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« on: February 26, 2003, 05:05:06 pm »
Hiya! Welcome to my discussion board.

I figured it would be good to have a spot where folks can chat and I might even post updates for my artwork here. So, since this is a public forum, please keep the chatter to a PG-13 rating and if you want to post a URL that leads to more mature content then please take it to the Adult Forums elsewhere on this site. '<img'>

If anyone wants to get a hold of me then feel free to Email me or leave me a message through the forum's PM service.

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« Reply #1 on: February 27, 2003, 12:10:34 am »
Cool!  Look forward to the art updates. '<img'>

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« Reply #2 on: February 27, 2003, 08:26:56 am »
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Same here.  I look forward to seeing more from you.

Oh, and thanks big for all of your suggestions.  You have an excellent eye for good art.

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« Reply #3 on: February 27, 2003, 06:50:20 pm »
Ok, well here's a peek at an upcoming colored piece.

Sea Dragon

I've been up late hours these past couple of weeks so I've had some more time to myself to get back into what inspires me. I've been drawing commissions and other furs' ideas for so long now (not to say I don't love doing that) that it's nice to take it back to what I love to draw... dragons.  '<img'>

I just finished this one last night and it's ready for transfer. Now I'm just wondering what to do with it. Try something new and go for an all pencil crayon on bristol board? Or my familiar method - watercolor canvas with paint and pencils on top like I did with my last dragon?

I'm leaning towards my old method just so I can give the picture it's best chance at becoming really beautiful. Any suggestions?




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« Reply #4 on: February 28, 2003, 07:53:53 pm »
You can always do what I do though it is a royal pain. I resketch my original sketch and then color it. If I don't like it I resketch it again and recolor that one.

Or, make a real light fine lined print of your sketch and color that with the 'new' method and if you don't like how it turns out, color your normal familiar way.

Last night I was working on a pic for my grandson. It has 3 orangutans in it. I colored the big one with markers/pencil/chalk and didn't like the way it looked so on the next smallest one I did the chalk/pencils. I like that one a little bit better but really don't like any of it. I want the hairs/fur to really show. More practice.

But, back to the subject at hand, try first printing out a fine lined print of your sketch and going from there. Otherwise, go with what you already know works and works well!

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« Reply #5 on: February 28, 2003, 10:09:56 pm »
Thanks for the suggestions, Kada. I have made it a habbit over the past year to never color the original sketch. Copying it over to the right medium is the only way to go. That way, if something happens to the colored piece, I can start over from the original.
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Once, my son got a hold of my half-finished painting and colored crayon all over it. I was just furious. But thankfully, I was able to start all over because I preserved the first draft.
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I found a scrap of old bristol and traced part of the dragon onto it so I can experiment with the pencil crayons. If I like how it turns out, I'll give the whole thing a go.
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« Reply #6 on: March 05, 2003, 08:33:50 am »
And here is a test of the pencil crayons:

Sea Dragon take 1

I'm really liking the result so far. I'm off  to buy a blending tool to smooth it out today and then I'll give the whole thing a shot. I like how the pencil gives me more detail than the paint brush ever has.  '<img'>




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« Reply #7 on: March 05, 2003, 02:00:51 pm »
That's an interesting interpretation of a sea-Dragon you've done there.  It's body is Draconic looking, but with fish-like fins (those things on it's back), and the webbed hand and feet.  It's left-arm reaching towards the viewer seems to be flat, and gives me the impression if it touching glass - as if it wer confined.  Is this the look you were going for, or am I viewing it wrong?  If I can make a suggestion - shorten the Dragon's neck.  In proportion to the rest of it's body, I feel it is a little long, even for a water-type Dragon.  It's wouldn't be too bad if it was based on an Eastern type, as the have long necks, but this Dragon isn't - the body is too big for that (Easterns are very thin) and the back limbs are more of a Western style.  I like the colours you chose for when you re-did the head of the Dragon - I think they fit well with the aquatic image.

