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The fear and spread of Ebola.
« on: October 15, 2014, 06:53:26 pm »
It's been recently confirmed that another nurse at a Dallas hospital in the U.S. has Ebola. As more and more days pass, the situation in western Africa just gets worse and worse with more people dying every day. What are your thoughts about Ebola? What can or should be done?
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Re: The fear and spread of Ebola.
« Reply #1 on: October 15, 2014, 10:36:38 pm »
West Nile Virus
Bird Flue

And all the rest of the propaganda and fear.  B.S.

YOU have already contracted the West Nile Virus. Unless you've been off world or live in a bubble.
YOUR chances of catching the Bird Flue is slime to NONE.

And now I see Fox news is running a story on rats.

Fear is a way of controlling people.
You decide.
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Re: The fear and spread of Ebola.
« Reply #2 on: October 15, 2014, 11:15:39 pm »
Ebola is spread mainly through contact with infected feces. Such contact can be avoided by using this high-tech containment device:



The scarcity of such devices in Africa is what accounts for the rapid spread of the disease there. People lucky enough to live in an area with access to such devices should stop panicking now. Although it's not clear to me why they ever started panicking in the first place.
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Re: The fear and spread of Ebola.
« Reply #3 on: October 18, 2014, 04:21:06 am »
Actually,  this is an internet rumor that is getting a bit out of hand and is spreading rather dangerous misinformation.  Contrary to what is becoming popular belief on the internet, it's actually not that hard to transmit ebola to others and there is some legitimate concern that it could become a problem.   According to the CDC, "Ebola is spread through direct contact (through broken skin or mucous membranes in, for example, the eyes, nose, or mouth) with blood or body fluids (including but not limited to urine, saliva, sweat, feces, vomit, and breast milk) of a person who is sick with Ebola.

When people say a disease isn't airborn,  what that means is that it doesn't leave virus particles suspended in the air.  It does NOT mean the virus can not be spread through coughs and sneezes if they are direct.  That means when someone sneezes on a bus?  They can transmit the disease.

Also,  ebola can survive dried on a surface for hours.  That means if someone sneezes or wipes their nose on their hand,  or licks food off their fingers and then touches a doorknob?  You can transmit the disease.


That being said,  I think we could easily handle this situation if we just did things properly.  Anyone who had direct contact with the Ebola patients,  including every single one of the people stuck on the fight with the nurse that got it, especially the flight attendants who probably touched her plastic cup she put her mouth on (remember the disease can be transmitted even through dried saliva) needs to be contacted immediately by the CDC and given instructions.  They need the warning signs and symptoms and a phone number to call if they become symptomatic.  The very second they are symptomatic they need to call that phone number and be quarantined at a qualified facility with nurses dedicated to them.

One of the most dangerous times when dealing with a highly infectious disease is when you're removing the safety equipment.   The nurses who contracted the disease were required to manage normal numbers of patients (usually about 6) including non ebola patients which means they had to remove and reapply the protective gear every single time the patient needed a glass of water.  This is the absolute least ideal scenario for this disease.  What we need is to have nurses that can get into gear and stay that way for their whole shift, and who can take a full shower immediately after removing their gear assisted by a second nurse.
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Re: The fear and spread of Ebola.
« Reply #4 on: October 18, 2014, 06:55:48 am »
This is certainly some scary stuff. Especially living in Texas... But. Honestly I'm not worried too much. I cannot really do much about it anywho. Besides being careful only gets you so far.

In fact! One of the hospitals on my courier route. Um, they asked me when I was picking up blood samples if my company transported Ebola samples. Now I would have just because it would be properly packaged and taken care of but our company didn't train us for class A highly infectious diseases. So of course I told him no, we're only trained to class B. Salmonella for example is class B. It was a little freaky being in that room with the little glass vial in the stand that said Ebola sample...

In the end I feel like if precautions are taken, and people are well informed instead of just scared we would be much better for it.
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Re: The fear and spread of Ebola.
« Reply #5 on: October 19, 2014, 01:09:25 pm »
Actually,  this is an internet rumor that is getting a bit out of hand and is spreading rather dangerous misinformation.  Contrary to what is becoming popular belief on the internet, it's actually not that hard to transmit ebola to others and there is some legitimate concern that it could become a problem.   According to the CDC, "Ebola is spread through direct contact (through broken skin or mucous membranes in, for example, the eyes, nose, or mouth) with blood or body fluids (including but not limited to urine, saliva, sweat, feces, vomit, and breast milk) of a person who is sick with Ebola.

When people say a disease isn't airborn,  what that means is that it doesn't leave virus particles suspended in the air.  It does NOT mean the virus can not be spread through coughs and sneezes if they are direct.  That means when someone sneezes on a bus?  They can transmit the disease.

Also,  ebola can survive dried on a surface for hours.  That means if someone sneezes or wipes their nose on their hand,  or licks food off their fingers and then touches a doorknob?  You can transmit the disease.


