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not-so-furry discussion => general non-furry discussion => Topic started by: Kobuk on December 19, 2020, 12:53:58 pm
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About a week ago, I had checked out from the library the tv show series titled Project Blue Book. It's based on the actual project of the same name which ran during the 1950's-1960's investigating UFO sightings.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Blue_Book
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Blue_Book_(TV_series)
This post is NOT about asking if you believe in UFO's and aliens. But rather do you believe the U.S. government (or other world governments) are actively covering up the existence of UFO's and alien sightings from the public?
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We had a large object enter our solar system a few years back. It made a ninety degree turn and left at the same speed it entered. Both the shape of the object and it's actions defy all known physics. It was briefly mentioned and never talked about again. I believe it is impossible for there not to be other life, even intelligent, in the universe.
If governments know one way or another it would make perfect sense they'd keep it under wraps. NASA has recently publicly questioned whether or not to go public if or when they find life on Mars. The human race is no different mentally then it was four centuries ago. Galileo Galilei was nearly put to death for saying the earth rotates around the sun. Most people are afraid of change.
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https://slate.com/culture/2020/12/mars-base-haim-eshed-galactic-federation-debunked-no-need-to-look-into-it-further.html (https://slate.com/culture/2020/12/mars-base-haim-eshed-galactic-federation-debunked-no-need-to-look-into-it-further.html)
Article is by Hugh Mann. Nice try aliens, I'm not buying it. XD
If you don't get the joke, say the name out loud.
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I've been interested in UFO/ aliens for a long time.
If they exist, yes, governments are hiding it. To stop mass panic. If UFO/ aliens are not extraterrestrial, then, yes, governments are covering up what THEY are doing.
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Very much yes. Not telling because they want to not cause mass panic but mostly to keep us in the dark.
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Kobuk, ever get to go to the Roswell UFO museum?
Also, I may take this time to state that I HAD relatives who lived very near to the alleged crash site. They were old. And NO, they did NOT like talk about it, and flat out refused to when my brother and I hounded them to when we were pre-teens begging for info. They were very adamant that they couldn't talk. My parents also told us that they have for years tried to get out of these oldsters what had happened and little was revealed. These people were friends of someone who had seen wreckage. So yeah,cover up for something was certainly going on. But no one knows what happened. I know no one will believe me. And I do not want to say names, so how can I prove anything. Just another wrinkle in the coverup? haha (or not)
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Well, this is surprising. :o Actually, maybe not. I've always known that Congress likes to stuff bills with a lot of "pork" that have nothing to do with the main issue of the bill. This is one such instance. But anyway, will we find out anything about our government's role in UFO's? Find out in 180 days!
https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/10/us/ufo-report-emergency-relief-bill-trnd/index.html
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So , again, Yes I do believe there is a cover up.
I wonder if we are covering up for ourselves? Meaning a certain branch of govt has a program to make new vehicles. They work, and are occasionally seen by all sorts of people who are not allowed to know. Thus a cover up.
Such a vehicle as a UFO would be of the upmost importance to keep quiet. It could be the silver bullet in a war if needed, but would only be totally useful if it is a complete unknown. I suspect that various agencies through out the years came to some scientific discovery that lends its self well to a new type of propulsion. And if one group can do it, then the other is assumed to be able also. Thus keep your abilities secret till last minute, be first to use your UFO type vehicle.
Also, there have been many weird science experiments in the 50's and 60's regarding nuclear light bulb engine and other open frame, free flowing air cooled nuclear engines. There used to be two in Idaho at the INEEL. Saw them myself. They are now on Wikipedia. They were for airplanes. So USA government openly admits trying to make a nuclear powered plane. Why not make it smaller and better and a drone, and then it becomes the UFO we know today.
If anything is going on , it is covered up. I think the government covers up many things, even things they do not need to. As a procedure of need-to-know and information compartmentalization.
