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« on: January 08, 2005, 06:30:54 pm »
it's funny because my relization that i was a furry has been very gradual. ever since i was a little kid i had an affinaty to Human/Animal anthros, my first real experiance with it being an episode of Batman TAS called Tyger Tyger (i have it as well as all of season one if anyone wants it) anyway the charecters of Tygris and Catwoman's anthro figure always stayed with me, but still i had no clue. i first found out about "Furries" while watching a TLC program called "Animal Impersonaters" which interviewed a few furrys and even talked about Tigerman. then like a year later the CSI episode came out.

still i thought "Those Freaks, i just like the art". my first art exposer came from happinstance, i'm almost embarresed to say this but it was while i was searching for adult material on Kazza and found some J Bernal pics. well i shortly becme obsessed with that. but still "i only like the art, i'm not a furry!" then i started expermenting with coming up with a fursona, finnaly setteling on Dominus. but still "ok i may be a furry but i'm not someone who is gonna collect plushies and dress in a fursuit and go to cons!" well i bought a plushie, just one i don't think i can get past with six dozen. it's a white rabbit. and for the first time ever i'm seriously considering making a fur suit.

hmm, it's a slippery slope

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« Reply #1 on: January 08, 2005, 08:30:09 pm »
Fascinating..........no really, it is, ROFL!  '<img'>

In fact, I even recall that particular Batman episode. Rather bizarre, but entertaining none the less. I wouldn't be surprised if such science was actually taking root even now (also a tad frightening IMO). Still Ms. Selena Kyle didn't look too bad in a fur coat, haha.

Ahem, um...anyway, believe it or not, I think your 'gradual realization' actually makes sense (and that's not easy for me to say). Well, 'walk around a pool, the more and more you'll want to swim'. Aha, what I mean is maybe the more exposure to various anthropomorphic stuff you experienced, the closer to becoming a furry you came. Of course that's not to say it could happen to just anyone...perhaps you were sensitive to the images, taking a bit more notice, interested in certain details others simply saw as pictures without meaning. Uh, just a guess...it's hard to decypher this stuff sometimes, standing on the other side of the window and all that. I could be completely out of the ballpark on this one, but hey at least I'm trying to understand. And I can't for the life of me fully interpret the whole plushie thing...but I will admit, cute stuff can be hard to resist.  I mean, pfft...I'm in college and I still forbid my parents to toss out my very first teddy bear (Dr. Teddystein). The only stuffed buddy I've ever had, but if I ever visit my folks and find him gone......evil will be all I have left. ':cry:'

My thanks, Dominus. I first came here looking for answers to what furry is really about, how it originates (well that....and I was just bored, ha). Kind of makes me curious if this is how a few of my friends developed into it (it's a touchy subject with them sometimes). And for once, there's a little more clarity for me. Seriously, it's all so crystal clear for most of you, but for the curious like me...only one step at a time.  ':p'

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« Reply #2 on: January 08, 2005, 09:17:13 pm »
you seem to have a firm grasp on what i mean. i wonder if it's the same for anyone else here?

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« Reply #3 on: January 08, 2005, 10:05:52 pm »
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you seem to have a firm grasp on what i mean.


Wha....you're kidding......but I'm completely nu-...er, what I mean is, I'm not exactly educated on the subject, so maybe someone else's opinion might be more enlightening. Well I never took Anthropomorphics 101.  ':blush:'

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i wonder if it's the same for anyone else here?


Now that I'd wager on. I assume there's many roads leading to this path and your's is merely one of them...but I wouldn't be surprised if someone was stepping in your footprints...and you, in someone's from before.

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« Reply #4 on: January 08, 2005, 10:13:25 pm »
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Well I never took Anthropomorphics 101.  ':blush:'

well to be honest i'm not an expert on it eather. i've been an open fur (open to myself) for about maybe just under a year. i'm learning new things everyday, Dominus has been my fursona for only a few months. before that i struggled with my personality, even species. first thing i tried was a Bat, obviously because of my idol Batman. But that didn't work out. then i tried a wolf, tiger, rabbit. before finnaly setteling on Snow Rabbit.

it's been a process of relization, not like a vail lifting but rather smoke clearing. being able to see more and more of my self as the fog clears. but i still want to keep my cynacle yet charming personality, this bunny's no push over

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« Reply #5 on: January 08, 2005, 10:31:55 pm »
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it's been a process of relization, not like a vail lifting but rather smoke clearing. being able to see more and more of my self as the fog clears.


