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« on: May 06, 2005, 03:18:22 am »
So!  Being new, I read the definitions of various furry terms, including "lifestyler".

But, being that everything changes from person to person, what qualities do you have that makes you a "lifestyler" furry?  What's different about your lifestyle or, more specifically, what does lifestyle mean to you?  

I'd have to say I'm not a "lifestyler" (so far as my understanding of the definition goes)...then again, I'm still trying to grapple with what the term "lifestyler" means.  What do you think?

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« Reply #1 on: May 06, 2005, 10:45:43 am »
Think trying to describe 'lifestyler' is as hard as describing furry.

When I got into the fandom (a long time ago in a not so far off place) there were no lifestylers, just folks who enjoyed 'funny animal' comics, books, movies, etc.  Many took animal nicknames, and even fursonnas created via stories and art.  It was more of a hobby or secret society.  Somewhere around the mid 1980s a 'lifestyle' movement began.  These lifestylers were furs who felt they 'were animals' in this or another life.  They howled or meowed, wore ears and tails in public, made animal noises, constantly discussed the animal 'in them' and such.  

At that time, lifestylers were a minority, and not always a popular one.  Some referred to lifestylers as the 'trekkies' of furfandom.  By the late 80s, many a fur denounced the lifestyler movement as the 'beginning of the end' of the fandom.  I remember at an early ConFurence during the fox SIG one young fur stood up and screamed "Doesn't anyone understand I am a fox in a human body!".  Half the room cheered, the other half cringed.

However, today, most furs seem to be lifestylers.  They tend to lean towards the spiritual, psychic animal connections.  The ones who think of themselves as 'fans' of furry stuff are pretty much in the minority.

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« Reply #2 on: May 06, 2005, 11:04:24 am »
Yeah, in my opinion the influx of lifestylers to fans is a bad thing for the fandom. For example, I guarantee you that if the lifestylers were still in the severe minority then Fur and Loathing would never have been made.
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« Reply #3 on: May 06, 2005, 12:50:43 pm »
For example, I guarantee you that if the lifestylers were still in the severe minority then Fur and Loathing would never have been made.

After watching the show a couple of times myself and screening it for a couple friends, I am no longer convinced that this was a bad thing.
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« Reply #4 on: May 06, 2005, 04:18:47 pm »
You don't have to be a lifestyler to be into yiff. As long as yiff exists (which it always will) stuff like Fur and Loathing will come out. The media wouldn't care if it was just fans that are looking at porn. They just put "animals" and "sex" together and go to town with it. So anyway I wouldn't blame the lifestyler thing for bringing shame to the fandom, though it does give people more things to poke fun at, separate of the sexual aspects.



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« Reply #5 on: May 06, 2005, 04:53:39 pm »
To me, it means you live your life as your fursona, simple as that.
Wear a collar, howl at the moon, scratch at a scratching post.
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« Reply #6 on: May 07, 2005, 11:55:13 pm »
I think it means that your animal or anthropomorphic self becomes an omnipresent force within you that coexists, or at least you believe that that is the case. It doesn't necessarily have to show itself in public.

Almost like a sort of Jekyll-and-Hyde thing, expect no side is necessarily worse than the other.

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« Reply #7 on: May 08, 2005, 12:55:45 am »
Awesome guys!  Thanks for the input.  I'm one step closer to understanding what this whole furry thing is all about! '<img'>


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« Reply #8 on: May 11, 2005, 03:12:40 am »
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Awesome guys!  Thanks for the input.  I'm one step closer to understanding what this whole furry thing is all about! '<img'>

Me too, it's all starting to make some degree of sense...

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« Reply #9 on: May 14, 2005, 07:27:44 pm »
I have a very broad understanding of the terminology - Someone whos furryness affects the core of there day to day living, be it in the way they act or what they beleive in.

So for example, someone who beleives they harbour an animal soul is a lifestyler to me, but someone who likes to draw anthros simply because its asphetically pleaseing is a fan.

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« Reply #10 on: May 30, 2005, 06:16:57 pm »
For me it means putting a little canine spin on everything I do.

