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Want that drink Super-sized? Sorry, it's banned!
« on: September 13, 2012, 02:34:25 pm »
Are you kidding me? Is this for real?  :o   :o   :o
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/09/13/us-usa-sugarban-newyork-idUSBRE88C0Y220120913
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Mayor Michael Bloomberg wants a ban on super sized sugary drinks larger than 16 oz. throughout New York in a fight against obesity. Who the damn hell does he think he is? Where does he get off telling people what we can eat and drink and put in our bodies?  :goldpissed: This is just another step in our personal freedoms being taken away from us and living in a so called "nanny state".  :P

If Bloomberg or others have a gripe against oversized drinks or other stuff that is making people obese, then don't take it out on the people. Go directly to the manufacturers of the foods and beverages!

IMO, I'll eat and drink whatever I want. It's my choice and my body. And whether it's good or bad, I am the only one that has to deal with the consequences.

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Re: Want that drink Super-sized? Sorry, it's banned!
« Reply #1 on: September 13, 2012, 03:22:17 pm »
Honestly, that's a great idea, to limit soft drink size. If I had my way, soft drinks wouldn't exist at all. Horrid things, the lot.
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Re: Want that drink Super-sized? Sorry, it's banned!
« Reply #2 on: September 13, 2012, 03:51:51 pm »
Kobuk, Got to love the our NY state rulings on the most odd full things ever. :P

As you stated, It would be up to the people to make choices on what to they want to put into their bodies. In way they can fight it because small part of it can in conflict to the U.S 1st amendment, on the choice of freedom of choice what to eat and drink.

I don't mind drinking soft drinks. I like drinking Pepsi Max and Coke Zero, however I don't drink a lot of it.  As Kobuk stated; people make choices will be of consequences for ill or worse, if they chose to drink large amounts of sugary drinks on a over frequent basis.

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« Reply #3 on: September 13, 2012, 04:13:56 pm »
On a side note, I think this man epitomizes the Texas way of thinking.


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« Reply #4 on: September 13, 2012, 04:20:33 pm »
On a side note, I think this man epitomizes the Texas way of thinking.




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« Reply #5 on: September 13, 2012, 04:38:16 pm »
This is ridiculous. People blame food and drinks too often for obesity. People are fat because they dont want to be skinny. Plain and simple. There are a few that legitimately have this "thyroid problem" causing them to be larger than normal, but even those people sometimes keep their weight in check. A lot of people develop a thyroid problem because they are too big.

In my opinion, keep the drinks how they are. Keep the food how it is. If you want, you have the right to eat until your pants dont fit. But dont blame anyone but yourself when you fall into the obese group. We shouldnt have to ban fattening things just to get people to be thinner.
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Re: Want that drink Super-sized? Sorry, it's banned!
« Reply #6 on: September 13, 2012, 05:18:38 pm »
Watch your arguements, you all sound like you're talking about drugs "My body, I do what I want!" crap


Anyways, to place this kind of ban is silly. To think chancing the package size of unhealthy foods would prevent people from consuming as much they want, is absolute fail, especialy considering the many places offer free re-fills or 50 cent re-fills

 

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« Reply #7 on: September 13, 2012, 05:25:32 pm »
I’ve heard talk about this before, so it was known that this was coming.
But this is really just the tip of the iceberg, as there are countless other strange control issues going on in New York, and throughout the U.S.

And in case no one else noticed, this does not cover diet drinks, so we can all still get our daily dose of aspartame.
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« Reply #8 on: September 13, 2012, 05:28:12 pm »
How dare these people do such a thing? Wait.....I have not had any soda for some time know.....Does this still affect sparkling water? If it does, all mah rage are belong to this man!!  :goldpissed:
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« Reply #9 on: September 13, 2012, 06:16:04 pm »
I don't know, is this such a bad thing? There is the freedom to choose what you consume but there is also corporate responsibility not to sell products that will cause serious health issues. Fast food chains have recommended intakes of their food but the way they market it encourages people to consume a lot more than the recommended intakes. I see this ban as an attempt to counter act that, although they will need to do a lot more to the fast food companies themselves if they actually want to achieve anything.

