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Terror in Boston: April 15-20, 2013
« on: April 15, 2013, 05:06:32 pm »
Just check the news for now...it also looks like a third bomb has just gone off at the Kennedy Library.

EDIT 1: It is unknown whether the Kennedy Library fire was caused by an explosion or is related.

EDIT 2: Here is a video of the explosions.

EDIT 3: Modified the title to reflect the events in Boston and the surrounding areas this week as a whole

Map of where the explosions took place:



It also looks like the disturbance at Kennedy Library was a mechanically-caused fire.
« Last Edit: April 20, 2013, 12:43:19 am by Mylo »

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Re: 2 bombs detonate at Boston Marathon
« Reply #1 on: April 15, 2013, 05:12:35 pm »
What scary to me is the two bombs fit simula pattern of palestinian terrorist : multiple bombs set of seconds apart.

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Re: 2 bombs detonate at Boston Marathon
« Reply #2 on: April 15, 2013, 05:15:30 pm »
I only just saw this now, these things never cease to upset me. Horrible horrible people, if you can call them that, i'm so sick of it.
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Re: 2 bombs detonate at Boston Marathon
« Reply #3 on: April 15, 2013, 05:44:35 pm »
Old furtopian here wanting to drop into this thread and let everyone know that our buddy Arbutus is fine and okay. He lives in Boston as well.
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Re: 2 bombs detonate at Boston Marathon
« Reply #4 on: April 15, 2013, 06:50:48 pm »

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Re: 2 bombs detonate at Boston Marathon
« Reply #5 on: April 15, 2013, 07:12:49 pm »
Here is a video of the explosions.

I couldn't quite see, but was there a second explosion and smoke way in the background down the street around the 20-25 second mark?

Hard to say if this was a terrorist act. If it was, it wasn't very big of an explosion, and there wasn't much damage. When terrorists act, they like to create as much damage and carnage as possible. I.e. - Kill as many people as possible. From what I could see, there wasn't a lot of damage to the buildings in the background either.
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Re: 2 bombs detonate at Boston Marathon
« Reply #6 on: April 15, 2013, 07:24:05 pm »
Here is a video of the explosions.

I couldn't quite see, but was there a second explosion and smoke way in the background down the street around the 20-25 second mark?

Yes, the video shows both explosions (you can hear the second one at the time you listed).

We'll see what happened as more information comes in.  Apparently, there were a couple other bombs that were found that didn't go off.

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Re: 2 bombs detonate at Boston Marathon
« Reply #7 on: April 15, 2013, 08:07:10 pm »
Kobuk

The terrorist do not have to kill but disrupt.
I been talking to a friend and she raised a question what will do to other marathons. It will cause increased security and drain resource.  

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Re: 2 bombs detonate at Boston Marathon
« Reply #8 on: April 15, 2013, 08:10:45 pm »
Kobuk

The terrorist do not have to kill but disrupt.
I been talking to a friend and she raised a question what will do to other marathons. It will cause increased security and drain resource.  

Like the coming London Marathon.

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Re: 2 bombs detonate at Boston Marathon
« Reply #9 on: April 16, 2013, 02:42:28 am »
I can't tell if that camera guy has a lot of dedication or very little common sense, walking toward the explosion... might've been the last thing he ever did if they'd been more powerful and/or well-timed.
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Re: 2 bombs detonate at Boston Marathon
« Reply #10 on: April 16, 2013, 10:01:53 am »
Kobuk

The terrorist do not have to kill but disrupt.
I been talking to a friend and she raised a question what will do to other marathons. It will cause increased security and drain resource.  
there were people killed though, and i do not quite like the idea of acceptable numbers of casualties.
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Re: 2 bombs detonate at Boston Marathon
« Reply #11 on: April 16, 2013, 10:20:00 am »
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The terrorist do not have to kill but disrupt.
I been talking to a friend and she raised a question what will do to other marathons. It will cause increased security and drain resource.  
The explosives, due to the shrapnel pulled out of the injured/dead, proved that these were meant to kill entirely; they were using ball bearings as shrapnel, a key element for any anti-personel explosives. If they were more forceful, it would be for disruption more. I find this will achieve likely the same end;
But if you want to terrorize a nation right, I hate to say, they are setting an example. Civilian casualties are the best way to cause unrest.
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Re: 2 bombs detonate at Boston Marathon
« Reply #12 on: April 16, 2013, 11:16:06 am »
Kobuk

The terrorist do not have to kill but disrupt.
I been talking to a friend and she raised a question what will do to other marathons. It will cause increased security and drain resource.  
The explosives, due to the shrapnel pulled out of the injured/dead, proved that these were meant to kill entirely; they were using ball bearings as shrapnel, a key element for any anti-personel explosives. If they were more forceful, it would be for disruption more. I find this will achieve likely the same end;
But if you want to terrorize a nation right, I hate to say, they are setting an example. Civilian casualties are the best way to cause unrest.