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« Reply #11 on: May 31, 2005, 05:18:06 am »
I agree with Scani '<img'> That's a very good way to put it.

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« Reply #12 on: July 28, 2005, 05:23:01 pm »
Im trying to understad exacly what sort of furrie I am still . im wondering if im a lifestyler not becose i whear a choke chain or any thing but more to the point that ever one seems to say diferent things . I think that makes things look worse than "animals" and "sex" together as burr said things dont seem clear that looks like we got something to hide .. im shore of myself but not where i stand in the fandom more so feeling I need to hide from other fur than the public as if we got furs that say i dont and they do we got the one that say i dont thats bad and ya got the ones that say yer full on i do "and im not talking about just yiff stuff" im mean beliving ther animal spireits in side . I myself act out animal trats by nature , I feel the need to howl at the moon in full light im also a celtic pagon and this fits into the ways of my furrie hood more and more as i look into it explains things iv never understud about my self and it makes me feel good . as you put away what the bad things have been said about pagons and resurch into what it realy means you see its about liveing and liveing and there was nothing realy that you could do bad in life as long as you go into the after life corect "life will show your true self if you live it right , even the thing that i think bother people the more about us "yiff" and what some furs see it as eg porn , sex , zooaphiliac , animal atractsion , (things that can upset people to the point they feel we are all into it and they need to stop us all at what ever the cost to my people this was seen as not so much as been sexuly atracted to differt spises but as a way to be spiratly coneted to all things...looking over this post it may seem im describing a cult for beasyalty but be asured its not to any one thinking it is all im saying is to any one thinking its a spiratul thing may be look in to it for more than one reason ... id like to see if some see's furrie in the same light as me . you see to me the drawings and the fur suits are a way to express the feeling in side , my fursona came to me in a vision "call mad but vision not dream" and i belive furrie to me reminds me where im going after i die and helps me to understan i need to stay here do what i got to do and live and die when im ready to die , im open to appinions but dont try to change me "it herts to get furs telling me that i make them look bad or its just a bit of fun"  to some its more so maybe some one can tell me if i am a lifestyer or what???

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« Reply #13 on: July 28, 2005, 11:59:11 pm »
The fan/ lifestyler dichotomy has always seemed strange to me, though I guess I understand it, in a way.

When I was a kid, I never cared so much for "furry" characters in cartoons. I still spend very little time looking at furry art, though there are furry artists whos work I admire.

Instead, for as long as I can remember, I have felt drawn in a very spiritual way, to certain animals- wolves, raccoons, foxes.. As I grew up, my sense of identification with these animals became more pronounced. My parents allowed me to have my name legally amended to Wolf when I was quite young, for instance.
 
Other manifestations of what I percieve to be a connection with my animal ideals are more abstract, but they influence the way I see and interact with the world in many ways. The more I explore my furriness, the more I feel I understand it. In almost every way that it can, it has improved my life.

I didn't actually discover the furry fandom and community, either. It found me. One of my best friends, Alex Rakune, found me by doing profile searches on AOL about 8 years ago. Because my profile at the time was furry in the most blatant way, he thought I was a fur- but I had no idea what that was. What a discovery I made by returning his contact!

In short, furry is what I was before I knew there was even a word for it. And that, to me, is what it means to be a lifestyler as opposed to a fan.

I appreciate the art sometimes, when it strikes a chord with me, but its not the reason I am interested in "furry."

And you know, it needn't be anything more than that. There are those extreme cases where furry "lifestyling" means things to people that we disapprove of, certainly, but to allow those people to define the furry "lifestyle" for the "community" as a whole is just as bad and just as judgemental as what media sensationalists have done with things like the old mtv furry thing and the VF artcle.

Furry lifestylers can be and are just as often people with a strong spiritual or philosophical connection to animals or a particular species of animal. The depth and expression of this connection can manifest in many perfectly harmless ways.

