate... I like to watch Fursuit videos on youtube as well.
those videos are nice but then some times make me depressed than i all ready am..... then again is there ever a time where im not thinking about being in a relationship? (never)
but at least those furs have some one.... which reminds me why do i watch those videos if they just make me feel bad?
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Bah... the fact that i'm slowly being absorbed into the fandom... and even worse, it's not entirely against my will. x_x
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all the misconception and negative views from other people or even the thought of being judged negativly :(
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Its a tossup between the panicking of people worrying about 'how to tell about furry' (Which honestly, if you're panicking about, means that in reality it probably wasnt even something worth mentioning to someone to begin with!) or all the elitism over what lets you call yourself furry to begin with (or treating someone like a category-traitor if they decide they dont want to do something that is perceived as the one right and true way to be 'furry'). The second thing isnt actually a furry-specific thing and does show up in other contexts, its just that due to the inherently vague and open nature of 'furry' that it gives a lot more room for hardliners backing a specific definition to start making annoying noise.
[edit] - theres a lot of other good points made in this thread too but, as cause pointed out, they are not *specific* to furry, hence i explicitly didn't mention general things that were just as common outside.
Also I recall once saying the same thing about the FA forums as kobuk did (except more brief and mildly) and as a bit of irony got in trouble for violating rule 2 xP (I think from kobuk himself, but possibly not) - but again, thats a generic problem with a lot of forums, not FA's specifically. I've never had any trouble just using it as an image hosting service. The file resolution limits annoyed us, but other than that it was a better alternative to the overly commercial feel of DA which seemed to be pressing left and right to get premium membership and all that stuff.
Also I have to say that the whole thing about 'furries are hated everywhere D:' is completely untrue - rather its trouble-makers are hated everywhere (except in hives of "scum and villainy" if you happen to be the right kind of trouble maker to fit in). Nearly every community we have been to has been accepting of furries in general (unless again, you cause trouble) - and most of these communities were sites for a specific game.
The transcendence community for example is extremely friendly to furry and the IRC has attracted a fair number of furries for unknown reasons. The only case of a furry hate post that ever occurred was from a guy who had a grudge against us being a community manager & getting the privilege of hotfixing the game, and was using every excuse he had to try to make us look bad. Considering that he was resorting to things like complaining about us being furry, well.. his post because a subject of much laughter in IRC for a few days after which he was promptly forgotten.
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closed species
commission scamming
people who decide they want to "be my mate" before we even make it to good friends...you have to be at least close friends before i will date you
people who RP badly
emotional blackmail
in that order
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whats closed species?
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whats closed species?
This is just a guess, but I've seen people who have created a species of their own, and then they won't let others use it if they want to. Even though the overall character design would be completely different. I've seen people attempt this with various hybrid combinations as well. They want so much to be absolutely unique...
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whats closed species?
This is just a guess, but I've seen people who have created a species of their own, and then they won't let others use it if they want to. Even though the overall character design would be completely different. I've seen people attempt this with various hybrid combinations as well. They want so much to be absolutely unique...
for a guess that is very accurate but they take it a lot further than that
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Furries who get sexual in public, if you want to get it on, go to a room and get it on. Stop giving the media a field day.
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When people know fursuits are expensive and scratch or frail or rough house with the fur. >:(
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The fact that I can't go to Megaplex as full suit Hank, lol.
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It has to be the introduction fetishism and sexuality into the fandom.
Uncle Kage and others referred to the period in the 1990's where some more free spirited furs decide the fandom need more of an adult edge and advertise in gay and fetish communities. Often he use this as his rational in founding Antrhocon. Like any student of history I was intrigued by a debate in the committed between Mark Merlino and Calbeck in comments of Opinion: Misconceptions about the origins of furry fandom.
http://www.flayrah.com/3377/opinion-misconceptions-about-origins-furry-fandom
read for for yourself.
I also do not how some inject or use identity politics in the fandom. For example:
Furry As a Queer Identity.
http://adjectivespecies.com/2013/10/14/furry-as-a-queer-identity/
While I have no problem with LGBT in the fandom I had disagree with any close association because not all are LGBT and it become to huge unnecessary burden to Christian Furs, Teen and younger frus, when parts read or get misinformation on the net.
I recently had two bad, experiences with a sweeping generalization Baby Fur and an immature transgender person. It involves how I chose to express my interest in the Furry culture though my Sanrio Hello Kitty obsession. The Baby Furry could not get into her head than I like Hello Kitty and not be either a Baby Fur or a Sissy fur. The transgender lambasted me that I had the audacity to like Hello Kitty but refuse to identify myself transgendered. The person missed the point one can like Hello Kitty regardless of sex and sexual orientation.
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It has to be the introduction fetishism and sexuality into the fandom.
Uncle Kage and others referred to the period in the 1990's where some more free spirited furs decide the fandom need more of an adult edge and advertise in gay and fetish communities. Often he use this as his rational in founding Antrhocon. Like any student of history I was intrigued by a debate in the committed between Mark Merlino and Calbeck in comments of Opinion: Misconceptions about the origins of furry fandom.
http://www.flayrah.com/3377/opinion-misconceptions-about-origins-furry-fandom
read for for yourself.
I also do not how some inject or use identity politics in the fandom. For example:
Furry As a Queer Identity.
http://adjectivespecies.com/2013/10/14/furry-as-a-queer-identity/
While I have no problem with LGBT in the fandom I had disagree with any close association because not all are LGBT and it become to huge unnecessary burden to Christian Furs, Teen and younger frus, when parts read or get misinformation on the net.
I recently had two bad, experiences with a sweeping generalization Baby Fur and an immature transgender person. It involves how I chose to express my interest in the Furry culture though my Sanrio Hello Kitty obsession. The Baby Furry could not get into her head than I like Hello Kitty and not be either a Baby Fur or a Sissy fur. The transgender lambasted me that I had the audacity to like Hello Kitty but refuse to identify myself transgendered. The person missed the point one can like Hello Kitty regardless of sex and sexual orientation.
That article on LGBTQ (whatever the current accepted acronym is) was interesting. I understand how you find it unnecessary for others in the fandom to be burdened with prejudice that is usually directed towards queer people. However, that is just not the case. People within that fandom experience prejudice because they are different as well as the various misconceptions (The stereotype that most furries are gay is annoying. Not just because it is untrue, but because they are using the word "gay" in a negative way). The people within the fandom are more diverse in sexuality than the general public because it is more accepted within the fandom.
Most of the prejudice that people would experience would just be because of the prejudice towards the adult side of the fandom with some of the general sterotypes being based of "queerphobia". Basically it's just people hating on stuff just because they can, or are stupid enough to believe and spread misconceptions. It is sad that parents can be misinformed... However, some parents may not want their child participating in the fandom because there is an adult side or because they don't like the fact that there is homosexuals / queers in the fandom.
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"Your commissions prices are too expensive, can you do it for free?"
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"Your commissions prices are too expensive, can you do it for free?"
"Your commissions prices are too expensive, can you do it for free?"
"Your commissions prices are too expensive, can you do it for free?"
. If you do not work, sweat, sacrifice and save to pay the price of a fursuit, or spend the time making one, you will not appreciate it.