One more thing I'd like to add - when I tried drawing a while ago, if I made a basic sketch I liked, but didn't want to add any detail or colour to it from fear of ruining it, I'd scan in the sketch, and print off a few copies of it.  That way I could have as many shots at it that I wanted.  Just thought I'd put that forward.
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« Reply #8 on: March 05, 2003, 05:45:59 pm »
Thanks for the feedback, Drakonian. I didn't intend for it to seem like it's touching glass or confnied, but that's an interesting take on it. I have seen a couple of other sea dragons draw before and liked the idea of fish fins instead of wings so I stole it, hehe. I was thinking about coloring it more brilliantly, like a clown fish or other exotic coral reef dwellers, but settled for the muter greens when my tests showed how well they blended together.

As for the body type, I was going for a mix of a few things, eastern, western, and a smattering of otter. I went through a phase of drawing only western dragons, then did only eastern for a while, and eventually I found a nice in-between style. I like the sleekness of the eastern breed but I prefer the tone and musculature of the western. So I combined them in some of my art. The one thing I love best about drawing dragons is, there are no rules! heehee  ':p'  At least not as much as there are when drawing people or still life. '<img'>
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« Reply #9 on: March 06, 2003, 12:48:30 pm »
Very true - there are no set rules when drawing Dragons, because there are so many different types, and also no-one can definitly prove how Dragons looked.  So like with your picture there, you used both an Eastern and Western type Dragon combined, but then also made it aqatic looking.  As for the colours, I think I prefer what you've done with it now than to what you said you were thinking of doing, with bright colours and all.  Again, good work.
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« Reply #10 on: March 06, 2003, 10:41:24 pm »
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And here is a test of the pencil crayons:


I really like how the eye is turning out! So bluish-shiny!
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« Reply #11 on: March 06, 2003, 10:46:47 pm »
I don't know anything about Easter/Western dragons. I think it is very good and I love the water any way! So, a dragon (of any type) is fine with me when enjoying itself under water! (giggles)
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« Reply #12 on: March 07, 2003, 12:04:08 pm »
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I don't know anything about Easter/Western dragons. I think it is very good and I love the water any way! So, a dragon (of any type) is fine with me when enjoying itself under water! (giggles)

Easter Dragons?  Well, they're Dragons that give chocolate eggs to all the little Dragons that have been well once a year.  If you meant Eastern Dragons, then basically think of a typical Chinese Dragon - a very snake-like body, the head not very reptile-looking, and often quite long.  Though, obviously this is a HUGE generalisation, and there are many Eastern Dragons that do look quite reptian, or are not very long.  This is an example of a typical Eastern Dragon:

A typical Western Dragon is again, very hard to desribe as there are many different types, like Wyrms, Wyverns, as well as those that do not specifically fit into one group.  Here's an example of a western-type Dragon:

If you notice, in that picture, the Dragon has no wings, whereas some westerns do.  Also, it has four limbs, where many have only two.  I could go on to body structure, and all that, but there is no end to what could be said.  A whole book could be written (and some have been written) purely on the different types of Dragons there are.  So to try and summarise it all in one post here is very hard.  I hope you have an idea of it now.
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« Reply #13 on: March 07, 2003, 02:19:21 pm »
Yes, thanks, DrakonianDanceR! I love the pics too. They help with visualization.

I have only drawn three dragons in my life and none of them look like those! (giggles)

I can't wait to see your full colored version of your sketch, Sumarra!  '<img'>
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« Reply #14 on: March 07, 2003, 03:06:01 pm »
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Yes, thanks, DrakonianDanceR! I love the pics too. They help with visualization.

I have only drawn three dragons in my life and none of them look like those! (giggles)

It doesn't suprise me that your Dragons didn't look like the two examples I gave, because as I said before, there are so many different types.  Though, I'm interested in seeing how you draw Dragons; I'd really like that.
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« Reply #15 on: March 07, 2003, 08:57:38 pm »
Thanks for  pointing out the basic differences in the two most common styles of dragons, Draconian. You covered most of the significant points, and I really like that chinese dragon pic you posted.

