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« Reply #50 on: May 02, 2005, 12:08:33 am »
Ok here is what i think about this fake doctor's words of falsehood.

1) NO! i got tons of benie babys and im never selling them.  '<img'>

2) I see no harm in the behavoir as lnog he can tell the differnce between fantasy and reality, so no.

3)Feh im 19 almost 20 and i act like a child.  '<img'>  Well, responsbilly anyway, and thats key. Its ok to act young and ejoy things in life you like. This man has not harmed anyone or himself by this love for care bears. When i was younger i used to like them too (still do, maybe not to the extent of this man though). I wish this man was reading all of this now, we could had possibly given him MUCH better advice.

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« Reply #51 on: May 02, 2005, 01:02:34 am »
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Dr. Phil McGraw has galvanized millions of people to "get real" about their own behavior and create more positive lives. His nationally syndicated daily one-hour series, Dr. Phil, has been making headlines and breaking records since its September 2002 launch, when it garnered the highest ratings of any new syndicated show since the launch of The Oprah Winfrey Show 16 years prior. [...]

In concert with his books and television work, Dr. Phil provides strategic guidance for millions of Americans through his monthly column in O, The Oprah Magazine. He is also one of the world\u2019s most sought-after public speakers. As a professional psychologist, he has published numerous scholarly articles and has practiced in the many fields of clinical psychology and behavioral medicine. Dr. Phil has a B.S, M.A. and Ph.D. in clinical psychology from North Texas State University with a dual area of emphasis in clinical and behavioral medicine. He has been a board-certified and licensed clinical psychologist since 1978.

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At the very least, this guy, unlike Dr. Laura S., really does have a degree in psychology. (Dr. Laura does, indeed, have a PhD, but it's in physiology)

Be that as it may, he should know better than to be diagnosing this "Jeff" without having ever interviewed the "patient". This is highly unethical, to say the least. Of course, the "good" doctor obviously doesn't care about professional ethics, seeing that he makes quite a bit more by being a talk-radio blow-hard than he could ever make practicing psychology.

"Infantile" was a bad choice of words here, being that it describes a peculiar fetish. We have no idea that this "Jeff" is into that. Yeah, his attachment could be described as "childish", but what difference does that make? If he's not neglecting his other responsibilities, then his interest, though peculiar, isn't harmful. It's just weird. I'd persoanlly say that it gives this "Jeff" a certain advantage: he's still able to use his imagination. What the public-at-large considers "growing up" largely involves abandoning imagination. (No coincidence that Furry-dom's membership is disporportionately artists, writers, scientists, engineers.)

Regarding myself and plushies: I prefer quality to quantity.  '<img'>

Regardless of whether or not "Jeff" is a Furry, he's still showing an interest in what the public-at-large considers "kids' stuff" (sound familiar?   '<img'>   ) That becomes strictly a matter of opinion. Like most Furries, I don't agree.  ':p'

As to whether or not one "grows out" of the fandom, well, I personally "grew into" Furriness by the age of seven. I'm still waiting to "out grow" it.   '<img'>

In conclusion, anyone who takes Dr. Phil seriously really does need a good psychologist. Just like Rush Limbaugh's "ditto-heads"   '<img'>
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« Reply #52 on: May 03, 2005, 09:03:26 am »
1. There is nothing wrong with haveing loads of plushies! I'm 25 and my purrsona has 100+ plushies.  ':p'

2. No, he's not right in caling it infantile!! Dr. Phil clearly needs his head seen to.  ':p'  '<img'>

3. You're only young once, but you can be immature forever!!

*dreams about giving Dr. Phil a slap*  '<img'>

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« Reply #53 on: May 03, 2005, 02:48:31 pm »
When I saw this thread, it intrigued me on a few levels.  So I thought I'd respond.


I should probably clarify that I am not what's called a furry, but rather joined the forums in an effort to figure furries out for myself instead of going off what the general internet buzz was about concerning them.  I am not one to blindly believe anyone when they are speaking of others.  I'd like the chance to get to know people themselves, not other's opinions of them.  (And that may be a large factor in what my opinion concerning Dr. Phil and his answer to Jeff.)