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All of my problems with the furry fandom have to do with people being over zealous about other things then working in furry stuff into their bad habits. it promotes the stigma that surrounds our "little" community.
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- The lack of responsibility that tends to fall among the fandom. I have had people get upset with me for missing a convention (I was not their room-mate or anything that was crucial to them attending.) . It's a convention. I've been to 42 of them and each one is basically the exact same when it boils down to it. I feel that there are few furies in this age who take serious financial responsibility and when it comes to a choice between a convention or a rent/house payment, they choose the convention.
-"how cheap are your fur suits? Can you do it for $500?"
-Inability to hold a conversation about anything not furry-related.
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- The lack of responsibility that tends to fall among the fandom. <snip> I feel that there are few furies in this age who take serious financial responsibility and when it comes to a choice between a convention or a rent/house payment, they choose the convention.
Agreed with this. ;) Or even better, how about the people who beg and whine right up to the last minute who need a room/roomshare? >:(
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-Inability to hold a conversation about anything not furry-related.
I haven't personally found this one to be true. People at the local meets here talk about everything from obscure board gaming to political debates. ...I almost wish they would talk about furry stuff more.
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...I almost wish they would talk about furry stuff more.
THIS THIS THIS
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Most furmeets in my area have the "not talking about anything that isn't furry" issue. Drives me nuts. Being furry isn't enough for me to build a friendship on, and if you're obsessive about one topic, I'm not likely to want to get to know you better anyway.
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I honestly thought I'd never have anything more to add to this thread.
I was recently involved in a thread on a different furry forum. In a nutshell the opening post was,
There's this great new article about the furry fandom!!!! BUT this one troll comment was left.
The poster pasted the troll comment. Not a single word was quoted from the positive article. But every word of a single troll comment was there for everyone to be a victim of. And there were plenty to be had. TEN posts. NOT a single word about the positive article. NOT ONE! Everyone gathered to be victims of yet another fandom ending troll comment. So I posted. I thought one of the claims made by the troll was funny. Really not a good thing to do. I didn't know this at the time I posted. I didn't really think it threw. Sometimes you don't think to put one and one together. This thread wasn't about a positive article. It was about wanting to be victims. I'm not pointing at the other members of that forum. That's not what this post is about. It's about EVERY fury out there who looks for ways to be a victim. Then, despite all truth, holds on to being a victim for deer life.
I'm a Fury. Not a victim.
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The DRAMA. Furry drama is the worst and most contageous kind, sadly
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the lack of guides for how to create art of species X
where X is a less common species...aka not a fox, wolf, feline, or dragon
i'm not hating on those people for their fursona species choice, but there really isn't a lot of how to's for rabbits
especially fursuit heads
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Has to be the drama...noting like furry internet drama...and giving the trolls a massive buffet of content to fill certain web sites with...anyone else remember the stupid youtube war....
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I rather resent the general assumption that fursuiting leads to some sort of carnal activity. A clear case of projection on the part of the beholder with a dirty mind IMHO.
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the lack of guides for how to create art of species X
where X is a less common species...aka not a fox, wolf, feline, or dragon
i'm not hating on those people for their fursona species choice, but there really isn't a lot of how to's for rabbits
especially fursuit heads
Yes, a thousand times yes! it is so validating to know that someone else has this same gripe, it is extraordinary how the less abundant species get somewhat screwed over.
Have you ever tried to find a tutorial on how to make hooves?! let alone digitigrade ones? it is absolutely impossible!
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Drama
Bad Reputation
and everything porn(or18+) that comes up with the word 'furry'
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One more, The media :
If I hear one more reporter describe furry fandom as people who dress up in animal suits I am going to scream.
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For me, the things I hate about the Furry fandom is Furry terms like "popufur". That term in particular irritates the crud out of me to no end. I don't use them because of how irritating they are
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Drama
Bad Reputation
and everything porn(or18+) that comes up with the word 'furry'
"everything porn that comes up with the word 'furry'
There is no else furry around me. Definitely no one my age. So I spend time searching for things on line. Did a You Tube search, refined my search with 'upload date'. Found two vids that looked like they'd be worth watching. A group of fursuiters laying on and touching each other. Why is the fandom it's own worst enemy?
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the lack of guides for how to create art of species X
where X is a less common species...aka not a fox, wolf, feline, or dragon
i'm not hating on those people for their fursona species choice, but there really isn't a lot of how to's for rabbits
especially fursuit heads
My advice- reference, reference reference. Your best bet is going to be to look outside the fandom because, to be blunt, furries tend to not be great at non-canine animals anyway. Even if you can't find 'art' guide, chances are, especially for a domestic animal, you can find lots of photos and anatomical diagrams. Rabbits have a pretty good base of information on them, skeletal charts, veterinary charts, hairless rabbits, and if you don't mind gore and death actual photos of their musculature.
Also I found a quick guide for you: http://akreon.deviantart.com/art/Rabbit-Drawing-Tips-317346589
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I think I'm just playing a broken record here, but most of my issues with the fandom tend to stem from the 18+ category of work. Seriously, it gives the fandom a bad rep, and you're only solidifying the stereotype that furries are perverts, when you decide to draw/write nothing but porn, especially the outlandish, weird, and sometimes vile kind that somehow makes it past the no-porn rules on some sites (I'm looking at you, deviantART!).
My second gripe is more or less a shallow one. And that is the lack of diversity in fursona species. Seriously, there are TONS of animals out in the world, a lot of them more exciting and more unique than the fandom favorites. All you have to do is a little digging and you're bound to find something that strikes your fancy.
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I think I'm just playing a broken record here, but most of my issues with the fandom tend to stem from the 18+ category of work. Seriously, it gives the fandom a bad rep, and you're only solidifying the stereotype that furries are perverts, when you decide to draw/write nothing but porn, especially the outlandish, weird, and sometimes vile kind that somehow makes it past the no-porn rules on some sites (I'm looking at you, deviantART!).
My second gripe is more or less a shallow one. And that is the lack of diversity in fursona species. Seriously, there are TONS of animals out in the world, a lot of them more exciting and more unique than the fandom favorites. All you have to do is a little digging and you're bound to find something that strikes your fancy.
Right, but at the end of the day people are entitled to what they like and what they want to spend their money on.
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I think my greatest frustration is over finding local furs. Of all the fandoms and con-goers out there, I've met anime people, lots and lots of gamers, some trekies, but rarely any furs.
That's not to discount online friends and such, but meeting in person is important too.
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The people who can't wrap their heads around the fact that being a furry is different for everyone. While you may think of it as a hobby, someone else thinks of it as a lifestyle, and someone else might fall in between.
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The people who can't wrap their heads around the fact that being a furry is different for everyone. While you may think of it as a hobby, someone else thinks of it as a lifestyle, and someone else might fall in between.
Basically same here. If there's anything I've learned being in the fandom for 10 years, it's that people care way too much about whether or not someone is like them (I mean, that's people in general, but seems especially bad here). It's our differences in involvement and opinions that makes the fandom so interesting imo.
Also I personally don't have an issue with the furry porn thing, but details would be more suited to the adult forum.
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Realy good artists waisted on18+ crap
Yep ^.^ I definitely agree with this one.
