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Is technology moving backwards?
« on: April 15, 2011, 02:40:51 pm »
I've been noticing a trend lately it seems. Any time something is "upgraded/updated", the program is worse than it was before. I know some things can be subjective, but I'm trying to be as objective as I can and in some cases, it's backed up by hundreds of bad reviews even on the subjective stuff. Most of this refers to online and app based programs like browser games, Andriod apps, and (most recently) Yahoo's requirement to use Mail Beta instead of classic. Just to give a quick run down of some of the stuff I've seen:

Apps become sluggish/unresponsive
Apps crash more often
Interfaces are not as user friendly (one of the subjective ones where it seems nobody likes the new version)

I've started only doing manual updates to my Android apps so I can read the latest reviews to see how bad the update made the app before it screws it up on my phone. For the new Yahoo Mail Beta (seems odd to still call it a beta when it's being forced on everyone, no?), they advertise it's quicker and more user friendly. It's been the exact opposite for me:

Very sluggish now to work with
Contrast between borders, banners, and text is a lot lower and makes it harder to read
Loss of usable viewing space do to wider banners, borders, and ads
Emails open in a new "tab" within the page (not a new browser tab, but more like a page within a page, and I think is part of the sluggishness)
Backspace key now deletes an email instead of going, you know, BACK, like how the rest of the web works. Found this out the hard way and really ticked me off.

I'm sure there are more that I've forgoten by now. Seems like these web based programs are being designed to be more flashy and eye catching, instead of usable and user friendly with only minor bug fixes. Even the bug fixes either don't seem to work a lot of the time, or were replaced by new bugs. Am I the only one noticing this?

As a side note, I don't buy much in the way of large CD/DVD based software any more. But in the past, it did seem like that kind of software was more stable and updates really were updates that made things better.
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Re: Is technology moving backwards?
« Reply #1 on: April 15, 2011, 03:08:47 pm »
Just because programs/apps are slowing down doesn't mean technology is going backwards. It's more likely they've been optimised to run on a very finite system and it slows down on anything else. I'm using Opera 11 and I'm having endless problems with websites (Yahoo mail being one of them as it happens) because they have compatibility issues with Opera.

Most likely is it's the code behind the program/app. This could be either the programmer was on a time constraint and therefore didn't have time to optimise for the majority or the programmer was lazy in their coding and made a program/app that only works on 1 or 2 browsers.

On the flip side there are a lot of different browsers out there and even if you focus on the main 5 or so they all work in very different ways and don't support them same things. So it can take some time to get 1 thing working on them all in an acceptable way.
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Re: Is technology moving backwards?
« Reply #2 on: April 15, 2011, 03:21:04 pm »
I can understand it taking time to optimize something, but don't push on us it out until it's ready. Sure you need to get lots of real world input, but that's what beta's are for. They're supposed to be optional for people to test, not the requirement for usage. And that still doesn't explain why apps are undergoing complete redesigns when simple bug fixes would have been all they needed. The biggest culprit of this was the Weather Channel Android app.

I dunno, maybe that's the difference between generations of people. Older people want programers to just keep it simple, quick, and easy to use. The young crowd wants it to be flashy and "cool", with functionality coming in second?
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Re: Is technology moving backwards?
« Reply #3 on: April 15, 2011, 05:24:04 pm »
Is technology moving backwards? Not necessarily. Another reason apps and other stuff might not work, etc. is that the companies creating the stuff could be sneakily purposely making things this way so that they can get the consumer to shell out the $$$$ to buy the next improvement or greatest item, etc. IMO, It all comes down to money.  :P
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Re: Is technology moving backwards?
« Reply #4 on: April 16, 2011, 09:52:14 pm »
The young crowd wants it to be flashy and "cool", with functionality coming in second?
It would explain the entire mac trend I have noted amount classmates the last few years. :P (in fact a friend who owns a mac said that was the ONLY reason he got it. he even outright admitted functionality-wise it left a lot to be desired.)
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Re: Is technology moving backwards?
« Reply #5 on: April 17, 2011, 12:18:19 am »
People are demanding fancy interfaces and tons of new addons to programs. The companies and others* are trying hard to keep up with these demands and in the process these programs lose functionality and become less user friendly.