One thing I'd like to caution the author of this thread on is not to assume anyone is anything.  It's a way of passing judgement which, from what I have seen, is one of the things furries generally dislike being done to them.  Jeff may just really like carebears and not be a furry at all --perhaps he's not have ever heard of them.

As for your questions :

1. Is it wrong to have so many stuffed animals?
Not if it's what you wish to own.  Some people collect cars, some collect models, some collect metal lunchboxes.  Jeff collects carebear...no biggie.


2. Is Dr. Phil right for calling it "infantile behavior"?

From what I gathered from the typed relay of the Phil response, he was referring to the act of role playing with the toys as infantile, not the actual owning itself.  And perhaps, for some, a 20 year old male role playing with carebears is a bit odd.  What really matters is that Jeff stop trying to get others to answer his questions for him and instead for him to examine how he feels about himself and his actions.  If he's cool with it...he needs to learn to not care what other's think.  It's his deal, his choice, his business.

3. At what point must we ourselves grow up and act our ages?

That too is an individual answer for everyone.  I, myself, am thirty but feel no different then I did at 19 in most aspects of my life.  Sure as you get older, you have more responsibility.  But  just because you are responsible doesn't mean you have to toss fun and childlike viewing of the world around you out the window.  'Acting your age" is generally something I was told while growing up when others did not have the patience to accept that I was seeing things or doing things differently then they did at that age.  Did I listen?  Not really. I'm 'me' and I like 'me', and if they don't, then they can take a hike.  (Life is so much more fun when you stop worrying about what everyone thinks, and instead concentrate on those whom are closest to your heart.)

Dr. Phil is a TV character.  One which would like us to beleive that he is exactly how he is everyday off camera like he is on camera.  It's a nice idea, but I doubt it's true.  After all, would  a practicing psychologist really discuss his cases and the questions people come to ask him about their personal lives with an audience of thousands?  Would they broadcast it on radio shows or television specials aimed at showing the world just how good of a doctor he is?  I think not.  TV is not reality -- even when 'reality' is in the title.  Dr. Phil, plain and simple, is a guy wanting to make money.  He does that by playing on the troubles of people and bringing it to the public eye so his ratings increase and then his paycheck gets fatter with bonuses from the network.  Getting people to talk about his show is part of his job.  And judging by the amount of replies on this thread, he's doing a great job of it.  Just some food for thought... how many of you tuned into him prior to this thread... and how many have at least looked up information on him after reading this thread?  Every hit on his website... every channel tuned into his show ... and every conversation involving him and his at times wacky notions and advice points to one thing.  His opinion got you talking, got someone watching (whether it's his website or tv show), and got his bankroll a little thicker.

And another interesting thing about this topic which I noticed  was the issue of whether or not one will 'grow out' of the furry fandom.  It got me thinking on a few levels.  I will start a new topic on it, so as not to overshadow the Phil/Carebear fan debate.

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« Reply #54 on: May 03, 2005, 03:18:20 pm »
Dr. Phil has fairly good advice.  He dosn't say thats abnormal or weired.  His advice points more or less to questions like.

#1.  Do you think you have a problem.
#2.  Do the people around you think you have a problem.
and the most important and deciding factor.
#3.  Is what your doing efecting your daily life in a negative way.

Most of the time he makes a lot of comon sence.
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« Reply #55 on: May 03, 2005, 03:25:07 pm »
Quote (Kris Fox @ May 03 2005, 3:18 pm)
Dr. Phil has fairly good advice.  He dosn't say thats abnormal or weired.  His advice points more or less to questions like.

#1.  Do you think you have a problem.
#2.  Do the people around you think you have a problem.
and the most important and deciding factor.
#3.  Is what your doing efecting your daily life in a negative way.

Most of the time he makes a lot of comon sence.

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« Reply #56 on: May 03, 2005, 03:50:31 pm »
Quote (Nikko @ May 03 2005, 1:25 pm)
Quote (Kris Fox @ May 03 2005, 3:18 pm)
Dr. Phil has fairly good advice.  He dosn't say thats abnormal or weired.  His advice points more or less to questions like.

