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Title: Simba/Kimba??
Post by: on July 15, 2004, 12:52:28 pm
The 70's wer funny times, especially the cartoonish movies, complete crap but the style was funny  :D
Title: Simba/Kimba??
Post by: Kitsune_H on July 15, 2004, 12:49:20 pm
Because it's more recent.
Kimba's from... Osama Tezuka's Times! That's around the 70s, right?
Title: Simba/Kimba??
Post by: on July 15, 2004, 12:42:22 pm
Wow, thats so incredible.. The lion king a rip-off...  :shock:
The lion king looks better tough ;)
Title: Simba/Kimba??
Post by: Benjamin on July 14, 2004, 07:59:02 pm
Quote (Simo @ July 14 2004, 6:38 pm)
Nothing unusual about that. As concerns Lion King, that's not important. What I want to know is this: what the heck was a blue jay doing in Africa?

Are you referring to Zazu?
He's not a blue jay, he's a hornbill... albeit a rather highly stylised hornbill. They're a legitimate African species of bird.
 
Benjamin
Title: Simba/Kimba??
Post by: Simo on July 14, 2004, 06:38:34 pm
So Disney ripped off Kimba the White Lion to make the Lion King movie. There's a lot of that going on, and it's been going on for quite some time now. West Side Story was an obvious rip off of Romeo and Juliette, which, in turn, Shakespeare ripped off from an older story. Flipper was plagarized from Oppian's Halleutica, which was "borrowed" from Pausanias.

Nothing unusual about that. As concerns Lion King, that's not important. What I want to know is this: what the heck was a blue jay doing in Africa?
Title: Simba/Kimba??
Post by: Chaz_wolf on July 14, 2004, 06:28:36 pm
I agree,
Disney do tend to copy / remake old stories.. but they nearly always do a good job of it.
And Lion king is still a great movie.

Kimba is good too.. I have it on VHS tape :P
Title: Simba/Kimba??
Post by: Benjamin on July 14, 2004, 06:19:14 pm
If you boil things right down, there's hardly ever a single original idea these days, as it is. :p
 
Oh, and a little tidbit that I share with drooling, rabid anime fanboys...
In the Swahili language, which is fairly commonly used in Africa.... simba = lion... whereas kimba = dung heap.
Then I knowlingly glare at them.
That usually shuts them up. ;)
 
Benjamin
Title: Simba/Kimba??
Post by: Fox G4 on July 14, 2004, 06:10:59 pm
I have an old children's book, "Simba of the White Mane" that was published in the 50s. I found it in the attic a short few years after the Lion King was in theaters. I skimmed through it, and found the book featured some similarities to the Disney film as well, albeit a totally different story because it had people in it if I recall.
Title: Simba/Kimba??
Post by: Party Pony on July 14, 2004, 06:03:52 pm
Wow.  This debate never ends.  :shock:

Won't take tons of time, but will mention...
1) Tezuka used Disney's BAMBI as the basis for his "Jungle Emperor" manga which became the Kimba animated series.
2) Tezuka's character was named Leo.  The US changed the name thinking Leo was too common for a lion's name.
3) The original Kimba is now on DVD from Rhino.  It is the US version which is pretty close, just a bit "cleaner" (ie less death) than the original Japanese.
4) Despite Disney's claim, a number of folks who worked on the film remembered Kimba.  No doubt some memories ended up in the film.
5) LION KING began as an animal version of Hamlet... and the final story is still true to that lineage.
6) Tezuka did a second series with an adult Leo which showed up on Christian channels beginning in the 1980s.  Features a very "fem" voice for the King of Beasts.
7) Simba was a grapefruit soft drink in the 1960s! :D
Title: Simba/Kimba??
Post by: Ante on July 14, 2004, 04:54:36 pm
Kimba The While Lion? From what I know, yes, it is a lot like The Lion King. In Japan (where it came from, of course), Kimba was even called Simba.
Title: Simba/Kimba??
Post by: Shana-chan on July 13, 2004, 11:04:12 pm
Less remake, more ripoff, to be honest. ^_^ But, yes, most everyone agrees that that's where Disney got the story from, and I don't doubt it for a second.
Title: Simba/Kimba??
Post by: Leon Sagemane on July 13, 2004, 10:54:52 pm
They talked about this at ASIFA's 10th anniversary panel last month:

http://www.animated-news.com/archives/00001715.html
Title: Simba/Kimba??
Post by: Savaaha on July 13, 2004, 10:47:36 pm
I found this cruising websites.. what do you think?
Was lion king a remake?
Title: Simba/Kimba??
Post by: firefox_b on July 14, 2004, 08:36:21 am
Kitsune's right...a lot of Disney stories were borrowed rather freely from old folk tales, etc...Pinocchio, for example, came from a Carlo Colladi story published in 1881!  Lion King also has elements of Hamlet.  Disney wasn't always original...far from it, at times...he was a popularizer, and did that as well as or better than anyone.  For many, they'd have no exposure to these classic stories if not for Disney and those like him...writers often put old wine into new bottles.

