Author Topic: proud to be... human? (Read 27594 times)

-Exile · « **Reply #150 on:** October 20, 2009, 03:01:36 am »

Proud? No not at all. I don't like humans. Don't get me wrong I would rather be human than an animal but I would much rather be an anthro. humans are typically defined by greed and violence ... I do my best to avoid the things that make me dislike humanity . I suppose it is unfair to say humanity as a whole there are good people but they are few and far between .

But proud ,no . however I do enjoy being human (it does have allot of perks over being say , a cat or dog )

Avan · « **Reply #151 on:** October 20, 2009, 06:43:24 pm »

Quote from: -Exile on October 20, 2009, 03:01:36 am

Don't get me wrong I would rather be human than an animal but I would much rather be an anthro.

Same here, but for different reasons. If I were an animal, I would have to be extremely lucky in the first place to get the computational power to achieve the minimum specifications for the process (much higher chance with humans), as well as having access to materials and resources that are necessary for use in the process which are not readily avaliable to animals (and that's terming it within mathematical possibility; reality says that it's NOT accessible), not to mention I probably wouldn't live long enough to even initialize the process, while being an anthro (well, an an anthro that is an azarian body (as I would provide the mind) would be optimal) would massively cut down on the amount of work I'd need to do.

Taren · « **Reply #152 on:** October 28, 2009, 04:02:27 am »

I'm proud of who I am. Whether that means being human, a filmmaker, a political activist, a sports fan, a blood donor, or a furry -- I'm proud of every aspect of what makes me who I am. Being human (and more so, being furry) is just an aspect of who I am. I don't let furry define who I am.

While mankind has done many bad things, humans are responsible for the greatest accomplishments the world has ever seen. I am proud that I come from the same flesh and bones as Martin Luther King Jr., Mahatma Gandhi, William Shakespeare, John Lennon, and Isaac Newton.

KitsuNinja · « **Reply #153 on:** October 28, 2009, 10:55:06 am »

Ugh..never.

Humans are clumsy, messy creatures. Always prone to violence and hate.

I may have this body, but I'm a fox on the inside. Always will be.

Adrius · « **Reply #154 on:** October 28, 2009, 09:28:09 pm »

I was driving around the other day with Iron Maiden playing and some of the lyrics made me think of this thread. So, I figured i'd share them.

From the song "Blood Brothers" off of the album "Brave New World":

"When you think that we've used all our chances
And the chance to make everything right
Keep on making the same old mistakes
Makes untipping the balance so easy
When we're living our lives on the edge
Say a prayer on the book of the dead "

Rest of the lyrics

At least from my interpretation, I took it to mean that even though we keep screwing up, all it takes is a few good people to try and make that difference. Maybe I interpreted it in some weird way, but it makes eough since to me. So, for those of us who look at the rest of humanity and cringe, we should be striving to set that example for the rest of the world rather than wallowing in misanthropy.

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Ew no. I may be physically, but not mentally. I'm just waiting for genetic modification to come.

I'd like to pose a quick question though. How would genetic modification truly change what you are? Do you feel that it's genes alone that make you human? There's always the effects of society and experience that help create who we are. I don't mean to derail either, it might be best to answer these through PM. I'm curious to know! Thanks

Hmm, this is my third post on this thread. Ah well, just something I decided to add.

Edited for spelling and grammar

Patchworkbear · « **Reply #155 on:** November 10, 2009, 02:09:42 pm »

I came here with a dream. A dream of killing all humans. And this is how it must end?

Seriously I'm not proud to be human. I don't trust most humans any farther than I can throw them. But I don't actively hate humans. Humans have som cool things. Animation, toys, Coca Cola, video games, fast food. But humans can be downright evil as well. And I just would like to have as little to do with them as possible. As long as they leave me alone and let me do my own thing I'm cool with them.

