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Offline Agent_Blayze

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« on: July 20, 2004, 02:27:59 am »
I know this topic has been breached, but I'd like to stir it up again with more general questions.

When Freya talked about coming out to her mother, there were several replies about doing it little at a time, or very calmly, or... just anything other than relaxed, it seems. It makes me wonder just how serious people take being a furry.

What does being furry mean to you?

As for myself, it's something fun to do and something fun to relate to other people with. At times I imagine myself with some kind of animal ears (generally horse or fox) moving with my own reactions. I love drawing and role playing furries, and I just love wearing a tail in public (I have yet to wear ears in public, tho...). I also believe, as I have said Freya, the bigger deal you make something out to be, the bigger deal it becomes.

It's not something I consider should be kept in such a serious regard. If you think about it, all being a furry is is having an over active imagination and enjoying every minute of it.

I do understand that some people aren't as accepting and understanding as I am. I suppose the reason I don't find it such a serious matter is because I'm not so concerned with a stranger's thoughts on it. Of course I'm going to be angry or otherwise upset at someone's utter rudeness and ignorance, but having the attention span of a gnat, I get over it or forget quickly enough (some guy tried to cop a feel when I was at Disney World... literaly ten seconds later I was bounding in high spirits to the Mad Tea Party ride ^.-).

So another question of curiousity is, how would YOU react to someone being rude/ignorant/unpleasent to you while in full or partial suit?

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« Reply #1 on: July 20, 2004, 03:41:23 am »
It means being 1 on 1 with my self. true to who I am and whats inside. Its not letting outside people judge me and if they do then not caring what  the few say if the many care about me.
 It means waering ears/tail becouse I like to no weird reasons just becouse. tho I admit its a fantastic bonus watching people reactions.
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« Reply #2 on: July 20, 2004, 09:40:36 am »
To me, being furry means having an outer shell that I can relate better to others through.  Although my shell is only virtual, I imagine that it's similar to why many furs wear fursuits.  It's a mental construct with which I can easily shift into a more attractive and likeable version of myself.  And if I'm lucky, I can bring some of that attractiveness and likeability into my "real world" dealings with other people.

So yeah, I guess in some people's eyes I take being furry a little too seriously.
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« Reply #3 on: July 20, 2004, 10:20:56 am »
Like Savaaha, to me being furry is just being me. While I don't do anything specific to show my furriness to nonfurs I don't do anything to hide it either. I'll eventually build a fursuit of my fursona, but I can't say I'd wear it in public- but who knows!
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« Reply #4 on: July 20, 2004, 06:00:06 pm »
Yeah... I also agree with Savaaha, for myself.
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« Reply #5 on: July 25, 2004, 01:00:18 am »
Quote (La_Cougra @ July 20 2004, 1:27 am)
So another question of curiousity is, how would YOU react to someone being rude/ignorant/unpleasent to you while in full or partial suit?

Here's my take, this will basically explain me:

My older sister (who I love dearly) decided she was Wiccan (or came to that realization). She had a falling out with almost every single family member and was shunned by the enirety of my mom's side of the family for years. My sister is BY FAR the best of us (cousins 'n such), but my aunts, uncles, and grandparents seemed to have missed the fact that our other cousins are: Alcoholics, Drug users, single parents, and nutrient-deprived valley girls. These, in my book, are far more dangerous and worse than being Wiccan. It's been terrible trying to live between the two sides (all sides in fact). Not only that, but none of them have ever gotten along with my dad and this is a chance for them to be the sadistic little church-mongers they all are.

So for me, I have to be 'the good one'. I've been labled that from the start. If for any reason I deviate from that path, no matter what, it will be an excuse to launch another assault on my parents ("Can't they raise ONE child right?" I hear them saying). Not only that, but it will also be a let-down on my parents' conscience. I sacrifice what I am and love for the honor of my family name. I know it sounds cheesey and I should just tell them all to accept me or go fly a kite, but seeing as how everyone treated my sister (and even now, on both sides of my family) I do not want the same thing and nothing I tell them will ever make their lives better. So why should I make everyone's life miserable by telling them things that I don't want them to know and they would not want to know in the first place.

