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Offline Ziel

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We all do dumb things...
« on: July 10, 2011, 02:27:57 pm »
I'm currently in the process of a new build. The last of the parts will be getting here tomorrow or Tuesday. However, I have already gotten a few things installed in the case at this point, just awaiting the mobo/cpu and a few other odds and ends.

I decided to do some file maintenance before I go and migrate to the new machine. I'll be leaving my current storage hard drive in this computer as a main drive, and moving my bootup drive (SSD) into the new comp. I just know I had a bunch of redundant files on that storage drive, so I figured I'd organize it some before needing to transfer all those to the new storage drive I got for the new machine.

Well, I kinda messed up in the process. I may or may not have deleted all of my documents and cleared my recycle bin before realizing what I had done. In my defense, the folder I was apparently using had 'Backup' in the folder name... I was just a bit overzealous in my cleaning stuff up...

Fortunately, I have my music all backed up on an external device, so I'm working on transferring all that back now.

But pictures... those are mostly gone at this point. I do have my old hard drive which should have an archive on it from about a year ago at this point (which should include a good majority of my photos). However, every time I connect that drive, my computer refuses to boot (even if I force it to boot off my SSD). And if I connect it once the computer is started up, it just freezes instantly upon trying to scan the drive. There's a reason I replaced that drive with the SSD last year...

So... I was just kinda leaving this here, mostly to mock myself and hope we can all have a good facepalm over this together. Also, if anybody has any great ideas on how to recover that data, or possibly the dying hard drive, I'll be willing to try some stuff out. As it is, I'm already researching some tools for file recovery. Though I'm not sure how much I'll find in the 'free' price range.

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Re: We all do dumb things...
« Reply #1 on: July 10, 2011, 05:08:45 pm »
Double-post for an update (because edits tend to not be noticed/read...)

I managed to recover nearly everything that I needed. Got back most of my documents, and all of my pictures. The pictures are what I was most concerned with, really. So given the circumstances, I couldn't be more happy right now.

Here's what I used to get the stuff back:
http://www.piriform.com/recuva
Worked like a charm. I started off trying a different program, which would have worked, too. But I would have had to select and recover single files at a time. When I've got some 3-4000 pictures to restore, I'm not going to take the time to do all that. This program let me restore multiple things at once.

This isn't quite what I had in mind for my afternoon, but at least I got my stuff back.

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Re: We all do dumb things...
« Reply #2 on: July 10, 2011, 07:03:52 pm »
Glad to hear you got your data back. As for your other hard drive that doesn't work, what kind of hard drive is it?I assume it's either a USB or SATA drive (if it's not, plugging it in while your computer was running was probably a Bad Idea); if it's SATA, what does the POST message say about it? If it's USB, try plugging it into a different port and see if that works. It does seem wierd that your computer doesn't work at all while the drive's plugged in (unless you fried your motherboard hotplugging something you shouldn't have...)
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Re: We all do dumb things...
« Reply #3 on: July 10, 2011, 10:30:55 pm »
Well, considering that I can still use the computer to post here, I definitely haven't fried anything :P

But yeah, it's a SATA drive, 6 years old now. Like I said, there's a reason that I replaced it last summer with the SSD. Back then, it was being very flaky. Computer wouldn't boot up on occasion. And then other times it was making a rather unnerving clicking sound. That's when I decided to back up all my data to my second drive (to the folder I accidentally deleted today...), and then completely replace the dying drive.

I guess I'll just count that drive as a loss at this point. Though it may be several more years before I reach the point where I break down and harvest the magnets from it. You know, just in case :P

I've actually connected an IDE HDD with the computer running and had no problems. I've even removed an optical drive with it running before and it didn't flinch. Granted, I was welcomed by a nice blue screen when I plugged the drive back in >.>

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Re: We all do dumb things...
« Reply #4 on: July 10, 2011, 11:00:02 pm »
What does the POST message say?
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Re: We all do dumb things...
« Reply #5 on: July 11, 2011, 11:23:23 am »
I've actually connected an IDE HDD with the computer running and had no problems. I've even removed an optical drive with it running before and it didn't flinch. Granted, I was welcomed by a nice blue screen when I plugged the drive back in >.>
Just because your computer didn’t crash, when you first connected the drive, doesn’t mean that there wasn’t any problems.
Unless you have an IDE controller that specifically has hot swap capability. (odds are that you don‘t.)
You should never ever mess with internal components and wires, while it‘s running. :P

Computer wouldn't boot up on occasion. And then other times it was making a rather unnerving clicking sound. That's when I decided to back up all my data to my second drive (to the folder I accidentally deleted today...), and then completely replace the dying drive.
I know the clicking sound your talking about, the drive is most likely toast.
There is and old trick I used to do, and that was to connect the drive to a different IDE controller,
The way I used to do it was to simply connect the drive to a different computer with a different brand / make of motherboard.
The drive is still bad, but different IDE controllers can boot up / spin up drives just a little bit differently,
And sometimes I could get a bad, or even dead drive to boot so I could pull the data without having to swap the platter.
Keep in mind that I used to do this with ATA drives, I don’t know if it will work with a SATA.