That being said,  I think we could easily handle this situation if we just did things properly.  Anyone who had direct contact with the Ebola patients,  including every single one of the people stuck on the fight with the nurse that got it, especially the flight attendants who probably touched her plastic cup she put her mouth on (remember the disease can be transmitted even through dried saliva) needs to be contacted immediately by the CDC and given instructions.  They need the warning signs and symptoms and a phone number to call if they become symptomatic.  The very second they are symptomatic they need to call that phone number and be quarantined at a qualified facility with nurses dedicated to them.

One of the most dangerous times when dealing with a highly infectious disease is when you're removing the safety equipment.   The nurses who contracted the disease were required to manage normal numbers of patients (usually about 6) including non ebola patients which means they had to remove and reapply the protective gear every single time the patient needed a glass of water.  This is the absolute least ideal scenario for this disease.  What we need is to have nurses that can get into gear and stay that way for their whole shift, and who can take a full shower immediately after removing their gear assisted by a second nurse.

Alsek said it right.

But we should remember good hygiene is always the best way to stay safe from many
diseases. Influenza is easy to transmit, and kills tens of thousands each year along with
several other deseases.

Flu shots have always worked well for me, and should be used if one is caring for the young
or the very old.

Wash your hands often, always before you eat also before and after handling or prepareing
food. sneeze into your sleeve or a hanky. If you must rub your nose or eyes, use the back of
your hand or the back of your fingers. 

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Re: The fear and spread of Ebola.
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Re: The fear and spread of Ebola.
« Reply #7 on: October 19, 2014, 09:51:49 pm »
Wash your hands often, always before you eat also before and after handling or prepareing
food. sneeze into your sleeve or a hanky. If you must rub your nose or eyes, use the back of
your hand or the back of your fingers.
Don't use hankies. They are super gross and germs can survive on them for long periods of time. It's better to use tissues (and then dispose of them after use..). also not sure what you meant about the sleeve but it's better to sneeze into your elbow which I'm pretty sure that's what you mean. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3vw0hIs2LEg At my school we call it the vampire sneeze :P
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Re: The fear and spread of Ebola.
« Reply #8 on: October 20, 2014, 12:35:21 pm »
Wash your hands often, always before you eat also before and after handling or prepareing
food. sneeze into your sleeve or a hanky. If you must rub your nose or eyes, use the back of
your hand or the back of your fingers.
Don't use hankies. They are super gross and germs can survive on them for long periods of time. It's better to use tissues (and then dispose of them after use..). also not sure what you meant about the sleeve but it's better to sneeze into your elbow which I'm pretty sure that's what you mean. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3vw0hIs2LEg At my school we call it the vampire sneeze :P

Yes I meant your own hanky or a tissue which can be washed or tossed. If your blowing snot or have a cold you should be carrying
tissues anyway. However your own hanky would have your own germs, and always works in a pinch.

Yes the sleeve or elbow if your wearing a short sleeve shirt. Or inside your jacket if your wearing one.

It's all about not spraying germs over the whole room or nearby space.  If I remember correctly a sneeze can spray particals up to 20 ft away.
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Re: The fear and spread of Ebola.
« Reply #9 on: October 23, 2014, 07:10:35 pm »
I heard it can be passed just having contact with someone infected. I think we should quarantine western Africa and if people are coming back to the USA then they go straight to quarantine. Hey if we have to quarantine our pets then we can do it with people too.

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Re: The fear and spread of Ebola.
« Reply #10 on: October 27, 2014, 02:24:28 am »
Wash your hands often, always before you eat also before and after handling or prepareing
food. sneeze into your sleeve or a hanky. If you must rub your nose or eyes, use the back of
your hand or the back of your fingers.
Don't use hankies. They are super gross and germs can survive on them for long periods of time. It's better to use tissues (and then dispose of them after use..). also not sure what you meant about the sleeve but it's better to sneeze into your elbow which I'm pretty sure that's what you mean. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3vw0hIs2LEg At my school we call it the vampire sneeze :P

Yes I meant your own hanky or a tissue which can be washed or tossed. If your blowing snot or have a cold you should be carrying
tissues anyway. However your own hanky would have your own germs, and always works in a pinch.

Yes the sleeve or elbow if your wearing a short sleeve shirt. Or inside your jacket if your wearing one.

It's all about not spraying germs over the whole room or nearby space.  If I remember correctly a sneeze can spray particals up to 20 ft away.
Not if you sneeze correctly into your elbow.

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Re: The fear and spread of Ebola.
« Reply #11 on: October 27, 2014, 09:05:34 am »
In my country we also had a nurse who got infected, and she is allright by now. As some people alredy said, since the virus spreads only through fluids, I believe it will be hard for any pandemic to take place (I'm not sure if I said that right). However the situation in Africa is really worrying.

I heard something nasty about the reason behind bringing back people infected in Africa to their own countries, I heard (and seems logic, and sad) that the most important reason for doing so, is because of the opportunity to be the first in developing a vaccine to be sold.

Anyway, I'm glad its over (for now) over here, and hope you guys come out of this soon too.
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