On the other hand, if any of my relatives wanted to sit down with me and actually KNOW me and what I like and what I really am, then I will. I will not lie, but I will not initiate conversations I know will only end badly.

It is said that we live in an accepting society. But do we really? There are still jokes and prejudices of all kinds. I know plenty of people who would physically harm me for what I am, as well as plenty who would shun me and act as if I didn't exsist. The only thing that could make my situation worse would be if I also was Wiccan (and wore a fursuit).

I'm sorry to be so blantant, but this is truly what I feel. My family's honor means more to me than my own happiness. This is also why I set my friend's values ahead of my own (unless it comes to some physical harm on my part. I have more sense than that).

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« Reply #6 on: July 26, 2004, 04:11:34 pm »
What does being furry mean to me?

I'm almost scared to admit that I -am- furry.  I'm ashamed of being furry.  Because when someone uneducated finds out, for example, that I'm a furry, they automatically start asking about "rubber suits, screwing plushies, etc etc".

That is such an insult.  That is not what furry is being about.  There's people out there that rape plushies that don't consider themselves furries.  And just because I'm a furry doesn't mean that I participate in the mainstream publisized version of furry.

I mean really... all these shows on TV... you've seen them, I'm sure.  I can't remember which show it was, but one guy actually SAID that people who bleep in fursuits ARE CALLED FURRIES.

I'd like to create a new name/lable for us soul-furries.  I take it more to heart than the people the media pimps.

It's like being a witch.  I'm a witch.  Alot of uneducated people will automatically think green skin, pointed hats, magical brews... NO! See? It's the same thing.  It's all about education.

While wearing black velvet dresses/capes/pointed hats is much akin to wearing furry ears/tails, etc, it's just extra fluff.

Just because you wear a fursuit, or just ears and/or tail doesn't make you furry.  In my opinion, you have to BE furry... deep inside you.  And people like me shouldn't have to tread softly because of what I feel inside.

With all that said: I don't have anything against the actual acts of fursuiting, having sex in fursuits, having sex with plushies, getting tatoos to reflect an animal's markings, etc etc.  I just don't think these people should be trying to set a standard on what furry is.

As for the last question: How do I react when someone is rude towards me being a fursuit or partial suit?

I haven't had any bad experiences with it, actually.  I had a pair of ears that I wore for, I think, almost 2 years straight.  Just about everyday.  For the most part, nobody really noticed.  People who did make "cute" comments, which is kinda annoying 'cause I'm not doing it to be cute, but it is a cute thing, so I don't really complain about it.
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« Reply #7 on: July 26, 2004, 04:35:30 pm »
I think it's all a matter of perspective really, whilst I agree with everything you've said wholeheartedly, vehemently and without recourse, I wouldn't give up my name for anything.  'Tis those outside who've corrupted the furry name more than any inside and that saddens me but yet, I would not give up the name.  It is my name, it is our name and I'll be damned if I'll give it up just because a group of idiots think it's sick.

It's been like this throughout history though.  Humanity in general will take something, they will smite it and they will make it vile.  A peaceful race of peoples will become an evil, demonic horde.  It was done with the muslims, it was done with the native Americans.  To differing degrees, it's done with anything that doesn't partake in the "World clicque".

Normality is an ingenius invention, to be sure.  Yet it's also an insideous invention that can turn anything not average into something wholly vile, something that must be destroyed.

As I said, however.  It is all a matter of perspective.  The average human has an entire ancestory of precursors whom at sometime will have commited mass murders, will have raped.  They will have commited attrocities that you or I of the civilized World would have nightmares about.  They will have enjoyed it, it would've felt good.  Yet most would stick their heads in the sand and ignore this and be proud to be a part of that ancestry anyway.

They'd sit on a high moral Horse and pretend it never happened.