What's so great about Pinocchio, anyhow?  I dance without strings!   :D




Title: Simba/Kimba??
Post by: Raust Shieldra on July 14, 2004, 09:37:14 am
Wow, I never knew that other one existed. Now I really wanna see it. I wonder wich one I would like better....
Any way, I've been told that disney tried the same thing with Pocahontis, not sure on how true that statement was though.




Raust Shieldra
Title: Simba/Kimba??
Post by: Bluetail on July 14, 2004, 09:45:29 am
... And the second Lion King movie borrowed freely from Romeo and Juliet. At least they kept a little theme there!

I've known about Kimba for awhile... vaguely as a child, and did some online research. And I have a stuffed Kimba... he's just cute...

There were also rumors of Simba originally going to be white, some of the old concept art as Simba as a child with friends similar to Kimba's (though one looked to be a fox).

Until I find subtitled Kimba though... I am very fearful of US plot magulations...

But, they're both good, even if one is a definite derived copycat, at least it's a good one!
Title: Simba/Kimba??
Post by: beyond the darkness on July 14, 2004, 10:21:32 am
Thats pretty interesting, still, TLK!! I would actually like to see Kimba, its looks pretty good!!
Title: Simba/Kimba??
Post by: on July 14, 2004, 11:16:24 am
Whatever the case, Disney's Lion King pictures look WAY better!!
Title: Simba/Kimba??
Post by: Shana-chan on July 14, 2004, 11:27:15 am
Yes, Disney did a far better animation job. But, look at the budget difference! o.o ^_^ I think if the Japanese studio had had more money, they could've done a bit nicer than what they did.

Also, the version that was on TV about 10 years ago is said to be different from the 'real' version of Kimba (also, I believe that there is a black and white and a colored version of it). I think that they played it as a movie on TV, and thus chopped out some parts to make up for time.
Title: Simba/Kimba??
Post by: Ulario on July 14, 2004, 03:29:40 pm
I've seen the VHS tape in the store from time to time, I often wondered if it was anything like the lion king.  If it was ripped off, I wouldn't be surprised.  You'd be surprised at how many things in cartoons are ripped off of other things.
Title: Simba/Kimba??
Post by: Autumn Fire on July 14, 2004, 04:04:28 pm
Copied or not. The Lion King is still one of my favorite movies. I'm an animation student and I love the way it was animated. But lots of Disney movies are taken from stuff so, I'd believe it.
Title: Simba/Kimba??
Post by: KiyoshiAkita on July 14, 2004, 02:51:48 am
some of the scenes pictured were almost the exact same, it's too uncanny to be a coincidence.....Rip-off....but The Lion King is still an excellent movie...
Title: Simba/Kimba??
Post by: Savaaha on July 14, 2004, 03:01:43 am
I agree kiyoshi... not I want to see Kimbas story.. have to see if I can find it.
Title: Simba/Kimba??
Post by: Sunookitsune on July 14, 2004, 03:28:47 am
Quote (Savaaha @ July 14 2004, 3:01 am)
I agree kiyoshi... not I want to see Kimbas story.. have to see if I can find it.

Last I checked Amazon carried it.
Title: Simba/Kimba??
Post by: Savaaha on July 14, 2004, 03:34:22 am
thanks Ill certainly have a looks.. I Remember a show years ago about a white lione but Im not sure it was the same one.. time would have been about 1982.
Title: Simba/Kimba??
Post by: P_Z on July 14, 2004, 03:39:15 am
Oh yeah, i remmember watching that Kimba on TV when i was little... But i didn't notice the ripoff because it was a series, and not a movie.
Title: Simba/Kimba??
Post by: Leon Sagemane on July 14, 2004, 04:03:44 am
Kimba is airing on the Inspirational Life channel right now; it's some random channel up in all those religious channels you get on digital cable or satellite (I would never have found it if my TiVo hadn't recommended it :) ).

http://www.ilifetv.com/programming.asp?category=Younger%20Life
Title: Simba/Kimba??
Post by: Kitsune_H on July 14, 2004, 06:14:22 am
When you think about it, most of Disney's works are inspired on something else... A Re-Adaptation or a Rip-Off.
Title: Simba/Kimba??
Post by: Zarathus on July 15, 2004, 08:34:48 pm
I... guess there could always be the chance that that "kimba" thing was made after the lion king, but the people who made it, are trying to claim it was made... before?