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« Reply #10 on: September 13, 2012, 10:34:23 pm »
I don't know, is this such a bad thing? There is the freedom to choose what you consume but there is also corporate responsibility not to sell products that will cause serious health issues. Fast food chains have recommended intakes of their food but the way they market it encourages people to consume a lot more than the recommended intakes. I see this ban as an attempt to counter act that, although they will need to do a lot more to the fast food companies themselves if they actually want to achieve anything.

Is it a bad thing? I don't think so. Then again it doesn't mean much unless it limits or removes refills, too. I have no doubt that if all the pop that is consumed in this country were replaced by water, juice, or milk, there would be a marked improvement in overall health.

HOWEVER, I don't agree that the government should have the slightest bit of say in what people consume. At the very most, perhaps create an 'excess tax' that applies to prepared foods in very large quantities. 3-5 cents or so extra straight to the government if you go for up-sizing a meal. And while I see this as a more reasonable approach, I still don't think it should be done.

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« Reply #11 on: September 14, 2012, 12:13:09 am »
Prohibition didn't work with hard drink, why would anyone think it would work with soft drink?
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Re: Want that drink Super-sized? Sorry, it's banned!
« Reply #12 on: September 14, 2012, 04:11:00 am »
Oh god, why can't I find that clip of Jon Stewart pointing out all the other ridiculously unhealthy stuff you can stuff your face with that nobody apparently cares about?

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« Reply #13 on: September 14, 2012, 07:48:58 am »
While we're at it, set a ban on the internet, video games, ALL drugs (which includes caffeinated beverages, namely coffee), candy, ANYTHING with sugar, and not exercising. Let's see how long it lasts...
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« Reply #14 on: September 14, 2012, 10:45:23 am »
If you want to pass a law making soft drinks healthier, it's gonna have to be harder to get around than replacing one large container with two smaller ones. Honestly, sometimes people come up with stuff that makes me wonder how they survive day to day life.
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« Reply #15 on: September 14, 2012, 07:13:50 pm »
While we're at it, set a ban on the internet, video games, ALL drugs (which includes caffeinated beverages, namely coffee), candy, ANYTHING with sugar, and not exercising. Let's see how long it lasts...

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« Reply #16 on: September 16, 2012, 01:43:41 am »
Bluhhh.

And for us with completely broken metabolisms burning sugars indiscriminately as fast as they are absorbed into the blood that result in nearly chronic hypoglycemia... XP

Stuff like this wasn't going to work anyways.
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Re: Want that drink Super-sized? Sorry, it's banned!
« Reply #17 on: September 22, 2012, 06:59:29 am »
*gulps down a 24 oz. bottle of Mountain Dew*

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At any rate, I think you've got exactly right Kobuk.



HOWEVER, I don't agree that the government should have the slightest bit of say in what people consume. At the very most, perhaps create an 'excess tax' that applies to prepared foods in very large quantities. 3-5 cents or so extra straight to the government if you go for up-sizing a meal. And while I see this as a more reasonable approach, I still don't think it should be done.

And where would that end,  exactly?  A huge amount of people seem to think drinking whole milk one a regular basis of all things is bad for you.  As someone who's 65 pounds underweight and desperately trying to avoid losing any more,  it'd be rather inconvenient if i had to start paying even more on top of my massive food budget due to penalty taxes,  and rather unfair that the reason i would have to is because of other people's lack of self control.    x_x

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« Reply #18 on: September 22, 2012, 04:16:48 pm »
This is ridiculous. People blame food and drinks too often for obesity. People are fat because they dont want to be skinny. Plain and simple. There are a few that legitimately have this "thyroid problem" causing them to be larger than normal, but even those people sometimes keep their weight in check.

Taking synthetic thyroid hormone gets rid of the symptoms, and doctors monitor the levels of hormone...

They are still missing the boat.  People have gotten more obese but they are stuck on this idea that it's food and drinks, as if that stuff has gotten any worse.

The problem is people are moving less.

People got lazier when they got cars and now they don't even need to drive and walk around the mall; you can just shop online.

That's what has changed the most and I think that's why obesity is increasing so drastically.

After all, I know *so many* people who lost a lot of weight after moving to the city, just because they are walking around all the time.

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« Reply #19 on: September 24, 2012, 06:40:34 pm »
They are still missing the boat.  People have gotten more obese but they are stuck on this idea that it's food and drinks, as if that stuff has gotten any worse.

The problem is people are moving less.

People got lazier when they got cars and now they don't even need to drive and walk around the mall; you can just shop online.

