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Re: U.S. Government Shutdown
« Reply #25 on: October 02, 2013, 02:44:36 pm »
I'm not American but, As much as I dislike Obama, Would you rather have Romney?

Also, Our government is just as bad  :P[/color
I voted for him don't blame me.


Ps. I do not get  the ides how money is being lost in the shutdown: Shutdown = less money spent = money saved.

Pss. How many functions can that are shut down can be sold to private enterprise or  non profit groups (memorials and parks and unused federal lands).  Shape  the lesson we can lean is how little government we need.
 
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Re: U.S. Government Shutdown
« Reply #26 on: October 02, 2013, 03:32:50 pm »
Too much politics and not enough action. Those in congress
are supposed to be there to decide what is best for the
country, not trying to get re-elected.

If those in congress don't want public health care, why don't
they vote to stop their own government paid health care?

As is, health care costs have been growing faster than inflation
for many years. If we don't find a way to reduce costs. The only
people who can get decent health care in the future will be the
rich.

It always seems odd that the medical community complains about
not having enough money, but they still manage to build fancy offices
and hospitals that cost millions.

Perhaps they need to be audited.










I totally agree with you. I can totally relate to the whole complaining about the lack of money thing. The High School I attended was build an entirelly new building while I was a Freshman. The students were moved to this new building the following school year. The people in charge of the school complained about not being able to buy books, despite the fact that they had two flat screen televisions that they had in the student lobby that was never used the three years that I was there in school. How can you complain when you had the money to get the televisions, but didn't have the money to get books.......
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Re: U.S. Government Shutdown
« Reply #27 on: October 02, 2013, 04:53:24 pm »
Congress is actually forced to go on the exchanges by the ACA.  So their coverage IS affected by the ACA.

The reason money is lost in the shutdown is because there is no commensurate decrease in work to do.  The Fed is a public organization that has obligations to the public.  So the military still has to get its maintenance and social security recipients still have to get their paperwork dealt with, except now it's being done by fewer people and when the USG reopens, it reopens with a backlog which = overtime.  That and it's traditional (though this time probably won't happen) for furloughed employees to receive back pay.  After all, they know who lost them their paychecks.  In addition, parks, museums, zoos and so on run by USG stop taking in ticket sales but still have to be maintained.  Tigers don't shut down and trees don't stop burning in national forests because Congress has told them to stop.
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Re: U.S. Government Shutdown
« Reply #28 on: October 02, 2013, 05:52:09 pm »
This never would have happened if HE was our president...

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Re: U.S. Government Shutdown
« Reply #29 on: October 02, 2013, 05:55:46 pm »
This never would have happened if HE was our president...


I just died of laughter more than a little bit. Well played sir.
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Re: U.S. Government Shutdown
« Reply #30 on: October 02, 2013, 06:07:27 pm »
Strange, Your pic is broken for me  :(
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Re: U.S. Government Shutdown
« Reply #31 on: October 02, 2013, 06:21:01 pm »
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Re: U.S. Government Shutdown
« Reply #32 on: October 02, 2013, 06:23:24 pm »
Who cares, the world is a mess anyway.  Just carry on with your pitiful meaningless lives so that right when you think you might get somewhere, the whole rest of the world comes  crashing down on top of you.  ;)

Pessimistic much? Come on, If you can't have any hope at all then what's the point?

Also that picture is a mix of nostalgia and funny ^_^

Also, I think you at least deserve a national health service. Although I suppose you get health care from work right?
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Re: U.S. Government Shutdown
« Reply #33 on: October 02, 2013, 07:25:46 pm »
Generally, it depends on the work. Career type work gives you more benefits than a minimum wage type job does. It leaves a lot of people out without health insurance. I'm Canadian, so I can't talk from first hand experience on what it's like down south, but I know that health care here has helped a lot of people when they didn't have the cash flow otherwise. I'm all for it.
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Re: U.S. Government Shutdown
« Reply #34 on: October 02, 2013, 09:39:52 pm »
UPDATE: The Republicans are apparently going to hold the debt ceiling hostage as well as the budget, which is pretty much the worst thing they could do right now. If I didn't know better (and I don't), I'd say they were trying to utterly destroy America. :o
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« Reply #35 on: October 02, 2013, 10:13:13 pm »
If I didn't know better (and I don't), I'd say they were trying to utterly destroy America. :o

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« Reply #36 on: October 02, 2013, 10:14:30 pm »
I have a plan.  We re-elect Abraham Lincoln, have George Washington for vice president, and have Theodore Roosevelt has secretary of defense.  If we can get these three back in power, i guarantee America can get back on the right track!

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Re: U.S. Government Shutdown
« Reply #37 on: October 02, 2013, 10:39:07 pm »
We should've had this guy for President instead. ;)


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« Reply #38 on: October 02, 2013, 11:53:45 pm »
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Re: U.S. Government Shutdown
« Reply #39 on: October 03, 2013, 12:34:52 am »
A history of government shutdowns.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Government_shutdown_in_the_United_States


I suppose it was a yearly thing back in the 70s and 80s. :D

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« Reply #40 on: October 03, 2013, 01:15:17 am »

Lol anarchy.  You act as if this happened:



Could it be possible that we have all been lied to and that is actually what happened?
Could it be possible?
What if it was true?