I dont know. Whatever the case, the animation in the lion king looks a LOT better to me.
Title: Simba/Kimba??
Post by: Sunookitsune on July 15, 2004, 08:42:07 pm
Quote (Zarathus @ July 15 2004, 8:34 pm)
I... guess there could always be the chance that that "kimba" thing was made after the lion king, but the people who made it, are trying to claim it was made... before?

I have (but have yet to watch) the Kimba box set. The original copyright listed on the back is 1966.
Title: Simba/Kimba??
Post by: Richy on July 16, 2004, 12:40:35 am
Quote (Sunookitsune @ July 14 2004, 2:28 am)
Quote (Savaaha @ July 14 2004, 3:01 am)
I agree kiyoshi... not I want to see Kimbas story.. have to see if I can find it.

Last I checked Amazon carried it.

From what I understand, though, there were legal problems that came when they tried to release it all on video. The production team was able to secure the rights to the actual animation, though they were not able to do so for the soundtrack. They ended up having to re-record everything with new voices and music.

That was a few years ago, but I think I heard some time later that the legal problem was resolved. I wouldn't know, I'm not a follower of that particular series.

*shrugs*
Title: Simba/Kimba??
Post by: Zarathus on July 16, 2004, 01:22:53 am
Quote (Sunookitsune @ July 15 2004, 8:42 pm)
I have (but have yet to watch) the Kimba box set. The original copyright listed on the back is 1966.

If I could, I would also like to watch it... or have a better look into this whole thing.
Title: Simba/Kimba??
Post by: Party Pony on July 16, 2004, 10:54:39 am
If you want to sample the original Kimba series easily, you can get them from Netflix.  Be aware, the series is pretty dated now.  After all, it was produced in the 1960s.  It is still cute... but dated.
Title: Simba/Kimba??
Post by: Kattywampus on July 16, 2004, 02:49:49 pm
Just to prove this thing.. I had Kimba shown at Morphicon.
That show that was on NBC is the biggest load of CRAP *EVER*.  It is so bad!  Lion King does have some striking resemblances to it, but *hell no*.  It is NOT a remake or a ripoff.
The Lion King is a tribute to Hamlet.  NBC's Kimba is a tribute to  CRAP.
I've got the videos to prove it.
I wonder if I might think it's less crappy if I saw the original Japanese series that wasn't produced for America.  (Yes, Osamu was commissioned to produce some of Kimba JUST for NBC)

In fact, when the Lion King came out, there was this big thing about "oh it ripped off Kimba".  I watched a news magazine special about it once.  They interviewed the creator of Kimba and he said "I am very flattered that you would even COMPARE Disney's Masterpiece to Kimba."
So the way I see it, if the author doesn't seem to think he was ripped off, he wasn't.  He wouldn't even think about suing.  Don't you think he WOULD have by now?
Title: Simba/Kimba??
Post by: Zarathus on July 17, 2004, 07:07:53 pm
Quote (Kattywampus @ July 16 2004, 2:49 pm)
Just to prove this thing.. I had Kimba shown at Morphicon.
That show that was on NBC is the biggest load of CRAP *EVER*.  It is so bad!  Lion King does have some striking resemblances to it, but *hell no*.  It is NOT a remake or a ripoff.
The Lion King is a tribute to Hamlet.  NBC's Kimba is a tribute to  CRAP.
I've got the videos to prove it.
I wonder if I might think it's less crappy if I saw the original Japanese series that wasn't produced for America.  (Yes, Osamu was commissioned to produce some of Kimba JUST for NBC)

In fact, when the Lion King came out, there was this big thing about "oh it ripped off Kimba".  I watched a news magazine special about it once.  They interviewed the creator of Kimba and he said "I am very flattered that you would even COMPARE Disney's Masterpiece to Kimba."
So the way I see it, if the author doesn't seem to think he was ripped off, he wasn't.  He wouldn't even think about suing.  Don't you think he WOULD have by now?

From the pictures that were provided, it did look rather... crappy, and dated.
Did it follow the same sort of story line as the lion king, though?
Title: Simba/Kimba??
Post by: Schizo_Wolf on July 18, 2004, 01:41:09 pm
I remember watching Kimba while growing up and I did think that the Lion King was inspired in part by that series.