I also noticed that you mentioned that you replaced the drive with a SSD, (I assume that means, solid state drive,)
Is there any chance that you’re using the same PSU all this time, (as in always used to power the bad drive.)
It’s slim, but possible that the PSU is messing up the drive, or a little of both, (not so good PSU + not so good drive = headache.)
Since SSD’s draw a lot less current, it’s possible that a bad PSU can go unnoticed,
You could try connecting the drive to a different power rail, or better yet a different PSU.
Of course if you have other drives, devices, etc. drawing from the PSU with no problem, then it’s most likely just the drive.

There’s always a slight danger in connecting bad or damaged equipment to a computer,
It’s unlikely that the drive will harm anything else, but there’s nothing that says that it can’t, same goes for the PSU if it‘s not up to par.
So be careful about what you connect to good equipment.

And if there is still any data that you need that is very important, (i.e. pictures of lost loved ones etc.) from the bad drive.

…I can walk you thru a platter swap, but since you most likely don’t have the tools and equipment,
You will need a functional drive of the same make, model, cluster size, and number of platters in order to do a swap.
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Re: We all do dumb things...
« Reply #6 on: July 11, 2011, 09:30:58 pm »
What does the POST message say?

I haven't bothered looking into it any further. Thanks to finding the recovery tool, I have all the data back that would be on that drive. And more, considering that it wouldn't have any files created in the last year on it.


@Storm Fox: Long post is long, so to save space, I won't quote it. But to respond to a handful of things:

Like I said in small print, I have actually hotplugged hard drives in on several occasions before and had no damage to either the drive or my computer. Both SATA and ATA. Granted, it wouldn't be a real loss if I did fry something in my current computer, seeing as how it'll be my backup as of tomorrow, assuming I don't get any DOA parts. But it's not like I make a habit out of it. It's just something I'll try in cases like this, where my computer decides to override everything I tell it to, and constantly attempt to boot off the bad drive.

As for trying a different computer, see above response to Foxpup

I won't claim that this PSU is good by any stretch. It's a stock PSU from a store-bought HP. 300W, 19A on the lone +12V rail. However, I've not had any issues with the PSU at all. Even after 'upgrading' my graphics card from a Radeon X300 to a GT220, I've had no problems. Note that the 220 is about as good as I can put in this thing, not just because of the low power, but also because there are no 6-pin PCI-E power connectors on this PSU.

Finally, on the platter-swapping, I don't think it would be too extremely difficult, given that I could find the proper tools and a working identical drive. And the patience. But again, no major loss on that drive. I haven't even had it connected for a year, and haven't once come across something I need off of it, since I backed up all the important stuff to my current data drive back when I made the switch.

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Re: We all do dumb things...
« Reply #7 on: July 12, 2011, 12:30:10 am »
In the future, when saving off stuff from another drive so you don't lose it, maybe "backup" isn't the best thing to call it. You could use "archive". Myself, I use "vault" for that purpose.

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Re: We all do dumb things...
« Reply #8 on: July 12, 2011, 08:25:13 pm »
In the future, when saving off stuff from another drive so you don't lose it, maybe "backup" isn't the best thing to call it. You could use "archive". Myself, I use "vault" for that purpose.

To be honest, any of those would invoke a sense of 'spare' or 'extra' in my mind. Not really 'This is your active documents directory: do not delete'.

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Re: We all do dumb things...
« Reply #9 on: July 13, 2011, 01:55:19 pm »
To be honest, any of those would invoke a sense of 'spare' or 'extra' in my mind. Not really 'This is your active documents directory: do not delete'.

You seem to have unknowingly solved your own problem,

Why not literally use "do not delete" as in [Backup (DO NOT DELETE)] or [My Docs (DO NOT DELETE)].

We've come a long way since DOS, there's nothing wrong with using more than 8 characters now. ;)
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Re: We all do dumb things...
« Reply #10 on: July 14, 2011, 10:52:59 pm »
To be honest, any of those would invoke a sense of 'spare' or 'extra' in my mind. Not really 'This is your active documents directory: do not delete'.

You seem to have unknowingly solved your own problem,

Why not literally use "do not delete" as in [Backup (DO NOT DELETE)] or [My Docs (DO NOT DELETE)].

We've come a long way since DOS, there's nothing wrong with using more than 8 characters now. ;)


This is very true.

Yet it's a moot point now. What's done has been done (and fixed). And now I've got the new computer put together and running. The file structure is completely changed now, since I had to re-organize everything after the recover anyhow. I just went with the standard 'Documents' 'Music' etc.

Actually, the fact that I accidentally did this once makes it highly unlikely that it will ever happen again. I tend to learn quickly from mistakes. And heck, now I'll probably be super-paranoid before deleting anything for the next few years.

Also, I want to make it clear that when that backup file was created, it was truly for backup purposes. Back then, i was keeping all my documents and stuff on my main hard drive. And would just periodically run a backup of all my important stuff, and save it to my secondary storage drive.

Well, when my main drive started flaking out on me, and I replaced it with the SSD, that backup file just became the new location where I was pointing the 'My Documents' directory to, since I didn't want to actually be storing anything on the SSD (using it strictly for OS and applications).

So the fault wasn't in naming the file wrong. If anything, it was more the fact that I never bothered to change that base file's name when I changed my storage approach. That, and a super-momentary lapse of judgment caused by overzealous cleaning of my storage drive.

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