It seems better to me not to use labels like these at all, though, if it can be helped, and it usually can. Why do we need to be one or the other? Is it is because we fear association with things that we are uncomfortable with? If so, we shall need to disassociate ourselves from a lot of other things than furry, for human society hides monsters in all of its closets. As with so many things in life and in our interactions with others, it is probably better to make our judgements on a case by case basis. And its also probably better not to let other people's prejudices influence us- there will always be those who view furry through the narrow lense of ignorance. So what.

The truth of the matter, to me is this: so many of us, even among those who claim most strongly to be only a fan or only a lifestyler are in fact, in one subtle way or another, a bit of both. If we could recognize that and learn to feel comfortable with it, I think there would be less friction, despite what may be occurring on the wierder fringes of our little subculture.

and thats the end of my long-winded soap box-ing ::laughs:




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« Reply #14 on: July 29, 2005, 05:57:30 am »
Thats pretty full on flep kitsu and your bit ( I didn't actually discover the furry fandom and community, either. It found me. ) thats kewl becose for me it found me too in a time of need all most as if it was the start of me living my life not some one elses . and your post mad me think of some thing in the short time iv come out and joined the fur family iv meet a lot of furs off all kinds two of them in puticuler not from furtopia mind you told me some thing about them self one being a plushie and the other a zooahiliac at first i freaked out a bit then i sat back and fhort about it there sill the same person they have told me some thing you whould not normaly brag about even online as i see it there still my freinds i need people to tell things about how i feel and so do they ever one has feelings and we should respect that , and i think thats some thing the fandom can forget at times ... just think there one person thats a furrie he/she trys telling other furs that they yiff in a fur suit of some thing . all the other furs tell him/her thats not furrie and its only a fandom nothing more , next minute that furrie is out in public screaming out im a furrie i whant to yiff in a fur suit , then all the people that see it tell there freinds blar blar blar ... then you got a group of people that think all furries are that way , we look bad and some one gets hert then wheres the fun in that ?? if thats the people the fandom draws then its a part of it to just that not all furs are into it maybe when we go out and get asked we should be speculating ther are diferent type of furries and not self speculating what it is to us... do it the pro's way show them that we have a fandom worth fighting for like when going out in groups have a spocks person that knows how to work the media if you can , and not all people see us as bad some people love it so be furrie thats my moto

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« Reply #15 on: September 06, 2005, 12:45:37 am »
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Thats pretty full on flep kitsu and your bit ( I didn't actually discover the furry fandom and community, either. It found me. ) Thats kewl becose for me it found me too in a time of need, all most as if it was the start of me living my life, not some one elses.

Your post made me think of something in the short time I've come out and joined the fur family. I've met a lot of furs, off all kinds, two of them in puticuler not from furtopia, mind you, told me some thing about themselves, one being a plushie and the other a zooahiliac. At first i freaked out a bit then i sat back and thought about it. They're still the same person, they have told me some thing you whould not normaly brag about, even online. As i see it, their still my freinds i need people to tell things about how i feel and so do they.

Every one has feelings and we should respect that and i think thats some thing the fandom can forget at times. Just think there's one person thats a furry, he/she trys telling other furs that they yiff in a fur suit of some thing. all the other furs tell him/her thats not furrie and its only a fandom nothing more. next minute that furrie is out in public screaming out im a furrie i whant to yiff in a fur suit. Then all the people that see it tell there freinds blar blar blar. Then you got a group of people that think all furries are that way.

We look bad and some one gets hert then wheres the fun in that?? if thats the people the fandom draws, then its a part of it to just that not all furs are into it. Maybe when we go out and get asked we should be speculating ther are diferent type of furries and not self speculating what it is to us. Do it the pro's way show them that we have a fandom worth fighting for. Like when going out in groups have a spocks person that knows how to work the media if you can, and not all people see us as bad some people love it so be furrie thats my moto

