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« on: June 16, 2005, 10:30:24 am »
It's been a while since I've been here, and I've noticed a few members of the fandom showing some dissatisfaction with the Furry realm.  I can be included in this club, now.  I wrote this a while back in my Live Journal.  Read on if you like, but mind you, I've lost my taste for this furry thing as a lifestyle, so some of you may get a little upset reading this.  Be aware, though.  This is just me and my feelings.  

Can I chalk this up to growing up (I had a nice long conversation today with a local friend that told me that having a kid will change you even more than getting married) or to the fact that I'm seeing too many friends obsessing about attaining something that they will never be or involving themselves in pointless relationships that are only about animalistic physicality and not love?

Gee, isn't that what animals do? Mate with anything that's moving.

Newsflash! You are human, and promiscuous sex in the human world is dangerous. Besides, many animals revel in loyal lifematings such as wolves, ravens, eagles, falcons, orcas, and a few others I can't name off the top of my head.

I grow weary. The furry fantasy for me is now lost on me. Please, don't refer to me as a furry anymore. I'm now only a furry artist or an anthropomorphic artist, if you prefer the more academic term. The drama bores me. Don't get me wrong. I love good fantasy, and I sure enjoy immersing myself in it, at times, but you have to live in reality. Sure it's cold and harsh, but you must deal with it. Escapism is fine, but using escapism to not deal with reality is just as bad as slugging back a whole bottle of Captain Morgan's or sticking a needle in your arm.

Again, Patrick Rangerwolf is just a cute symbol, not me or something I want to be. Okay, maybe he's an artistic rendering of an extension of myself (another thing my friend today told me, which made perfect sense to me). I guess that's how Disney saw Mickey, an extension of himself, but Patrick Rangerwolf is not me. Trust me. I will revel in my humanity. I still see the wolf as my totem animal, of sorts, but I will never achieve lupine. Why work and obsess over something that will never happen? I must concentrate on my God, my wife, my child, and my art.

Again, it will suffice in my life to be a fandom spectator. As for lifestyling, I want no part of it. To me, furry is an art movement much like Impressionism, Baroque, Abstract Expressionism, or the like.

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« Reply #1 on: June 16, 2005, 11:41:32 am »
The funny thing is I feel the same way as you but I have no problem still calling myself a furry (though not a lifestyler). *shrug*



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« Reply #2 on: June 16, 2005, 12:09:40 pm »
Quote (Burr @ June 16 2005, 11:41 am)
The funny thing is I feel the same way as you but I have no problem still calling myself a furry (though not a lifestyler). *shrug*

Ditto for me.
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« Reply #3 on: June 16, 2005, 12:14:35 pm »
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« Reply #4 on: June 16, 2005, 12:43:38 pm »
I'll echo Burr as well.  While I do enjoy roleplaying as a furry.  I'm fully aware that I'm the human Keith and have no problem with that.  I like furry stuff so I call myself a furry, but I never believed I was anything other than human (nor want to be).

As for your the behavior of your friends, that's not necessarily a 'furry thing'.  You can find those behaviors anywhere in society.  They are probably more prevalent in younger adults, so your tolerance for it may grown less as you have grown older. But there are a lot of people who consider themselves furs who are drama free and not promiscuous.

No matter what you consider yourself, be happy, be true to yourself and keep up the good artwork.  And remember that you are welcome here no matter what you call yourself.

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« Reply #5 on: June 16, 2005, 01:39:06 pm »
I don't completely understand why this upsets you so much, but you're entitled to your opinion.  I, myself, don't really care what other people do, so long as it doesn't effect me.

I haven't really met a heck of a lot of furs who are like "I'm not a hy00man, I'm a (whatever)," and I have met a lot of promiscuous people who are not furs.  I don't see the connection.  I'm sure there are strange furs, but whatever.

I enjoy role-playing and stuff (not really online, though) but I'd have to agree -- some of the relationship/sex stuff does weird me out a bit....  but I don't really care and I have my own little idiosyncrasies so I don't claim to be perfect or above anyone else.  What people do is their own business and I don't press my opinions on others.

Maybe I am missing your point.  Have certain encounters with other furs made you feel this way?  Or did you come to this resignation from reading stuff online?