Kind of like reading your own book...the pages filling with words only as you skim along. You should be proud of yourself for taking the time to reflect on what you've written. Few have the courage to nowadays, only temporarily escaping what's inevitably their future. Even I was guilty of that once, but then I realized youth doesn't last forever...why waste it running?

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but i still want to keep my cynacle yet charming personality, this bunny's no push over


They never are, Dominus...they never really are. '<img'>

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« Reply #6 on: January 09, 2005, 01:55:30 am »
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this bunny's no push over


They never are, Dominus...they never really are. '<img'>

Damn right! '<img'>

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« Reply #7 on: January 09, 2005, 11:19:20 am »
Haha, Dominus, this sounds identical to my "realization"

Ive always wanted a tail since I can remember, and was unhealthily obssesion "an american tale" and "tales of an american rabbit". More recently, about 2 years ago, i couldnt stop watching inuyasha. I mean it was all i thought about. I was kind of upset with these feelings and thoughts.  Before you think im a tottal nutcase, let me explain.

I had a couple of dreams with wolves that were cataclismic (thinking i was therian, now i just think i have a deep connection with wolves, whatever that means) Where I would wake up sweating. I always thought furries were hilarious, seeing the obvious programs, asking myself "cant these people get a better hobby", but it was already to late, it was just a matter of time before i was tottaly immersed in this fandom. Now i have a tail and ears, foot paws are on the way

Its not just about the art, there is something about this fandom that goes back to a communal, egalitarian aspect that has been missing from human civilization for a long time. Just a sence of brotherhood that exists, and hell, Life is too short to not get into something this crazy.

I was thinking about this the other day. Why are most of us obsessed with anthropomorphic animals? Why do I want to be a wolf man? Im still not sure. The best i have come up with is, at least partly, going back to an animalistic mindset. This is not the main reason, but a large part i feel. We have tottaly "technologicalized" ourselfs away from our origins as animals, with instincs and no real sence of being akward, or doing something that is socially unaceptable. Im not making a social critisism, just saying that we disconect ourselfs farther away from nature  everyday.

Now dont get me wrong. I like being a human. I like being able to interact with society. You can call me an optimistic cynic. But we have tottaly disconnected ourselfs away from magic and any asemblance of an understanding of a spirit world. Whatever may be, never underestimate the power of suggestion.

Again, life is too short to not get into something this delightfully insane. We are just getting back to a more simple "back to basics" way of living, where freindship and community are the order of the day. And even though Joe Everyman cringes when he sees me walking my dog in my tail, I know he will never expirence the joy that ive found here.

OF course, this rant doesnt apply to every fur, but i think it does to a large number of them. So, take with a grain of salt.


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« Reply #8 on: January 10, 2005, 05:15:32 am »
Ah man, Dominus, that's SO how it works... i like reading those "realization stories", because you can find so much in common with yourself... It was alot like that for me too. I always liked anthros ever since i was a kid, and although i saw them rarely, they always stayed in my mind for some reason... I even remmember that particular batman episode, even if i saw it only once in my life, more than 6 years ago... Also, while watching it i remmember thinking "man, sure would be cool if they did that to me...lizard would be great..." I thought it was something that will pass through time but no... was i wrong.

I think finding about the furry...ness was inevitable since i hang around the net so much. My first thought was "Ah well, looks real cool, art rocks, but those people are taking it too far. Look at that gay freak in the lousy fursuit..." It was a dilemma for me - to be or not to be furry. Later on i found out that furry is what you make of it, and i don't necessarily have to be a suiter or something... Now i have a fursona, i'm happy, i enriched my art with furry(scalie) stuff. Well, a suit still sounds like something i probably won't do, but who knows...

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« Reply #9 on: January 10, 2005, 12:39:41 pm »
While it wasn't that process that you went through, I understand what you describe and it makes sense that a gradual realization would be the way many would come to embrace furry.

I never knew of the negative stigma attached to furry until I was actively involved in furry.  I found the furry fandom and it was like..wow, I fit in with this group.  If I had been exposed to some of the negativity around the fandom, it may have taken me longer to embrace it.

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« Reply #10 on: January 10, 2005, 01:34:17 pm »
hmmmm.......

I came to the fandom because of the negativity.  CSI led me here.  I saw Fur and Loathing when it premiered and was like "what the heck is this furry stuff?"  Right after the show I was searching the net, curious as to what this was all about.  I had never heard of it and being that I do spend a lot of time online was surprised that a subculture existed that I had never even heard of.  

