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Orion spacecraft test mission
« on: December 04, 2014, 11:30:29 am »
Orion test flight scrubbed 24 hours due to problems with the Delta 4 heavy launch
vehicle..  Click link for more information.


http://www.nasa.gov/






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Re: Orion spacecraft test mission
« Reply #1 on: December 04, 2014, 10:01:46 pm »
I wish the public was more excited about space exploration. Imagine the developments that could be made if serious resources were committed to the establishment of a martian colony, rather than empire building. The space race gave the world far more in the journey than the end result would suggest.
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Re: Orion spacecraft test mission
« Reply #2 on: December 05, 2014, 12:15:37 pm »
Orion space craft makes a successful flght from launch pad to ocean splash down today Dec 5, 2014.

Yes I agree it would be well if there was more interest in space flight by the public at large.
I fear we (U.S.A.) will be chasing China or Russia back to the moon or Mars.

It's hard to get any politician to vote for anything in the distant future. So we tend to follow rather
than lead. The only reason we went to the moon was to prove we could put the largest payload in
orbit. (Part of the cold war.) Otherwise they likely would have put the lunar lander in earth orbit
with a seperate smaller rocket. Then docked with it there before going on to the moon.

However the Orion spacecraft is a major first step for future space exploration. Soon to have the
heavy lift rocket that can take us back to the Moon or deep space built for testing in a couple years
if all goes well. 

Onward and upward.  :orbunny:
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Re: Orion spacecraft test mission
« Reply #3 on: December 06, 2014, 01:41:43 am »
its pretty sad that not that many people are interested in space anymore. it seems that people have been more interested with taking selfies and posting all over social media sights.

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Re: Orion spacecraft test mission
« Reply #4 on: December 12, 2014, 01:24:34 am »
I wish the public was more excited about space exploration. Imagine the developments that could be made if serious resources were committed to the establishment of a martian colony, rather than empire building. The space race gave the world far more in the journey than the end result would suggest.

The problem is political will and government bureaucracy , there no payoff for the politician.  I watched the moon landing live as a boy but soon after the objections  started come out of the woodwork  and across, pointing it to costly to have space mission when we should spend money  on the problems on earth than  run off in space.    The detractors  of space program are winning.

Another problem Nasa Bureaucracy.  I agree with this guy NASA is doing it wrong.
http://www.slate.com/blogs/bad_astronomy/2014/12/08/orion_and_sls_time_to_rethink_nasa_s_direction.html
In addition the Orion  future is based on an unproven rocket not developed yet : the  Space Launch System. Nasa track record is  dismal remember the last time with  Ares I-X Rocket ? 

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Re: Orion spacecraft test mission
« Reply #5 on: December 19, 2014, 12:02:38 pm »
Most of the problem is politics.  Politicians won't or can't set a long term goal in stone. 

So with each new congress the space program is changed. Also it's a soft target for
budget cuts. So Nasa has to work with changing budgets. This ends up costing more
in the long run.

As said those who don't feel the space program is worthwhile feed disinformation to
the public. Money spent on space is spent here not in space. It creates many many
high paying jobs. It also incourages young people to take science, engineering, and
other degrees in college. The country needs well educated people to compete
with other countries in the future. Otherwise we will fall behind, which is a danger
to our national security.
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Re: Orion spacecraft test mission
« Reply #6 on: December 20, 2014, 02:16:23 am »
Most of the problem is politics.  Politicians won't or can't set a long term goal in stone. 

So with each new congress the space program is changed. Also it's a soft target for
budget cuts. So Nasa has to work with changing budgets. This ends up costing more
in the long run.

As said those who don't feel the space program is worthwhile feed disinformation to
the public. Money spent on space is spent here not in space. It creates many many
high paying jobs. It also incourages young people to take science, engineering, and
other degrees in college. The country needs well educated people to compete
with other countries in the future. Otherwise we will fall behind, which is a danger
to our national security.

The problem is  Nasa   has innovate anything  since the Apollo program, since the 1970's e we left with  cost overrun and failed  promises starting with the space shuttle.  As the Stand joke gos NASa exist as a job program to keep six  astronauts  up The Orion is inefficient using three Delta IV heavy compared to a single  nin engine  rocket for Spacex.

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Re: Orion spacecraft test mission
« Reply #7 on: December 20, 2014, 12:26:08 pm »
As with any government agency one finds inefficiency. Regulation is partly to blame. They are required
to hire specified buisnesses, and buy items no matter how much more they cost. They rarely buy off
the shelf items which would be much less costly. If they have a failure the public goes nuts, or at least
the media does. Politics in general cause things to be more expensive, due to back scratching.

It always puzzles me why people make such a big outcry when we have a problem with a spacecraft. Or
if an astronaut dies, If it had been the same for aircraft, trains, boats, or cars. We would still be walking
everywhere. I am not happy to see people die or large expensive losses, ,but it's part of the learning
process and always will be.

It's good to see private industry getting into space. I hope we see much more of it.

One thing we rarely hear about the shuttle. The shuttle was to be somewhat smaller when it was
first designed. Then the intelligence agency decided they needed it to place huge spy, and military
satellites in orbit. This increase in size created more problems with maintaining the spacecraft over all.

Of course it could be that Nasa offered to use the shuttle for this purpose to get the funding
for the costly shuttle project. Military projects generally don't have to worry that much about
cost over runs.

I imagine it was mainly built to serve the military and intelligence agency, not to build the international
space station which was proposed by President Reagan a few years later.

I think it's safe to say the whole space program was created for defense more than anything else.
After all Sputnik scared the heck out of the military and the hawks in government. They just knew
the Soviets were going to put bombs in orbit. For all we know some bombs did make it to orbit. x_x

I imagine as with any advancement defense will always have priority. Unfortuanty it's likely to
always be the case.

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