Your post doesn't bother me, but, again, I'm a bit confused as to why you feel so strongly about what others are into, or what they do on their own personal time.  I also think you've somewhat misconstrued the term "furry," associating it with a fetish, or something.  All "furry" meant is a liking of anthropomorphic animals, I thought, unless I missed something.

No offense, but I guess my point is that your post doesn't make much sense to me.  If you want to "clean-up the fandom" (where did I hear this before....) stand for what you think is good in it and don't just talk about everything that you consider bad.  If everybody in the furry scene would just do this and not harp about how everything is so screwed-up, maybe more of the so-called "normal" furs, or whatever (excuse my colloquialisms) would find out about it and not just assume it's a fetish, or something.

But, whatever, it's your choice....  Either leave because of everything you don't like, or stand for what you do.  I think you're still a fur either way; that's my opinion, so I don't really care.  Maybe our definitions of furry differ or something....  whatever.  ':p'

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« Reply #6 on: June 16, 2005, 02:05:16 pm »
To be honest, I haven't been as much into the fandom as I used to be.  I will always consider myself a "furry" and will always have the lifestyle.  But I no longer feel like I need to use it as a cruch, or the only thing I think about.

My story/characters/everything else will always be an important part of my life, but I now realize it's not the only thing in my life.

Lately I've been wanting to draw more sci-fi or fantasy picts then furry picts.
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« Reply #7 on: June 16, 2005, 03:13:31 pm »
: hugs : Patrick,

I understand what you mean and kinda saw this coming.  You're 'you'... like me... no labels.  And that's all you need to be.  Those important in your life (and who deserve to be a part of it) will love and accept you, no matter what.  (I know you know that already though '<img'> )

Enjoy being both a married man and an overnight dad!  There are lots of good days and events to come!

Oh!... and lots of games of pool yet to be played and chinese food yet to be shared among friends! : winks :

Keep in touch!

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« Reply #8 on: June 16, 2005, 04:07:20 pm »
Quote (Patrick Rangerwolf @ June 16 2005, 10:30 am)
It's been a while since I've been here, and I've noticed a few members of the fandom showing some dissatisfaction with the Furry realm.  I can be included in this club, now.  I wrote this a while back in my Live Journal.  Read on if you like, but mind you, I've lost my taste for this furry thing as a lifestyle, so some of you may get a little upset reading this.  Be aware, though.  This is just me and my feelings.  

Can I chalk this up to growing up (I had a nice long conversation today with a local friend that told me that having a kid will change you even more than getting married) or to the fact that I'm seeing too many friends obsessing about attaining something that they will never be or involving themselves in pointless relationships that are only about animalistic physicality and not love?

Gee, isn't that what animals do? Mate with anything that's moving.

Newsflash! You are human, and promiscuous sex in the human world is dangerous. Besides, many animals revel in loyal lifematings such as wolves, ravens, eagles, falcons, orcas, and a few others I can't name off the top of my head.

I grow weary. The furry fantasy for me is now lost on me. Please, don't refer to me as a furry anymore. I'm now only a furry artist or an anthropomorphic artist, if you prefer the more academic term. The drama bores me. Don't get me wrong. I love good fantasy, and I sure enjoy immersing myself in it, at times, but you have to live in reality. Sure it's cold and harsh, but you must deal with it. Escapism is fine, but using escapism to not deal with reality is just as bad as slugging back a whole bottle of Captain Morgan's or sticking a needle in your arm.

Again, Patrick Rangerwolf is just a cute symbol, not me or something I want to be. Okay, maybe he's an artistic rendering of an extension of myself (another thing my friend today told me, which made perfect sense to me). I guess that's how Disney saw Mickey, an extension of himself, but Patrick Rangerwolf is not me. Trust me. I will revel in my humanity. I still see the wolf as my totem animal, of sorts, but I will never achieve lupine. Why work and obsess over something that will never happen? I must concentrate on my God, my wife, my child, and my art.

Again, it will suffice in my life to be a fandom spectator. As for lifestyling, I want no part of it. To me, furry is an art movement much like Impressionism, Baroque, Abstract Expressionism, or the like.

"I am not an animal! I am a human being!"
~John Merrick from The Elephant Man

I am now satisfied to be a furry artist exclusively, and I will enjoy being a human.

