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Starting a color study. If you can't get it on a 3x5 your not going to get it done on a 12x14.  :D  Concentrating on areal perspective. Working on color more than shape and form.
Jade, with acrylics and watercolors yes. Acrylics become darker wile watercolors lighten as they dry. With oils what you see is what you get.  Linseed oil ( flax oil ) does lightly yellow over time. But because color is relative to the colors around it if all the colors slightly yellow the colors will still appear right.

I think color shifting would be more of a problem with digital art. The artist may be using some ultra high resolution monitor to do the art. Where the buyer might have a cheepo windows box that lights up. Or worst, the other way around. This is where relying more on color value instead of the color itself would help. Even if there is a shift in color the art would still read the same because the values wouldn't change.
general non-furry discussion / Re: The "Good News" thread.
« Last post by Kobuk on July 21, 2021, 12:09:10 am »
The Milwaukee Bucks beat the Phoenix Suns, 105 to 98, to win the 2021 NBA Championship!  :D

Way to go, Bucks!

Does the "color" you see change as the paint dries?
I see this with interior house paint.
general furry discussion / Re: Australia Woolworth's new Furry ad campaign
« Last post by Jade Sinapu on July 20, 2021, 03:13:08 pm »
Pretty cool!  Would love to be able to buy "2020" Commemorative Olympic stickers like that, being furry and all.
general furry discussion / Re: Australia Woolworth's new Furry ad campaign
« Last post by DDD on July 20, 2021, 03:56:56 am »
Wow, that's cool.

I wonder if Kat Aclysm has anything to do with it.
She is a furry artist here in Aus. I know she used to work for Woolworths, not sure if she still does.

general furry discussion / Australia Woolworth's new Furry ad campaign
« Last post by Kay Alett on July 19, 2021, 09:26:34 pm »
My BF in the land down under shared this with me. I thought it was pretty cool!
Found my next challenge. Color matching. And understanding that the value ( how light or dark the color is ) is more important than the color itself. Then there's the entire color theory spectrum to learn along with color matching. But for right now I'll stick to trying to get the color I see in the paint I'm using. And how all this end up in being totally unrealistic in color once it's in the painting. Painting isn't about color. It's about value relationships between colors. How these relationships interact to create the illusion of depth. A wrong color with the right value is more important than the right color. The link below is to a painting that demonstrates everything. If you were actually looking at a photo it would not look anything like this. So let's play "What's wrong with this painting that's hanging in a museum and worth millions." by asking a few questions.

How many trees have you seen with orange bark?
There is a view into the distance through the trees. Why is thee not a single realistic color in that view? Trees and all.
It's a painting of an overcast day. The majority of the light is coming from the right. So why is the left hand side of this hill also in sunlight?
Looking a the trunk of the tree. The distant trees to the left are all in shadow. So how did the distant trees to the right side become bright?

The answer to all the questions above is? Color theory! Color value is more important than the color itself. Art is the interpretation of reality. Photography is reality turned into art.

OK. Great. So that's painting with paints. How does this relate to digital art. Disney uses color theory to make their animations look 3D. That may not be digital art. But it is cartoon style art. Both Marvel and DC comics us color theory. 90% or better of furry art is done with no color theory what so ever. Taking the time to learn all the crazy and off the wall techniques of color theory will take your art above what most consider the best of the furry art out there.

So after finding out that color theory is more important than color why are you going to take hours to learn to match colors you ask? I'm using white and seven colors. I have an eight on the way. To help knock down one of the colors I'm using. The painting in the link has a good chance of being painted with less color choices. Most of the time spent painting is mixing colors and adjusting their values to work within the painting. I need to wrap my head around mixing unrealistic colors. Instead of trying to mix the colors I see. Learning to mix the colors I see will teach me how the paints I'm using relate to one another.

general non-furry discussion / Re: Fort Knox
« Last post by Jade Sinapu on July 19, 2021, 10:40:08 am »
Apparently, some people think there would be a collapse of economy due to loss of confidence in the US dollar if people found out there was no gold in the vault.
I do not see that happening.
news forum / Re: Trump the GOP and Democrats. A new path or more of the same.
« Last post by Old Rabbit on July 18, 2021, 12:35:04 pm »

It's shameful how snobbish the GOP is toward people they consider beneath  their
status in life. This country was created with equality in mind  if you believe the
constitutions, but it seems the GOP cares little for equality. Especially toward
people of color. 

The followers of Trump should realize he cares nothing for them and looks down
on those he can't take advantage of. If Trump was able to gain autocratic power
he would leave his followers to fend for themselves. Just as he did on Jan 6.

It seems there is always people who let greed run their lives, and it seems many
of those who follow the GOP do. While it is true some people tend to be lazy
and are happy to let hard working people support them. The GOP often want the
public to be leave anyone who asks for government aid to be lazy and not
deserving of help. They know a lot of people think the worst of needy people and
like how the GOP talks about these people enough to  give them their vote. Then
when Democrats want to help the needy the GOP tells voters it's socialism, and 
bad for the economy to help those people they call lazy. So many people who
really need aid go without so the GOP can cut taxes for their rich friends.

Not only does this harm the needy, but  by not putting money out to help them
the local economies suffer as well. Small businesses close, putting more people
out of work. Increasing the number of people needing help. Something I am sure
the GOP understands, but could care less about.

The GOP leaders are constantly looking for things their voters hate. After all being
a minority party, the GOP needs every vote they can get to hang on to power. So
they lie and cheat every chance they get to win more votes. The courts have had
to punish the GOP many times due to their inappropriate acts, but they continue
with their dirty tricks to win  votes. It's unfortunate that they are able to convince
people to vote for the party in numbers  that make it difficult to help make the
country a better place for us all. Instead of building a strong middle class, the
rich become even richer, while the majority becomes poorer.

This is why the GOP is working to limit voting by people of color. They know a
majority of these people fail to support the GOP. So if they can reduce the number
of opposition votes, it will help them hold power.

During Trump's time as president the GOP controlled U S Senate worked hard to
pack the federal courts with partisan judges. If the Democrats had tried this the
GOP would have been squealing like stuck pigs. Seems the GOP along with  the federalist society want to follow the constitution much as it was written.
So they want judges that follow this policy trying to prevent new ideas from making
changes they don't like. Sadly in reality only a minority is against these
changes. But to keep power the GOP leaders lie, and mislead people to get their

Changes are always difficult for many people to accept. The bad thing about
the GOP is they are using this slow acceptance as a way to hold on to power.
Another bad thing about this misuse of power is it prevents changes needed
to prevent climate  change. Also many people have been misled so they fail to
get vaccinated against covid19. Causing many to get sick,and some to die.

Personally I would rather they didn't get rid of the filibuster rule as by doing so
would let the GOP pass even more laws to allow corrupt acts by the rich. I would
rather they would return the rules requiring those who wish to filibuster so they
have to send hours on the floor of the senate talking. The way  it is now all they
have to  do is  just declare it, requiring 60 votes to end it.  I have a hunch it would
be much harder for the GOP to have a member talk for many hours just to prevent
passage of bills.

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