That's what has changed the most and I think that's why obesity is increasing so drastically.

After all, I know *so many* people who lost a lot of weight after moving to the city, just because they are walking around all the time.

There is so much truth to this. Ever see Wall-E? I think it exemplifies this better than any words I could possibly type.

HOWEVER, I don't agree that the government should have the slightest bit of say in what people consume. At the very most, perhaps create an 'excess tax' that applies to prepared foods in very large quantities. 3-5 cents or so extra straight to the government if you go for up-sizing a meal. And while I see this as a more reasonable approach, I still don't think it should be done.

And where would that end,  exactly?  A huge amount of people seem to think drinking whole milk one a regular basis of all things is bad for you.  As someone who's 65 pounds underweight and desperately trying to avoid losing any more,  it'd be rather inconvenient if i had to start paying even more on top of my massive food budget due to penalty taxes,  and rather unfair that the reason i would have to is because of other people's lack of self control.    x_x

The government already specifically calls out tobacco and alcohol with their own specific sales taxes. These are typically determined at the state level. Add a sales tax to soft drinks/pop/soda/whateveryoucallitwhereyouare. The foundation to do it is pretty much already there.

The whole initiative isn't entirely about weight, either. High junk food intake impacts many areas of your overall health.

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« Reply #20 on: September 25, 2012, 07:17:15 pm »
Putting a "snack tax" or a "supersize tax" on sodas and junk food isn't the answer. People are being taxed to death.  :P

What IS the answer is going straight to the source of the problem and telling the food manufacturers and all these fast food franchises to "clean up their act" so to speak and start coming out with more healthier items and/or discontinuing items that are fatty, sugary, etc.  Penalise the junk food makers, not the people who consume the junk food.  >:(
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« Reply #21 on: September 25, 2012, 09:00:41 pm »
Putting a "snack tax" or a "supersize tax" on sodas and junk food isn't the answer. People are being taxed to death.  :P

What IS the answer is going straight to the source of the problem and telling the food manufacturers and all these fast food franchises to "clean up their act" so to speak and start coming out with more healthier items and/or discontinuing items that are fatty, sugary, etc.  Penalise the junk food makers, not the people who consume the junk food.  >:(


You can bet that if people had to pay an extra 5 cents for a soft drink at fast-food places, the vast majority wouldn't think twice about the price change. Which does beg the question of why bother doing it at all.

But forcing the companies to produce healthier options isn't the answer. The most it can do is offer incentives for companies who comply. However, unless you replaced all those soft drinks with water, the premium for getting healthier drinks is more than the small soft drink tax could be. Juice or Milk portion sizes at fast food places are smaller, have no refills, and are generally at best the same price as the soft drinks.

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« Reply #22 on: September 26, 2012, 09:54:48 pm »
Hey, Mr. Bloomberg! Let's see you ban this! You can have my Mountain Dew when you pry it from my cold dead paws! :goldbloody:


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« Reply #23 on: September 26, 2012, 11:02:14 pm »
Hey, Mr. Bloomberg! Let's see you ban this! You can have my Mountain Dew when you pry it from my cold dead paws! :goldbloody:

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« Reply #24 on: September 27, 2012, 11:23:13 pm »
The government already specifically calls out tobacco and alcohol with their own specific sales taxes. These are typically determined at the state level. Add a sales tax to soft drinks/pop/soda/whateveryoucallitwhereyouare. The foundation to do it is pretty much already there.

The whole initiative isn't entirely about weight, either. High junk food intake impacts many areas of your overall health.

You're sticking to only the obvious conclusions here,  though.  I'm talking about gray areas.  Whole milk isn't allowed to be sold in schools any-more,  for example,  because it might have an effect on weight.  In fact,  with all the low fat food choices and the total lack of carbs,  If i had had to go to public school during my late teens and been forced to buy food from the cafeteria like many schools are doing now i would have been in serious trouble health-wise.


Secondly,  this philosophy of raising taxes implies two things that i'm really not even slightly okay with.

1.  That you can use a tax to modify behavior you don't agree with (the original purpose of a tax was outlined clearly to be only for need)

2.  That my body doesn't belong to me,  and it's the business of someone in the government what I eat or drink.


Furthermore,  once you say that you can tax one kind of product but not another,  you'll have companies lining up their lobbyists to get their competitors taxed and themselves exempt.  It's crony corporatism at it's finest.