Also agreed, that and I don't care for the 18+ adult artwork/furry porn. I feel if we did away with that part of the fandom, people would be more welcoming of furries/more open minded to be one.
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Put it this way if it exists there's a porn version of it! Every fandom will have a bad side it's just a fact and we have to live with that.
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The fact that so many furs disparage things other furs enjoy, especially when it comes to kinks, fetishes, etc. It's like "I have these couple kinks and they're cool BUT YOU'RE DISGUSTING FOR LIKING THAT"
Can't we all just get along?
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Realy good artists waisted on18+ crap
Yep ^.^ I definitely agree with this one.
Also agreed, that and I don't care for the 18+ adult artwork/furry porn. I feel if we did away with that part of the fandom, people would be more welcoming of furries/more open minded to be one.
Not a fan here either, but i've come to terms with the fact that adult artwork has a place and time (and audience.) If you don't like it, just ignore it as best you can.
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I don't care for much of the 18+ stuff(i steer way faraway from it) too it's just kinda meh to me :P. Like you said Tren that if we didn't have any of the 18+ stuff, people would think differently of us.
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I don't care for much of it too it's just kinda meh to me. Like you said Tren that if we didn't have any of the 18+ stuff, people would think differently of us.
You called me by my name! YUSS!!
You get a cookie. :)
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Yay cookie lol! Just doing things what people want me to do.
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I don't care for much of the 18+ stuff(i steer way faraway from it) too it's just kinda meh to me :P. Like you said Tren that if we didn't have any of the 18+ stuff, people would think differently of us.
First impressions are lasting impressions the stereotypes mostly spawn from very early fur cons, that combined with our ability to deal with media as a whole since then. Cause the furry fandom seems to love to squirm at media attention, which makes the media say "hey they squirm lets poke them some more :DDDD"
That in combination with common media tactics pretty much anyone interviewed by the media ends up looking like a total idiot. *sighs*
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^ exactly, seems like it'll never end, but one day maybe people will know the real truth about furries. :)
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People are idiots. They single out furry fandom and saddle it with the stigma that all furries are into animal sex yet they fail to grasp the simple fact that ALL fandom's have porn. You name it there's dirty artwork and fan fiction of it somewhere on the internet. Transformers porn exists. Yes, someone, somewhere managed to find a way to make robots, who I might add would reproduce entirely differently from organics, have sex. They create porn for characters for whom having sex would be a foreign and probably squicky concept. Every fandom has porn. To single out one for doing what every single other fandom does is mind bogglingly stupid.
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People are idiots. They single out furry fandom and saddle it with the stigma that all furries are into animal sex yet they fail to grasp the simple fact that ALL fandom's have porn. You name it there's dirty artwork and fan fiction of it somewhere on the internet. Transformers porn exists. Yes, someone, somewhere managed to find a way to make robots, who I might add would reproduce entirely differently from organics, have sex. They create porn for characters for whom having sex would be a foreign and probably squicky concept. Every fandom has porn. To single out one for doing what every single other fandom does is mind bogglingly stupid.
More so they did do it with the other fandoms, they just didn't freak out like the furry fandom did.
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yes all fandoms have porn. It's the sheer amount and importance it has in this fandom. MLP. Star Trek and the rest all have it. They have a small amount of it to a large fan base. Furry is a relatively small fandom with a huge amount of porn. From an outsider perspective? When most of furry comics are porn. Most of furry literature is porn. Most of furry art is porn. What are they supposed to believe? Then there's the videos. I've heard it said that youtube is unkind to furrys. That's not the truth. Youtube only displays the videos furrys upload. i've watched convention videos that show fursuiters in extremely inappropriate behavior within eye shot of small kids. Full contact groping. I've searched for these videos but have not been able to relocate them. These actions taken were not center frame. They were off to the left within the intended video. going in and out of the frame. My guess is the person taking the shots wasn't aware of these actions. There were two videos that had the same group of furries in them. We don't get a bad wrap for no reason. It's not a false accusation when it's so prevalent. The facts look bad for all of us.
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The media who gets everything wrong about the furry fandom. Like that 1000 ways to die episode,furry group i'm in doesn't do that stuff at all. When i meet with furry group,they just hang out,and talk story,fursuit and such.
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The fact that so many furs disparage things other furs enjoy, especially when it comes to kinks, fetishes, etc. It's like "I have these couple kinks and they're cool BUT YOU'RE DISGUSTING FOR LIKING THAT"
Can't we all just get along?
yep that gets pretty annoying. if they dont like those things they can avoid them, but instead they are kinda hostile about it existing.
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They're hostile because it sheds a bad light on the rest of us. I don't care what kind of fetishes a person has. That's their business. Just keep it behind closed doors. Because these people refuse to stop shouting to the world how much they like to hump their Care Bears or dress up in fursuits and have sex or post drawings of the backside of wolves with the anus lovingly rendered with great detail all furries have been saddled with the idea that we're all sex freaks. It effects all of us. Tolerance is one thing but when their antics are the cause of anyone who is into anthro animals being labeled sexual deviants it's no wonder there's so much hostility towards the porn side of the fandom.
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They're hostile because it sheds a bad light on the rest of us. I don't care what kind of fetishes a person has. That's their business. Just keep it behind closed doors. Because these people refuse to stop shouting to the world how much they like to hump their Care Bears or dress up in fursuits and have sex or post drawings of the backside of wolves with the anus lovingly rendered with great detail all furries have been saddled with the idea that we're all sex freaks. It effects all of us. Tolerance is one thing but when their antics are the cause of anyone who is into anthro animals being labeled sexual deviants it's no wonder there's so much hostility towards the porn side of the fandom.
As an artist I fail to see much hostility to the NSFW side of the fandom by members of the community, in fact it's pretty lucrative. Granted yes there are clean art groups and such, however for the most part people don't lash out at a random artist because they draw NSFW art. They either ignore it or ask for more lol which is honestly the way it should be.
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Babyfurs who wear diapers. :P Seriously?
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Babyfurs who wear diapers. :P Seriously?
I personally don't care for babyfurs and generally tend to avoid them when possible, however I have my own "oddities" so I agree to disagree and leave it at that.
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Furries trying to correct non furs by giving them a hostile response if your going to try to educate people stop your yelling and try to speak with a calm tone and don't call them idiots just walk off when you cnt get through to them
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Babyfurs who wear diapers. :P Seriously?
yep... fnd it kinda odd with the whole diaper thing. doesnt effect me so i dont mind that much.
They're hostile because it sheds a bad light on the rest of us. I don't care what kind of fetishes a person has. That's their business. Just keep it behind closed doors. Because these people refuse to stop shouting to the world how much they like to hump their Care Bears or dress up in fursuits and have sex or post drawings of the backside of wolves with the anus lovingly rendered with great detail all furries have been saddled with the idea that we're all sex freaks. It effects all of us. Tolerance is one thing but when their antics are the cause of anyone who is into anthro animals being labeled sexual deviants it's no wonder there's so much hostility towards the porn side of the fandom.
well from what iv seen they do tend to keep it to them selves (devoted sights for that type of stuff, and labeled NSFW on other art sights) i have never really seen them spreading the stuff all over the place. the reason for the bad rep is because people actually look for the NSFW content because they think furries are weird, and they want to find something "bad" about the fandom just to cause trouble/get attention. i dont see why they are to blame for the bad rep when haters are actively looking for them just to say all furs are like that.