But animals aren't much better. Reality is not like a Disney movie. Animals can and will hurt you. Even domestic animals can mess you up. If a furry encounters a pack of starving wolves, they aren't going to accept them into the fold just because said furry plays a wolf on the net. They're not going to think of said furry as a kindred spirit. They're going to see him as dinner. And later some hunters are going to come across a bloodstained fursuit and wonder what happened. It'll probably make the evening news.

I don't like humans much, but I don't think too highly of real animals either. This is why my fursona's a teddy bear. Teddy bears symbolize comfort and protection, real bears symbolize your head rolling across the floor. I find I identify more with plush bears than I do any real creature.

I'm human and I accept it, but I'd rather be an anthro bear.

Avan · « **Reply #156 on:** November 10, 2009, 07:58:09 pm »

They CAN hurt, but that doesn't mean they will. And I've been with wolves (or near, in the case of those in the wild), they aren't as aggressive as you make them out to be... as in, they aren't aggressive (in the wild, they *might* approach you out of curiosity, but that is very rare. Usually they just run off or completely ignore you, as with what happened with me.). They can become defensive, which may mean attacking in defense, but you would have to perform some form of act of aggression against them in the first place. Wolves fail to make the point you are attempting to make. (There has never been a recorded attack by a pure wolf in North America (the continent))

Varg the wanderer · « **Reply #157 on:** November 10, 2009, 09:25:30 pm »

I'm going to state the obvious here: Wolves are predators. They kill for survival. Death is their life.

True, they avoid humans, and generally don't mess with them unless things get really desperate. Wolves are SMART, they know it's not worth having anything to do with man unless it's an absolute last resort. I think the point Patchworkbear was trying to illustrate is that animal life is not a cuddly fantasy. Mother nature doesn't mess around, one mistake and your dead. In order to survive you have to be rough and tough. You have to be decisive and be able to commit brutal violence without hesitation, or lose your life.

Avan · « **Reply #158 on:** November 10, 2009, 09:44:43 pm »

Quote from: Varg the wanderer on November 10, 2009, 09:25:30 pm

I'm going to state the obvious here: Wolves are predators. They kill for survival. Death is their life.

Quite true. Though it's nowhere near as simple as 'I see other living organism. Kill. Eat.' There's a whole lot more going on than just that. Works for most any species really.

Patchworkbear · « **Reply #159 on:** November 11, 2009, 04:17:07 pm »

Varg is correct. That's exactly the point I was trying to make. Animals aren't evil. They do what they are meant to do. And for the most part they'll try to avoid people. But make the wrong move and they CAN hurt you. Even animals who have been raised and cared for by people have been known to turn on them and kill them. Wild animals are just that. Wild. They aren't Disney characters and shouldn't be treated as such. A healthy respect for them and what they can do is always good.

Avan · « **Reply #160 on:** November 11, 2009, 04:30:49 pm »

Quote from: Patchworkbear on November 11, 2009, 04:17:07 pm

Varg is correct. That's exactly the point I was trying to make. Animals aren't evil. They do what they are meant to do. And for the most part they'll try to avoid people. But make the wrong move and they CAN hurt you. Even animals who have been raised and cared for by people have been known to turn on them and kill them. Wild animals are just that. Wild. They aren't Disney characters and shouldn't be treated as such. A healthy respect for them and what they can do is always good.

That's what I'm trying to say. They do what they do, but they arn't plushes or anything to be played around with.

Tsumetaiyuki · « **Reply #161 on:** November 12, 2009, 02:36:48 am »

Proud to be human? i suppose so. We are top of the food chain and as far as we know the most advanced creatures in existance.

Nicholai · « **Reply #162 on:** November 25, 2009, 10:47:53 pm »

Quote from: Tsumetaiyuki on November 12, 2009, 02:36:48 am

We are top of the food chain...

I'm not too sure about that.

