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« Reply #25 on: July 04, 2003, 06:23:18 pm »
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 The problems seem worse today because we are actually willing to discuss them openly and try to do something about them, not just sweep them under the carpet.

If all you are is cynical and pestimistic about society, than you'll never do anything to make it better.  You need to have some hope and optimism to even attempt to make things better.

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« Reply #26 on: July 04, 2003, 10:33:26 pm »
Bringing the problems of society into the open iis a good thing, its the first step in solving them.

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« Reply #27 on: July 05, 2003, 01:32:42 am »
*sits down in a lotus position and ponders*

Everything has its evil and good sides.

With animals, generally, evil and good are so meshed together that it's all the same to them. As it should be.

We humans can separate the evil and good within us, and can sway more to one side or the other.

While there are evil humans, who destroy, there are also good humans, who create.

Humans who burn forests down, humans that sell everything they have to keep funding a shelter for animals who lost their homes. All sorts of aspects that makes humans look good and bad at the same time.

MidnightDragon is right. Fine lines no longer exist, because humanity erased them when they gave their evil and good sides a name.

I'm not really sure where I was going when this came to my mind, but I feel it has some sort of relevancy.

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« Reply #28 on: July 05, 2003, 09:08:22 am »
*goes into oriental type of voice*

There is Balance in the universe. The Ying and Yang. To upset the balance is to upset nature its self.

Man may have found diffrences, but nature still holds true to their ways. One man maybe dark, another man bright, in the ways of ying and yang. One can not survive without the other. It is nature.

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« Reply #29 on: July 05, 2003, 12:13:17 pm »
For me, I don't have a beef with humanity as a whole. Just certain beings within it.

The main difference I see between humans and animals is the ability to "Choose". Animals act on instinct. Humans act on "Choice".

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« Reply #30 on: July 06, 2003, 08:22:06 am »
I don't necessarilly hate humans in general, but I do have a fairly long list of the types that piss me off (me and George Carlin have a lot in common).  I think I can sum it up in three basic categories:

Coprorate Whores:
People that will do anything for money that they don't need so they'll just bank it so they can make more money from its interest.  That pretty much covers everyone from weiner Cheney (where's the anthrax?!'<img'> and Michael Jordan (the hotdog & underwear salesman) to the average inner-city crack dealer.

Wannabes:
People that say anything, do anything, and believe anything their radio with pictures tells them to (exception made for frequent C-Span viewers).  And for the record, 98% of people that want legalized pot are just Bob Marley wannabes.

Ku Klux Krackheads:
Anybody that has a natural born hatred for anything and/or anything just because its different, but can't explain why they hate it without using the phrases "it sucks," or "that's gay."  

Anyone that doesn't apply to the three above-mentioned groups is okay with me.

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« Reply #31 on: July 06, 2003, 08:50:58 am »
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I don't necessarilly hate humans in general, but I do have a fairly long list of the types that piss me off (me and George Carlin have a lot in common).  I think I can sum it up in three basic categories:

Coprorate Whores:
People that will do anything for money that they don't need so they'll just bank it so they can make more money from its interest.  That pretty much covers everyone from weiner Cheney (where's the anthrax?!'<img'> and Michael Jordan (the hotdog & underwear salesman) to the average inner-city crack dealer.

Wannabes:
People that say anything, do anything, and believe anything their radio with pictures tells them to (exception made for frequent C-Span viewers).  And for the record, 98% of people that want legalized pot are just Bob Marley wannabes.

Ku Klux Krackheads:
Anybody that has a natural born hatred for anything and/or anything just because its different, but can't explain why they hate it without using the phrases "it sucks," or "that's gay."  

Anyone that doesn't apply to the three above-mentioned groups is okay with me.

Klu Klux Klanners
A lot of people have the need to make sure someone is lower then them.  It's interesting that the most ardent supporters of slavery in the south in the days leading up to the Civil War were the poor white folks.  Slavery meant less jobs for them, thus more poverty, but they had to have someone lower than them in the social hierarchy to make them feel good.

You almost can pity these people, accept they do so much damage.

My hate is reserved for the religious and political leaders that use hate to gain power.  I truly believe many of these so called leaders only spew forth their hate speech because they know it will give them a large loyal following, not because the believe it.

Wannabees
Just ignore them.  A lot of people grow out of it as they get older.

Corporate Whores
Hmm, I'm a capitalist.  If it's legal and ethical, I have no problem with someone making as much as they want.  The last company I worked for wouldn't exist if one person who was already a billionaire and seven other multi-millionaires didn't want to make more money and decided to invest 70 million to start a company.  600+ people are now employed acrossed 3 countries because of them.  These guys also put in 70 - 80 hour weeks and travel constently. It's not the life I'd want, but they deserve every cent they make.  Plus their drive to make more money created a good number of well paying jobs for other people.  