*others - As in indie programs and what may not be consider a company.
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Re: Is technology moving backwards?
« Reply #6 on: April 17, 2011, 01:17:15 am »
I haven't noticed. Then again, I use Linux. 8)
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Re: Is technology moving backwards?
« Reply #7 on: April 18, 2011, 02:57:51 am »
The programs you are taking notice of are on the app store, i guess...
The thing is, anybody can sell any (well, almost any) software on an app store...
There are a lot of very well-done apps, but there are also a lot of apps made by people who just read the "Kid makes thousands of dollars with iJunk" and want to make a quick buck...
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Now, the market is more accessible; it values quantity over quality
I personally dislike filtering through all the iJunk, iShoot, iBeer, iMadeThisInFiveMinutes...etc

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Re: Is technology moving backwards?
« Reply #8 on: April 19, 2011, 02:19:48 am »
In general I'd say no. But you mention Yahoo mail, and there I completely agree. I absolutely hate all the crap they've added to that. So I use Yahoo Mail Classic. I'm reluctant to go to a different email mostly 'cause it's a pain to reroute anything that needs rerouted. However, if they ever decide to drop classic, then I'll be forced to. Seriously, how hard is it to understand that an email service should just do email and do it well?

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Re: Is technology moving backwards?
« Reply #9 on: April 19, 2011, 02:29:26 am »
Well start looking Var. I got an email from yahoo the other day saying classic is going bye bye in the next few months and everyone is being forced to the new Beta version. That was the final straw that lead me to create this thread, actually. I went ahead and bit the bullet, but I was thinking of something else too and agree re-routing everything would be a pain. I've had this email going on 10 years at least. >.<

Mylo, it's even been the well known stuff that I'm talking about, app or not. Not only Yahoo. From the Android market, it's been things like the official Weather Channel and Face Book apps (judging by the reviews anyway, I don't use the FB app) that are getting worse I think. And you know those companies aren't just using some kid in a basement to throw together some cheap app. Well, at least I used to not think that.... :P
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Re: Is technology moving backwards?
« Reply #10 on: April 24, 2011, 11:35:47 am »
I haven't noticed. Then again, I use Linux. 8)

So you're used to it then?

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Re: Is technology moving backwards?
« Reply #11 on: April 25, 2011, 02:30:41 am »
I haven't noticed. Then again, I use Linux. 8)

So you're used to it then?

Linux may not be the most user-friendly OS around (although it's better than it used to be), but at least it actually works properly, so that makes up for it.
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Re: Is technology moving backwards?
« Reply #12 on: April 27, 2011, 11:33:30 am »
It's kind of a matter of people wanting to use technologies simply because they exist and for no other reason.

It's like Ajax. (good example because it's been around for some time now)  When Ajax first started getting popular on the web,  we saw a ridiculous about of overuse... People trying to cram the technology where it didn't belong in the dire hope that it would somehow make their website relevant or edgy.

You have to admit,  though,  Google's use of it was pretty cool.  So,  step forward in technology?  Yeah.  Did every use it properly?  LOL!  No.  >..>


Tech is moving forward.   Yahoo mail beta sucks...  but then again,  why are you still using yahoo mail?  Google's UI is really minimalistic by comparison while offering arguably better features.

Yahoo mail doesn't allow for forwarding without paying for it but it does allow for a free use of the,  "Out of office," feature which will send an email to anyone who emails you with a customized message in it.   Set yourself as out of office for the next 10 years,  and leave a message including your new email address.

Then,  continue to check your mailbox for a while anyways.
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Re: Is technology moving backwards?
« Reply #13 on: April 27, 2011, 11:54:37 am »
Ajax, like the cleaning powder? How do you use that on a web site? Lol :D
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Re: Is technology moving backwards?
« Reply #14 on: April 27, 2011, 08:22:09 pm »
Ajax, like the cleaning powder? How do you use that on a web site? Lol :D

No, Ajax like Asynchronous JavaScript and XML... although a lot of websites could do with a good cleaning! :D
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Re: Is technology moving backwards?
« Reply #15 on: May 03, 2011, 02:38:41 am »
No, Ajax like Asynchronous JavaScript and XML... although a lot of websites could do with a good cleaning! :D

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Re: Is technology moving backwards?
« Reply #16 on: May 04, 2011, 08:08:04 pm »
you mean those super-corny, busy-background, random gif-overloaded, stock html borders, times-new-roman using monstrosities?
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Re: Is technology moving backwards?
« Reply #17 on: May 04, 2011, 08:31:57 pm »
you mean those super-corny, busy-background, random gif-overloaded, stock html borders, times-new-roman using monstrosities?