I became instantly obsessed with learning more and more about Furry.  The more I read, the more I wanted to read.  Until like a light switch turning on I said to myself "This furry thing, its me."  This all occured in about 48 hours.  Ever since I have continued to get more and more involved.  It has been just over a year and I will be attending my first con in February, followed by 3 more this year (if everything works out)

And as far as what others think, I let others opinions guide me for far too many years.  Thanks to a my furiends here and especially a lil foxeh (thanks Tei) roaming this parts, I am now honest and true to myself.  I do what Lascivus wants to do vs what society might want me to.  (btw, I'm not talking about breaking laws)

I feel free and happy for the first time in a long long time.
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« Reply #11 on: January 10, 2005, 02:25:33 pm »
Ah, gradual realization.  Hmm...  I don't know if this could be said of me or not.  I mean, as a kid, I had... quite a collection of stuffed animals, and, well, hey, I did kid like things.  What with the acting like various animals (mostly cats.)  I figure, it was only a matter of time before I got involved, but, here's the ultimate irony about all this.  The very catalyst that made me realize I was furry was the ever infamous website we all know as Something Awful.

Yep.  I read various furry bashing things on Something Awful, but, I wanted to know more.  I could tell some major generalizations were going on in those articles, and I wanted to look past those generalizations.  I've always considered myself having an open mind, and, I knew it would behoove me to look past what SA was saying, and voila.  Here I am.  Whoo.
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« Reply #12 on: January 11, 2005, 02:49:18 am »
I think I went through something kind of similar with it. I too, though having always had a closer tie to animals than humans, originally did not enjoy the label furry one bit.

Well ok thats not the whole story.

The story pretty much begins when I joined deviantART. I have always drawn anthro animals, probably influanced by there abundance in childrens shows and in other mass media. And its no surprise I quickly encountered 'furries'. However at the time I did not know what the phrase meant, I cheerfully proclaimed my fursona without really understanding the phrase and happily hung around with people that I thought where just drawing the same art I was.

And then I encountered <i>them</i>.
The antifurs. And they taunted me, showing me the darkside of the label I had so ignorantly accepted and upsetting me to such a degree that I quickly pulled out, disclaiming all possibility I could be 'furry' and instead relabeling myself a 'anthro' artist with etherian properties. (think otherkin).

This actually upset one very good friend of mine in Germany who I have since always regretted hurting but have never found a way to appologize too.

Well time went on and I got over the shock and did some soul searching and research and realised that the bad aspect I had been shown, while still a valid reason for my nervous abandonment, was not really all there was the fandom. I curiously maintained a 'furry friendly' attitude, drawing the same anthro arts and gifts I always had and wideing my number of anthro drawing friends over time.

Recently I decided to take the plunge and fully embrace furryness with my new, more complete knowledge of what it means.
I have found that I match up with all the less seedy descriptions of what furry is, to the point that I'm now more worried people will think I'm a poser. O_o

Also I now have a fursona that actually suits and represents me as apposed to a character I tweaked and used to represent me.

So yeah, I like to think I know something of what its like to circle the edges of the fandom, secretly knowing you would fit in but desperatly not wanting it to be true due to the distastful image furry has aquired for itself over a lot of the internet.

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« Reply #13 on: January 12, 2005, 03:18:25 pm »
i think im just about the only person in the world who hasnt seen that CSI episode, can somone explain what it has to do with furry?

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« Reply #14 on: January 13, 2005, 04:11:58 am »
To cut it short, it's an episode where they have a guy murdered, who happens to be a fursuiter. So the forensic detectives trying to find out who murdered him, went to his room and saw a truckload of plushies in there and found out he was going to a furry convention from his PC. So they went to ivestigate, and everyone at the con was acting all gay, talking about yiffing all the time and making themselves look ridiculous. Later on, they found out that the murdered guy was mistaken for an animal and shot by a hunter (yes, very ironic). The end.

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« Reply #15 on: January 13, 2005, 05:25:53 am »
im at a loss for words. oh well you cant expect an accurate representation of anything considered remotely strange or obscure by anyone.

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« Reply #16 on: January 13, 2005, 01:01:26 pm »
I always love hearing everyone connect their pasts with the reasons they became furs ^_^ I couldn't really tell you abotu mine, I can't even tell you about the first time I understood what furry is, I have a hard time remembering things x.x  Btu according to my parents, the first movie I ever watched was "Who Framed Roger Rabbit" and I have decided to blame that for my furriness (also for my liking for anime girls o.o;;; I always liekd jessica rabbit)  

when I read that part abotu the anti-furs kassandra, I couldn't ehlp but think "oh no! thats horrible!" cause it is, I really don't liek anti-furs, they ruin the whole experience of the fandom.  