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It's not nearly as bad now as it used to be. But the haters would never have known about the NSFW stuff if people had always kept it to themselves. A fire can't start without a spark. The NSFW folks seem to have gotten wiser in recent years but the damage has already been done.
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I see both points of view. But People are allowed to do their own thing, whether it makes us look bad or not. As long as we know we're not like that (well only if you don't like it) then what's the problem? Them again I'm so used to being judged for my actions.
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Artwork and fetishes aside I dislike those who take the games and RP too serious then pick on the
beginner or those who may have a disability. After all it's supposed to be for fun. I realise some put a
lot of time and effort in to what they like. But they shouldn't treat those who don't play well or just
for fun like dopes or idiots. If they want serious play, then make it clear to begin with.
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You bring up a good point Old Rabbit. I cannot stand it when people are excluded from events because they're new or whatever.
Thankfully though, furries tend to be very welcoming to new people, even in-person and at cons (though you still need to be brave as the new person and make an effort).
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Realy good artists waisted on18+ crap
Yep ^.^ I definitely agree with this one.
Also agreed, that and I don't care for the 18+ adult artwork/furry porn. I feel if we did away with that part of the fandom, people would be more welcoming of furries/more open minded to be one.
Not a fan here either, but i've come to terms with the fact that adult artwork has a place and time (and audience.) If you don't like it, just ignore it as best you can.
this is basically how i feel. I don't like it, but it's not like i can stop it. I also think if it wasn't there, more people would just laugh with us and take a picture with someone in a suit. I also dont like it much cause i only have one person at my school is also furry, to my knowledge, and when ever i try to talk to her about her or show her art, she almost always make some sexual comment about it and it annoys me to no end...
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i also get teased because i am a wolf/ocelot that has natural colors and so people have told me i'm generic and basic because so many people choose wolves :P
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Don't listen to them they are just some one trying to troll you
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Realy good artists waisted on18+ crap
Yep ^.^ I definitely agree with this one.
Also agreed, that and I don't care for the 18+ adult artwork/furry porn. I feel if we did away with that part of the fandom, people would be more welcoming of furries/more open minded to be one.
Not a fan here either, but i've come to terms with the fact that adult artwork has a place and time (and audience.) If you don't like it, just ignore it as best you can.
this is basically how i feel. I don't like it, but it's not like i can stop it. I also think if it wasn't there, more people would just laugh with us and take a picture with someone in a suit. I also dont like it much cause i only have one person at my school is also furry, to my knowledge, and when ever i try to talk to her about her or show her art, she almost always make some sexual comment about it and it annoys me to no end...
Yes it seems there is a audience for about anything. As long as there is someone will fill the need.
I never posted really naughty art because I felt there is more than enough online without my help,
and I didn't want the name for it either.
It would be nice if more really good artists took the time to draw clean furry art. It would make
it easier to talk about and show to others.
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Yes it seems there is a audience for about anything. As long as there is someone will fill the need.
I never posted really naughty art because I felt there is more than enough online without my help,
and I didn't want the name for it either.
It would be nice if more really good artists took the time to draw clean furry art. It would make
it easier to talk about and show to others.
What's so weird is that, in my observation over the years, it seems like there's a sort of stigma on artists who don't do naughty artwork. Like, they get passed up a lot for commission transactions in favor of artists who do 18+ stuff whether or not the commission in question is 18+.
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i also get teased because i am a wolf/ocelot that has natural colors and so people have told me i'm generic and basic because so many people choose wolves :P
Let me guess, said people who have been teasing you are neon-colored 3-plus species hybrids who want to make sure that they will never be mistaken for someone else? (No offense intended to all you neon-colored 3-plus species hybrids.)
Natural colors are legit, and don't let anyone tell you otherwise! 8)
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It would be nice if more really good artists took the time to draw clean furry art. It would make
it easier to talk about and show to others.
What's so weird is that, in my observation over the years, it seems like there's a sort of stigma on artists who don't do naughty artwork. Like, they get passed up a lot for commission transactions in favor of artists who do 18+ stuff whether or not the commission in question is 18+.
I think a lot of people like to look at naughty art, but don't wish to admit it. So such artwork is probably
noticed more than we would think, along with the artist. We should remember that some feel there is
a difference between Erotica and porn. Naughty and nasty so to speak. I imagine most good artists try to
stay with erotica over porn.
It could be artists who draw mostly clean furry art are looked on as drawing art for children, and not
looked on as a serious furry artist.
Unless someone draws mostly as a hobby as I do. Many probably feel they have to draw naughty art to get
noticed, so they can perhaps make a living at something they really love to do.
I would like to see more good clean furry art though, but it's not likely to change.
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I can't say that having 18+ things means its bad, or even the 18+ things are bad.
None of it should be judge.
If people dress up as furries and yiff around, that's ok as long as they are safe
If people draw artwork of pornagraphic scenes, that to is ok.
If people incorporate being a furry as part of their lively hood then kodos to them for being so confident in their choices and lifestyle, I couldn't do it.
Regardless of why you became a furry, whether art, philosophy, acting, dance, belief, or just appreciation, no matter what, it shouldn't be seen harshly, any of it.
It's its own world that has splendidly been brought together by countless peoples imagination, beliefs, views, skills, etc.
In the end the fact that this world exists purly by us, I think it's remarkable and beautiful and by being confident and content in such, regardless why, is worth admiring.
*huggles*
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How really nasty & stupid including how bent out of shape allot of non-furs get over a goddamn fandom.
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Ever since I turned 18 and turned off my SFW filter I gotten pretty use to NSFW stuff. Although I only like tasteful nudity, not straight up porn^^' But every fandom has it, so I'm not so bothered by it.
One thing that really annoys me about the fandom is the whole species and design thing.
If your a wolf, your just bland and boring, pick something more unique.
If your a rarer species your just trying to be a special snowflake.
Your a blue husky, your copying me!
You have too many colors. Your design is generic.
etc,etc,etc
It seems when it comes to fursona species and design, its a damned if you do, damned if you don't type of thing.
I also don't like how some artists either don't draw certian species or make them all look like cats or dogs.
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Not having any space in my art book and having no stationary >:(
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I use to be a "clean" artist, but not anymore. You know why? It's a literal gold mine for furry artists... Because lets think about the avg cost of a commission... now think about your avg piece of NSFW art... Multiple characters, complex backgrounds, coloring, shading, sometimes even multiple full piece works in the form of a comic. That is a lot of money depending on the artist. Now I'm not saying the same can't be true for clean art but with NSFW art it's almost a guarantee, because everyone wants there porn to look nice they're often gifts for there partners etc. So they're gonna spend crazy amounts of money on it more often then not...
Most clean art tend to be personal pieces, generally colored and cell shaded but only containing a single character and often without a background, or only a simple backgrounds. I'm not going to condemn an artist an artist for offering there services for such a lucrative market, and when it comes down to it, it's how they make there income, so I say all the power to you. Plus here is the thing, most hosting sites make it pretty easy to block out the NSFW side of the fandom so I really don't see much of a problem but oh well sleepy wolf just got off work and I wanna take a nap now *flops and can't wait to start drawing after my nap* ... totally not gonna be drawing NSFW things :P
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How really nasty & stupid including how bent out of shape allot of non-furs get over a goddamn fandom.