#1.  Do you think you have a problem.
#2.  Do the people around you think you have a problem.
and the most important and deciding factor.
#3.  Is what your doing efecting your daily life in a negative way.

Most of the time he makes a lot of comon sence.

'<img'>  Agreed.

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I think Dr. Phil is really good at giving advice without judging people untill you hit that 3rd question.  Then its pretty much ceartian weather or not you have a real problem or not.  Most of the time if your anser to the #3 is no than it is a question of weather you want to change or not.
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« Reply #57 on: May 03, 2005, 09:58:16 pm »
Excuse me for being blunt but.........I am really shocked at all the Dr. Phil bashing in this entire thread, especially the comments from River Ceed.  ':shock:'  I happen to LIKE Dr. Phil and I enjoy watching his show.

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Dr. Phil, plain and simple, is a guy wanting to make money.


I disagree. Dr. Phil is a guy who wants to help people with their problems of finances, marriage, sexuality, careers, etc. It's the producers and the tv stations that care about the money and ratings.

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« Reply #58 on: May 04, 2005, 01:36:02 am »
Yuck.  I don't like doctor Phil.  How he happens to make so much money is beyond me.  He reminds me of my overly arrogant art professor.
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« Reply #59 on: May 04, 2005, 07:29:33 am »
Dr Phil is a douche, and if we go by SouthPark standards, a giant Douche. His advice I think sucks and makes familes even go through harder times. Maybe we should start counseling him for being an infantile controlling attention starved balding man from Texas that gives lame advice to be on TV? Just a suggestion.
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« Reply #60 on: May 04, 2005, 07:24:41 pm »
I hate to join the mob and beat Dr. Phil into a bloody pulp (and I hate to do this even more because I usually try to post *intelligent* things), however, I just have these two things to say:

1. Dr. Phil is Oprah's puppet
2. Dr. Phil is an assclown

After all, his name is Dr. Phil. That's like someone calling me Dr. Beck. Jeebus. AND he has marketed weight loss products. Forgive me for pointing out his paunchiness, but... this was obviously not motivated from a deep seated desire to help people that need to lose weight. Furthermore, he's obviously not an expert on the subject (or even successful at maintaining his own weight).

I will end by saying that any advice Dr. Phil gives is suspect (as he's sensationalist and gives no real thought to anything), and if you change your habits based on somebody on frellin' television of all places, well, that's on you.

THIS is why I don't watch television. Next somebody will be saying that Maury Povich is really a serious counselor and genuinely cares who all the baby daddies are.

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« Reply #61 on: May 04, 2005, 08:12:51 pm »
Well, color me immature then. I'm not a massive fan of plushies, but I have a pawful around for comfort, and as part of my fox collection that I've been working on since I was about 7.
I also have a few back in England, well actually a lot, left over from when I was a little kid. I wont get rid of them because they are a part of my childhood, that may be silly of me, but I wouldnt say it makes me an infantile individual/

1. Is it wrong to have so many stuffed animals?

Dosent seem to be hurting anyone. Whats there to be wrong?

2. Is Dr. Phil right for calling it "infantile behavior"?

Children like stuffed animals to cling onto and feel secure. Adults like they for the same 'security' and given todays hectic world I'd say that kind of simple stress releive is probably good for a body. Besides, maturity is heavily overated.

3. At what point must we ourselves grow up and act our ages?

When it is appropriate I'd say. There is no set way to 'act your age' except maybe the rough guidelines society sets out for us anyway, most of those are grossly overstated or actually quite purile themselves. As long as you can act in a way that is appropriate to a more serious or mature situation, its really up to you how you behave in private.


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« Reply #62 on: May 14, 2005, 04:37:47 pm »
LOL saw this cartoon today..  '<img'>



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« Reply #63 on: May 14, 2005, 07:43:55 pm »
Try to touch my stuffed dogs and you'll draw back a bloody stump.