As cultures go, I think furry is rather passive and decent.  Yet no matter how peaceful and kind we are as people, we're not normal, nor shall we e'er be.  We shall be shunned by the hivemind of the collective clicque and we shall be demonized by the media who eagerly follow this coalescent will.  I find the greatest irony in that humans believe by far and wide they have individuality, when very few of them have any at all.

If they did, they would form their own opinions and those are the people that should matter to us.  To damnation forevermore with the rest of the lost souls, I say.  I wouldn't wish any harm on any of them but they could use a little sense knocked into them for the fear they've instilled in those around them who don't match up to their standards.

S'not all bad though, Sabu's Mom proves that.  ^.^

Golden rule thing, really.  Care about those that care about you but whilst we're a new culture, we are forming a heritage here today, we're forming something that's going to be remembered by someone down the line.  Hundreds of years from now we might have actual furries who'll look back on us as their precursors.  Yet we'll never have that if we're ready to give up, roll over and give up our name every time the clicque turns on us.

So I agree with everything you've said but that, just remember that furry has never classified itself that way, only the clicque has and the clicque will demonize anything.  Scientologists, Wiccans, Muslims, Native Americans... next they'll probably turn on Hindu.  Heck, they might even find a way to turn on each other so their respective Governments can annex other Countries and it'll be holy wars all over again.

Wait, that's already happening, isn't it?

Point is though, this isn't our doing.  This isn't our perception.

Our perception is that the individual defines furry and that we have a very open standard, almost like code.  That each individual can define furry and that it is a power unto itself.  That for each person, they cannot say "This is furry." because that would be a lie, they can only say "This is furry to me because..." and that's what furry is about.  It's about a few common interests and a lot of talented, intelligent people.

The clicque shouldn't sour anyone, anyway.  A clicque only needs to be a clcique because it's unable to function singularly.  I share the same bitterness but at them.  As I said, we need to get people to understand that metaphorically, every furry is an island and verily, a World unto themselves.  Every furry will have a unique perspective and a unique way of doing things.  We're as diverse as the race we were born from.

Course, there'll be the evils of generalization for a long time until people learn better but that doesn't make it any less true, eh?

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« Reply #8 on: July 27, 2004, 11:23:07 am »
Rereading what I wrote about what being furry means to me, I think I made it sound like it was completely an external thing for me.  But thats not the case.  We all have external projections of ourselves that we display to others, and they are often different based on who is watching.  And when I project my furry self, I feel that it comes from a deep inner feeling of being furry inside, a connection to something primal and animal within myself that when mixed with my "human intellect" becomes an anthro version of itself, or furry.

Sorry if I seem to be overanalyzing things.  I love to think things out philosophically.
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« Reply #9 on: July 27, 2004, 01:59:43 pm »
Well, I didn't change much since I found the fandom, I just had a sort of label to put on what I already was. So, for me, it's being true to who I am. A little spiritual, even. ^^;
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« Reply #10 on: July 28, 2004, 02:06:42 am »
Perhaps, to me, being furry is a way of communication, with my inner self, man.  It's kinda like taking the animal instincts, and animal spirit...the ones bottled deep inside...and setting them free, man.  Just.....out there!  Just....BAM!  Serious!  I know I sound like some pup who is just either trippin balls, or is mocking a lifestyle, but I'm not and I'm bein totally serious.  Totally!

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« Reply #11 on: July 28, 2004, 07:38:39 pm »
Many possible ways it means to me.
I love the artistical thing around the fandom. To be a furry for me is just to be myself in another fantasy way. And I like it.
Mostly because my char for example got quite cool but not godish powers and stuff like that.

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« Reply #12 on: July 28, 2004, 10:50:55 pm »
Furry is me. Deep down, I know I am furry, even before I realized it.

Ramla is my spiritual side. The side that dances with the cosmos and gives an understanding I never used to have. Whenever I feel myself as Ramla, I can gain better understanding of the Tarot I use. I can help others as they need me.

Ramla is also the side of me that wants to be free. Free to dance my heart's expressions. Free to love everyone as the caring people they are. Just...free...