Yeah,someone at a con was complaining about us furries making characters sexy by drawing body parts on animal characters. Kinda ironic too,considering the con i was at had a panel where people talked about star trek and star wars slash fiction,hentai and even sexualized superhero costumes. Hypocrisy much.
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How really nasty & stupid including how bent out of shape allot of non-furs get over a goddamn fandom.
Yeah,someone at a con was complaining about us furries making characters sexy by drawing body parts on animal characters. Kinda ironic too,considering the con i was at had a panel where people talked about star trek and star wars slash fiction,hentai and even sexualized superhero costumes. Hypocrisy much.
He fits the I've no idea what I'm talking about but still expects people to take him seriously type guy. To add my own back when i used to be on reddit & was reading a worst fandom thread it was really annoying how most of it was just ignorant idiots just saying furries or bronies. but anytime i called a few out they would go on a rant how I'm a monster for not taking there garbage opinion seriously or just downvote me heavily.
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How really nasty & stupid including how bent out of shape allot of non-furs get over a goddamn fandom.
Yeah,someone at a con was complaining about us furries making characters sexy by drawing body parts on animal characters. Kinda ironic too,considering the con i was at had a panel where people talked about star trek and star wars slash fiction,hentai and even sexualized superhero costumes. Hypocrisy much.
He fits the I've no idea what I'm talking about but still expects people to take him seriously type guy. To add my own back when i used to be on reddit & was reading a worst fandom thread it was really annoying how most of it was just ignorant idiots just saying furries or bronies. but anytime i called a few out they would go on a rant how I'm a monster for not taking there garbage opinion seriously or just downvote me heavily.
Uh?
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How really nasty & stupid including how bent out of shape allot of non-furs get over a goddamn fandom.
Yeah,someone at a con was complaining about us furries making characters sexy by drawing body parts on animal characters. Kinda ironic too,considering the con i was at had a panel where people talked about star trek and star wars slash fiction,hentai and even sexualized superhero costumes. Hypocrisy much.
He fits the I've no idea what I'm talking about but still expects people to take him seriously type guy. To add my own back when i used to be on reddit & was reading a worst fandom thread it was really annoying how most of it was just ignorant idiots just saying furries or bronies. but anytime i called a few out they would go on a rant how I'm a monster for not taking there garbage opinion seriously or just downvote me heavily.
Uh?
Reddit can go overboard with drama since I've seen people getting attacked for being furs because someone went through there comment history when they lost a argument or something. Never really liked the place since is way too up & down for my tastes, i had report someone once on r/furry when he basically said that autistic are not fit for the fandom & nearly a second time when another misread my OP in a thread & got really nasty about it as well.
I better stop now since I'm now just ranting. >.>
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I understand
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I understand
That thing about someone misreading my OP she actually got upset that i said something negative FA & tried too twist it into that i was trolling. r/furry is really pro FA I've gotten downvoted for saying why i prefer sofurry & weasyl over FA for music reasons. yet all the responses i got were people ignoring why i joined those site or just getting touchy when i said that doing stuff that's not electronic or dance gets ignored & how basic the music section is.
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there was one thread were the FA admins said that because joining FA is free the users don't have the say that they want a better site. when i called that out all i got was people just downvoting me while kept replying to me that it was just satire with out going into any detail. basically reddit just a joke it just 4chan if tried way too hard hide the fact that its just an idiot & r/furry just a circlejerking cesspit from last time i posted there before deleting my account.
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Before I became a furry (right when I had found out about it), I was really quite interested and spent some time reading about furries, otherkins, and therians on my phone, actually getting into it. However, I accidentally stumbled onto a page with about 100 "furry" terms...
You could say that put me off of the fandom for a while, but nonetheless I returned, became a furry, and realized that hardly anyone actually uses all those words ;)
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Before I became a furry (right when I had found out about it), I was really quite interested and spent some time reading about furries, otherkins, and therians on my phone, actually getting into it. However, I accidentally stumbled onto a page with about 100 "furry" terms...
You could say that put me off of the fandom for a while, but nonetheless I returned, became a furry, and realized that hardly anyone actually uses all those words ;)
Was it Wikifur?
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Was it Wikifur?
No; after trying to find the same site again, I think it was from a site called Furry Dolphin.
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I don't know if there's anything I particularly "hate", as such... but if I had to pick one, it would be inadequate separation of reality and fantasy. I've had a few encounters with furries who cross boundaries because they're "in character" that would earn a non-suiter a stern talking-to. Take the time to figure out who's playing and who's not :D
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Feeling like an oppressed rebel even though not a single person i know in person has done so much as lift a finger about me being a furry.
I guess all these horror stories about coming out messed with my idea of how it would go for me. Was less than painless for me.
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First thing I hate- there are not enough furries around my area. Not that's the fandom's fault, but it still makes me sad. >.>'
I hate how some people just refuse to learn or even comprehend that being furry is not just a fetish. I tried explaining the truth to a guy once, and he just kept ignoring what I said and saying things like "don't expect me to dress up in an animal suit as a sexual favor, lol." I wouldn't want that anyway. I'm asexual, for crying out loud.
I think those are the only negative things I've experienced so far... *knocks on wood*
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^^ So true about the fetish thing. Some people just refuse to listen. >:(
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Probably how I've encountered furries who assumed that just because we were furries we'd be sexually open, or at least open to ERP, and then they take it badly that neither we nor our pack-family is.... Even worse when they try to ERP without even asking if its a thing we'd do. Ugh!
:P
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I hate how some people just refuse to learn or even comprehend that being furry is not just a fetish.
Well, it can be hard not to believe when there's so much evidence to the contrary available if you end up looking in the wrong places.
Take it from me, the guy who wishes with what's left of his tattered soul that he hadn't looked in the wrong places. x_x
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First thing I hate- there are not enough furries around my area. Not that's the fandom's fault, but it still makes me sad. >.>'
I hate how some people just refuse to learn or even comprehend that being furry is not just a fetish. I tried explaining the truth to a guy once, and he just kept ignoring what I said and saying things like "don't expect me to dress up in an animal suit as a sexual favor, lol." I wouldn't want that anyway. I'm asexual, for crying out loud.
I think those are the only negative things I've experienced so far... *knocks on wood*
Yeah,that makes me mad as well. many who think we use our fursuits for adult things and such and won't listen to what we say furry is and when we tell them that that stuff isn't part of the fandom,they won't listen to our explanations of the fandom
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People who have bad body odor and come up to you when you're in fursuit and want to give you a hug. Eeeww. :P x_x
This next one has never happened to me, but I have heard stories from others: People who think your fursuit/fursuit character is hot and sexy looking, and inappropriately grab or touch you in places they shouldn't. Especially people who "accidentally" do it in public places. :o
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Yeah,that makes me mad as well. many who think we use our fursuits for adult things and such and won't listen to what we say furry is and when we tell them that that stuff isn't part of the fandom,they won't listen to our explanations of the fandom
It is a part of the fandom. As in, the fandom contains that. Though it's certainly not a major part of it like some people seem to think. I would totally agree that the whole "furries are people that have sex in animal costumes" thing is very irritating.