I agree with you on weiner Cheney.  I think a lot of his money came from things that crossed the legal line and certainly the ethical line.  Lets hear it for the Iraq war, sponsored by Haliburtun. ':p'

That said, how many people you know really fit into these three categories?  Unless your putting a lot of people in the wannabee category, it's still a minority of the humans out there.

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« Reply #32 on: July 06, 2003, 05:24:19 pm »
Quote (Terastas @ July 06 2003, 5:22 am)
 And for the record, 98% of people that want legalized pot are just Bob Marley wannabes.

I exception to that. It is like saying people who drink any alcohol want to be Irish.

Other than that I mostly agree everything you said.

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« Reply #33 on: July 06, 2003, 05:49:33 pm »
I just have two things to say here and I don't want to soud mean, but this may be a rant tto an extent.

One, the Klan has given some of us Southeners a bad reputation. I proudly fly the Confederate Flag, out of respect for those in my family that died in the 8th Alabama Infantry (The only all Irish Brigade in the South). These morons that fly it as a sign of hate make others think I am a bad person.
Yes, I could just stop flying it and saave myself some hassle, but I have pride in my heritage. (I am waiting on the delivery of the 22nd Maine's Flag, to fly with it. The 22nd was an all Irish northern brigade and one of the bravest units ever).

On to the Irish thing. Of course many of you know I am Irish  '<img'> . I understand that we have history of alcohol related events (Soccer hooligans, we own the largest beer dystilleries, and we have the highest percentage of pubs), but does that mean everyone should think of us when some one talks of alcohol. NO!!!!

I'm done. I'm going down to Na Faarkey Voish Loghtal (The Sea of Storms), a local pub, and hang out with the other drunk Irish.
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« Reply #34 on: July 06, 2003, 07:14:07 pm »
*claps* That's an awesome heritage, Manethran! Yes, the Klan does give us Southerners a bad name. >.>;; Stupid klansmen that hate everybody but themselves.

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« Reply #35 on: July 06, 2003, 08:28:57 pm »
Quote (Ramla @ July 06 2003, 6:14 pm)
*claps* That's an awesome heritage, Manethran!

Sorry. I get a little emotional over my family stuff
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« Reply #36 on: July 07, 2003, 09:39:11 am »
Okay, stupid as it maybe I never imagined that I would get this many replies, I seemed to have touched a nerve.  

Thinking about it it makes snese, there are lots of peoples opinions here that I agree with and many mroe that I disagree with.  I think one of the REALLY memorable ones was said by Bluegreenman US...US US US US.  

I've said it before and I'll say it briefly again, you can't ignore or as someone put it 'renounce' your humanity.  You use a ocmputer? I would imagine that most people go to the super market, use a car,/bus/ some form of transport other than the 'natural' form.  Use telephones aircons etc many many MANY htings that WE have invented.

Also WE have done some terrible things it is true, but there is no such thing as good and evil, these are merely constructrs created by a society.  Evil means bad and bad is again merel ya word that means not good and again a word.  It is only what WE measure as evil.  Sorry I'm getting off the point.

THe point is that there is a human side of us.  I'm not a furry, I'm a therianthrope, now many people would say that is one in the same, however I disagree, although the wolf inside of me is present always it is only free during my dreams (although I'm trying other methods that is theo ne I know I can do) this means that I am sitll partly human, and this is the world that I have to live in.

I would be a crap hunter, I can't see properly, it's only tthrough the ingenuity of humanity that I have been able to function like a normal human being, I hsould be dead, I hsould not exist, I am a freak, a defect, however I am endured is this evil? personally I'm glad it is not considered so (although their might be some who would htink so) so there is an example of the good of humanity.  

In my personal opinion, I feel that there are people who use the fact that they are furries as an excuse for things that happen in their lives, I know that there are things that happen because of being a furry/therian, but sometimes people exagerate.

So yeah, Humans can be cruel, but as I said in previous threads, you can't tarr EVERYONE with the same brush.  There are straight humans do more for the environment than other furries/therians.

Also a lot of what I've said there are people that aren't going to like it, well there are many bits that are my opinion and other bits that are not, I'm not going to apologise for either of them.  '<img'>
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« Reply #37 on: July 07, 2003, 04:37:11 pm »
Quote (Silver @ July 07 2003, 6:39 am)
Also a lot of what I've said there are people that aren't going to like it, well there are many bits that are my opinion and other bits that are not, I'm not going to apologise for either of them.  '<img'>

I can totally respect that Silver.
I guess its kind of obvious I'm an evolutionist.
I can see that I was to inclusive, just trying to make point.