The force of an explosion can itself kill, even if it's not enough to literally blow a person apart, and can create (additional) shrapnel from things caught in the blast, so really it would make sense to use as much as they have access to and can conceal. That said, I agree they probably wanted to kill as many as possible, and I think the reason they didn't was probably just miscalculation on their part.
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Re: 2 bombs detonate at Boston Marathon
« Reply #13 on: April 16, 2013, 12:45:50 pm »
Kobuk

The terrorist do not have to kill but disrupt.
I been talking to a friend and she raised a question what will do to other marathons. It will cause increased security and drain resource.  
The explosives, due to the shrapnel pulled out of the injured/dead, proved that these were meant to kill entirely; they were using ball bearings as shrapnel, a key element for any anti-personel explosives. If they were more forceful, it would be for disruption more. I find this will achieve likely the same end;
But if you want to terrorize a nation right, I hate to say, they are setting an example. Civilian casualties are the best way to cause unrest.

The bombs composition, shrapnel and timing, suggest similar tactics used by palestinian terrorist  in Israel.  There bombs are small but designed to cause a lot of casualties including death by throwing out a high amount of shrapnel. Medical report show a large amount of lower  extremities wounds; suggesting they wanted to keep the shrapnel pattern low hitting legs of runners. Militarily causing near fatalities are more of a tactical advantage since they use more resources over a longer period of time.

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Re: 2 bombs detonate at Boston Marathon
« Reply #14 on: April 16, 2013, 05:17:24 pm »
What happened to that small boy got to me most
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Re: 2 bombs detonate at Boston Marathon
« Reply #15 on: April 16, 2013, 05:26:13 pm »
Kobuk

The terrorist do not have to kill but disrupt.
I been talking to a friend and she raised a question what will do to other marathons. It will cause increased security and drain resource.  
The explosives, due to the shrapnel pulled out of the injured/dead, proved that these were meant to kill entirely; they were using ball bearings as shrapnel, a key element for any anti-personel explosives. If they were more forceful, it would be for disruption more. I find this will achieve likely the same end;
But if you want to terrorize a nation right, I hate to say, they are setting an example. Civilian casualties are the best way to cause unrest.

The bombs composition, shrapnel and timing, suggest similar tactics used by palestinian terrorist  in Israel.  There bombs are small but designed to cause a lot of casualties including death by throwing out a high amount of shrapnel. Medical report show a large amount of lower  extremities wounds; suggesting they wanted to keep the shrapnel pattern low hitting legs of runners. Militarily causing near fatalities are more of a tactical advantage since they use more resources over a longer period of time.

Y'see, I didn't hear about the injury types specifically until you said that. Nobody on the news said anything about it being lower on the body.

But that's irrelivent to the point I'm trying to make when it comes to civilian casualties, in which case a dead or nearly inoperable soul is a lot more startling than injuries. Unless you count the injured individual realizing his/her injury. I'd rather a wounded friend than a dead one. The void of someone not being there is an emotional form of terrorism-Not the tactical terrorism you speak of. Of course... In this situation, the tactical form was what was happening from what you've told me, so I really have no idea why I'm arguing this.

Anyways, it's terrorism either way.
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Re: 2 bombs detonate at Boston Marathon
« Reply #16 on: April 17, 2013, 11:35:39 am »
Here is a video of the explosions.

Hard to say if this was a terrorist act. If it was, it wasn't very big of an explosion, and there wasn't much damage. When terrorists act, they like to create as much damage and carnage as possible. I.e. - Kill as many people as possible. From what I could see, there wasn't a lot of damage to the buildings in the background either.

Exactly my thoughts. When I first saw the explosion it just looked like a smoke grenade. I really don't know what to think right now and there are a lot of articles circulating on FB. Like these two

http://enfordummies.com/wordpress/you-are-not-really-that-stupid-are-you-america-boston-bombing-morons/

http://www.npr.org/blogs/itsallpolitics/2013/04/16/177496734/how-congress-quietly-overhauled-its-insider-trading-law

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151558149758158&set=a.164316358157.119690.798733157&type=1&theater

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=511970942203151&set=a.420920824641497.103203.420918257975087&type=1&theater

You can see the one group was made December 2011. And that last one is clearly the picture and same person. Granted it could have been photoshopped and I have not been watching the news... I dunno! Don't know!