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Re: U.S. Government Shutdown
« Reply #41 on: October 05, 2013, 03:17:40 am »
forget about the government shutdown im in Yosemite national park! my dad rented a cabin before the shut down so we got in. take that government!  :goldlaugh:

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Re: U.S. Government Shutdown
« Reply #42 on: October 06, 2013, 01:44:44 am »
I have to join Mylo on this one...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MPMmC0UAnj0

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Seriously though, the U.S. is no better than other countries when it comes to political baloney. When are we going to wake up and recognize our petty fights are making us look arrogant and ignorant to the rest of the world? I guess the adage "united we stand, divided we fall" is lost on this country... x_x
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Re: U.S. Government Shutdown
« Reply #43 on: October 06, 2013, 03:26:54 pm »
I say we become dragon riders and either 1: fix the government or 2: over throw the government and have the dragon riders take over!
Who's with me?  8)

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Re: U.S. Government Shutdown
« Reply #44 on: October 07, 2013, 10:47:53 pm »
The government is still 83% funded. They've now got more security at the WW2 Veteran's Memorial than at Benghazi. They're paying cops to prevent tourists from photographing Mt. Rushmore. They tried closing some parks in WI, but the governor told them to get lost. At least furloughed gummint workers will get back-pay.

Obama's idea of negotiating is You gotta give up something, and I get what I want.
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Re: U.S. Government Shutdown
« Reply #45 on: October 07, 2013, 11:26:52 pm »
Obama's idea of negotiating is You gotta give up something, and I get what I want.
No, I'm pretty sure Obama's idea of negotiating is "What are you looking at me for? I'm the Chief Executive of the United States. Executive. Not legislative. I can't just unilaterally decide to change the law. Why do you think we even have a Congress in the first place? I can't help you fix this mess. Why would you even think I could? Didn't you learn about the separation of powers in school?"

Seriously, what does Boehner expect Obama to actually do?
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Re: U.S. Government Shutdown
« Reply #46 on: October 07, 2013, 11:43:18 pm »
David Frost: Are you really saying the President can do something illegal?
Richard Nixon: I'm saying that when the President does it, that means it's *not* illegal!
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Re: U.S. Government Shutdown
« Reply #47 on: October 08, 2013, 06:51:55 pm »
Obama's idea of negotiating is You gotta give up something, and I get what I want.
No, I'm pretty sure Obama's idea of negotiating is "What are you looking at me for? I'm the Chief Executive of the United States. Executive. Not legislative. I can't just unilaterally decide to change the law. Why do you think we even have a Congress in the first place? I can't help you fix this mess. Why would you even think I could? Didn't you learn about the separation of powers in school?"

Seriously, what does Boehner expect Obama to actually do?

I wish BO did. He's supposed to be a Constitutional Scholar.
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Re: U.S. Government Shutdown
« Reply #48 on: October 08, 2013, 07:47:35 pm »
Oh? I apologize for offering my opinion. I find your bit of humor there rather offensive.

And mylo, if no one runs the system, how long before it breaks down? If no one runs the government, how long before we begin  to cause chaos? It may take while, but still.

You do realize that there is still a police force and military, right? And they're both still getting paid. There isn't going to be anarchy anywhere. Just a lot of angry government workers and annoyed citizens. And we're already on week two and there's been nothing.
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Re: U.S. Government Shutdown
« Reply #49 on: October 11, 2013, 04:25:35 pm »
Obama's idea of negotiating is You gotta give up something, and I get what I want.
No, I'm pretty sure Obama's idea of negotiating is "What are you looking at me for? I'm the Chief Executive of the United States. Executive. Not legislative. I can't just unilaterally decide to change the law. Why do you think we even have a Congress in the first place? I can't help you fix this mess. Why would you even think I could? Didn't you learn about the separation of powers in school?"

Seriously, what does Boehner expect Obama to actually do?

I wish BO did. He's supposed to be a Constitutional Scholar.

I think because it looks bad for the POTUS to lecture the Congress about a document they're all supposed to be able to quote verbatim at will.  After all, it's what all legislation is based on, right?  He is legally barred from doing more than call meetings and talk unless Congress violates the article 4 of the 14th at which point he has a dubious Constitutional mandate to act of his own volition.  The money flow currently is controlled by an arcane set of rules in Congress and so again the POTUS is legally bound to carry out the law as Congress wills it.  The memorial mumbo-jumbo was a stunt on the part of House members to make themselves look better and I'm surprised that the Capitol Police (presently working without pay) didn't arrest them for incitement to criminal action.  Let the vets through and arrest the Congressmen, that is.  I commend the Capitol Police on their patience and loyalty.

As a matter of fact, the Democrats DID give the Republicans something.  The sequester.  Those cuts are continuing into the new FY.  Despite all these shenanigans, the Ds haven't told the Rs to stuff it and took that back.  This is also despite the fact that Boehner promised Reid he'd pass a clean CR in MAY.  This was before the TP proved they could unseat the Speaker any time they wanted and threatened to primary any R in the House who opposed them.  The CR has yet to even be introduced because of this and would likely fail in an open ballot but pass in secret. 

Presently the carryover funds are drying up fast and if the debt limit isn't raised on the 17th, things will grow even worse.  However, that's when the POTUS is given far more power.  Without sufficient funds to pay every debt on time, he is granted authority to pick which ones get paid.  My guess is he'll start by turning off the heating in the Capitol building and cancel their health plans, free gym and the tram from their office to the Capitol. 
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