Frankly I don't give a crap whether the public at large thinks it's wrong for an adult male to like stuffed animals.I've collected stuffed dogs off an on since I was a pre schooler.I'm too old to change now and even if I was I wouldn't care to.More power to Jeff I say,at least he's being true to himself rather than being just another sheep in the flock.

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« Reply #64 on: May 14, 2005, 11:12:40 pm »
LOVE the cartoon Burr.  '<img'>  So true.


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« Reply #65 on: May 04, 2016, 05:45:48 pm »
Hey all, I was surfing the internet for my name and stuff and stumbled across this post. from 11 years ago...

I was the person you all are talking about here and yes I am a furry. I've been in the fandom since 2004. The primary reason they asked me to do the show was because of the furry/babyfur thing. To which I told the producers that I would not talk about it as I didn't want to be the face of a community and bring shame to anyone.

I did however talk about Care Bears because at the time I ran an 80's message forum that included any toy or cartoon from the 80's (Popples, My Little Pony, Care Bears, Transformers, Heathclif, ect.

The show was fairly simple, all I had to do was read a pre-written message to Dr. Phil, It was all shock value. In fact the funny thing about it was the reason the producers chose me was because they actually liked Care Bears themselves and were fascinated that a male would be interested in them.

I saw it as an opportunity to plug my website though which I later sold the domain. www.memoriesboard.net for a little under $1200. I carefully wrote my script and submitted it. It went very well except one thing that I didn't clarify on. Role playing. When I talked about Role playing I meant it in the terms of you assume a character and act out a story on a message forum. Not as in I sit in a corner in the shadows and talk to myself and plushies. Totally Creeeeeepy imo, but we're furries, so I don't hold that against anyone. Just not my thing ;)

Anyway each time the show aired my website had another 30,000 unique hits a day so it gained a lot of traffic and very positive support. Would I do it again? Maybe, but I probably would rather do it in person since it's much easier to talk about.

I hope this clarified a few questions people had and if you have any others, feel free to respond or you can poke me on Twitter. @BBedtimeBear or @Babybedtimebear for you cubs out there.

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« Reply #66 on: May 04, 2016, 05:48:58 pm »
I realise you meant well and you wanted to explain your side of the story, but this site has a rule about not gravedigging.

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« Reply #67 on: May 04, 2016, 05:51:54 pm »
I realise you meant well and you wanted to explain your side of the story, but this site has a rule about not gravedigging.

Sure thing, I didn't know that was a rule obviously, but thought people might want to know how the process worked since there was a lot of questions about it. No harm intended. :)

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« Reply #68 on: May 04, 2016, 05:58:34 pm »
We do have a Greetings Forum here where you can introduce yourself.
http://forums.furtopia.org/furry-greetings/

If the staff see this thread, maybe they can split your post off from the original thread, and make your post # 65 the start of a new thread in the General Furry Discussion forum.

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« Reply #69 on: May 06, 2016, 11:03:37 am »
This guy is putting on a show to please his fans. If he feels his fans don't
approve of something he won't either. After all he isn't going to kill the
goose that pays him.

1. Is it wrong to have so many stuffed animals?

Stuffed animals is a hobby many people enjoy. My mother had several. I
wonder if he felt the same about human dolls people collect?

2. Is Dr. Phil right for calling it "infantile behior"?

As long as the person themselves knows the difference between play and
reality I see no problem. Infantile to one is different for another. 

3. At what point must we ourselves grow up and act our ages? 

Who has the right to say how we act. As long as we obey the laws
and treat others with respect who should say what we should do or
when we should stop. When I was 10 years old I had other kids tell
me it was childish to watch cartoons. To stop enjoying life because
someone else thinks you should is wrong.
Perhaps Mr Phil should do a bit of growing up his own self.
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« Reply #70 on: May 06, 2016, 03:35:58 pm »
Request that the staff lock this thread as it is extremely old and well past the Furtopia gravedigging rule.

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« Reply #71 on: May 06, 2016, 03:50:38 pm »
We have a "report to moderator" button Kobuk :P

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