We are unique in our ability to use reason and logic. Remove that, and humans aren't that spectacular.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fatal_cougar_attacks_in_North_America

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Man-eater

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wolf_attacks_on_humans

Proud to be Human? I guess. Would I make a proud Jaguar? Being an Apex predator; that's pride. Oh yes.

RedneckFur · « **Reply #163 on:** December 08, 2009, 05:26:02 pm »

Quote from: Nicholai on November 25, 2009, 10:47:53 pm

Quote from: Tsumetaiyuki on November 12, 2009, 02:36:48 am
We are top of the food chain...

I'm not too sure about that.
We are unique in our ability to use reason and logic. Remove that, and humans aren't that spectacular.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fatal_cougar_attacks_in_North_America

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Man-eater

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wolf_attacks_on_humans

Proud to be Human? I guess. Would I make a proud Jaguar? Being an Apex predator; that's pride. Oh yes.

But if you reomove the cats claws, the wolf's teeth, or the eagles tallons, its just as helpless as a human without its brain. Each animal has an adaptation that gives it its strength. Animals have a phyisical one, humans have a mental one.

All said and done, we're no more violent than animals are. Pack animals will fight over territory and dominance just as humans do. The only difference is that animals havent figured out how to make weapons yet.

Kelo · « **Reply #164 on:** February 02, 2010, 11:24:09 am »

Quote from: Patchworkbear on November 11, 2009, 04:17:07 pm

Even animals who have been raised and cared for by people have been known to turn on them and kill them. Wild animals are just that. Wild.

I find this to happen far more often with humans than with any other species, humans are quite wild by that definition and is why I fear all of them without exception.

as for main topic:
Proud to be a human...I cant make that distinction, my spirit my collection of energy that forms a consciousness definitely is not the same or even similar to other of the same physical shell. Being Otherkin I for the longest time didn't think I was human and that I was something else trapped in a prison of my own life. After many years of research and searching I found what I said in the first sentence.

I treat all humans I see and are around the same way most other species do, with fear. It takes a lot to get me to 'trust' one.
Would I be happier living the life of an average animal? Greatly, I cannot think of anything I would like more than that. Sadly the body that which I was placed isn't capable of such living.

KitsuNinja · « **Reply #165 on:** February 02, 2010, 12:40:28 pm »

Quote from: Kelo on February 02, 2010, 11:24:09 am

Quote from: Patchworkbear on November 11, 2009, 04:17:07 pm
Even animals who have been raised and cared for by people have been known to turn on them and kill them. Wild animals are just that. Wild.

I find this to happen far more often with humans than with any other species, humans are quite wild by that definition and is why I fear all of them without exception.

as for main topic:
Proud to be a human...I cant make that distinction, my spirit my collection of energy that forms a consciousness definitely is not the same or even similar to other of the same physical shell. Being Otherkin I for the longest time didn't think I was human and that I was something else trapped in a prison of my own life. After many years of research and searching I found what I said in the first sentence.

I treat all humans I see and are around the same way most other species do, with fear. It takes a lot to get me to 'trust' one.
Would I be happier living the life of an average animal? Greatly, I cannot think of anything I would like more than that. Sadly the body that which I was placed isn't capable of such living.

That was beautiful. Even if my body isn't capable of wild life, I would still try it. Nothing to lose, really.

seryl · « **Reply #166 on:** February 02, 2010, 02:11:38 pm »

I'm not particularly proud of being a human. We are all too destructive to everything around us. The thing that we seem to focus on is our own comfort. We are nothing more than creatures of habit and convenience. I admit that I often go down a road and take a moment to think. Nothing around us would be the way it is if it weren't for human beings. Roads, buildings, lights, so many things destroyed in nature simply for the comfort of us as humans. It's rather disgusting regarding the amount of things that we've destroyed. In addition, most problems that we attempt to solve are caused by... us. Plus, we are also the only species (save dolphins) that kill simply for the pleasure of it. Kinda sad, isn't it?
But even so, there certainly are enjoyments that come from being human that we couldn't get in any other way. The simple ability to find enjoyment, all kinds of emotions that we experience are exclusive to us.