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« Reply #38 on: July 07, 2003, 04:41:00 pm »
Quote (Bluegreenman @ July 07 2003, 3:37 pm)
Manethran, sorry. It looks like I really put the foot in the mouth that time.

Hey buddy, I didn't say all that about the Irish, because of you. You had a valid point. Many people do see us that way. I just kind of ranted there.

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« Reply #39 on: July 08, 2003, 02:54:04 am »
Culture and Hatred are in my opinion mans strongest bonds to each other. Sure love should belong in here but there are to few out there who practice love for fellow man everyday.
 
Now I see our culture fading. Perhaps it's changing or maybe it's just going away. My guess is as good as anyones what will happen to our society so I will leave it up to your imagination.

Hatred is the only common bond that I can clearly see. Sure love is here and there but for some reason hatred is stronger and more powerful than any other force I have seen.

I do not hate humanity for I can not hate myself. I prefer to keep my self as neutral as possible in any situation. I am certainly not an optimist but yet I am not a pessimist. I'd like to think of myself as neutral but sometimes you have to pick a side.

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« Reply #40 on: July 08, 2003, 05:21:09 am »
Bluegreenman there's no need to apologise, I agree with a lot of what you said.

In response to MadDawg276 your post is rather contradictory of itself and doesn't make a whole lot of sense.  You say that culture and hatred are two the strongest bonds between humanity, well perhaps, but I don't think so.  People have said that if you hate someone they obviously stir some type of passion inside of yo7 which means there has to be something about them that stirs a different emotion in them before you can hate them.

It is true that different culturdes hate one another but people within the same culture may not.  Also it is natural to hate another culture.  As stated in evolutionary theory, there can be only one dominant species in this case there can be only one dominant culture.  Yes there are many many different cultures in the world, but if you look at what is happening, western culture is taking over large parts of the world and continues to do so.

Also I'm interested in the bit when you say "I prefer to keep my self as neutral as possible in any situation."

How do you do that?
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« Reply #41 on: July 08, 2003, 06:42:35 am »
As for me...I refuse to help those who don't help themselves..
I have wasted too much engergy and too many emotions in the past. If some humans are too stupid or lazy to change, to hell with them....I know I sound selfish...but I figure I deserve it. Ive been through alot of emotional battles in my life...and it was always me who had to push for everything. Im done with ignorant people...
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« Reply #42 on: July 08, 2003, 07:13:27 am »
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As for me...I refuse to help those who don't help themselves..
I have wasted too much engergy and too many emotions in the past. If some humans are too stupid or lazy to change, to hell with them....I know I sound selfish...but I figure I deserve it. Ive been through alot of emotional battles in my life...and it was always me who had to push for everything. Im done with ignorant people...

I wouldn't say that's selfish Ecco, as people who aren't willing to put forth an effort to change won't change no matter how much help you give them.  

MadDawg427, culture is something that is continously changing.  Values seem to follow a path of a pendulum over time, going from conservative to liberal and back again.  Whenever one extreme is hit the pendulum of cultural values moves the other way.  

Things are changing at a rapid pace today because the Internet has sped up the speed of new ideas spreading through society.  This has brought both good and bad things to us.  Furry fandom has exploded because of the Internet. '<img'>
It's uncomfortable because were not use to the rapid pace of change yet.

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« Reply #43 on: July 11, 2003, 08:23:56 pm »
The problem is we can't turn our backs on humanity which ever face it presents to us it can be warm and nurturing or cruel and un-sympathetic. WE are as much human as we are to what ever else we may be. It is part of us all. Some parts of humanity will always repulse us and offend us, There will alays be people ready to fight for ideas and to defend them. Personaly this seems to be the norm the status quo (not the band by the way  '<img'>  ) .  You can not turn away from humaity completely you can shut out that wich you dislike but a better way may be to try and change it if it is possible or at least try too. There is no good and evil in the world only that which we ourselves create and this can be as fluid as our lives. Basicly you could consider us as between two planes the furry and humanity becuse we are like this we have formed this place this comunity and have talked about all this, however there are others who feel the same way as us who are not furrys. WE can not tar the whole of humanity with the same brush we're all diffrent some we like and some as pointed out abouve we don't . One question that I would like to ask the assembly we have here >
Which side of you was talking when answering the question your furry side human neither or both? just out of intrest.
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« Reply #44 on: July 11, 2003, 08:25:34 pm »
Edited becuse some dum glich caused me to post twice.



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« Reply #45 on: July 12, 2003, 09:33:46 am »
For me I speak as both. To be furry is to be me. What you see is what I am, both as furry and as human. Unseperable.
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