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Yeah,that makes me mad as well. many who think we use our fursuits for adult things and such and won't listen to what we say furry is and when we tell them that that stuff isn't part of the fandom,they won't listen to our explanations of the fandom
It is a part of the fandom. As in, the fandom contains that. Though it's certainly not a major part of it like some people seem to think. I would totally agree that the whole "furries are people that have sex in animal costumes" thing is very irritating.
Yeah. I'm sure there are some people in star trek who do it dressed up as Klingons or such,but yet it's this fandom that gets judged,when others get a pass.
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I like the filters on Weasyl
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I don't "hate" it but I does dissapoint me that the creativity can be low sometimes. What I mean by this (and don't take it the wrong way) is that I do browse a lot of furry art (SFW stuff because NSFW isn't my thing but if you like it, it doesn't bother me just don't smother me with unasked for porn.) I really wish there were more unique animals to look at. Now, I have nothing against foxes, wolves, cats, etc. But I'd like to see different body structures draw out. Different looking animals in different styles. Now I don't mean, "If you're a wolf change your fursona." No. People could just simply draw other things. Like, "Hey I got some free time maybe I'll draw a salamander or a tanuki!". Wolves are majestic, foxes are clever, and dragons are wise but I just want a variety of aesthetic. Now I know "You can't force people to draw what you like or maybe they do a lot of commissions." Yes I understand that. But I'm not evil for simply wanting others to really stretch those creative horizons. As one artist to the art community.
It also bothers me when other furs get upset because someone doesn't have the exact same opinion as them. I see this a lot with the NSFW content topics. People should be able to do what they want, within reason. For example two or more CONSENTING ADULTS. Basically if you are forcing someone sexually, you sir or ma'am are a weiner. Now there are 18+ things in the furry fandom and others that I don't agree with or particularly like, but to each their own for example I don't understand vore at all or really care to know what it's all about. But I still have a friend who likes it and is into it. Do I judge him for it? Hell no. I treat him the same way I did before I knew.
But these are my opinions, I know not everyone is gunna like it or agree but that's a given. Sorry this was so long! Just after reading this thread I had to voice my opinion~
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The lack of creativity and the constant asking for help with designing your fursona does grind my gears.
Kind-a in opposition to the last point, is how some people have tons of fursonas. Let me clarify that I don't have a problem with that. It's one of those "to each his own" things. However, as I understand it, the fursona is supposed to be an 'animalistic' reflection of yourself and who you are. For those of you who've read the Inheritance Cycle, I liken the fursona to being almost a furry personification of your true name.
I have very strong reasoning behind, for example, why I'm a fox and why I have mismatched eyes.
In any case, I can sort-a understand why people are always asking for help; personifying yourself in a single piece of art, as it were, is no easy task. Thing is, the person who can best help you with that journey-of-self is... yourself.
...aaaaand here's the crescendo:
What I truly hate about the furry fandom is the so-called "adult material." That's all of the porn/vore/size/whatever fetish stuff there is that's gotten into the Furry Fandom. I'm no Burned Fur, but all of that stuff was never originally part of the fandom.
If you couldn't tell (: I happen find that stuff terribly offensive and wrong.
As much as I may detest it however, nothing I do is going to stop it, nor am I about to start going about trolling and flaming those people.
I'm just going to sit back in my comfy chair, tail wrapped around me, and enjoy the warmth of my own fiery indignation. :)
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When one hears about furries trolling Tony the Tiger. Seriously?? Inappropriate comments sent to an advertising icon? Who thought that was funny? As if the fandom doesn't have an image (inaccurate as it may be) problem already. Fortunately that little furor died down quickly.
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The lack of creativity and the constant asking for help with designing your fursona does grind my gears.
Kind-a in opposition to the last point, is how some people have tons of fursonas. Let me clarify that I don't have a problem with that. It's one of those "to each his own" things. However, as I understand it, the fursona is supposed to be an 'animalistic' reflection of yourself and who you are.
Do i scrape by the issue of too many fursonas by having a very strong awareness and understanding of the different parts of my personality, and therefore having multiple characters to represent different aspects of who i believe myself to be? :D
Additionally, if you're ever asked for help in designing another person's fursona, just link them to this handy naming tool!
http://fantasynamegenerators.com/fursona-names.php (http://fantasynamegenerators.com/fursona-names.php)
"Oh ya need a fursona name eh? How bout Moltenhusky Hardhide! Nah? Fine den, can't say i didn't try an help ya!"
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Do i scrape by the issue of too many fursonas by having a very strong awareness and understanding of the different parts of my personality, and therefore having multiple characters to represent different aspects of who i believe myself to be? :D
Excellent point there :D The mind is a complex thing and has many facets, and that's why someone's having a plethora of fursonas doesn't actually bother me.
Besides, how could one expect someone with MPD or schizophrenia to limit themselves to one fursona? (:
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I really wish there were more unique animals to look at. Now, I have nothing against foxes, wolves, cats, etc. But I'd like to see different body structures draw out. Different looking animals in different styles.
Agreed. ;)
The lack of creativity and the constant asking for help with designing your fursona does grind my gears.
Agreed also. ;)
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...aaaaand here's the crescendo:
What I truly hate about the furry fandom is the so-called "adult material." That's all of the porn/vore/size/whatever fetish stuff there is that's gotten into the Furry Fandom. I'm no Burned Fur, but all of that stuff was never originally part of the fandom.
If you couldn't tell (: I happen find that stuff terribly offensive and wrong.
As much as I may detest it however, nothing I do is going to stop it, nor am I about to start going about trolling and flaming those people.
you cant really say that stuff was never originally part of the fandom... (its highly likely that when the fandom was first actually getting connected, a few people might have been interested in adult material)
and i really dont see anything offensive/wrong about people being interested in that stuff (yes while many of the furries who are into that stuff do end up doing completely inappropriate things, there are those who keep that stuff to them self) people make adult artwork either for money, as a gift (if you think of it in a very specific way it makes sense), or just for allowing other people to enjoy the art.
by saying that stuff is wrong you are pretty much just insulting many good people that are out there.
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you cant really say that stuff was never originally part of the fandom... (its highly likely that when the fandom was first actually getting connected, a few people might have been interested in adult material)
(Let me begin by saying, GrayWolf, that I mean no offense to you, or anyone else, and that I hope to remain both civil in speech and neutral in temperament)
and i really dont see anything offensive/wrong about people being interested in that stuff (yes while many of the furries who are into that stuff do end up doing completely inappropriate things, there are those who keep that stuff to them self) people make adult artwork either for money, as a gift (if you think of it in a very specific way it makes sense), or just for allowing other people to enjoy the art.
by saying that stuff is wrong you are pretty much just insulting many good people that are out there.
Whether or not the people who started the fandom themselves were into adult material is neither here nor there. If, say, in a theatre troupe you have a handful of actors/actresses who are Catholics, does that make Catholicism an integral part of the theatre troupe? No. The groups' beliefs are not expressed through the troupe, neither does something like religion have much to do with theatre.
In any case, that's not really what I wanted to get into.
