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would you like furtopia to have a custom user respect ranking system?

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« on: March 17, 2009, 03:11:32 am »
I've posted an idea in the suggestion box for a respect ranking system for furtopia and i would like to know how many people would prefer it to the usually forum thing of looking at post count(even if you don't mean to do it, every does)


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Re: respect ranking system
« Reply #1 on: March 17, 2009, 08:03:32 am »
I wouldnt be a fan of it.  You have members here who may have over 10 thousand posts, and nearly all of them came from playing word games.  Sure, they've said alot, but little to none of it is quality writing or meaningful conversation.

I mean sure, you could make it voluntary, but how long would it be before a "respect the person above you" thread came a long in the word games thread where people click each others respect points into the stratoshphere?

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Re: respect ranking system
« Reply #2 on: March 17, 2009, 08:46:19 am »
The respect option could be disabled in certain sections of the forum  ;)


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Re: respect ranking system
« Reply #3 on: March 17, 2009, 12:38:20 pm »
It seems interesting enough. Maybe we should do a trial run lasting a few months? Then after that the higher staff members could decide whether or not to keep it.
EDIT: I just thought of something, would this system even be available on the type of forum Furtopia uses?
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Re: respect ranking system
« Reply #4 on: March 17, 2009, 01:30:34 pm »
I wouldnt be a fan of it.  You have members here who may have over 10 thousand posts, and nearly all of them came from playing word games.  Sure, they've said alot, but little to none of it is quality writing or meaningful conversation.

I mean sure, you could make it voluntary, but how long would it be before a "respect the person above you" thread came a long in the word games thread where people click each others respect points into the stratoshphere?

well a thread like that could only be seen as absolute spam and be closed and have the one who made it be warned if not "punnished" (have his rank be dropped down a whole lot)

I could see something like that happening on other larger forums but i don't see them members here doing that sort of thing anyways, I have what you could call faith in the character of the members here. :)

Plus im one of the people who has a post count much higher than it should from me participating in the word games, and the more I think about it the more I dislike my super high post count and would greatly prefer this style of karma forum respect.

I'd be more than willing to give up my post count for this system.

It seems interesting enough. Maybe we should do a trial run lasting a few months? Then after that the higher staff members could decide whether or not to keep it.
EDIT: I just thought of something, would this system even be available on the type of forum Furtopia uses?
It seems interesting enough. Maybe we should do a trial run lasting a few months? Then after that the higher staff members could decide whether or not to keep it.
EDIT: I just thought of something, would this system even be available on the type of forum Furtopia uses?


I'm loving the sound of a small trial run, just to test it out and hay if everybody likes it we could work the kinks out and make it perfect.

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Re: respect ranking system
« Reply #5 on: March 17, 2009, 02:21:39 pm »
eh.  I don't know.   I'm kind of in agreement with RedneckFur here.  =\


Edit:  also... even though it might be a good way of showing the differance between the quality of posts....  i don't think i see a point to it anyways...   x_x
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Re: respect ranking system
« Reply #6 on: March 17, 2009, 07:53:25 pm »
What's the point? Just seems like more clutter on the boards and on the spot where our avatars are.

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Re: respect ranking system
« Reply #7 on: March 17, 2009, 07:55:15 pm »
The current system, though based on posts, gives five stars to members once they've reached a certain level. Given that it's not hard to reach that level even without word games and such, I don't really see the need for a ranking tally system beyond what is already in place.

However, I could see some use in a "thumbs up" to say you like a particular post. Then again...  if someone really likes it, they could post to say so. The only reason I see it being useful is for the creative sections (by which I mean artwork, writing, and so forth) as an easy way for someone to say "hey, I like this" since people don't seem to do that enough.  But then again, that might encourage people -not- to post about it and instead just give it a thumbs up when they otherwise might said more (and for artwork and such, feedback is very valuable).  So... the more I think about it, I don't think I like it for that either.

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Re: respect ranking system
« Reply #8 on: March 17, 2009, 07:59:07 pm »
No offense to anyone here, but I've always believed that if someone wanted respect, they had to earn it.......the old fashioned way, by being civil and respectable to others and just being nice and a good friend, etc. This is the way I was brought up and what my parents taught me.

Sorry, but I don't believe respect should be rewarded with points, karma, or whatever. If we did that, it might make it seem like a contest to some to see who is more respectable than who, or who has more karma than another.
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Re: respect ranking system
« Reply #9 on: March 17, 2009, 08:10:01 pm »
Another thought:  if these "respect points" were given through making good posts, in some ways you end up it being very similar to the post count anyway. That is, if two members are both civil and respectful and make good posts and one of them posts several times a day while the other only gets on like once or twice a week, the more active member would end up with more "respect points" despite the fact that the less active poster is just as deserving or possibly more deserving of it.