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Shy-Cry, Buddah darn, I really hate going grammar nazi all over you, but could you please think about paragraph breaks? It's very hard to read for me to read long post like that when the subjects seem to run together.
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and your post mad me think of some thing in the short time iv come out and joined the fur family iv meet a lot of furs off all kinds two of them in puticuler not from furtopia mind you told me some thing about them self one being a plushie and the other a zooahiliac at first i freaked out a bit then i sat back and fhort about it there sill the same person they have told me some thing you whould not normaly brag about even online as i see it there still my freinds i need people to tell things about how i feel and so do they ever one has feelings and we should respect that , and i think thats some thing the fandom can forget at times
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However, today, most furs seem to be lifestylers.  They tend to lean towards the spiritual, psychic animal connections.  The ones who think of themselves as 'fans' of furry stuff are pretty much in the minority.
It that's the case, than I'm both. I feel connected to the fox species in a psyche way. And I do enjoy the art, but then again, I enjoy lots of art.
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You don't have to be a lifestyler to be into yiff. As long as yiff exists (which it always will) stuff like Fur and Loathing will come out. The media wouldn't care if it was just fans that are looking at porn. They just put "animals" and "sex" together and go to town with it. So anyway I wouldn't blame the lifestyler thing for bringing shame to the fandom, though it does give people more things to poke fun at, separate of the sexual aspects.
Why is there such a stigma against yiffing? Don't male non-furries love it when their girl dresses up in a tight skinned cat costome, or love a 'foxy' lady, or love it when their mate acts like a wild like an animal? What about females and loving a stallion? I know these are just sayings, but people don't see that that is all that yiffing is, only representing traits physically.
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To me, it means you live your life as your fursona, simple as that.
Wear a collar, howl at the moon, scratch at a scratching post.
Just act like an animal.
What?! How many people do that?
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I think it means that your animal or anthropomorphic self becomes an omnipresent force within you that coexists, or at least you believe that that is the case. It doesn't necessarily have to show itself in public.

Almost like a sort of Jekyll-and-Hyde thing, expect no side is necessarily worse than the other.
In which case, I'm not one. I just feel the species fox has a lot in common with me. So it both would and would not effect me on a day to day basis. I just act natural, thus acting foxish in subtle ways, yet my knowlegde of this doesn't effect who I am.
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For me it means putting a little canine spin on everything I do.
Would that be me or not?
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The fan/ lifestyler dichotomy has always seemed strange to me, though I  . . . . . Shortened from a very. . . . . . long post. . . .ongly to be only a fan or only a lifestyler are in fact, in one subtle way or another, a bit of both. If we could recognize that and learn to feel comfortable with it, I think there would be less friction, despite what may be occurring on the wierder fringes of our little subculture.

and thats the end of my long-winded soap box-ing ::laughs:
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« Reply #16 on: September 06, 2005, 10:17:18 am »
For me, lifestyler means that you lead a life, for example adopting some animal mental characteristics (like throwing away hate and prejudice - if, par exemple, a wolf doesnt like someone, he usually has a reason), having increased awareness for nature and her well-being, speaking up for those that cannot (like, defending animals, standing up for them), not to mention visual attributes (like, wearing a collar '<img'> )

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« Reply #17 on: September 06, 2005, 01:51:50 pm »
To me, being a lifestyler is simply considering yourself more than just a fan of furry art or stories, whatever that means to you.  Not that there is anything wrong with just being a fan.  And as others have said, lifestyler or fan, a furry is still a furry and that is what is most important, as it's the inclusiveness of this community (even if it means accepting the "bad apples") that is one of the best things about it.
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« Reply #18 on: September 06, 2005, 04:25:08 pm »
I agree with TigerWiccan's view on it. Simply put, to a lifestyler, furrydom is more than just a hobby. It's an everyday part of life, putting some animal characteristics into what you do and say.
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« Reply #19 on: September 07, 2005, 07:36:02 am »
For me, a lifestyler is someone who sometimes wears a collar or a tail. Basically, someone who doesn't keep their furriness hidden. No big deal really.

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« Reply #20 on: September 18, 2005, 10:43:19 pm »
To me it's acting like your fursona, or an animal.
This can be anything from wearing a tail to running around sniffing peoples crotches. ( Note: I do not sniff peoples crotches for the record.   '<img'> )