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But wait, there's a catch. The article is calling for 'Unidentified Aerial Phenomenon". Is there a difference? Yes. An "Unidentified Flying Object" denotes an object moving through the atmosphere under it's own power. An Unidentified aerial phenomenon could denote previously undiscovered laws of physics happening in our atmosphere. Such as Sprites, charged O-zone, ball lightning and so on. This could mean a complete report on previously miss identified reports of now known atmospheric physics. I would be surprised if anything of real interest came out of this.
Is thee a cover up? I was able to investigate a case of 'cattle slaughter". There was all the signs you would expect from a UFO story. Dead animals with their soft areas removed. No blood. Even the "strange Black Beatles". My conclusion had nothing to do with UFOs. First "no blood". Dead things don't bleed. Second "no signs of how they died". Yes. Electrocution. Third "Strange Black Beatles". These bugs are the same bugs found all over America. They have been here longer than we have. The fourth conclusion is the scariest. Why these parts. Chemical intake, retention and expulsion. Or more commonly said. Tracing a chemical as it passes through the body. Is there a cover up? Yes. for what purpose? To me, unknown. But I would come to a conclusion that it's to prevent public hysteria. If your looking for a toxin and don't find it there is no reason to say "We are looking for a possible toxin". Why this action? Blame aliens and you don't have to let the public know. If a government agency bought the cattle outright or even tested there would be questions and eventually propaganda. Causing unnecessary damage to the cattle industry. Effecting all businesses directly involved with them.
Have i personally witnessed one? Yes. Can only describe it as an eighteen to twenty foot tall , three to four foot wide glass tube. Glowing softly from the inside. No real physical features other than it's over all shape. Non reflective surface. The same object was reported by others in flight. The object left a counter clockwise circle in the tall grass. About eight inches wide with the tall grasses still upright on the outside and inside of this line. No way to explain that on.
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Well because we're talking UFO's we might as well toss in Bigfoot.
Oklahoma lawmaker proposes a bill that calls for creation of a Bigfoot hunting season
https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/25/us/oklahoma-lawmaker-bigfoot-hunting-season-bill-trnd/index.html (https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/25/us/oklahoma-lawmaker-bigfoot-hunting-season-bill-trnd/index.html)
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A new look on Amoamoa. The object that entered our solar system from deep space.
https://www.cnn.com/videos/tv/2021/01/30/the-first-sign-of-alien-life.cnn (https://www.cnn.com/videos/tv/2021/01/30/the-first-sign-of-alien-life.cnn)
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Not a solar sail. Too heavy
It's probably jettisoned junk from an alien ship. Probably frozen alien poop.
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The argument against it being a solar sail is the total mass of the object itself. A comet's acceleration is due to both the size of the comet and the gasses around it. This acts like one large object. Giving the solar wind something to push against. Amoamoa doesn't have the mass to be able to accelerate at the speed it traveled.
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I thought a solar sail was an object which collected solar radiation pressure from the sun light and solar particles and got pushed away from the sun. Then low mass large area would be required.
https://www.planetary.org/articles/what-is-solar-sailing
An object that was shot into space using a sling shot effect via using suns gravity to attract a mass and accelerate it, needs a very dense object to be effective.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravity_assist
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Weight isn't an issue in a vacuum. Only the area or size of the object. Because a comet creates water vapor around and behind it it creates a large area. This all acts as a single object for the solar winds to effect. Amoamoa didn't have the over all size to create the acceleration it traveled wile leaving our solar system.
The more an object weighs the more energy it takes to get it into space. That's why a solar sail would have to be made of the lightest material possible.
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Well. It's been three months now. Guess their waiting till the last minute or for us all to forget about it.
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More good news about UFOs or UAFs.
https://www.cnn.com/videos/business-videos/2021/04/15/navy-pyramid-ufo-video-orig-jm-kj.cnn (https://www.cnn.com/videos/business-videos/2021/04/15/navy-pyramid-ufo-video-orig-jm-kj.cnn)
Looks like the full report is coming out in June.