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Here's another idea: would it be possible to make the posts made in sections such as "word games" not count towards a member's post count?
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Re: respect ranking system
« Reply #10 on: March 17, 2009, 08:20:32 pm »
Ive seen similar systems in use on other forums, not entirely sure how they all work but one on a automotive forum I use regularly is a point system for traders, but its not really applicable on here (works kinda like stars on ebay).

It sounds like a good idea and could work but could have its own problems as it could be open to abuse in some way depending on how its set up, IE friends putting each others scores up and the like

There is also a chance it could cause flaming/bad blood between members if they thought they were being overlooked for whatever reason (not that I'm saying it would happen here as furtopia isn't generally like that :) )

Plus it might make more work for the mods/admin

I know what your saying though as on a lot of forums, high post count= respect even if 90% of your posts consist of "yeah i agree" or what have you even if you've only been registered for 5 minutes, doesn't seem to be like that on here though (plus you don't get any post count from word games on here now).



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Re: respect ranking system
« Reply #11 on: March 17, 2009, 08:22:29 pm »

Here's another idea: would it be possible to make the posts made in sections such as "word games" not count towards a member's post count?

they haven't counted since the 10th of jan  :)
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Re: respect ranking system
« Reply #12 on: March 17, 2009, 08:45:14 pm »
A post count of any kind does not dictate who is better than who, or who is more respectable than another. It's just a forum feature. Nothing more and nothing less. If I like/respect a person, then it is based on how well they get along with me as well as the other members and vice versa, and how they obey the rules, and how they post and converse with other members on the forums. Respect is not rewarded and it is not given. It is EARNED by how well you get along with others and how you present yourself on the forums.......and in real life. ;) I don't look at any type of post or Karma system to see if I like/respect you.

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Re: respect ranking system
« Reply #13 on: March 17, 2009, 08:58:25 pm »
A post count of any kind does not dictate who is better than who, or who is more respectable than another. It's just a forum feature. Nothing more and nothing less. If I like/respect a person, then it is based on how well they get along with me as well as the other members and vice versa, and how they obey the rules, and how they post and converse with other members on the forums. Respect is not rewarded and it is not given. It is EARNED by how well you get along with others and how you present yourself on the forums.......and in real life. ;) I don't look at any type of post or Karma system to see if I like/respect you.

I know that respect SHOULD be gained the right way, it's just that almost no matter who you are, it's that when you see 2 people you don't know talking about something you don't know much about you will almost always think the person with the higher post count is right.

This is what i'm trying to change. I'm not entirely sure how to do it, it's just i wanna change the current system.

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Re: respect ranking system
« Reply #14 on: March 17, 2009, 09:27:07 pm »
No offense to anyone here, but I've always believed that if someone wanted respect, they had to earn it.......the old fashioned way, by being civil and respectable to others and just being nice and a good friend, etc. This is the way I was brought up and what my parents taught me.

Sorry, but I don't believe respect should be rewarded with points, karma, or whatever. If we did that, it might make it seem like a contest to some to see who is more respectable than who, or who has more karma than another.


I agree.

On other boards I sometimes frequent, I have seen people be given lots of negative karma for having a differing opinion from the majority of users on that board.  While I like to think that we at Furtopia are more mature then that, I still believe it is a system that is open for abuse. 

I know that respect SHOULD be gained the right way, it's just that almost no matter who you are, it's that when you see 2 people you don't know talking about something you don't know much about you will almost always think the person with the higher post count is right.

This is what i'm trying to change. I'm not entirely sure how to do it, it's just i wanna change the current system.

I have to disagree with you on this Hayaikawa.  I've never looked at post count as meaning much.  If you feel a need for a seniority system, perhaps simply displaying a member's join date would work
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Re: respect ranking system
« Reply #15 on: March 17, 2009, 09:31:27 pm »
I have a better idea! We should implement a Furtopia karma system that's based on the species of the fur doing the posting! Rabbits will of course be at the top of the list, followed by--

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But seriously now. ^_^ I'm not sure what I think of this, personally; it could be interesting, but I don't see a real need for a respect system on the forums. It works well if you're on, say, a software help forum or something where the reputation of the person giving you advice matters. But here, we want to welcome everyone, and we don't want to privilege old members over newbies or anything like that. And as Furlong pointed out, it's a system that could be open to abuse. Can you imagine how much karma you could lose just by daring to post in a politics thread?