Kada, do you have your dragon drawings posted somewhere?

I am currently working on the fill sized copy and Whew! Using a blender is a lot of work! This one is definately going to hit the 10 hour mark before it's done, I'm sure.  '<img'>  I can't wait! heehee!
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« Reply #16 on: March 07, 2003, 10:07:51 pm »
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Though, I'm interested in seeing how you draw Dragons; I'd really like that.


DrakonianDanceR, I will post the links on my forum for you since this one is Sumarra's. (giggles) Oh, one is on the main page of http://www.dragoncity.net

Since Sumarra asked.... (giggles) no, I will still post them to my forum so we keep your stuff here, ok? (giggles)

I also have one that is an adult though if you want that one I will email you the link or you can look at my adult website. I think it is the last one on the page. Yes, just checked, it is the last pic on the page. I'll post the link on my forum for you guys for the other dragon. The VERY first one I did and I hate it! It turned out horribly. '<img'>
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« Reply #17 on: March 08, 2003, 04:57:01 am »
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DrakonianDanceR, I will post the links on my forum for you since this one is Sumarra's. (giggles) Oh, one is on the main page of http://www.dragoncity.net

Since Sumarra asked.... (giggles) no, I will still post them to my forum so we keep your stuff here, ok? (giggles)

I also have one that is an adult though if you want that one I will email you the link or you can look at my adult website. I think it is the last one on the page. Yes, just checked, it is the last pic on the page. I'll post the link on my forum for you guys for the other dragon. The VERY first one I did and I hate it! It turned out horribly. '<img'>

I'm sorry, Sumarra.  You see, I don't know where each active thread is on the forums, as I only use the "New Posts" button at the top.  Sorry about that.  Kada, I'll look at the links in a moment, when I find the post, thanks.
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« Reply #18 on: March 09, 2003, 03:08:32 pm »
No problem, DrakonianDanceR.

Sumarra, I have to really thank you for that photo link! I have probably downloaded a couple hundred pics since I started looking at it! Of course, they aren't the 800x600 background pics that I get from webshots.com but I can still use them for references. I found a couple kangaroos that I would love to try my hand at from that website. When I get them sketched I will be more than happy to let you know.

Are you going to be creating any more dragons after you color your sketch? I would love to see more from you!

I have a question... may seem strange but I am curious. I went to look at your adult section to see your new pieces and you have all the naughty-bits blurred. Is there any particular reason for this?
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« Reply #19 on: March 10, 2003, 10:49:06 am »
Kada, feel free to post your links here. I don't mind other artwork shown off in my forum at all.  ':p'  I like viewing your stuff, after all, and it keeps the topics more logical rather than saying, 'and here's a link that was requested over in that conversation over there...', heehee!

I'm really glad you like imagebank.com, I find it a huge and wonderful resource that I use often.  '<img'>

I don't know when I'll be drawing a dragon next, but I will most likely be doing a real-life portrait of two dogs. I've just started negotiating a commission for a woman's Shitzu and Malamute-husky cross. They are adorable dogs and I can't wait to work on it. <happy dance>

And as for my website, I have seen a few other websites use blurring before and it made sense to me. One, because I sell the prints I figure it might spark enough curiosity in viewers to buy them just so they can get the unblurred version, hehe. Two, because you know it's just as easy for under-aged kids to click 'continue' on the warning page. And three, you never know who is linking directly to your website and posting those pics without the warning page.
I have also seen a lot of collectors simply print out the jpegs on their home printers and come out with semi-decent copies. So I'm hoping this will encourage folks to buy more prints since they're honestly not that expensive (around $15 USD after average shipping costs).

Thanks for asking! '<img'>
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« Reply #20 on: March 10, 2003, 12:32:26 pm »
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Kada, feel free to post your links here. I don't mind other artwork shown off in my forum at all.  ':p'  I like viewing your stuff, after all, and it keeps the topics more logical rather than saying, 'and here's a link that was requested over in that conversation over there...', heehee!


