The reason I challenged solely those two composers is because,believe it or not,apparently that is the threads designated topic...whod-a-thunk-it? If it was "Bizet took first place on this list,Im so excited" my reply would have been "Well I may not agree on first place according to my taste but I can see how he deserves to be up there or near there" or preferably not replied at all and let it go. I didnt critisize the list as a whole because I know that the order of such a list is based on taste(to a certain degree) aswell as talent,probably no two people would order it all the same way,but what I can do is judge who is the better composer and in turn at least which names belong in the top 5 area or at least in the ballpark. I am not debating who goes in what order overall,but rather who is definately not deserving of the top 5 spots in a category of music with such rich world-renowned talent to choose from. Did I not say they deserved to be on the list just lower down on it? Because your reply seems to indicate otherwise and even go as far to say I said they are unworthy because of their background...um what? where? I critisize their placing on said list based on their talent as composers which while great is still no genius,nothing more,and certainly nothing to do with if its gamer score or not,music is music.
This is turning into a youtube style debate,which is exactly what I did not want.
Now I've never heard the songs you mentioned above but I do know they didn't come first.
Firstly,Ive just been to the list to check and as it turns out Rachmaninov IS first,I can see how much you were really reading into my post. Secondly,HOW THE HELL(sorry for caps but it is amazing) do you intend to compare musical pieces in a genre in which you have not heard the competition?!? Thats like going back to my Joe Perry Vs Satriani thing and saying: "Joe Perry is awesome,Ive never ever heard Satriani play,but I already know Joe is infinately better and deserving of top spot because hes my fave,I need no reference point,it cant get any better than Joe". Do you even realise how little water your argument holds when you admit you havent heard the main competing composers in a genre you are suposedly argueing over top 5? Im sorry but I cant deal with this,are you trolling me? I am at the point where I seriously have to ask.
he pinpointed the count of '1' to be different because of his musicality taught him that rules mean that the one was there to him. I argued
Im guessing he insisted it was on a silent beat that wasnt audibly there,but technically the true first measure would be wherever the music indicates it to be depending on the time signature,but you may count it any way you choose to start your dance steps if it fits in time,in each way you could both be right,then again it depends on the song in question so maybe only one of you was right,you can only ask the writer/artist how he "intended" it. How people "understand" it and later "use" it is something completely different and once again Im throwing in the word "subjective" opposed to "right and wrong".
They had restrictions, themes and other forms of deadlines
Oh yes,Im sure thats neeeeearly as hard and accomplished as writing iconic string quartets when you have finally lost your sense of hearing after battling only partial deafness(of course I refer to baithoven,ahem...I mean...Beethoven).
and I will battle with anyone[...]
Maybe you should start by listening to the main competitors before you feel qualified to rightfully judge on a subject,because its a little unfair if you dont at least measure it up to its competition. Okay,to be fair I can see a typo in my previous post,please tell me you have heard of the piece if I correct the title to Nessun Dorma insted of Nesus Dorma...please. It would restore my faith.
For classical music I strongly believe it has to tell a story
Please tell me you dont think that most of the classical composers mentioned in my post are not story orientated. I believe I only need to give you 1 guess as to what Peter and the wolf by Sergei Prokofiev is about for example,most of them are even operatic,so story driven even.
'unworthy' simply because of it's background.
You didnt read my post did you...
hard working composors as inferior due to their background
...nope,you clearly didnt.
They will always exist as long as we want them to. But if we only see them as the best and never look beyond at the new and gorgeous music coming in.
They will be the best until something better is composed and rightfully knocks them off their podium,key word being "rightfully",in other words genius,not just incredibly awesome,but absolute genius. There is a "par" to meet and it has definately not been met yet. Also,the time in which is was created is not its key to greatness,its the piece itself.
Now yes I am completely biased in this oppinion
Thats all I needed the hear really,to be able to fairly judge a subject you can have no biased opinions to either side,that my friend is unfair tipping of the scales. I dont know why I didnt cut this short and just post solely this.
And how can the nation step forwards both musically and socially (breaking the 'status' barrier of upper class, middle and lower).
Umm...wait,what?