Rhyolite · « **Reply #167 on:** February 02, 2010, 05:36:33 pm »

I can't say as I am particularly proud of being part of a species that has eaten it's way though most of the planet's flora and fauna, one particular example of disgusting behaviour is the proud announcement of some restaurant recently. Diners are able to eat in an area surrounded by crocodiles where they eat dishes consisting of mostly, crocodile flesh. I really can't think of anything other than that being horrible for the sake of being horrible. So really, I am proud not to be at least spiritually human.

Dovetone · « **Reply #168 on:** February 07, 2010, 10:52:09 pm »

animals aren't really that great either.
they'd build guns if they had hands.

Martin_Aresian · « **Reply #169 on:** February 08, 2010, 05:27:02 am »

I'm a firm believer in the idea that we are only responsible for our own actions. Ergo I'm not proud to be a human, nor am I ashamed of it. I am proud and ashamed of my personal actions as a human, but I imagine given I had the same mental capacity I would be proud and ashamed of my personal actions as an insect.

vlad · « **Reply #170 on:** February 11, 2010, 02:40:58 pm »

I don't know if I'm proud to be anything at all, but I can't say I outright hate humanity. We have books, mythology, microscopes, and a whole variety of nifty things (including the furry fandom) that wouldn't exist if there were no humans to invent them. We take care of each other for the most part. A human life is the only one I have any real awareness of, so I can't say it's better or worse than anything else. Besides, the variety of human experiences is so huge, you can't really paint all of humanity with one set of characteristics.

All of that being said, if I had the chance I would love to modify my body to be more in line with how I think of myself. I'd love to have a real tail, a face that looks how I want it to, and digigrade legs. I don't think it would change anything about myself, but it would make it easier to look in the mirror.

EmuMadam · « **Reply #171 on:** February 11, 2010, 10:18:49 pm »

I'm ashamed of being human so much that I even hate myself because I'm ugly human, I see ugly in every human I see really that I can't stand to look at them or myself at all, I'm depressed about it and don't understand what people see in the famous ether.
I mean what is there to be proud of we die not live forever we are all even me disposable and greedy.
We are polluting the planet, killing animals and other cruelty for no reason at all most of the time and we bomb the earth up and kill lots of people too we are so much more worse then the animals as they are in massive numbers becoming extinct and have no choice what they want in their life, they wouldn't want poison on there food and environment or it taken away they just want to eat, breed and fight. For some strangle reason people think they are so important they all have to destroy and take the whole earth down with them just to be greedy and people seem to be lazy to change anything even something so small as reusing a bag, I mean how hard is that just to help the environment even just a small little bit that would save animal lives like that. Just to let you know do what you want I was just getting my anger out I will never control any one so don't think I'm like that because I'm not.

Bolt · « **Reply #172 on:** February 12, 2010, 09:41:28 am »

Meh. I could careless about being human.. we have so much to do in life, where an animal's life is the same, all the way through. I'd like to have that, would be better than all this spontaneous events, coming at us.

Shim · « **Reply #173 on:** February 12, 2010, 07:45:25 pm »

Quote from: ontels on May 28, 2008, 07:45:33 am

I can see what you mean about humans and allot of people are like that its are nature like most other animals.

but nevertheless I love being a human!
why without humans we wouldn't be talking right now and there would be no such thing as the furry fandom

were the smartest and most dominant species in the world and the moon
sure were not that cute nor do we have cool tails or wing but I am thankful for the things we do have (posable thumbs)

so I like being a human and hope others do to

It may be that if without humans, there would be no furry fandom, but is that not the reason for it all? Isn't the point to be who you really would want to? Instead of going through this life of wishing to be something you could never hope to? Getting as close as possible to who you think is yourself?