I believe in the sacredness of the relationship between husband and wife. I believe in the sacredness of the human body. I thus believe that intercourse between any people other than husband and wife, as well as the public expression of nudity, is morally wrong. Whether people make money or gifts of such work is a no-count.
These are my beliefs and opinions, and I am entitled to them. I am not forcing them on anyone else.
I will also add that the forum topic specifically asked for individuals' opinions. I have done exactly that.
As many furries have said, regarding various furs' liking of mature content and other things, "Live and let live."
So may that apply to me as well.
(If you'd like to discuss this further, mayhap we'd best to do it through PMing)
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I believe in the sacredness of the relationship between husband and wife. I believe in the sacredness of the human body. I thus believe that intercourse between any people other than husband and wife, as well as the public expression of nudity, is morally wrong. Whether people make money or gifts of such work is a no-count.
These are my beliefs and opinions, and I am entitled to them. I am not forcing them on anyone else.
I will also add that the forum topic specifically asked for individuals' opinions. I have done exactly that.
well i guess that brings up the whole question about how the fandom started. from what i understand the whole history is kinda fuzzy (no pun intended) it also depends on what exactly it means to be a furry. but anyway as much as people deny it the adult material is part of the fandom (when it started is subject to debate)
while i respect your beliefs i was pretty much just saying that by believing that those things are wrong, you are kinda shutting out a lot of good/friendly people, and that it might be a good idea to put more though into what exactly is morally wrong for the things you listed.
(and btw the adult artwork within the fandom isnt always just random furries. there is artwork that was created for couples who just dont really care about the whole nude artwork of them selves)
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well i guess that brings up the whole question about how the fandom started. from what i understand the whole history is kinda fuzzy (no pun intended) it also depends on what exactly it means to be a furry. but anyway as much as people deny it the adult material is part of the fandom (when it started is subject to debate)
while i respect your beliefs i was pretty much just saying that by believing that those things are wrong, you are kinda shutting out a lot of good/friendly people, and that it might be a good idea to put more though into what exactly is morally wrong for the things you listed.
(and btw the adult artwork within the fandom isnt always just random furries. there is artwork that was created for couples who just dont really care about the whole nude artwork of them selves)
The pun is appreciated nonetheless! :)
You're right; there are a lot of good people out there who have weird interests. I mean, that's kinda what we Furries are considered.
I do realize that I'm disassociating myself from those people, and, well, it's a choice that I can abide by. We're all a bit choosy, at times, with who we hang out or chat with, aren't we?
So, I go back to what I said earlier. I'm not gonna troll or flame those people. Instead, I'll be the only one who feels my "Fiery indignation." Distancing myself, in this case, is good, because then I don't start unnecessary arguments that no one is going to win.
And if someone wants to have a chat with me about something that interests us both, why shouldn't we converse? What matters is their interest in the subject at hand. I'm always happy to dive in, along with my two cents.
*tips hat and sits down*
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The whole militant furry thing that's happened every now and then, reacting to haters and bullies only gives them more ammo. It's kinda cringey almost, just let those that hate us smear themselves in their own excrement. They're just gonna make themselves stink and drive off their friends.
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Artists who specialize in drawing characters created by others, then selling it kinda raises my eyebrows. It's nice to see fan art and original art, but flirting with copyright infringement...not cool.
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The fact that the people seen as the "weirdest" are usually the loudest.
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The fact that the people seen as the "weirdest" are usually the loudest.
Some people will do anything for the spotlight. :P
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Everyone thinking it's some weird sexual thing, when in all reality it's just cool and cute animals acting or looking like humans.
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I know it's common in furry-speak, but I don't like the term "fuzzbutt." Don't call me that. Please.
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People who have and wear so many con badges, that they look like a giant billboard. Or the design of the fursuit is obstructed by so many badges and other trinkets. :P
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Artists who "forget" to put tails on their characters in their artwork.
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All the way back on page 2, cause the rat posted a very smart reply about how all of humanity has its problems, and nothing specific that was mentioned in the pages of this thread I read, is unique to the furry fandom. Drama, whining, not paying up when going with a group, bragging "mine is better than yours", immaturity among the fans, the explicit sexual art that can be found--nothing here is unique to us. You hear and see about this stuff everyday.
If I had to pick what I disliked the most about the fandom, I would say how its reputation has been shadowed over by the negative things associated with it, more than what good the community does. Just throwing it out there, the 18+ art for starters and its almost impossible not to run into it with the most basic of search terms. All that does is give the impression that everyone is into it, when many don't care for it. That's a shame.
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Like a lot of people, I guess it would be the negative stereotypes, not just the 18+ things, but just the weird ones in general who take this too far. Not sure of examples right now. It is a cool fanbase, but I don't see a reason to shove it in someone's face. It's what makes us look bad.
The abundance of adult material is not helping. I am fine if someone like that kind of thing, I find furries attractive sometimes, but I think it can be a bit out of control. The main problem again is pushing it onto others, which is what the issue is. Unfortunately this makes people see this as the while fandom.
Not everyone is like this, and maybe not even most.
I love the community, I am just saying a few things could be handled more maturely. Overall it's quite a fun fandom :)
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Furry artists who kill off their popular characters only to revive them in later postings. Furry porn, hyper, and some vore. The reasoning for babyfur/diaperfur escapes me, but they don't bother me too much. I consider the fandom to be an escape from the real world and there's already enough "adult" situations there already.
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The "Edgy" things that a lot of furs seem to be into, still. Was kind of hoping to get past that eventually.
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Because of the misconception, which is another thing I really hate are the furries who delve in the stereotype, I find it impossible to talk about furries with anyone. Some people don't care or know but most of the people I've talked too who know what a furry is snarl at the mention of furry and I ask them why, they tell me it's because they're "Disgusting" as I should put it.
Sad really, there isn't any empathy when reality has the same problems, or worse. :'(
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Basically the large amount of NSFW, fetish and porn stuff. I really don't like sexual things so that part bothers me. And it's really irritating when I watch an artist I like and then they suddenly start spamming my watch with fetish art . . . like, why? I don't want to see that stuff.
I also cannot stand most of the "tumblr" furries, or the edgelord ones that draw their characters with their guts hanging out. I find that really gross. Furthermore it seems like most of my friends online are into that . . . I don't get it. It's not appealing, it's not cool, it's just disturbing and gross. I don't want to see your character's intestines, no matter how neon or colourful they are, thanks. (On a side note, I don't really care about some blood or whatever though).
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One big issue I dislike about furry and try to change is how furries deal with the younger and older members outside the demographic. We had and incident at anther fur group shunning and insulting and elderly member. Then I feel general (not specifically adult like meting at a bar) furcons should serve the whole community. I do not by banning under 18 reason about insurance but lack of social skill of 20 - 30 somthings leaders to deal with those outside the peer group. For me a a Christian is an 18+ 21+ con is usually a red flag to stay away. My only only experience with 18+ multi genre convention is people getting drunk and acting immoral is they want to. The idea of adult does not mean acting as a mature adult.
If I was running a con my policy is leaders will serve the community, young and old or get out and if you do not like kids ruining around then I can suggest stay home of find a bar.