Thanks. (giggles) That is quite understandable. I will remember that.

I will also be using that imagebank.com a lot too now.

Are you going to be posting your finished commission work of the two dogs on your website? (please, please, please)

Thank you for the info on your blurring. I thought about the second reason but hadn't thought really about the other 2. Usually if I am worried about someone printing out a copy of my works, I scan them in for the web at a very low res and then make sure that when someone tries to enlarge it, it won't look right. I don't know if that works or not.  '<img'>

I know I do keep copies of other artists works on my computer for references but never even thought about printing them out! But, that is me. I figure if I want a pic from another artist that I want to hang on a wall, I will buy the original, if available, or purchase a print. I think of it the same way I think about graveyards. (I know, freaky thought!'<img'> I always have troubles going to a funeral because I don't want to be walking on/around someone's resting place. For me, it just doesn't feel right and gives me the willies! I feel the same way about printing someone elses' hard work. It just doesn't feel right. I guess by doing such they will know and will haunt me for ever! (giggles)

Ok, enough of the dreary/spooky thoughts! Another type of creation I want to try my hand at is the fantasy type art. I don't know how to explain it. Heather Bruton has two websites. One is her furry artwork and the other is her fantasy art. I'm still not sure of the difference but I think about the little fairies twitting around something etc. I am still learning that I can draw whatever comes into my head but after so many years of drawing normal stuff, it is a hard habit to break!
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« Reply #21 on: March 10, 2003, 01:16:27 pm »
I will definately be posting the finished piece on my site. I doubt I'll be selling any prints, though, since it's such a personal commission.

And I know what you mean about being haunted, and I'm glad there are folks out there that do because in my mind I feel the same. If you want the art, support the artist and buy it.  '<img'>

I love Heather's work! At Conifur 2001 I bought a print of Cuddle and Firebird  ':cool:'

I would love to see you expand into fantasy, Kada. I think Faeries would be a good start if you're used to more normal stuff since they are most commonly drawn as humans with gossamer wings (like a dragon fly or even a butterfly). I always picture them near slow moving water, like a brook or small pond. These are another creature where there are no real rules regarding how they are drawn. Very fun wot work with.
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« Reply #22 on: March 10, 2003, 01:22:33 pm »
I've just had a look at Heather's site, and I'm really impressed with her artwork.  Being a fan of Fantasy art, a lot of it did appeal to me.  Like you said, Sumarra, there are less constraints when drawing fantasy art, as creatures can be how you want them to be.  Now, it'd be too predicatble if I talked about Dragons now, so instead I'll mention Gryphons (or Griffons, or Griffins, depending on your slepping).  These are fantastic creatures; a mix of a lion and an eagle primarilly, although there are a lot of variations.  And so this means that it should be fairly open to interpretation when drawing them.
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« Reply #23 on: March 10, 2003, 01:38:03 pm »
@ Sumarra

I fell in love with Heather's stuff way before I even heard of Rog! I want to be like BOTH of them!  '<img'>  '<img'>  '<img'>

So, what is the difference or is there really any difference?

@ DrakonianDanceR

Your post came in while was making this post!  '<img'>

Oh, Heather has created pieces of art on mailboxes, bathroom walls etc.! All on her website. That is how I got to talking to her about her art.

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Offline Sumarra

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« Reply #24 on: March 11, 2003, 03:33:27 am »
Ahh gryphons... another of my most favorite creatures, and fun to draw! But frustrating for me since I've had very little practice with them. This one is the only one I have posted... the only one I think I have drawn I think. And it's back when I'd just started drawing furry style so there's quite a few things about it that I would correct if I were to rework it today.

My favorite combination is Peregrin Falcon and either panther or a spotty snow leopard. 'Up sidedown' is one of my favorites done by Sidian. I'm not sure what cross she used but it's just adorable!
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