I am inclined to agree my self. I don't mind being called a furry but... It's very true. We ARE HUMAN>.... This isn't a bad thing. I feel much the same. I would love to be a snowleopard. I would love to be a cat even. Ultimately I know I am not and I accept that. I'll never be one. I don't pretend that I will. I don't mind other people but most people are dissapointing. The fandom is not exempt from that. However for me I have to say that I love the illution. I love the fantasy. In the same breath...> I TOO HATE THE DRAMA!!!. It needs to go. I'll never leave the fandom. It's too good of a thing. I'll never let go of my humaness though.

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« Reply #9 on: June 16, 2005, 04:41:12 pm »
For some of us it isn't a matter of pointing to some random animal and going "That animal is cool!! I'm going to be one"
Some of us really do feel a connection to a certain creature.
Sex has nothing to do with it.The thought of sex with anyone or anything repulses me.I just don't do the "Touchy Feely" thing and would rather be left alone.
Indulging in fantasy also holds no relevance for me.I am fully aware I am human,with all the advantages and limitations it entails.But part of me is,if only spiritually canine.It had been that way ever since I can remember.I couldn't change if I tried and believe me I have.
But in the end,you have to do what you have to do.No one can dictate what or who you are but yourself.Nor should they.May happiness find you whatever path you choose to take.

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« Reply #10 on: June 16, 2005, 06:28:04 pm »
As I said initially, this is just my experience in the fandom, and I'm not one to start trouble.  As Aesop said, "to each his own", but my exposure to the fandom unfortunately has been the most extreme of the movement.  By that, I mean those that overemphasize the sex, the idea that being human is a bad thing, and that reality is something to be avoided at all cost.

Furriness brought me much comfort at times of loneliness, that is until I found my mate and became an overnight dad.  Not only did I fall in love, but reality slapped me in the face.  I have to live in the here and now, and with a great woman and kid to share in it, it's not a bad thing.  I've also had to endure some furry pals that were jealous of my new life, thought I should not spend so much time with my new family, and stay locked in the online fantasy world.  That I can't do!  I can assure everyone here that I will not become the rampant, angry anti-furry.  I saw the CSI episode, and that was a lot of overdone hype.

I still enjoy the fantasy, but for me personally, I have to temper it.
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« Reply #11 on: June 16, 2005, 06:35:57 pm »
Perfectly understandable.Congratulations,by the way '<img'>

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« Reply #12 on: June 16, 2005, 06:37:27 pm »
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The thought of sex with anyone or anything repulses me.


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« Reply #13 on: June 16, 2005, 06:45:59 pm »
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Perfectly understandable.Congratulations,by the way '<img'>

Thank you very much.  I am also glad that I clarified my position to you and any others that may have been upset.  All this happened based on my personal experience in the fandom which has been negative unfortunately.  I'm sure that most of you will never have the same experience since all of us travel our own individual paths of life.
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« Reply #14 on: June 16, 2005, 06:50:08 pm »
If I were a father I'd probably step away from the fandom too, simply because of all the responsibility it entails. It's definitely not the time to be caught up in fantasy as you've said. Anyway I didn't mean to say you made a bad decision. I think you made a good one, just saying that you'll find a lot of agreement with what you said within the fandom. We're not all part of the problem. '<img'>
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« Reply #15 on: June 16, 2005, 07:00:23 pm »
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If I were a father I'd probably step away from the fandom too, simply because of all the responsibility it entails. It's definitely not the time to be caught up in fantasy as you've said. Anyway I didn't mean to say you made a bad decision. I think you made a good one, just saying that you'll find a lot of agreement with what you said within the fandom. We're not all part of the problem. '<img'>

'<img'>  I don't know... I gotta wife... If I was a father I think I would embrass the fandom with them. Kinda enjoying the things I enjoy with them. Cartoons and Costumeing and all of that.

 It would be important to steer clear of some socail circles in the fandome though... you really don't always know what your going to get in them.

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« Reply #16 on: June 16, 2005, 07:06:18 pm »
Quote (RabidRick @ June 16 2005, 6:37 pm)
Quote (weredog @ June 16 2005, 11:41 am)
The thought of sex with anyone or anything repulses me.


':shock:'

'Tis true.I know it's an unusual point of view but it's the way I feel.I don't look down on those who feel otherwise because it would be foolish to do so.It is a natural thing after all.If anything I'M the freak.but I just prefer to keep to myself and I don't like to be touched very much.