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« Reply #13 on: July 29, 2004, 09:57:37 am »
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What does being furry mean to you?

Most importantly, I believe furry is believing in your true self and not caring what others will think. If you strongly believe you have this sort of connection to animals (or even just the fandom), you should express it and embrace it on no other condition.

For me, though, being furry is a highly spiritual thing. There have been too many events in my lifetime that have made me believe that I have this kinship with animals, and by taking a part in the furry community, I can come even closer with like-minded others.

With all of that aside...furry art is pretty 'effin nifty too. '<img'>
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« Reply #14 on: September 26, 2004, 02:59:13 pm »
being furry for me is a interest. But even if i where to set furry artwork aside and look at it, i feel that its a kinship between other people who feel the same way. I find being apart of the furry fandom almost to be apart of a family, and i feel like my furry friends are like brothers or sisters to me.
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« Reply #15 on: September 26, 2004, 03:08:46 pm »
Bieng furry to me, is about bieng who I am,or wish I could be. I have been bored of bieng human for a long time, and since that is unchangeable fact, I started wishing I was something else.
Well, I ended up inadvertantly(is that the right word?) becoming a furry.Of course, I had no Idea until about three months ago...
Anyway, thats my two cents worth. sorry if I went a little off topic.
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« Reply #16 on: October 01, 2004, 10:29:48 pm »
I don't think I can answer this without talking about layers.

 At the start and in the very foundation of the fandom to me, there is the art.  There is nothing to furry if it does not have it's art to show for itself.  And it's here that I find myself in my basic form - what I like.  It's such a broad thing that it can accomedate anything on top of it, which is why I think the whole fandom has expanded to what it is today.  I like the art.  It's something I like.  I like the constant anthropomorphic theme enough to prefer that kind of form to that which we call human.  I can't explain it in any way more than what I prefer.
 It's just something I can like with no complexities anywhere.

 Going along with this and bulding up the next layer, I have to say that the style of art attracts people with a certain style of character.  The type of personality that makes it so within the fandom I have not met a single person that I have disliked.  Not one furry has ever come across to me as being someone I would not want as a friend.  And with this, it means that I'll be safe within it.  I know that there are always kind furry people that will be there and always be supportive.
 We're all just a bunch of groovy people, and it's knowing that that makes the fandom so special because it's members care.  It's an open club that lets anyone in, and yet is constantly pleasant and can be a source of strength for anyone who's lonely, sad, or just generally having a bad time.  It's because you can have people admitting important things here like gender identity and never have anyone dislike you for it, because we're all so tollerant of things.
 In this respect, the fandom's second layer to me is care and love for everyone.

 From there it goes on to looser bits that are common, but not central.  Things like dressing up.  I myself would wear ears, paws, a tail and things like (If I had them), but I wouldn't wear a full fursuit for the same reason that I don't like high-heeled shoes.  It's just impractical clothing that makes it harder to do things in.  Not that a tail won't ever get in the way for things like sitting down, but it's more concentrated impracticality with a fursuit.
 But I'm trailing off there.  In the same kind of placement (But still separate) as wearing things for fun, I also put spirituality.  I don't see myself as anything more than a human who would prefer things to be different.  I don't feel particularly close to animals, nor do I have any in-depth thoughts of being a kangaroo.  The feeling is there that I'm a 'roo, but it's not as concentrated as it is for a lot of furs.  Regardless, there is an undenyable presence of spiritual beliefs that I think is quite cool.  I've always thought that those who hold true to a positive belief are worthy of respect, so when it comes to furs who have deep feelings of being non-human inside, then I think it's great for that to happen.  It just seems to be something admirable.