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Okay that video was a little ... intense in a way.
thanks for sharing
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Hmmm hard to say what it is. I remember one time I saw a UFO that really stuck with me as a kid. It was the middle of the night and my family was doing a BBQ in the back yard, I was up front playing hide and seek with the other kids when there was a brownout, all the lights went dead so we got candles, put our game on hold and just waited for the power to come back. I was sitting on the front porch being bored when I noticed some strange lights on the horizon. I couldn't help but notice because they were the only lights up there, the rest of the town still had power, just our block was dead so there was still a lot of light pollution.
So I'm watching these lights in the distance as they just rise and fall, rise and fall, and then they just started going up and up and up and as my eyes followed them I took notice of something approaching directly overhead. The brightest constellations like Orion were still there in the sky but now I could see something in the sky that was covering the stars. A large, dark, triangular shadow that looked massive to me. I noticed lights in each corner but the creepiest thing about it was it made absolutely no sound at all as it moved. It was just up there and didn't even disturb the leaves on the trees.
It was passing over the house so I rushed to the back to catch sight of it and I told everyone back there to look up and watch, but nothing was there. Whatever it was, it passed over me and then it was gone. Like it stopped existing the moment I took my eyes off it. The power came back shortly after too. I don't know what it was but if it was indeed real I'd like to know.
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I am glad Kay you shared that.
Things are freaking real.
I worked with a guy who saw same thing you did, but in oregon in 1970's, with similar effects.
My brother had seen a cigar thing in the mid 1990's.
I've seen very fast light in the night sky doing a 90 deg turn.
My dad saw lights on forest floor in Colorado in 1970's.
This phenomenon is real.
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The good , bad and probably ugly about next months UFO report.
https://www.cnn.com/2021/05/17/politics/ufo-pentagon-explainer/index.html (https://www.cnn.com/2021/05/17/politics/ufo-pentagon-explainer/index.html)
It's a step in the right direction. But may not be as big of a step as most of us would like to see.
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A segment from 60 Minutes on UAP's with some nice, but still blurry, full color photos
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZBtMbBPzqHY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZBtMbBPzqHY)
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I am glad some stigma is being reduced.
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You never know what people think till you ask.
At work I asked a coworker about this topic. He responded with YES, government is covering up something. We discussed what it might be that people see. No resolution on that. Then he proceeded to share his UFO story as well... and boy was it something.
And later he talked about skin walkers. This is a guy who basically runs my department, very respected, very intelligent, a lot to lose by talking "crazy".
He is an engineer, everything he does is scientifically related. And he works for government. He is suspicious, and so am I .
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Smoke screen or reality. I think we're back to square one on this.
https://www.cnn.com/videos/us/2021/06/04/ufo-sightings-china-hakeem-oluseyi-intv-newday-vpx.cnn (https://www.cnn.com/videos/us/2021/06/04/ufo-sightings-china-hakeem-oluseyi-intv-newday-vpx.cnn)
i know people, now passed on, that worked on the stealth bomber back in the 1970's. Most of the advanced aircraft we see today is 40+ year old technology. So the idea that these UFO's are human tech is likely. Even if they are from another world we're not going to hear that. For the same reason NASA wouldn't publicly report finding life on Mars. There is a bigger fear of how people react to the unknown that the unknown itself.
Like the slaughtered cattle I saw in the 70's. The conclusion pointed more to a test for chemicals rather than alien experiments. Blaming aliens as a cover up rather than starting a real panic. No one hears from the farmers who actually reported helicopters.
On the flip side of all of this it's still possible there are alien aircraft. However no one is going to show, leak or make public evidence to prove it. Again because of public hysteria. it would really surprise me if they did.
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I just keep coming back to the apparent fact that these things seems to be able to move very fast and mostly important, accelerate at extreme rates. This implies extreme inertia / g-forces. That implies no biological occupant aka drone. Okay. But the propulsion mode is SO very "alien" to me, that it begs the question... how?!?!