I don't think post count serves as a marker of respect for most people on this forum, either. It's really just a number. I judge people by their posting history, not their post count; if a newbie comes in and makes just one intro post and it's really interesting, I'll be more inclined to respect them than someone with 1000 ten-word posts. The only exception is for people with awesome avatars; if someone has an awesome avatar, they automatically get +10 karma points. :D

Then again, we don't even know if the Furtopia code supports a thumbs up-thumbs down feature. If it doesn't, this debate will have been for naught! ;)

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Re: respect ranking system
« Reply #16 on: March 17, 2009, 09:48:22 pm »
BTW, about post counts in the Word Games forum:
http://forums.furtopia.org/index.php/topic,34819.0.html
Well, I don't really see what the problem is then.

I know that respect SHOULD be gained the right way, it's just that almost no matter who you are, it's that when you see 2 people you don't know talking about something you don't know much about you will almost always think the person with the higher post count is right.
I don't make that assumption.  To be honest, I usually don't pay much attention to post count.

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Re: respect ranking system
« Reply #17 on: March 17, 2009, 09:53:21 pm »
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I have a better idea! We should implement a Furtopia karma system that's based on the species of the fur doing the posting! Rabbits will of course be at the top of the list, followed by--

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« Reply #18 on: March 17, 2009, 09:56:28 pm »
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I have a better idea! We should implement a Furtopia karma system that's based on the species of the fur doing the posting! Rabbits will of course be at the top of the list, followed by--

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Booooooooooooooo!!!! *throws more rotten carrots*  >:(

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Re: respect ranking system
« Reply #19 on: March 17, 2009, 11:26:00 pm »
As nice as a Respect/Karma system might be, during all the time that I've been on Furtopia (5+ years), the "system" that Furtopia has always gone by is "treat others as you yourself would like to be treated" so to speak.
Granted, not everyone will get along and there will be differences of opinions, but we've pretty much stood the test of time so to speak with what we currently have. Is a Respect/Karma system all bad? I don't know as I have no experience with such a system. Maybe in the future Furtopia might have such a system. Who knows? *shrugs shoulders*
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Re: respect ranking system
« Reply #20 on: March 17, 2009, 11:35:34 pm »
Kobuk has made some very good points on this matter. I still think it would be interesting to see, but it WOULD indeed be kinda pointless and only really reaffirm the basic rule of 'Treat others how you wish to be treated'.

Also, I'm surprised it hasn't been brought up yet, but being called on to join the staff is a show of respect in and of itself. I kinda felt like a backgrounder till I was offered the job of Watcher, that alone made me feel respected by the staff, sure Watcher isn't a big position but even so.

The point was also raised that if you like a persons posts you could just post saying so, why not just send a PM? I've had a few furs send me PM saying they liked a particular post of mine and it made me feel respected.

I like the idea, but on furthur examination, there really isn't much use for it IMO.
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« Reply #21 on: March 18, 2009, 09:56:36 am »
Meh, I'm indifferent on the idea as it relates to Furtopia. I'd like it if it were implemented, but it's not something I'd have suggested.

On another forum I frequent, their karma system is set up based on anonymous up/down voting (not even an option to say why you voted one way or the other and had to make a public post or PM if you wanted it known) and you're limited as to how often you can vote. I think it's either you can't vote for the same person twice in a row or within a certain time period, so you have to really think if you want to make that vote or not. Also, their karma is not really based just on respect, but just making an awesome or witty post can earn you votes. I.E. I'd vote up Arbutus' ranking idea, so long as foxes are given top billing in the preditor catigory. (:
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Re: respect ranking system
« Reply #22 on: March 18, 2009, 06:50:59 pm »
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If you haven't yet voted in the poll up above re: a respect system, could you please take a second to do so? Some of the mods want to get a better sense of where  members stand on this. Thanks. ^_^

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Re: respect ranking system
« Reply #23 on: March 18, 2009, 07:34:12 pm »
I disagree with a respect-point system, because it probably wouldn't do anything. People could just spam their friends respect points, and it would just become meaningless. Post counts are a good measure of activity, but I rarely give someone more respect based off of that.
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« Reply #24 on: March 18, 2009, 07:55:32 pm »
After looking around, SMF does have a Karma system, though it was never implemented when Furtopia switched to SMF forums back in Feb. last year. Perhaps that was a decision made by WS and he thought it wasn't a necessary feature to have. I have no idea. *shrugs shoulders*

Part of a description about Karma that SMF gives is the following:

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Karma is a feature that shows the popularity of a member. Members, if allowed, can 'applaud' or 'smite' other members, which is how their popularity is calculated.

I hate to have to say this, but I hate popularity.  >:( Trying to gain popularity through points, karma, favoritism, etc. is not going to get a member any respect from me. I've already mentioned everything I needed to say about respect in my posts further above in this thread.
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