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« on: July 14, 2005, 01:49:26 pm »
Well, I just wanted to state that maybe someone ought to write up the rules as to what constitutes being a G, PG, or Adult rated piece. I see a lot of people posting art in the adult forums that could just as well be posted in the regular art forums where the whole of us could share it.

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1) Aren't sexually suggestive or meant to be
2) Don't contain any presence or suggestion of genitalia
3) Aren't violent to any degree, let alone a graphic level
4) Don't deal with drug use, abuse, abortion, or any other mature or contraversial theme
5) And pretty much could in no way be seen as anything unfit for all eyes.

I personally don't feel that a character's lack of clothes constitutes for a pic being of adult nature, given the above example. Yet this is the main reason those furs end up feeling they should post their art in that section. Artists like, Mazz and Old Rabbit for two quick examples, do clean, wholesome work with characters who do not wear clothes. Two recent examples, here and here, show what I mean.

Not that the artists don't have the right and obligation to be safe by posting their art where they feel it should go just to be safe, but I think that they and artists like them could benefit from a clearer definition of the rules concerning the image's defining content posted in their respective forums.

Hopefully, that didn't come out as confusing as it was to write this e.e
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« Reply #1 on: July 14, 2005, 02:53:20 pm »
This is a link to that picture of mine in the PG section. For those that can't access the adult forums and want to see what you are talking about.  The more I think about it, I think you're absolutely right that it didn't belong in the adult section.

I woulda posted such a link for the other example, but I don't think he's posted it in the PG section yet. Though I agree with you that there is nothing about it that should make it go in the adult section. Even less so than mine.

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« Reply #2 on: July 14, 2005, 03:12:39 pm »
Yeah. Mostly the only reason I hadn't posted the link to the picture directly was because I wasn't sure it had been approved or knew you posted it in General, and the decisionmakers all have the clearance to view and make the decision whether it is proper for all audiences. But yeah, thanks for the supporting of the cause and posting the general section link here  '<img'>  

Mostly, like you felt about the Adult Discussion VS. Non-Adult Discussion, I think that things that don't absolutely have to be in the adult section should be shared with everyone.

P.S. I hope I didn't call anyone out in a way that doesn't agree with them, or misrepresent them. Was a little hasty in the realization the point needed to really overthink myself >.< Sorry to any
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« Reply #3 on: July 15, 2005, 12:18:24 pm »
Quote (Tabuu @ July 14 2005, 12:12 pm)
Mostly, like you felt about the Adult Discussion VS. Non-Adult Discussion, I think that things that don't absolutely have to be in the adult section should be shared with everyone.


Yes, I'm not sure why I was thinking of the artwork section differently. I guess it's because they already had an adult artwork section. But really it shouldn't be treated any different.

I think the an important thing to remember is that many adults choose to leave the adult filter on. It's not just about “protecting the kids”. So as a general rule of thumb, you can think of it as if the picture is one that most of those that choose to leave the filter on would want filtered out, then it should be in the adult section. But if not it should go in the PG section so all can see it.

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« Reply #4 on: July 15, 2005, 11:08:25 pm »
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I think the an important thing to remember is that many adults choose to leave the adult filter on. It's not just about “protecting the kids”. So as a general rule of thumb, you can think of it as if the picture is one that most of those that choose to leave the filter on would want filtered out, then it should be in the adult section. But if not it should go in the PG section so all can see it.

Yeah, that is a good point.

I don't know if non-adults are allowed to turn off the adult filter by agreeing that the site owner(s) is not liable for their actions or the content they might see or not, though. But in the mixed company that the forums are, you (as the webmaster) would have to presume that the most sensitive audience you would have to screen for is minors. That's the only sure way to protect yourself legally, if the site isn't stamped with a disclaimer on the outside.

Of course, nothing thus far has treaded the fine line between what is publicly decent and censor worthy in our artwork, and all of us seem to agree with the same general standards. But you can't predict what type of people might come along and find something to skewer you with, so I would say it would be best again to err on the side of caution rather than leave room to be legally liable.

Side note: Man, it sounds like I'm leaning toward overcensorship; sounds like the gripes some of the big sites like DA and SA have to had gone through e.e Ignore my post if it is so. I'm mostly rambling fresh off another thread about adult rated art and webmasters protecting themselves.

