California's "Bathroom" Bill

[Plantan]

California is allowing children starting in Kindergarten(age 5) decide whether or not they'd like to use the boy's or girl's restrooms based on their gender identity. I don't know what to think of it logistically, but I think it's an innovative idea....

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/08/22/fox-news-california-trans-bill-montage_n_3798028.html?utm_hp_ref=transgender


Your thoughts?

[Arashi_Calunata]

Very... Awkward. And more than a little wrong, in my opinion. Actually, the only way this would make sense to me is a unisex BR.

[WhiteAkitaKeiko]

That kinda arkward idea...
AND children that young, don't understand the word s*x .
I understand that you can change your gender when you an adult, but not a child, they too young

[Tabio Amen]

That kinda arkward idea...
AND children that young, don't understand the word s*x .
I understand that you can change your gender when you an adult, but not a child, they too young

I feel like this is a double standard. Kids claiming to be cisgendered are never subject to scrutiny, whereas kids claiming to be transgendered are often told they're too young to know what that means. Same thing with gay kids: a five year old expressing a crush on someone of the opposite sex isn't looked at twice, whereas one who says they like someone of the same sex is often told they're too young to know what they want.

I've never heard a concrete example of why letting kids use whichever bathroom they want to use would be a problem, except vaguely that it would be awkward. I'm curious to know what you guys think.

[WhiteAkitaKeiko]

That kinda arkward idea...
AND children that young, don't understand the word s*x .
I understand that you can change your gender when you an adult, but not a child, they too young

I feel like this is a double standard. Kids claiming to be cisgendered are never subject to scrutiny, whereas kids claiming to be transgendered are often told they're too young to know what that means. Same thing with gay kids: a five year old expressing a crush on someone of the opposite sex isn't looked at twice, whereas one who says they like someone of the same sex is often told they're too young to know what they want.

I've never heard a concrete example of why letting kids use whichever bathroom they want to use would be a problem, except vaguely that it would be awkward. I'm curious to know what you guys think.

I know, what you mean Tabio. But when I was small (5 years old) I didn't even know what transgendered meant.
My point was that young children don't understand these kind of words, since their brains just started to develop .
Why in school teachers don't talk about these stuff when they in kindergarten? Because they too small to understand the true
meaning of it.
Its just my personal opinion

[Avor]

California is allowing children starting in Kindergarten(age 5) decide whether or not they'd like to use the boy's or girl's restrooms based on their gender identity...
Your thoughts?

Very bad idea. Btathrooms are serperate becuase of biological and privacy needs, and those needs ttrump emotional/mental wants.

Even if you want confused and needy children to do whatever they want, this will without question be abused. I don't think I was the only 7 year old who wanted to see nude girls.

[Yip]

I know, what you mean Tabio. But when I was small (5 years old) I didn't even know what transgendered meant.
My point was that young children don't understand these kind of words, since their brains just started to develop.

This is more of an argument in favor of unisex bathrooms for young children. Otherwise you are effectively training children that they need to conform to gender stereotypes put forth by society instead of simply letting the children learn to be themselves.

I think unisex bathrooms for both children and adults would be a better solution anyway. Any argument against unisex bathrooms I've ever heard is either sexist or it is an argument in favor of having multiple smaller rooms rather than a big shared thing. Which I also think is a good idea.

[Jacoby Quinn]

i think this is great, the separation of sexes is what makes sex so tempting for young people, if something is forbidden people just want it more, i think this will do an incredible amount of good if this becomes nation wide that idea will spawn a revolutionary new generation who isn't obsessed with sex and love at a young age, that leaves two primary other pursuits, wealth, and knowledge, two things our country desperately needs

[Scarlegs]

I think it's a great idea as long as it's properly monitored so that kids don't go and take a peek at each other nude. I think the idea of unisex bathrooms is a good idea too

[Tabio Amen]

I think unisex bathrooms for both children and adults would be a better solution anyway. Any argument against unisex bathrooms I've ever heard is either sexist or it is an argument in favor of having multiple smaller rooms rather than a big shared thing. Which I also think is a good idea.

Good point.

[WhiteAkitaKeiko]

I think that is very good idea. I'm sorry for the last post, I just had a bad day , my guinea pig had died.

[Chiscringle]

It seems a good idea either way.  A lot of kids decide they're the wrong sex early on and it's good to give them a chance to see whether they're right.  It might just be 'other side of the fence' envy or it might be genuine.  Best to find out before puberty, that way development can be altered a lot more easily.

[bkatt500]

I'm just kinda like *shrug* about this.  I thought the idea of something like that would be strange when I was little because I was raised pretty heteronormative, but later I realized it really, really does not matter.  And kids might not know the word transexual, but I think they can get the concept, especially if they are trans.  Frankly, I think just make everything unisex.  As far as privacy goes, there's stalls, you're already separated.