And if we all had access to that mode of propulsion what would happen? What is this mode? Is it nuclear like I think?
So if it was a new mode of propulsion I can see covering that up for one.
P.S., along the lines of cattle mutilation...
I was driving out by Pueblo Army Chemical Depot east of Pueblo Colorado in about 2010 and there was a herd of cattle in a field. I was driving my then dog Heidi and I through the lonely roads there. There were some cows balling and I slowed down to investigate. There was a cow who was alive, and with perfect square patches of skin about 3" square removed from her left side. She was making the noise and others were circling her. I DID suspect chemical testing. That army depot is supposed to destroy nerve agents there left over from older times.
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These things could be drones. You wouldn't need someone inside to fly it. So the G force wouldn't matter. I've seen experiments were an object hovered after being given an electrical charge. This same tech is what's used in high speed trains. Perhaps we've developed a movable electrical field around an object. Giving the object movement. I've also seen this same experiment tried in a vacuum. Doesn't work. So if these are drones they wouldn't be able to mover outside the atmosphere.
How it's powered is another question. It was made public quite a few years ago that the US Army developed a perpetual battery. They wanted to use it in back packs to supply energy for radio and radar. The battery spun inside an electrical magnetic field. The down side was the battery needed to be held stable or it would get knocked out of wack quickly. Not so good for walking around with. But again, because it was made public it was probably old tech back in the 80's.
We've always used the simplest physics to make things fly in the past. If it wasn't for AI assist our stealth bombers wouldn't get very far off the ground. So aerodynamics is no longer an obstacle. But a flying box? Believe it or not I'm still on the fence.
Honestly the last thing I want to hear is "it's all alien tech." That's a real slap in the face to all those people who could make this possible. Like claiming velcro wasn't created in a lab. Be it by accident. But it was still created in a lab.
As much as I would LOVE to hear from out government "Yes, there are aliens that have visited us." I don't think that's what's going to be said later this month.
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More along the lines of letting everyone know this isn't going to be the smoking gun of Earth Alien relations.
https://www.cnn.com/2021/06/15/politics/ufo-report-briefing-pentagon-fighting/index.html (https://www.cnn.com/2021/06/15/politics/ufo-report-briefing-pentagon-fighting/index.html)
Still be worth the watch.
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Well the report came out. All six pages. For a government report that's about the size of a definition of a single statement within a report. A serious report page count is usually in the hundreds.
Let's look at some wacky facts.
"Not ours. But could be someone else's technology"
And now add some historical truths. Human technology? In what era? The mid 19th century? 1800"s? 1500"s? AD or BC? We'll stay away from Hindu accounts of flying fortresses filled with elephants. They got their own thing going on. People have been seeing "someone else's technology" for centuries.
Disappointed? Your not alone. The Pentagon just handed everyone a piece of paper and a box of crayons.
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The thing is many videos are shown in infrared and things don't look normal in the infrared. You could be watching a jetliner taking off and passing in-between buildings and in the infrared it would like a large, disc-like object taking to the sky and suddenly blinking out of view.
One video showed a triangular object over a naval vessel and people were claiming it's an alien spacecraft. except that it was just a plane. The triangular shape could be from any number of things but it's obviously a plane because of the blinking lights. So unless the aliens investigating us are being so kind as to activate their federally required FAA lights, it's a plane.
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What was the famous quote from "men in black "?
Edwards : Why the big secret? People are smart. They can handle it.
Kay : A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky dangerous animals and you know it. Fifteen hundred years ago everybody knew the Earth was the center of the universe. Five hundred years ago, everybody knew the Earth was flat, and fifteen minutes ago, you knew that humans were alone on this planet. Imagine what you'll know tomorrow.
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In a furry world.........
"The furry government just issued a statement today saying the supposed existence of these so called Hoomans is very unlikely and that to the best of the furry government's investigations, there have been no sightings of hoomans nor any hooman UFO's on our furry world."
