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anthropomorphic transmutation
« on: February 14, 2011, 10:54:04 pm »
So, upon my discovery of Fullmetal Alchemist, i started wondering...
"Would alchemy be able to successfully convert a human being into their fursona? Human alchemy is forbidden, but it wouldn't be bringing someone back from the dead. all you would need would be the elements to make up the body, and the spirit of the person you want to transmute. almost like when Ed put Al's spirit in the body armor at the beginning.
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Re: anthropomorphic transmutation
« Reply #1 on: February 15, 2011, 12:37:39 am »
Keep reading/watching - you'll get to that...
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Re: anthropomorphic transmutation
« Reply #2 on: February 15, 2011, 02:30:54 am »
Is this topic about specifically about alchemy based anthropomorphic transmutation or about anthropomorphic transmutation in general?

Perhaps it's because I never watched Fullmetal Alchemist, but I don't know what you mean by "human alchemy" and it being forbidden.  'Alchemy', as I understand it, is pretty much just pseudoscience, and thus it would not be able to transform anything. And even if it did work, it would only be able to do things like transmute from one kind of element to another (like the whole lead to gold idea), and not transmute complex organisms from one form to another. Unless you are using some other meaning of the word "alchemy".

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All life shares the same basic genetic code.  So if we could master that, we could potentially make any form of creature we'd like. But that'd open up a lot of ethical issues we'd need to address. However, this is only one piece of the puzzle since who we are is also largely dictated by our experiences throughout life. So to actually transform into a different species, there would also need to be someway to preserve that core of who the individual is.

It is hypothetically possible to do things like a brain transplant. Though there are issues with this causing nerve damage that won't fully heal and with nerves not necessarily linking to the new body in the same manor they did in the old body, thus likely requiring years of readjustment to the new body. Just think about how long did it take you the first time. And there is also potential issues on if the old brain will fit in the new body.

Another possibility is that we may someday be able to capture what makes someone who they are (personality, memories, and so forth) and copy that to another brain or brain-like device. But science currently isn't anywhere near that. For one thing, much of the brain's functioning is still a big mystery.
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Re: anthropomorphic transmutation
« Reply #3 on: February 15, 2011, 01:24:22 pm »
Perhaps it's because I never watched Fullmetal Alchemist

Yeah.  :P
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Re: anthropomorphic transmutation
« Reply #4 on: February 15, 2011, 02:20:44 pm »
Although I didn't read the mini-wall of text var posted, I did see the quote, and so I'm rather just as confused as he is about what this topic is even about.
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Re: anthropomorphic transmutation
« Reply #5 on: February 15, 2011, 03:17:35 pm »
Although I didn't read the mini-wall of text var posted...
There. I separated the first paragraph from the other three. The first paragraph was essentially asking what was meant by "alchemy" and explaining my understanding of the word.  The rest was on anthropomorphic transmutation in general and ways it could potentially be possible.

Is that better?
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Re: anthropomorphic transmutation
« Reply #6 on: February 15, 2011, 04:04:02 pm »
This is pretty much based off of the "alchemy" in FMA rather than the real world meaning. Hope that clears things up. :D
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Re: anthropomorphic transmutation
« Reply #7 on: March 20, 2011, 12:28:12 am »
There are some furrys who really practice some magic ritual to try to do that there called like totem furrys or something if anyone knows what im talking about please say more  :-[
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Re: anthropomorphic transmutation
« Reply #8 on: March 20, 2011, 01:22:02 am »
There are some furrys who really practice some magic ritual to try to do that there called like totem furrys or something if anyone knows what im talking about please say more  :-[
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Heh, well, at least I'm not the only one actively trying. (Just I'm going about it in a technological, self-fulfilling sort of way) :D
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Re: anthropomorphic transmutation
« Reply #9 on: March 20, 2011, 04:40:16 pm »
I heard people were working on Generic Mutations of Skin cells and that got me thinking and I asked my Biology teacher about it and I forgot what she said but it was on a positive note to me. Positive being that they are working on doing exactly that I think not sure. I heard there was a drug out that can make you grow whiskers but I have no idea.

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Re: anthropomorphic transmutation
« Reply #10 on: June 12, 2011, 06:33:12 am »
believe it or not Mr. Apple. the alchemy used in FMA is the alchemy used in the real world it just doesn't come with all the fancy light shows and what not. to answer your question Var alchemy is a combination of scienc and magic. i would know this because i practice magic and to practice magic you need to know all forms to set lines that you really don't want to cross. (not to dicurage anyone) as for transmutation i would have to pass on that because to trans mutate your body you would endure great pain as your bones either disinigrate or grow or just plainly grow new ones. the pain while this al happens would be severe and unberable.
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Re: anthropomorphic transmutation
« Reply #11 on: June 12, 2011, 12:21:24 pm »
Alchemy is the deconstruction and reconstruction of matter.

With this you could turn a book into a tree, a bomb into smelly odors, and living things into other living things. The only problem with the third is to deconstruct something to make another, you must deconstruct whatever you are changing completely. In other words you would die and something else would take your place. That's what happened in the beginning of the cerise, when Ed and Al tried to bring back their mother. There was no flaw to their calculations, yet still they brought something else to life, not their mother.

If you were to transform yourself into a furry with alchemy, you would have to safely remove your soul and brain. From there you can do what ever you want to your body, and once it's done you would place it back into your new body. Yet of coarse, you might as well create a second body and transfer immediately after being removed from you original body.

Also you have the problem where the new body might see you as a threat and try to remove you from its body. Wrath was the twelfth contestant to become a homunculus. All the others died.

Personally I wouldn't try turning myself into a Chimera either. The chances of surviving the transformation was one out of thirty six. only a handful of chimeras were successfully able to become what you would call a chimera. All the others became a waist of space and were tested for other military experiments.

Just watched FMA brother hood this morning, and I have read the full manga. Big fan of that kinda dark heroic story.

Also with genetic science, the human race can now manipulate the genetic code. Give us around a 100 years and we will be mutating our species so we can survive space travel, and become a more powerful race. That's if we don't do anything stupid in the process. In the end, I would rather wait for that technology to be completed than trying to use alchemy. Genetics is true science, alchemy is... not so much.
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