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yes! thank you! I have such a hard time explaining what furry is, adn your right, its not just the art.  maybe it originated that way, but its become somethgin much much more.   I'm working on a project to ind the best way to explin what furry-ness is, and ths helps ^_^.
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« Reply #17 on: January 13, 2005, 01:41:40 pm »
ive always loved anything with anthros of any sort in it be it talking animals to actualy anthros. things like he animals of fathing wood was one of my favorites when i was little along with what was it called? with the rabbits. yes well anyway i suppose ive always been furry

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« Reply #18 on: January 13, 2005, 01:42:14 pm »
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To cut it short, it's an episode where they have a guy murdered, who happens to be a fursuiter. So the forensic detectives trying to find out who murdered him, went to his room and saw a truckload of plushies in there and found out he was going to a furry convention from his PC. So they went to ivestigate, and everyone at the con was acting all gay, talking about yiffing all the time and making themselves look ridiculous. Later on, they found out that the murdered guy was mistaken for an animal and shot by a hunter (yes, very ironic). The end.

The episode wasn't as bad as you described and it certainly didn't show everything as being 'gay'.  I mean the male fursuiter who was killed had a girlfriend, who was also a fursuiter.

The infamous furpile party took place in what was very clearly shown as an invitation only private room party.  Meaning it was not something that most of the convention goers were part of.   Private parties with sexual overtones happen at many conventions, including sci-fi and fantasy convention, gaming conventions and anime conventions.  They're prevelant enough that there is a convention dedicated solely to the sexual aspects of sci-fi and fantasy.

Frankly, I was more distressed by the portrayal of us all being geeks with little or no social skills than the sexual overtones.

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« Reply #19 on: January 13, 2005, 01:53:51 pm »
theres nowt wrong with being a geek.

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« Reply #20 on: January 13, 2005, 06:29:42 pm »
don't be so angry about CSI though. i'm sure the vampires feel the same about the epsiode that deals with the vampire culture, and the midgit episode and the trans-gender episode. and the latest one about those scrabble/dominos player guys. i'm sure they just care about whats shocking and not whats about our best intrests. so far the only group cast in a favourable light were the Buddists but it is pretty hard to diss them

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« Reply #21 on: January 14, 2005, 04:12:09 am »
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The episode wasn't as bad as you described and it certainly didn't show everything as being 'gay'.  I mean the male fursuiter who was killed had a girlfriend, who was also a fursuiter.

i'm not talking about the guy that got killed, he was merely "the victim". I'm talking about that one in the cat suit that wanted people to think he's female. And apart from that, they represented us as some sort of geeks with no social skills, desperately searching for companionchip in the weirdest of ways, that are an easy target for ridicule. Atleast that's how i understood it, correct me if i'm wrong.

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« Reply #22 on: January 14, 2005, 06:03:58 am »
Wow...My story is a lot like Dominus's..........
Ever since I was a little kid , I remember wishing I had a tail and all that lot....then the feeling just kind of disapered for a while until for some reason while downloading....adult matierl from kazaa a pic from Jeremy Bernal popped up and I became obsessed for a while.

Then eventualy the CSI episode aired and I was shocked and...fascinated that people like that actualy exsisted! At first I didnt want to be associated with 'furries' because I thought they were freaks....and even got a little scared and wouldnt admit that I could possibly be one.

Then for some reason (I cant remember why) I came across Furtopia and read through some of the posts and stuff and it actually really freaked me out , I remember thinking "I am so not like these crazy peope!" Then after a few days of it nagging at me in my head I thought bugger it , may aswell sign up, I've got nothing to loose!

It finaly snapped after about 2 or 3 days posting on the forum it finally clicked "I'm a furry"...screw all those misconceptions from that CSI episode and the lot. I finally accpeted it lol. I havnt yet come across anti-furs in chat rooms or over instant messengers...but when I do , i'm going to give them HELL '<img'>

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« Reply #23 on: January 14, 2005, 10:56:12 am »
'<img'>  If you expose your self to something and you have an open mind you'll never really shy away from it. The more you think about something the more lines of logic you can come up with to suport any choice you make. As for furry though, yes if you are exposed to the art and the culture and all of the fursuites and the fursuiters, and not to mention cons you'll be hooked. It's too wonderful of an imaginary world not to really delve into...

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« Reply #24 on: January 14, 2005, 01:59:32 pm »
I prefer to think of it as a gradual removal of societies norms from your mind and accepting the truth we all have inside of us.  That truth being that we all have animal instincts and there is nothing wrong with it, its natural.  Unfortunately the training in some will never allow their animal to show itself.
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