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People who base their idea on furry on CSI,1000 ways to die,storage wars and don't listen to reason from a actual furry who knows what goes on in the fandom. I have tried telling people that the idea that we have fun and put on those fursuits and do stuff is totally wrong. Like a fursuit head gets up to 100 degrees,you could die if you did any of the stuff depicted in those shows.
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I can resume everything I hate about lots of thing, including this fandom with: Humans... haha but being more specific and talking about only this fandom I'd say that the own people:
- The common furry attitude: Acting like an overly friendly being, trying to be cute at every moment, being overly childish. This includes as some has already said, the emotes and the constant or perma-rp at every conversation.
- Being a stereotype (common bored furry)[involves mindset, specie,likes, dislikes]: selfexplanatory, I think most people already know some of them, like being a fox, wolf, cat, tiger... and then justify that they're the perfect animal for them for being XYZ and because those animals are too (even when they know nothing about the animal their talking about; really, I've seen that lots of times). Being very ignorant and childish about most things, and something they agree, is that dragons(no real animals) are the only acepted reptiles, this also covers the intolerant/speciest mindset they have "If it isn't a common animal, then we don't like it".
This one is mostly seen at young people, and no those who barely starts at the furry fandom; they never do some research about some things they may like and are into, and not even know what furry means. And they always call any videogame character, canon or animal, a furry...
PD: When I started and made my scaliesona, almost every wolf, fox and bunny from 3 different sites, told me I was a bad person, they were scared of me,I was better like a wolf for bein "dominant and rude" but if I liked more scales I could been a dragon instead... (?
- Drama / Fallacy - Ad populum: 2 things I've seen a lot since I started but alway stayed away from them... even when some people tried to involve me.
Most people just don't like to hear/read/know anything that isn't "good" or "aceptale" for them or a certain group their into, in this you see again the stereotyped attitude, specially when someones say something "bad" about a certain theme, person, or justanything related with the fandom; this can be a constructive or destructive critic, a comment, even the "wrong"/ use of an emoticon, or just put a dislike to their comment(post/tread, and then they just explode, cry or scream to everyone and just makes some drama. At those situations is also seen the Ad populum fallacy, wich increases the drama because more people feel insulted because someone doesn't like, support or just follow somethine lots of people do.
Also, this fallacy increases some bad aspects like ignorance, misconception, stereotypes, etc. because as "everybody does that, then I'll do it too so I get accepted" and that's something quite common at younger ages, but still is a problem because they end being an unoriginal cringy person (? and just uses this "argument" as an excuse.
I have more and could explain better, but I think I already wrote too much
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This one is mostly seen at young people, and no those who barely starts at the furry fandom; they never do some research about some things they may like and are into, and not even know what furry means. And they always call any videogame character, canon or animal, a furry...
this kinda gets to me too.. so many times iv seen people start calling characters that were not intended to be part of the fandom furry/furry theme things when in reality its just an anthro animal.
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The drama, which can be said to anything but i just hate it nonetheless. I been brought up in the middle of flame wars multiple times, and i do not enjoy it. >~< When i have a problem with someone, it's usually resolved unless the person has bad intentions. So at that point there is no use talking to them.
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The drama, which can be said to anything but i just hate it nonetheless. I been brought up in the middle of flame wars multiple times, and i do not enjoy it. >~< When i have a problem with someone, it's usually resolved unless the person has bad intentions. So at that point there is no use talking to them.
yep the drama gets pretty ridiculous at times... mostly see them flip out when someone comments on something saying that furries are weird/bad and then some furries come by and start commenting trying to defend themselves only making it worse.
people really need to learn how to deal with comment trolls...
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When some people treat being a furry like it means you're obligated to do adult things with them.
No, no it doesnt. It most certainly doesnt work like that.
Especially when they look down on notions of asexuality or fidelity, as being some sort of "filthy prude". So, somehow wanting faithful partners or being some type of asexual is a bad thing...?
I also LOATH cheaters and liars too, but thats a problem that transcends furry.
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Communications--Losing a furry connection one depended upon to keep posted on local furmeets. There was an FB page for such events in my locale. We had a Spring furmeet at a city park that was well attended and included a cookout. Furries drove in from over 50 miles away and everyone had a great time. I took photos when not suiting and later posted them on the FB page. There was mention of a Summer furmeet, but it never materialized. The individual responsible for running the FB page decided to exit the fandom and shut it down. May have put a serious crimp in area furmeets.
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The individual responsible for running the FB page decided to exit the fandom and shut it down. May have put a serious crimp in area furmeets.
Sounds like what he did was mean and inconsiderate, he should've at least had the courtesy to post a link in there and someone else should've made a new account.
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Once, while foxing abound at the big renaissance festival. some dude put me in a headlock and pried my jaw open to show his kids there was nothing scarey about Mr. Fox. Ah, the hazards of going feral.
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Two words: the yiffing...
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Two words: the yiffing...
Hate is a strong word, but I tend to agree with Sarcasticninj4.
It's not so much the eroticism itself. There's sex in fantasy art, steampunk, goth, anime - as well as mainstream culture.
And I dig a degree of eroticism in art (e.g. Boris Vallejo), but some parts of the furry fandom have taken this to an almost obsessive attention to all things YIFF.
It makes it damn difficult to gain a foothold as a "clean" writer, and I've seen too many talented furries turn their backs to the fandom and head elsewhere. It's a loss every time.
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One big issue I dislike about furry and try to change is how furries deal with the younger and older members outside the demographic. We had and incident at anther fur group shunning and insulting and elderly member. Then I feel general (not specifically adult like meting at a bar) furcons should serve the whole community. I do not by banning under 18 reason about insurance but lack of social skill of 20 - 30 somthings leaders to deal with those outside the peer group. For me a a Christian is an 18+ 21+ con is usually a red flag to stay away. My only only experience with 18+ multi genre convention is people getting drunk and acting immoral is they want to. The idea of adult does not mean acting as a mature adult.
If I was running a con my policy is leaders will serve the community, young and old or get out and if you do not like kids ruining around then I can suggest stay home of find a bar.
I agree. Many furs when they get interviewed by certain media go about how furry is welcoming. But to who? Seems old furs like me seem to be ignored by the younger furs who don't talk to me and only seem to stick to themselves.
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One big issue I dislike about furry and try to change is how furries deal with the younger and older members outside the demographic. We had and incident at anther fur group shunning and insulting and elderly member. Then I feel general (not specifically adult like meting at a bar) furcons should serve the whole community. I do not by banning under 18 reason about insurance but lack of social skill of 20 - 30 somthings leaders to deal with those outside the peer group. For me a a Christian is an 18+ 21+ con is usually a red flag to stay away. My only only experience with 18+ multi genre convention is people getting drunk and acting immoral is they want to. The idea of adult does not mean acting as a mature adult.
If I was running a con my policy is leaders will serve the community, young and old or get out and if you do not like kids ruining around then I can suggest stay home of find a bar.
I agree. Many furs when they get interviewed by certain media go about how furry is welcoming. But to who? Seems old furs like me seem to be ignored by the younger furs who don't talk to me and only seem to stick to themselves.
I, as a new furry who's already getting grey, realize that the older ones are the ones who make it possible for me to enjoy the fandom. I personally would interact with anyone, if they wanted. :)
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