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« Reply #5 on: July 16, 2005, 06:21:29 am »
What l do if l'm unsure about a piece of art is l put a warning on the link stating blood or partal nudity and write a pg13 link in that way it is still in the general forum but is covered by legality
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« Reply #6 on: July 16, 2005, 06:42:05 am »
We have folks posting "G" stuff in adult, seemingly scared of posting it elsewhere.

We need spelled out rules or rules of thumb, above and beyond what's in the general guidelines. There's been IMO, BS decisions made recently and we need consistency.





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« Reply #7 on: August 05, 2005, 11:09:23 pm »
I wonder if the admins have looked this over? O.o
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« Reply #8 on: August 06, 2005, 03:23:51 pm »
Here is some perspective from a mod, and a fellow artist.

As well as the content of the picture itself (what you see), you also have to take into consideration what the picture means. What does your audience percieve?

To use Vararam's picture, for example (sorry Vararam) I see an intimate embrace. I could see this as being something about PG-13, while the content itself doesn't show anything, there is some sexual innuendo.

For posting PG art, keep this in mind. Is this something you (consciously, as an adult) would show a 12 year old of no relation to you?

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These pics
1) Aren't sexually suggestive or meant to be
2) Don't contain any presence or suggestion of genitalia
3) Aren't violent to any degree, let alone a graphic level
4) Don't deal with drug use, abuse, abortion, or any other mature or contraversial theme
5) And pretty much could in no way be seen as anything unfit for all eyes.


I think this is a good guideline for PG posting.

Opinions from any other mods?
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« Reply #9 on: August 06, 2005, 06:31:39 pm »
Ah yeah, I forgot visible explicit language x.x Thanks for the support, Peaches '<img'>
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« Reply #10 on: August 06, 2005, 10:42:46 pm »
I also like Tabuu's set of guidelines. The mod team has been pulled many different ways recently. We'll talk about these and try to reach a clear consensus and get guidelines posted as soon as we can. Tabuu's set outlined here will at least provide a good starting point. Thanks!

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« Reply #11 on: August 06, 2005, 10:54:12 pm »
Woohoo ^_^ that's very good to hear. Thank you, Kai, as well as everyone else for helping the issue get to light. I know i'm not the only one who has had trouble knowing what things are acceptable for general audience, what can be posted in general with accompanying  content warning, and what needs to be strictly left posted in adults only.
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« Reply #12 on: August 23, 2005, 06:05:57 am »
There was a  LONG and in depth discussion over this issue.  After working on the draft a week and taking in suggestions the staff/mods have voted on the following: http://cgi.furtopia.org/cgi-bin....360&st=

This rule set is posted in both the adult and non adult art areas.

I think these rules are responsible and still protect posting freedoms.  As you can see art, stories, poetry as forms of art are given a little more freedom than say general conversation before being deemed mature topics.  

Also the adult filter is now fully automated.  There is no longer any waiting period to make a change.

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« Reply #13 on: August 23, 2005, 06:34:57 am »
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There was a  LONG and in depth discussion over this issue.  After working on the draft a week and taking in suggestions the staff/mods have voted on the following: http://cgi.furtopia.org/cgi-bin....360&st=

This rule set is posted in both the adult and non adult art areas.

I think these rules are responsible and still protect posting freedoms.  As you can see art, stories, poetry as forms of art are given a little more freedom than say general conversation before being deemed mature topics.  

Also the adult filter is now fully automated.  There is no longer any waiting period to make a change.

Thoughts/opinions?

  WhiteShepherd

Personally, I find them quite fair and a good guide for us towards being able to censor ourselves. As I have always felt, subtitle warnings are always appropriate for anything that falls under question, as well as the judging of the content by more than one moderator. I'm glad those two points were assessed.

Everything seems to have much thought into it, and I applaud you guys for putting in the time to come up with these guidelines for us. Hopefully there will be room to amend the rules accordingly to any new situations, as well as a small bit of sharpening of the order and wording.

I think a lot of users could also benefit well from more examples. Maybe some relevant and illustrative "for instances" based on things that have happened with users in the past. Not anything picking on any certain user, but things that commonly are a problem.

Great news about the adult filter too ^_^
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