:D :D
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That's purrfect Kobuk! :D
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@kobuk
Lol :D
Hoomans? What are those? *Tilts head* :D
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Do you honestly think for one moment that any advanced alien civilization from another world is going to want to come to Earth and meet humans and (hopefully) be friends with us?
Not bloody likely. :P There's no redeeming qualities about us.
We're constantly fighting and killing one another.
We're raping this planet of natural resources.
Our politicians care only about themselves and nothing else.
We're polluting the land, air, and oceans.
We're hunting and destroying wildlife to extinction.
Need I go on? Why in the world would any alien life form want to visit our pathetic mudball of a planet and it's equally pathetic (Un)intelligent species?
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Assuming an advanced alien civilization exists, I imagine the only reason they would visit is out of curiosity. Doubtful they'd care about our lack of redeeming qualities and be more curious about the our advancement. Probably wondering why do we send rockets into space, why do we leave so much junk in space, why a flag on the moon, etc.
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Kobuk. the concept of good and evil is a human thing. For an animal it's good to kill, bad to go hungry. Or better put, what's normal for a spider is chaos for the fly. Even something as everyday as male and female could be completely incomprehensible to something alien.
Chewy, Kinda have to agree. They'd stop, look around. And leave. Bunch of trashy rednecks makin babied and drinking beer. Probably seen that a few hundred times already.
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We humans are a valuable resource for organic material. Cheaper to use humans as biological reactors to synthesize required chemicals than to do it in a machine.
So we humans might be the aliens version of cattle.
Otherwise, avoid those nasty humans.
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Apparently this guy was willing to try to steal a jet and find out for himself.
https://www.cnn.com/2021/12/09/us/nevada-man-stolen-jet-area-51/index.html (https://www.cnn.com/2021/12/09/us/nevada-man-stolen-jet-area-51/index.html)
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OK. It's been a few months now. You would think being visited by other life forms would be a hot topic.
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Well.... if Putin launches a nuke, UFO might show up. Just like how they were seen over Whitehouse and Washington DC during the 1950's in a so called "flap" before the Cuban missile crisis.
Aliens are interested in our stupidity and nuclear stuff.
So if things keep on escalating, maybe we will find out if aliens and UFO's are there and if government covers it up.
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Hope to see more things like this.
https://www.cnn.com/videos/us/2023/06/10/las-vegas-alien-ufo-backyard-report-police-orig.cnn (https://www.cnn.com/videos/us/2023/06/10/las-vegas-alien-ufo-backyard-report-police-orig.cnn)
Like a plot from X-Files.
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To be honest, that report unnerved me a little.
I don't want to say exactly why.
Perhaps bad timing.
If that really happened I want out of here, aka life or this galaxy.
No one said other life forms have to be friendly.
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And the plot thickens. Some new revelations. But still short on details.
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/ufo-whistleblower-claims-massive-coverup-retribution-in-sworn-testimony
https://www.cnn.com/videos/us/2023/07/26/ufo-whistleblower-military-pilots-david-grusch-cprog-orig-ht-js.cnn
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This man is credible to me for a few reasons. I don't want to get into why I think that...
So... this is causing me to re think things.
I know people who have seen craft. I used to have a realitive who was near ufo crash site at the time of the event and who had stories.
I personally saw a light in the sky that moved in a way we can't.
So... again... things are sort of coming together for me
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They are setting up a website for reports. Right now it's just for government and pilot/air traffic workers. But it's supposed to be open to the public soon.
https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2023/09/01/pentagon-ufo-website-oren-cnc-vpx.cnn (https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2023/09/01/pentagon-ufo-website-oren-cnc-vpx.cnn)
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MUFON has been around since the.. 1980's??
Mutual UFO network. I've put in one report. It runs deep.
And it was anonymous back then. Before ai.
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We're now making sensors to detect UFOs.
https://www.cnn.com/2024/03/08/politics/us-military-developing-ufo-detection-kits/index.html