 Going back in to the inner workings of what being a furry means to me, it holds a core part inside of me.  Just the association gives me comfort for the reasons I explained in my second paragraph.  But beyond that, I have interlaced people that I care about in it.  I encountered a great friend of mine called Wuff (Who posts here under the name Rowne) over a year ago due to a chance encounter, and he introduced me to all of this, acting as a guide for me as I awoken within the furry fandom, and continued to be a great person and someone I admire a lot, and gives a great definition as to what the fandom is all about.
 With him I have Agius, who someone I care very deeply for, and even though we have yet to meet, I don't feel in the slightest wrong for caring as much as I do about him, because he's just that great.  And it is with my experiences with him that I have fully formed myself in to being what I had set myself up to be within the fandom.

 Undoubtedly without both of them I would not be who I am today.  I would probably have never joined in to the fandom had I not met Wuff, even if I did come across it at a later date.  And without Agius, I would still feel a little uncomfortable with roleplaying as a fur, and I would probably have less interest in being active.  I have the full intention now to go further in than I am because of him.  Thanks to his tales of Mephit Furmeet I really, really want to go there next year, and in failing that they year after for sure.  And it's without doubt due to both of them that I am the full and happy bisexual that I am now.  And to me, the fandom is both of them.  It would not be what it is to me without those two furs who have taken me in and made it all so special, and for that I am incredibly thankful to both of them.

 But I can't say something like this without mentioning one of my longest-running and greatest friends on the Internet, Whizkid, who has always been a good person, and even though he is not a furry himself, it's in his willingness to accept me for myself.  He is part of my concept on the fandom because of his acceptance and friendship that I have always had.  And I feel honoured to say that, even though it was just in a roleplaying topic on the message board we met on, I have been to Hell and back with him.


 In closing to this, and with a now-reviewed thought on myself, I have to say that it is the furries themselves that make the fandom.  It's the members and the ones that get along with it that make the fandom so important.  It's every single furry who I have come across and who have always been good people that make the furry fandom as important as it is, because if you were to throw away the spiritualism and the fursuiting and the roleplay and even to rip up the base artwork foundations that it all sits on, you would still have everyone being as great as they are, and that's all that matters.  To quote 3 Doors Down, the fandom is the sun "that shines to light the way for me to find my way back in to the arms that care about the ones like me".

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« Reply #17 on: October 01, 2004, 11:53:35 pm »
What is being furry to me? Getting in touch with myself, along with my "animalistic side". My friends do know that I have a strong liking for wolves and such, I've even told a few close friends that I was a furry. They had no problem with it.

My parents know I like wolves very much, and I'm sure if I explained what a furry is to them, and that I am one, they'll surely understand and accept that fact. But of course, they're usually too busy with work, or they're doing something else.

Also, I don't need to fursuit to get in touch with the furry in me. He's there whenever I think, he's there whenever I display emotion, he is my "alter-ego". He IS me. Don't always display it thouogh art or anything like that (I mean, I'll doodle every now and then, but nothing big). All that's important, is that I know who I am, and what I am. And by God, I am a furry.

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« Reply #18 on: October 10, 2004, 06:43:40 pm »
I dunno, this all seems so silly to me. Im furry cause I love the art, love the stories, love the idea of havin a tail, and do wish there were other things sentient then humans. But to take it as far as making it sound like a way of life, or spirituality? Its a fandom isnt it? And if this was about the spirituality, then does that make all native Americans, and any other similer culture all furries ':?:'  '<img'> .

As far as wearing tails, and ears, and even boots and gloves (I saw a girl wearing a gedup that included that much), heck! Thats all in the quest for originality! Thats not wierd, stupid, or taking anything too far. Wearing fursuits in public? Well, heck, lol I would if I had the money and knowhow to build my costume, but it would include lotsa mechanics (like a moterized face made to be insink with my own, and stilts that would make it confortably digitigrade), and lotsa carefull crafting. And its because Id put so much into it that Id wanna show it off. You do have to respect certain boundries for such a thing though, like the workplace and  some churches.

Meh, mainly, furry is just something thats made to be waay too big of a deal. And the fact that being a furry makes you a pervert in societies eye is infuriating, and rediculous. But the only way you can disprove that is by living by example, showing them its not a bad thing by any means.




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