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« Reply #17 on: June 16, 2005, 07:50:52 pm »
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Quote (weredog @ June 16 2005, 6:35 pm)
Perfectly understandable.Congratulations,by the way '<img'>

Thank you very much.  I am also glad that I clarified my position to you and any others that may have been upset.  All this happened based on my personal experience in the fandom which has been negative unfortunately.  I'm sure that most of you will never have the same experience since all of us travel our own individual paths of life.

Thanks for the clarifications and I will second the congragulations as well.

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« Reply #18 on: June 16, 2005, 07:55:29 pm »
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If I were a father I'd probably step away from the fandom too, simply because of all the responsibility it entails. It's definitely not the time to be caught up in fantasy as you've said. Anyway I didn't mean to say you made a bad decision. I think you made a good one, just saying that you'll find a lot of agreement with what you said within the fandom. We're not all part of the problem. '<img'>

A lot of it does have a lot to do with me being a father since much if not all of my time is tied up in family affairs.  Yet, my stepdaughter is starting to show signs of being interested in furriness.  She expresses herself as a tigress.  I'm torn as someone that was burned by the lifestyle.  Do I say no to her, or do I let her express herself, being that she is a teenager that is starting to exert her independence?  I want her to have fun, but I don't want her to see some aspects of the fandom that concerned me.

(This may start a whole new topic.)
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« Reply #19 on: June 16, 2005, 08:14:24 pm »
To me, you're the same Patrick I've come to know whether you call yourself a fur any longer or not. As I said in our talk the other week, I agree with some of your points fully and understand why you feel the way you do.  Fur by name or not, you (and your new family! ) will always be my furiends!
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« Reply #20 on: June 16, 2005, 08:20:21 pm »
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To me, you're the same Patrick I've come to know whether you call yourself a fur any longer or not. As I said in our talk the other week, I agree with some of your points fully and understand why you feel the way you do.  Fur by name or not, you (and your new family! ) will always be my furiends!

Thank you very much.  Your words mean an awful lot to me as well as your kindness you've shown me.  You have been a huge help in my transition to my new home, and you made a city boy feel very welcome in the country.  It is good to know you, and it's great to have you as a friend.  I look forward to the little Fur Meet you're having in a month.  I will be there.  I may have shed the title of furry, but I still love to hang out and have fun  '<img'>




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« Reply #21 on: June 16, 2005, 10:44:15 pm »
Quote (Patrick Rangerwolf @ June 16 2005, 7:55 pm)
Yet, my stepdaughter is starting to show signs of being interested in furriness.  She expresses herself as a tigress.  I'm torn as someone that was burned by the lifestyle.  Do I say no to her, or do I let her express herself, being that she is a teenager that is starting to exert her independence?  I want her to have fun, but I don't want her to see some aspects of the fandom that concerned me.

(This may start a whole new topic.)

I have don't really have any experience with this particular aspect, but I feel like I have something to add.

I'd say, let her have her Furry side, but try to guide her as well, using your experiences, if you feel they're suitable for that use. There's some great parts to the fandom/culture, but there are also the weird parts which she should be warned against/gently steered away from.

I hope I can help, somehow.
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« Reply #22 on: June 16, 2005, 11:03:16 pm »
If she wants to be a furry, I won't discourage her.  I still see mostly innocence in the culture, but I will make sure that the surly side of the fandom will not show itself to her.  Hopefully, what I've seen will keep her from getting herself into something I consider very questionable.
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« Reply #23 on: June 16, 2005, 11:03:19 pm »
Heh, it'll be kinda odd to have a non fur as a mod at a furry forum.

But anyways, do what you want to.

Here's my oppinian about furry. Furry is awesome, no matter what kind of furry you are, I'm a furry lifestyler. Aslong as it doesn't prevent you from advancing in life, it's an awesome thing to do.





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« Reply #24 on: June 16, 2005, 11:05:13 pm »
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Heh, it'll be kinda odd to have a non fur as a mod at a furry forum.

But anyways, do what you want to.

Heres my oppinian on furry. Furry is awesome, no matter what kind of furry you are. Aslong as it doesn't prevent you from advancing in life, it's an awesome thing to do.

Actually, I shouldn't be listed as a mod.  I quit that position way back in October, so I really can't figure out why I have the honour, still.

I still have fun in the fandom, but I just want to steer clear of things that have gotten under my skin as of late.
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