I feel sorry for the people who have been effected and the country. We're all confused and we can't get a straight answer...
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Re: 2 bombs detonate at Boston Marathon
« Reply #17 on: April 17, 2013, 03:03:08 pm »
I don't mean to offend anyone but, sometimes i find some conspiracy theories quite disrespectful
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« Reply #18 on: April 17, 2013, 04:56:21 pm »
As for conspiracy theorists, come on.  Why would they be stupid enough to leave a trail of bread crumbs so easily noticed?  A lot of bread crumbs.  It just seems ridiculous, like some Hollywood movie (a la National Treasure).  As an example, if you were a "plotter," why would you ever create a "Remember Boston" Facebook page before it actually happens?  Dramatic irony?  Where is the motivation?  What is there to gain?

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« Reply #19 on: April 17, 2013, 04:59:19 pm »
As for conspiracy theorists, come on.  Why would they be stupid enough to leave a trail of bread crumbs so easily noticed?  A lot of bread crumbs.  It just seems ridiculous, like some Hollywood movie (a la National Treasure).  As an example, if you were a "plotter," why would you ever create a "Remember Boston" Facebook page before it actually happens?  Dramatic irony?  Where is the motivation?  What is there to gain?
i don't mind too much either way, it is your opinion, but is this in favour of theorists or against? i can't tell, (Imma sucha dope :P)
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Re: 2 bombs detonate at Boston Marathon
« Reply #20 on: April 17, 2013, 05:09:37 pm »
As for conspiracy theorists, come on.  Why would they be stupid enough to leave a trail of bread crumbs so easily noticed?  A lot of bread crumbs.  It just seems ridiculous, like some Hollywood movie (a la National Treasure).  As an example, if you were a "plotter," why would you ever create a "Remember Boston" Facebook page before it actually happens?  Dramatic irony?  Where is the motivation?  What is there to gain?
i don't mind too much either way, it is your opinion, but is this in favour of theorists or against? i can't tell, (Imma sucha dope :P)

Against.

And come on, in that Facebook picture, where the tweet says something like "Controlled explosion going on in less than a minute."  Why would you ever put that on Twitter (if the theories are true, wouldn't the plotters have been that much more careful to hide their tracks, considering their ultimate goal is to install a New World Order or whatever they want to do)?  :P  Good job then, posting your plan on the site that over 100 million people use. 

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« Reply #21 on: April 17, 2013, 05:15:22 pm »
You never know the reason people do it. It's just all very confusing.
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« Reply #22 on: April 17, 2013, 05:15:46 pm »
I almost got into an argument with someone about this IRL, decided to ignore him though, last time i had an argument like that it was about Waco, and it was annoying
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Re: 2 bombs detonate at Boston Marathon
« Reply #23 on: April 17, 2013, 05:38:51 pm »
But the way I see it is whether or not this was a conspiracy or terrorist, the unwanted outcome is more security legislation, etc...  We haven't had a successful terrorist attack (not caused by a gun and of scale) since 9/11.  I'd say that means our security is pretty darn good. 

I've been to the Boston Marathon.  Boston is a college town, and so a lot of people have backpacks.  The runners and their families all have bags filled with water, etc...  It's normal.  There are thousands of people crowding everywhere.  Someone, if they planned it right (which they did) could just walk amongst the crowd right into the target spot.  Of course there are officers.  Amongst the thousands that have gone to the Boston Marathon in all these years, only one person has been successful.  And considering the response to this tragedy was professional and timely, I'd say that we are all still very safe. 

Unless we have some kind of omni-scanner thing that can detect if there are explosives in people's bags, there isn't really much more we can do without being paranoid (actually inspecting each and every bag at specified checkpoints around the perimeter of the city part of the Boston Marathon).  We as people just need to be mindful that there could be people out there who have evil intentions.  If you seem suspicious and a police officer comes up to you and asks to inspect your bag, why not?  Just smile, 10 seconds later, he/she smiles back, "Have a nice day :)," done. 

So, TL;DR: We don't need any more security legislation.  This was an unfortunate and rare event, but responders handled it well.

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« Reply #24 on: April 17, 2013, 05:41:09 pm »
very true Mylo :)
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