Here's Homestar Runner making fun of those :)

http://www.homestarrunner.com/sbsite/

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Re: Is technology moving backwards?
« Reply #18 on: May 04, 2011, 09:08:28 pm »
you mean those super-corny, busy-background, random gif-overloaded, stock html borders, times-new-roman using monstrosities?

Here's Homestar Runner making fun of those :)

http://www.homestarrunner.com/sbsite/

:o Wow. <font face="Arial"> The worst atrocity in the history of HTML. <font> isn't even a valid HTML tag anymore, because nobody could use it right (although, nobody can use CSS right either, so I'm not sure what's been gained). "face" is not and was never a valid attribute of the font tag (W3C evidently realised the dangers of Comic Sans MS, and tried to prevent it). And "Arial" isn't even a valid value of the (invalid) face attribute, which must specify a valid font family (Serif, Sans-Serif, Monospace, Cursive, or Fantasy). Since "Serif" is the default font family, this site actually shows up in Times if Arial is not installed, which is probably not what was intended.</rant> I'm just glad most browsers are finally starting to support HTML 4, so hopefully web designers will get the message...
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Re: Is technology moving backwards?
« Reply #19 on: May 05, 2011, 04:30:30 am »
nobody can use CSS right either

I'm not sure i believe in the concept of using CSS wrong.  CSS expects you to use it for things it wasn't designed for.  It's epic like that.  If you're refering to inter-browser compatibility issues,  I'd say that's still in the HTML.  =3

Also,  shim,  i've seen far worse that were supposed to be serious...  I'm talking lime green background with hot pink text and a polkadoted theme.
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« Reply #20 on: May 05, 2011, 09:58:32 pm »
nobody can use CSS right either

I'm not sure i believe in the concept of using CSS wrong.  CSS expects you to use it for things it wasn't designed for.  It's epic like that.  If you're refering to inter-browser compatibility issues,  I'd say that's still in the HTML.  =3

You won't believe how many times I've had to turn off CSS because someone thought that if you set a background image, you don't need to set the background colour, resulting in white text on a white background if the background image fails to load. (Of course, you can do the same thing in HTML, but this seems more common in CSS) Also: absolute measurements. I thought the web was supposed to be device independent. Apparently the people behind CSS thought differently. >:(
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Re: Is technology moving backwards?
« Reply #21 on: May 05, 2011, 11:44:07 pm »
Also: absolute measurements. I thought the web was supposed to be device independent. Apparently the people behind CSS thought differently. >:(


With a raster graphic heavy website you sometimes need to have absolute measurements.  You just have to scale them for more common monitor sizes,  about 950px width is generally the safest bet.

But the beauty of CSS is that you can link multiple style sheets for multiple use-cases.  Have one for standard web,  one for IE,  one for mobile,  One for the old 800x600 monsters,  one for people who think it's a good idea to have a monitor the size of a small TV...
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« Reply #22 on: May 06, 2011, 12:09:09 am »
Also: absolute measurements. I thought the web was supposed to be device independent. Apparently the people behind CSS thought differently. >:(


With a raster graphic heavy website you sometimes need to have absolute measurements.  You just have to scale them for more common monitor sizes,  about 950px width is generally the safest bet.

What are you talking about? Pixels are relative, not absolute. Absolute measurements in CSS are things like points, picas, and inches, none of which have any place on the web.
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Re: Is technology moving backwards?
« Reply #23 on: May 06, 2011, 01:29:43 am »
ugh, 72 px/in >.<
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Re: Is technology moving backwards?
« Reply #24 on: May 06, 2011, 09:28:21 pm »
Also: absolute measurements. I thought the web was supposed to be device independent. Apparently the people behind CSS thought differently. >:(


With a raster graphic heavy website you sometimes need to have absolute measurements.  You just have to scale them for more common monitor sizes,  about 950px width is generally the safest bet.

What are you talking about? Pixels are relative, not absolute. Absolute measurements in CSS are things like points, picas, and inches, none of which have any place on the web.


I was thinking about absolute positioning and static layouts.  You're right.  ^^